I've had my older version P-64 for about 15 years and I really like it. It has never jammed, misfed, or misfired. For such a small pistol, it is quite accurate out to 15 meters or so. It does have a stiff action and trigger, and the magazine capacity is low. Otherwise, it makes a great backup pistol!
Did the Wolff springs set and polished the feed ramp and VOILA. I do use this as my primary carry, and it's not hard to train well with it's manual safety lever. To each their own, but mine is perfect for the task. Feed ramp polishing has made it an omnivore in the ammo department, and eats Hornady Critical Defense rounds easily and without issue. Got mine for $250 cash out the door with 2 additional (3 total) mags. One of my favorite pawn shop buys! It was also made in 1971.
I'm so glad I bought thebwolfsprings I was ready to sell mine untill today. The spring I had was almost a 3rd shorter than the replacement, and the recoil was so bad it I could only fire 1 or 2 shots and be done. My hand web would be cut up and bleeding and hurt from the massive recoil like taking a baseball bat and hitting a 90mph fast ball barehanded. Now with 22lb spring in its about the same as a compact 9mm, very shootable. Still snappy but perfectly ok.
The gun does not suck! I've cycled over 1000rds thru mine and have never had a misfire no matter what ammo I've used. Ergonomics are just fine to me. I have no trouble whatsoever using the safety. I have to say it's one of the most accurate guns of that size I've ever shot. At 15yrds, I can do 4" groups consistently. The gun was made to shoot the ammo for that period, so it functions as designed. You should have been aware of that when you bought it. Seems to me you are trying hard to find something that you dont like. As far as the marks around the chamber, mine doesn't have any. It's nice to know you are ridding yourself of the gun so it can maybe find someone who can appreciate the quality of this piece. You may not like it, but saying the gun sucks is a big reach.
Im a Polish arms collector, and this gun kinda sucks. Is it reliable? Yes. My P83, CZ82 FEG PA63, Makarovs are all much better guns. The P64 is an awesome piece of craftsmanship and history, but it is probably the worst commie block sidearm even fully adopted by any warsaw pact nation
@@detroitvseverybody3813 I can only respect what you said. I will say it's a tack driver and feeds any ammo that will fit in the mag. Yeah, love my cz82.
I feel like this gun will easily go 1000 rds without a jam. But I consider you lucky to make it that many without breaking a critical part. Mine will break the trigger return spring like clockwork before that many pulls. Also broke a firing pin, but that was while dryfiring. If the trigger return spring breaks, the gun won't fire even if you pull it forward, manually. The spring also pushes the trigger bar up. So if the spring breaks, the trigger won't contact the sear.
I got the p365 and ditched my full sized handguns instead. I kept the p64. The gun is very accurate and I appreciate all the machine work and craftsmanship that went into producing it. I've heard these were costly to produce.
@@firydeth I didn't feel like the CZ82 was very accurate. I do better with just about every other 9x18 gun I've shot. I think even my db9 would come close.
I like design, high quality, accuracy. 6+1 in mag is totally enough, if not - it is reason to learn how to shoot and practice a lot. But it has RELIABILITY. Only P64 and Makarov never have a jam.
I love mine.I found the trigger pull got better after 200 rounds or so, but I could always pull it with one finger. My wife was able to do it too but it was difficult for her.
He's wrong. I have an older P64 and a newer P64. I have both types of feed lips on my magazines. They all work fine in both guns. I've carried these pistols for nine years and shot them extensively.
Congratulations to you, but my older P64 WOULD NOT FEED a single round using the long lipped magazine. I have heard others confirm this. Instead of calling me a liar, a better approach would be to say, "That's odd, my gun works with both. I wonder what the issue is that causes this malfunction."
I had the exact same mag problem as you. I did not know why it was and figured the mag was improperly made. I guess I was wrong about that. However, a few minutes with a dremmel toll fixed the mag problem. It's not very difficult to do at all.
Not true in all cases. I have an older version (1970) gun and the new and old magazines work just fine. The Wolf Springs (recoil and hammer spring) replacements make the gun satisfactory. No it will never be great, but it is okay. A Handall Jr. fits snuggly on the grip and tames most of the recoil. As a left-hander (and an owner of a CZ-82 as well that I carry as a truck-gun), it is appropriate to carry this in Condition 3 and acknowledge that the P64 is a BACK-UP GUN in the same calibre (9x18mm) as either your CZ-82 (in my case) or your Makarov, and not really a dedicated concealed carry gun (though I have used it as such [with the mods listed above] with 2 extra mags in the hidden pocket of a tactical shoulder bag).
Thank you for pointing out the magazine issue (old vs. new). Aftermarket mags are spendy. You just saved me from buying an older pistol with a newer mag. That would have been a long drive back from the range.
I disagree with just about everything you are saying. The gun fits my hand great. The serrations on the slide work or me. Just replace the hammer spring with a Wolff 18LB spring. The it and finish is great. I did get good info about the magazines for the old and new. I have the new made in 1973. So, according to you, I can buy an old or new magazine. Thanks for the video.
I had one of those. I ended up cutting a ring or two off that spring. It did as I expected, in that the trigger pull was super light. I don't recommend that. I was aware and always practiced proper trigger follow through, but my modification made it pretty easy to accidentally double tap if you didn't use perfect trigger control. The single action trigger pull was way too light. Like, look at it with intent and it would go off.
Well hell, NO! The P64 does not suck! I own one and carry one. You have to know the parameters and interworkings of the particular pistol you chose to carry.
I don’t own one of these, but I own a Makarov. And this gun looks like it’s hot dogshit. Also, my friend has one, and also complains about needing to be Brock Lesnar to get a double action pull.
@@TonyTheGoon You need to replace both the hammer spring and the slide spring to make this pistol a pleasure to shoot. Mine does! Look up replacing springs on the P64 to get where to purchase them and how to do it. It's not hard.
I have an early P-64 without wolf springs. I have to conclude the trigger pull is heavy, but I believe it's overblown as after the first shot, you're going to have a decent trigger pull afterwards. Secondly, I actually kinda like the sights. They're target sights, and if you carry over some of the knowledge of wwII and how handguns were treated. They were guns you point fired at close range, and if you had to use the sights, you were aiming long distances. That doesn't necessarily take away from the faults. But I always believe you should use guns from certain periods usually for what it's believed the intended design use was or what was the 'fashion' of the time. It helps put into perspective and may even aid you on how to enjoy the firearm a bit more. Of course, that doesn't fix the faults with it.
Well, the DA trigger pull is not overblown when you can't even pull the trigger to fire the gun without multiple fingers being used. Not all DA trigger pulls on these old guns are the same, and mine was utterly unusable.
I love how it looks, hate how it shoots. It smacks the crap out of your hand and is uncomfortable to shoot. Only gun with a worse trigger is a Nagant revolver. I've tried different wolff springs to make it tolerable but end up making the gun unreliable.
Can you use the decocker but lower the hammer gently as if not using a decocker? It's been years since I shot mine. Maybe I have the new style hammer. Anyway, the CZ 82 is much better for 9x18. Also the Makarov PM. Hard to beat the P365 on practicality these days though.
Replying to myself because I didn't have access to my P64s to test. Apparently I have an example of each. New style hammer is reasonable to decock this way, so that's probably why I remembered it. Old style is dubious, although lower stakes than decocking without a decocker. I also never actually carried one, favoring a KelTec for pocket carry.
Pretty neat gun. I bought one several years ago at a gun show. It is the older version but has what looks like the new magazine. I haven't fired it yet but I'll try it sometime soon. I have Silver Bear and Hornady Critical Defense ammo for it. I prefer carrying revolvers for protection on my person. But in my vehicle I could have anything from a shotgun to just about any semi-automatic pistol. Good video.
My tip is if you really like the way the gun looks and feels don't fire it. It's awful. Now idk how you had a gun several years and haven't fired it. But trust me I loved m p64 untill I shot it and now I'm gonna sell it
@@Mibit911 I've been shooting guns for half a century and have quite a collection so I just haven't gotten around to shooting my P64. What is awful about it?
@@dangunn6961 honestly just the way it fires. 9x18 in a straight blowback gun, with a small grip and high slide. It's worse than shooting 454 out of a plowhandle revolver. At least that slides in your hands. This just snaps back all into your wrist and leaves your hand web red or bloody. I have 91 guns, from 22 to 500 magnum and I have shot all of them, even the rare ones at least once or twice but this gun is not fun to shoot. I absolutely hate it now
@@dangunn6961 ok your saying you watched people shoot a gun. But you haven't shot it, I don't see how your experience is equivalent. Again I have 91 guns in my collection ranging from 22s to 500 s&w and 500 buachwacker and I would shoot those guns all day before shooting my p64. I have a snub nose birdhead 44 magnum that flips into the air when you fire in and that is quite comfortable compared to the p64. The p64 is the only gun I truly hate shooting. The only thing close to that feedback is my ruger alskan in 454 casull, but even the hogue grips absorb most of the shock. You got to understand the difference between locked breech and straight blowback. There's a reason that blowback guns are relegated to calibers 380 and under. So take a small pistol with a low grip shape, chambered in basically 380+p+ with no locked system to allow pressure to drop before the slide and barrel seperate, in a gun the side of a compact which you have 2 fingers to grab and has the recoil spring around the barrel, then take grips that are rough and burred because they split at the back of the gu n and a 24 lbs double action trigger pull and tell me what you think. The force of the p64 is so strong even with 3 different mags on the last round the force of the recoil rips the magazine out the bottom of the gun. Now my magazine catch and slide lock function normally, this just happens and I'm not the only one it's happened to. Go shoot just one bullet out of yours and it's a good chance it'll happen. 9x18 Makarov is the strongest caliber made in blowback Pistols outside of highpoint but those guns are huge. Then you have the smallest 9x18 Makarov pistol. It's really a nightmare I cannot explain to you unless you've shot one. Also my gun has all original springs in it no replacements.
I had the older version (rounded hammer). It also came with both mag types but both of mine worked. This must vary from gun to gun because I know you aren’t the only one that won’t run both mags.
Yeah, it's very strange. There used to be a P64 forum, but when I tried to figure out this issue and what was causing it, the guys running it took offense to my questions and shut the thread down. Weird.
P64 fits my smaller mits perfect. Gun is extremely accurate and slim. Well made. Now the downsides. Recoil is pretty bad. DA trigger pull is horrendous. And the round is pretty anemic with low capacity. I bought three of these when they were below $200. Had the safety break on the one I iwb carries at the time. So I had to use one as a parts gun after that.
Had (and carried) one of these as well, also back when they could be found for 200 or slightly less. Pretty much agree with the consensus, a bad design that’s made very well. Arguably the worst of the 9x18 pistols. It made sense back in the day.
This is (will be *was* in a few weeks) my first carry gun. Bought it several years back for like 280? After replacing the springs its slightly more serviceable but yeah still a POS (by todays standards). In the 70s and 80s hell yeah the poor man's PPK will deliver! But now, meh, for what it costs there's 2414142 better options out there. I consider it a nightmare to dis and reassemble and the slide requires a herculean effort to operate, and I'm a monster. My brother called it tug o war. He also couldn't double action till I replaced the spring. Pocket carry with this is dumb (I am dumb) because it weighs 24 oz (unloaded) or in pocket carry terms, about 75 tons. Its also been stovepiping on me as of late. Whatever. All that being said, I do love this POS, and I'm keeping it with my equally shitty and lovable Nagant revolver. Great video btw you nailed all the points. Also Makarov ammo is ridiculously expensive now compared to 9 or 380. Just get one of those.
Other than the trigger weight, I really wish the fire/safe was similar to other Makarovs where safe is up and down is fire. It doesnt make any sense to me. I wonder if you could 3d print and cast redesign it lol more trouble than its worth probably tho so up is safe and fire is down lol
I just bought one of these from Atlantic and it's a cool looking paper weight. Absolutely unusable as a CC weapon. The one I bought is in really good shape, but it is way too stiff in several ways to be relied upon. The safety is very difficult to operate even after soaking the gun in oil. The mag well is so tight, the mags are damn near impossible to take out. It came with 2 mags and it's the same with both. Not only does oil not help, but it makes the situation worse because you will inevitably apply too much oil making it slippery to hold onto. After watching multiple videos, I can see that my particular gun is much worse than most of the others I've seen. Due to the gun being in such good shape, I can only assume it came from the factory this way, and therefore was never able to be used, so it still looks new. Would not buy again.
No one who has shot a round through my P64 has fired a 2nd, also my safety broke after about 200 rounds and was almost cheaper to buy another one than the part. Wolf spring made the trigger decent.
I bought mine at a gunshow in really good condition only replacement part was grips and 2 mags for 250, and when I picked it up I loved the feel of the gun having come from pps and ppks which I love to shoot. But man I can not love this gun. Recently the grips cracked under the extreme recoil, it doesn't ever jam but it's hard to be accurate when I have to death grip the gun and end uo with a chewed up webafterworfs and my hand shaking and I regularly shoot 460 s&w and 500 bfr and have no problem with that kind of recoil. But this just is not good. I'm thinking of selling mine too sadly. I always wanted a gun in 9x18 but I should have bough a makarov. The finish and look of the gun is almost deceiving as to how bad it shoots. One magazine and you dont want to fire again. And on the last round instead of hold open the magazine always gets pulled out of the gun. That's with both of my new mags on a 1975 triangle hammer gun. I think im gonna sell probablly or throw it in a safe and keep it for a bug gun. But I have so many other better options.
I own one of the second variations, made in 1977. I'm surprised when you mentioned the stock grips that you didn't comment on the fact that where the two halves come together on the backstrap there is a wicked sharp plastic ridge that bites into your palm. I replaced my grips with an absolutely sick pair of CNC'd French Walnut grips...worth the investment. Seamless, classy as hell, no more backstrap issues, nice checkering. Seriously, those grips can get you laid. If I'm carrying mine, I use a sticky holster in my pocket. Yeah, there are modern striker fired alternatives with more capacity, but people like what they like. I still think it's a baller little gun.
@@firydeth Indeed! Doesn't print in a Sticky or DeSantis pocket holster. I carry a spare mag, too. I have a really good example so I don't carry it EDC anymore, but it's one of my favorite pistols nonetheless. The grips really turn it into something special. Thanks for the video!
Dude, This video was awesome. Sure, you were sh*t talking a gun I just shelled out $250 for, but regardless! you did it in a really well put together and entertaining way! This whole video had the production quality and overall vibe I'd expect to see in an LGR video (just with guns, rather than obsolete electronics). funny enough, you two even speak with a similar accent and similar mannerisms, which is mildly disconcerting haha. I seriously enjoyed it, Keep up the great work man!
This is a very high quality pistol that never fails to function. It flat out disapears iwb under a t shirt and is laser beam accurate at any realistic combat distances. And, this is a 2 position ONLY safety, there is NO "HALF SAFE" position. If yours is exhibiting this "Half Safe" you need to have a proper gunsmith fix it. This is a great gun your dissing it shows your serious lack of experience.
Ah, no. I remember seeing tons of these years ago. They're nice looking guns, but never piqued my interest since they were in .32acp. 380 is my low end limit for defense.
When I got mine, I had the same exact problem with the magazines. A Dremmel tool took care of it, shortening the feed lips on one of them. Now they are both reliable.
Added suggestion if you're going to carry with an empty chamber: keep the hammer cocked and the safety off. That will help when it comes time to rack the slide to chamber a round.
Do concur with your assessment. My summertime carry piece is a CZ82 and it is a solid performer. These commie heaters are interesting. Kinda explains some of the trials that the Russian forces are experiencing.
Also, I had to take apart my safety and recontour the inside of it to make it work. When shooting, the safety would engage after each shot. Well worn Walthers often have the same problem and I have fixed this before. Luckily the safety comes apart just like a Walther so I was able to do it. But this was a new pistol, go figure?
I love every thing about the P64 except shooting it. I've fired about three magazines through it. I have no plans to ever fire it again. I searched and searched for a larger grip hoping it would make it shootable but had no luck. If my life was in immediate danger and the only option was my P64, I might shoot it... I'd be tempted. BTW, I love, love, love my Macarov.
Wow there are alot of butthurt people here. I wonder how many of them have shot the p64 or own one. Or if they have one has shot any better guns. Because let's be real we all bought the gun for the look feel and size. And then we shot it
Yep liked the idea and pistol at the time, shot it a bunch very accurate but not very pleasant to shoot, sold it and never regretted it. P365 9mm now with Wilson xl grip is how I roll now
Completely disassembling and removing all the cosmo traces and properly breaking in the safety does wonders not only for the safety, but the DA trigger pull as well. This gun was not made for lefties. Get over it and buy some Tupperware instead. It's not for you. Felony carry in a pocket without a pocket holster that protects the trigger and the safety is foolhardy. So is carrying with the safety off. The same goes for any Tupperware striker-fired gun -only even moreso when there isn't a real external safety. ND waiting to happen.
I did remove all the cosmoline, and everything was still stiff and terrible. I was pretty clear that I train around right handed guns. You clearly didn't watch the video very closely as I did show the pocket holster I used to carry it with. So I don't know what you're bent out of shape about. Also, why would someone need to use the safety if there is no round in the chamber? Again, I don't know what the problem is here. ALSO, I can find 1,000 people pretty quickly to say it's dumb to carry with the safety on. Due to the propensity of the safety on this gun to break (potentially if dropped), condition 3 was the only way I was comfortable using it. Basically, this is not a great carry gun.
Goto the gym or ask your wife to help
Or maybe his little sister😂
@@ratdad48 Guy is a punk
It's a snappy tack driver. Ask a man at the range to pull the hammer back for you.
I've had my older version P-64 for about 15 years and I really like it. It has never jammed, misfed, or misfired. For such a small pistol, it is quite accurate out to 15 meters or so. It does have a stiff action and trigger, and the magazine capacity is low. Otherwise, it makes a great backup pistol!
It's accurate and reliable.
Did the Wolff springs set and polished the feed ramp and VOILA. I do use this as my primary carry, and it's not hard to train well with it's manual safety lever. To each their own, but mine is perfect for the task. Feed ramp polishing has made it an omnivore in the ammo department, and eats Hornady Critical Defense rounds easily and without issue. Got mine for $250 cash out the door with 2 additional (3 total) mags. One of my favorite pawn shop buys! It was also made in 1971.
ok, but my point was there are much better options available today, which there are.
@@firydeth Understood, but that was what was available to me at the time lol!
I'm so glad I bought thebwolfsprings I was ready to sell mine untill today.
The spring I had was almost a 3rd shorter than the replacement, and the recoil was so bad it I could only fire 1 or 2 shots and be done. My hand web would be cut up and bleeding and hurt from the massive recoil like taking a baseball bat and hitting a 90mph fast ball barehanded.
Now with 22lb spring in its about the same as a compact 9mm, very shootable.
Still snappy but perfectly ok.
The gun does not suck! I've cycled over 1000rds thru mine and have never had a misfire no matter what ammo I've used. Ergonomics are just fine to me. I have no trouble whatsoever using the safety. I have to say it's one of the most accurate guns of that size I've ever shot. At 15yrds, I can do 4" groups consistently. The gun was made to shoot the ammo for that period, so it functions as designed. You should have been aware of that when you bought it. Seems to me you are trying hard to find something that you dont like. As far as the marks around the chamber, mine doesn't have any. It's nice to know you are ridding yourself of the gun so it can maybe find someone who can appreciate the quality of this piece. You may not like it, but saying the gun sucks is a big reach.
Im a Polish arms collector, and this gun kinda sucks. Is it reliable? Yes. My P83, CZ82 FEG PA63, Makarovs are all much better guns. The P64 is an awesome piece of craftsmanship and history, but it is probably the worst commie block sidearm even fully adopted by any warsaw pact nation
@@detroitvseverybody3813 I can only respect what you said. I will say it's a tack driver and feeds any ammo that will fit in the mag. Yeah, love my cz82.
I feel like this gun will easily go 1000 rds without a jam. But I consider you lucky to make it that many without breaking a critical part. Mine will break the trigger return spring like clockwork before that many pulls. Also broke a firing pin, but that was while dryfiring.
If the trigger return spring breaks, the gun won't fire even if you pull it forward, manually. The spring also pushes the trigger bar up. So if the spring breaks, the trigger won't contact the sear.
Love mine...shoots like a champ. Workmanship is outstanding...beautiful.
I got the p365 and ditched my full sized handguns instead. I kept the p64. The gun is very accurate and I appreciate all the machine work and craftsmanship that went into producing it. I've heard these were costly to produce.
They are very nicely made. I just think they're not as nicely designed.
@@firydeth I didn't feel like the CZ82 was very accurate. I do better with just about every other 9x18 gun I've shot. I think even my db9 would come close.
I like design, high quality, accuracy. 6+1 in mag is totally enough, if not - it is reason to learn how to shoot and practice a lot. But it has RELIABILITY. Only P64 and Makarov never have a jam.
ive owned 4 or 5 of these and they have all function flawless.terrible double action trigger but it always functioned beautifully
They are reliable.
But I'm glad I found this gem.
I love mine.I found the trigger pull got better after 200 rounds or so, but I could always pull it with one finger. My wife was able to do it too but it was difficult for her.
He's wrong. I have an older P64 and a newer P64. I have both types of feed lips on my magazines. They all work fine in both guns. I've carried these pistols for nine years and shot them extensively.
Congratulations to you, but my older P64 WOULD NOT FEED a single round using the long lipped magazine. I have heard others confirm this.
Instead of calling me a liar, a better approach would be to say, "That's odd, my gun works with both. I wonder what the issue is that causes this malfunction."
I got one that had the Wolf spring kit (didn’t realize). Was blown away at the range when I first shot it this weekend. Super sweet!
I had the exact same mag problem as you. I did not know why it was and figured the mag was improperly made. I guess I was wrong about that. However, a few minutes with a dremmel toll fixed the mag problem. It's not very difficult to do at all.
Not true in all cases. I have an older version (1970) gun and the new and old magazines work just fine.
The Wolf Springs (recoil and hammer spring) replacements make the gun satisfactory. No it will never be great, but it is okay.
A Handall Jr. fits snuggly on the grip and tames most of the recoil.
As a left-hander (and an owner of a CZ-82 as well that I carry as a truck-gun), it is appropriate to carry this in Condition 3 and acknowledge that the P64 is a BACK-UP GUN in the same calibre (9x18mm) as either your CZ-82 (in my case) or your Makarov, and not really a dedicated concealed carry gun (though I have used it as such [with the mods listed above] with 2 extra mags in the hidden pocket of a tactical shoulder bag).
Well that's just super weird about the mags.
Thank you for pointing out the magazine issue (old vs. new). Aftermarket mags are spendy. You just saved me from buying an older pistol with a newer mag. That would have been a long drive back from the range.
I tried shooting mine with the new mag first... it was really confusing.
I disagree with just about everything you are saying. The gun fits my hand great. The serrations on the slide work or me. Just replace the hammer spring with a Wolff 18LB spring. The it and finish is great. I did get good info about the magazines for the old and new. I have the new made in 1973. So, according to you, I can buy an old or new magazine. Thanks for the video.
I had one of those. I ended up cutting a ring or two off that spring. It did as I expected, in that the trigger pull was super light. I don't recommend that. I was aware and always practiced proper trigger follow through, but my modification made it pretty easy to accidentally double tap if you didn't use perfect trigger control. The single action trigger pull was way too light. Like, look at it with intent and it would go off.
Love my 1974 model.
Runs great and just takes practice to get adjusted before carry. But a very solid gun.
I never said it wasn't reliable. It's simply not great, and outclassed by modern guns.
Well hell, NO! The P64 does not suck! I own one and carry one. You have to know the parameters and interworkings of the particular pistol you chose to carry.
Oops, you're right! I didn't understand the parameters or the inner workings of this gun. You got me.
I don’t own one of these, but I own a Makarov.
And this gun looks like it’s hot dogshit.
Also, my friend has one, and also complains about needing to be Brock Lesnar to get a double action pull.
@@TonyTheGoon The P64 is much better manufactured than most makarovs, but is not well designed.
@@TonyTheGoon You need to replace both the hammer spring and the slide spring to make this pistol a pleasure to shoot. Mine does! Look up replacing springs on the P64 to get where to purchase them and how to do it. It's not hard.
Love the 2 I bought. Recoil is snappy. Got a bunch of magazines from a guy in Krakow. Wolf springs and grips from polish iron.
I have an early P-64 without wolf springs. I have to conclude the trigger pull is heavy, but I believe it's overblown as after the first shot, you're going to have a decent trigger pull afterwards.
Secondly, I actually kinda like the sights. They're target sights, and if you carry over some of the knowledge of wwII and how handguns were treated. They were guns you point fired at close range, and if you had to use the sights, you were aiming long distances. That doesn't necessarily take away from the faults. But I always believe you should use guns from certain periods usually for what it's believed the intended design use was or what was the 'fashion' of the time. It helps put into perspective and may even aid you on how to enjoy the firearm a bit more. Of course, that doesn't fix the faults with it.
Well, the DA trigger pull is not overblown when you can't even pull the trigger to fire the gun without multiple fingers being used.
Not all DA trigger pulls on these old guns are the same, and mine was utterly unusable.
I love how it looks, hate how it shoots. It smacks the crap out of your hand and is uncomfortable to shoot. Only gun with a worse trigger is a Nagant revolver. I've tried different wolff springs to make it tolerable but end up making the gun unreliable.
i own both and this is a tad worse than the revolver.
Can you use the decocker but lower the hammer gently as if not using a decocker? It's been years since I shot mine. Maybe I have the new style hammer. Anyway, the CZ 82 is much better for 9x18. Also the Makarov PM. Hard to beat the P365 on practicality these days though.
Replying to myself because I didn't have access to my P64s to test. Apparently I have an example of each. New style hammer is reasonable to decock this way, so that's probably why I remembered it. Old style is dubious, although lower stakes than decocking without a decocker. I also never actually carried one, favoring a KelTec for pocket carry.
Pretty neat gun. I bought one several years ago at a gun show. It is the older version but has what looks like the new magazine. I haven't fired it yet but I'll try it sometime soon. I have Silver Bear and Hornady Critical Defense ammo for it. I prefer carrying revolvers for protection on my person. But in my vehicle I could have anything from a shotgun to just about any semi-automatic pistol. Good video.
My tip is if you really like the way the gun looks and feels don't fire it.
It's awful.
Now idk how you had a gun several years and haven't fired it. But trust me I loved m p64 untill I shot it and now I'm gonna sell it
@@Mibit911 I've been shooting guns for half a century and have quite a collection so I just haven't gotten around to shooting my P64. What is awful about it?
@@dangunn6961 honestly just the way it fires.
9x18 in a straight blowback gun, with a small grip and high slide. It's worse than shooting 454 out of a plowhandle revolver. At least that slides in your hands. This just snaps back all into your wrist and leaves your hand web red or bloody.
I have 91 guns, from 22 to 500 magnum and I have shot all of them, even the rare ones at least once or twice but this gun is not fun to shoot. I absolutely hate it now
@@Mibit911 I just watched several videos of guys shooting it. It looked a little snappy but no red hands or blood. Maybe it's just how you grip it.
@@dangunn6961 ok your saying you watched people shoot a gun. But you haven't shot it, I don't see how your experience is equivalent.
Again I have 91 guns in my collection ranging from 22s to 500 s&w and 500 buachwacker and I would shoot those guns all day before shooting my p64.
I have a snub nose birdhead 44 magnum that flips into the air when you fire in and that is quite comfortable compared to the p64.
The p64 is the only gun I truly hate shooting. The only thing close to that feedback is my ruger alskan in 454 casull, but even the hogue grips absorb most of the shock.
You got to understand the difference between locked breech and straight blowback. There's a reason that blowback guns are relegated to calibers 380 and under. So take a small pistol with a low grip shape, chambered in basically 380+p+ with no locked system to allow pressure to drop before the slide and barrel seperate, in a gun the side of a compact which you have 2 fingers to grab and has the recoil spring around the barrel, then take grips that are rough and burred because they split at the back of the gu n and a 24 lbs double action trigger pull and tell me what you think.
The force of the p64 is so strong even with 3 different mags on the last round the force of the recoil rips the magazine out the bottom of the gun. Now my magazine catch and slide lock function normally, this just happens and I'm not the only one it's happened to. Go shoot just one bullet out of yours and it's a good chance it'll happen.
9x18 Makarov is the strongest caliber made in blowback Pistols outside of highpoint but those guns are huge. Then you have the smallest 9x18 Makarov pistol. It's really a nightmare I cannot explain to you unless you've shot one. Also my gun has all original springs in it no replacements.
I had the older version (rounded hammer). It also came with both mag types but both of mine worked. This must vary from gun to gun because I know you aren’t the only one that won’t run both mags.
Yeah, it's very strange.
There used to be a P64 forum, but when I tried to figure out this issue and what was causing it, the guys running it took offense to my questions and shut the thread down. Weird.
P64 fits my smaller mits perfect. Gun is extremely accurate and slim. Well made. Now the downsides. Recoil is pretty bad. DA trigger pull is horrendous. And the round is pretty anemic with low capacity. I bought three of these when they were below $200. Had the safety break on the one I iwb carries at the time. So I had to use one as a parts gun after that.
Yeah, it's well made (except for the safety), but not a great design I think. Good collector gun.
This guy sure is whiny!! Surprised he touches anything but his beloved Glock.......I love mine after replacing the hammer spring.
What the heck are you talking about? I hate glocks.
Had (and carried) one of these as well, also back when they could be found for 200 or slightly less. Pretty much agree with the consensus, a bad design that’s made very well. Arguably the worst of the 9x18 pistols. It made sense back in the day.
This is (will be *was* in a few weeks) my first carry gun. Bought it several years back for like 280? After replacing the springs its slightly more serviceable but yeah still a POS (by todays standards). In the 70s and 80s hell yeah the poor man's PPK will deliver! But now, meh, for what it costs there's 2414142 better options out there. I consider it a nightmare to dis and reassemble and the slide requires a herculean effort to operate, and I'm a monster. My brother called it tug o war. He also couldn't double action till I replaced the spring. Pocket carry with this is dumb (I am dumb) because it weighs 24 oz (unloaded) or in pocket carry terms, about 75 tons. Its also been stovepiping on me as of late. Whatever.
All that being said, I do love this POS, and I'm keeping it with my equally shitty and lovable Nagant revolver. Great video btw you nailed all the points. Also Makarov ammo is ridiculously expensive now compared to 9 or 380. Just get one of those.
Yeah... Its a good collector gun.
Other than the trigger weight, I really wish the fire/safe was similar to other Makarovs where safe is up and down is fire. It doesnt make any sense to me. I wonder if you could 3d print and cast redesign it lol more trouble than its worth probably tho so up is safe and fire is down lol
I just bought one of these from Atlantic and it's a cool looking paper weight. Absolutely unusable as a CC weapon. The one I bought is in really good shape, but it is way too stiff in several ways to be relied upon. The safety is very difficult to operate even after soaking the gun in oil. The mag well is so tight, the mags are damn near impossible to take out. It came with 2 mags and it's the same with both. Not only does oil not help, but it makes the situation worse because you will inevitably apply too much oil making it slippery to hold onto. After watching multiple videos, I can see that my particular gun is much worse than most of the others I've seen. Due to the gun being in such good shape, I can only assume it came from the factory this way, and therefore was never able to be used, so it still looks new. Would not buy again.
It's a good collectible.
I got my p64 for 175 at the local gun shop. It shoots great.
No one who has shot a round through my P64 has fired a 2nd, also my safety broke after about 200 rounds and was almost cheaper to buy another one than the part. Wolf spring made the trigger decent.
I bought mine at a gunshow in really good condition only replacement part was grips and 2 mags for 250, and when I picked it up I loved the feel of the gun having come from pps and ppks which I love to shoot. But man I can not love this gun. Recently the grips cracked under the extreme recoil, it doesn't ever jam but it's hard to be accurate when I have to death grip the gun and end uo with a chewed up webafterworfs and my hand shaking and I regularly shoot 460 s&w and 500 bfr and have no problem with that kind of recoil. But this just is not good.
I'm thinking of selling mine too sadly. I always wanted a gun in 9x18 but I should have bough a makarov.
The finish and look of the gun is almost deceiving as to how bad it shoots.
One magazine and you dont want to fire again. And on the last round instead of hold open the magazine always gets pulled out of the gun. That's with both of my new mags on a 1975 triangle hammer gun.
I think im gonna sell probablly or throw it in a safe and keep it for a bug gun.
But I have so many other better options.
Yeah, it's a nice collector gun. It looks nice and is well made.... but not a great practical piece.
I own one of the second variations, made in 1977. I'm surprised when you mentioned the stock grips that you didn't comment on the fact that where the two halves come together on the backstrap there is a wicked sharp plastic ridge that bites into your palm. I replaced my grips with an absolutely sick pair of CNC'd French Walnut grips...worth the investment. Seamless, classy as hell, no more backstrap issues, nice checkering. Seriously, those grips can get you laid. If I'm carrying mine, I use a sticky holster in my pocket. Yeah, there are modern striker fired alternatives with more capacity, but people like what they like. I still think it's a baller little gun.
It was definitely handy to carry in a pocket.
@@firydeth Indeed! Doesn't print in a Sticky or DeSantis pocket holster. I carry a spare mag, too. I have a really good example so I don't carry it EDC anymore, but it's one of my favorite pistols nonetheless. The grips really turn it into something special. Thanks for the video!
...as a Retired U.S. Army Infantry Sergeant, and old COLD WAR WARRIOR, it is just FUN to own a "BAD-GUY" GUN!!!!
Dude, This video was awesome. Sure, you were sh*t talking a gun I just shelled out $250 for, but regardless! you did it in a really well put together and entertaining way! This whole video had the production quality and overall vibe I'd expect to see in an LGR video (just with guns, rather than obsolete electronics). funny enough, you two even speak with a similar accent and similar mannerisms, which is mildly disconcerting haha. I seriously enjoyed it, Keep up the great work man!
Oh thanks man. As a collectible, this gun is good. as a useable tool, it's mediocre.
Had one. Sold it. Trigger pull is about a million pounds. Other reason; no ammo for it. Just a novelty or toy gun.
I mean its very well made... just not well designed.
@@firydeth it was a nice piece. Antique though.
I have the newer one if you want to compare🤷
The things that I don't like, it's just 6 round magazine capacity. 6 round only for revolver!
Just get Walther PPK or normal snub revolver.
yeah, capacity is an issue
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This is a very high quality pistol that never fails to function. It flat out disapears iwb under a t shirt and is laser beam accurate at any realistic combat distances. And, this is a 2 position ONLY safety, there is NO "HALF SAFE" position. If yours is exhibiting this "Half Safe" you need to have a proper gunsmith fix it. This is a great gun your dissing it shows your serious lack of experience.
Where did I say the gun was unreliable, inaccurate or difficult to conceal?
The mag will work just fine dremel the cut out equal to the original and drive on soldier.
Have you shot the vz-50/ cz-70?
The double action is atrocious on that as well. I wonder which is worse the p64 or the Cz
Ah, no. I remember seeing tons of these years ago. They're nice looking guns, but never piqued my interest since they were in .32acp. 380 is my low end limit for defense.
When I got mine, I had the same exact problem with the magazines. A Dremmel tool took care of it, shortening the feed lips on one of them. Now they are both reliable.
Carry without round in the chamber, this is the old Soviet military style way of carry.
Added suggestion if you're going to carry with an empty chamber: keep the hammer cocked and the safety off. That will help when it comes time to rack the slide to chamber a round.
Starting to understand the reason f9r all the Polish jokes
What you need is a big, soft lounge chair with massage and a cup holder.
Do concur with your assessment. My summertime carry piece is a CZ82 and it is a solid performer. These commie heaters are interesting. Kinda explains some of the trials that the Russian forces are experiencing.
There is such a thing as too compact.
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Good video still carrying mine, no issues and after a day of shooting i get a sick forearm pump
Pick up a Micro Desert Eagle for review and comment. Or the Kevin ZVI if they are available.
Oh, I haven't seen one of those in a while. What a hilarious little gun though.
Also, I had to take apart my safety and recontour the inside of it to make it work. When shooting, the safety would engage after each shot. Well worn Walthers often have the same problem and I have fixed this before. Luckily the safety comes apart just like a Walther so I was able to do it. But this was a new pistol, go figure?
I love every thing about the P64 except shooting it. I've fired about three magazines through it. I have no plans to ever fire it again. I searched and searched for a larger grip hoping it would make it shootable but had no luck. If my life was in immediate danger and the only option was my P64, I might shoot it... I'd be tempted. BTW, I love, love, love my Macarov.
Makarov's are just a bit bigger, and much easier to handle. They won't fit in your pocket though.
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I believe if someone was trying to kill you, the recoil would be the last thing on your mine.
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P-64 is Polish, not Indonesian 🙃
You're just watching the video upside down.
@@firydeth Maybe 🙃
I bought a p 64 the parts inside are not strong like a Russian Makarov, i dont trust the p 64.
Yeah, that's the real issue.
Wow there are alot of butthurt people here.
I wonder how many of them have shot the p64 or own one. Or if they have one has shot any better guns. Because let's be real we all bought the gun for the look feel and size. And then we shot it
Everyone who says they don't like shooting it say they've shot it. What a bizarre comment.
@@firydeth exactly.
Everyone thought it was a cool gun untill actually firing one and realized it sucks ass
@@firydeth maybe I didn't word the comment well.
I'm saying once any of us shot rhe gun we all realized it was awful lmao
Yep liked the idea and pistol at the time, shot it a bunch very accurate but not very pleasant to shoot, sold it and never regretted it. P365 9mm now with Wilson xl grip is how I roll now
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Completely disassembling and removing all the cosmo traces and properly breaking in the safety does wonders not only for the safety, but the DA trigger pull as well.
This gun was not made for lefties. Get over it and buy some Tupperware instead. It's not for you.
Felony carry in a pocket without a pocket holster that protects the trigger and the safety is foolhardy. So is carrying with the safety off. The same goes for any Tupperware striker-fired gun -only even moreso when there isn't a real external safety. ND waiting to happen.
I did remove all the cosmoline, and everything was still stiff and terrible.
I was pretty clear that I train around right handed guns.
You clearly didn't watch the video very closely as I did show the pocket holster I used to carry it with. So I don't know what you're bent out of shape about.
Also, why would someone need to use the safety if there is no round in the chamber? Again, I don't know what the problem is here.
ALSO, I can find 1,000 people pretty quickly to say it's dumb to carry with the safety on.
Due to the propensity of the safety on this gun to break (potentially if dropped), condition 3 was the only way I was comfortable using it.
Basically, this is not a great carry gun.
Good pistol. Thumbs down