Johnny Rotten - Second Generation Irish Punk
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- At the forefront of the Punk explosion onto the UK music scene in 1976 was the Sex Pistol’s singer Johnny Rotten (John Lydon). In this snapshot of these somewhat turbulent times, the man himself recounts his early childhood with his Irish parents and how the fusion of his Irish and English backgrounds shaped his personality. The rest, as they say .....
From the TG4 series Guth.
Johnny is absolutely right. My Mom is from Kerry and we grew up in an Irish community believing we were Irish but in Ireland they told us in no uncertain terms we weren't. If were were footballers we would have been accepted.
Searlaigh Daily l
You most certainly do not need to be born in Ireland to be Irish. You are where your loyalties lie.
London irish
love from Ireland 🇮🇪 my friend
The older I get,the more I understand his way of seeing life.god bless you john,you taught me a lot.
John Lydon cares
@@angieanderson7792 3 truer words could not be written.
Johnny, one of England's and Ireland's greatest treasures.
This guy the more I listen to him . The more I like him . Well rounded smart fella. .
you have no friends only infection as a friend
One of the most underestimated intellects in the world today.
@@tinamitchell7496 ahaha
@@tinamitchell7496 lets sing..tinaa oh tinaaaaa she lives in china with elephant
I never, ever tire of listening to John Lydon.
45 years on, and England is STILL DREAMING!
No Future
Sex Pistols stood for every teenage kid in the 70s, and 80s who rebelled against the system and stereotypes,they were and always will be my icon .
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
Like that. Did you think that up yourself ?
The more I hear his interviews the more I love him 🌷🌷🌷
I understand now why Lydon is so conflicted about his Irish side in his latest autobiography.
the Irish folks should be well proud of Johnny, I think the grittiness comes from the fact that Lydon hated the catholic system and papalcy, the pope etc, and lots of catholics are too brainwashed to see that Lydon was spot on, I understand catholics remaining tribal to one another in the sectarian sense, but, as time passes, many are awkening from the spell of the Vatican over those Irish communities, Lydon will always be a universal humanitarian to me personally, we need more like him, as totally genuine and true to himself.
He saw it before the rest of the country saw it we were backwards for a long time but not now , yes we sould be proud of all irish that do well but he has the lawless way of the irish its in his dna
@Searlaigh Daily that could be northern Irish girls across the board, I wouldn't trust the vatican system with schoolgirls for a billion pounds, it's as they approach the age of puberty the creeps emerge from the woodwork.
@Searlaigh Daily ireland has the worst national iq level in western europe.
You need a severe dose of Belloc and Chesterton.
@@vincentmcnabb939 yep
We need another movement like punk to kick commercial music in the balls. if too much of something is bad, where's all the anger towards the mainstream? I'm not seeing a backlash, and this has me very *very* worried
Edward Bliss it’ll happen again man it always will
Just wait
pop music is deader than your greatest ancestors - it will NEVER have the importance it once had because the wheel has already been invented - there is no use in the purposeless
Anyone in Ireland who can drum wanna start a band? Preferably someone with some attitude. I am on bass and sing and I have a amazing guitarist. Any drummers from ireland, hit me up my Facebook is the same as my UA-cam, we will change music forever. Looking to do something really experimental. Like if nirvana was mixed with punk, 60's psychedelic rock and eletronic elements like turntables and heavy bass lines
@@dylanbenadie458
your music will radically change the world
punk was middle class really they all met at art school and i say this with honesty as i was 16 in 1976 and working class irish and happy and i love john and what he stood for
Art school ass holes .
I like the photo at 3:40 with little Jonny wearing short and Classic t-bar sandals .
I remember one photo of little Sid also dressed up like that .
So proper .
Your a good man John, never let people get the upper hand it's one thing to learn different things but in the end it doesn't matter what any else thinks becouse it comes down to you.
what an excellent interview. its not easy interviewing him, as he often goes on a rampage to do exactly what you dont want him to do. obviously they asked him the right questions and out comes this
Irish or English, who the hell cares. Johnny, you are and always will be brilliant and you just kicked way too much ass in that band to care where you came from. Keep up the good work man. Much love and support for the punk world that exists still.
Johnny Rotten knew what it was like to feel he didn't belong... but God love him, he created with that feeling and helped himself and others
John Lydon is an amazing artist. To be in one influential band would be anyone dream but to be in to, wow !!! The Sex Pistols and PIL Holy Crap people. John is English but Irish descent.
Thanks for posting this. I have been up and down the net looking for this. Thanks again.
That is truly a great Documentary.
Excellent.
Always loved u john
Love this. Cheers
6:15 this is one thing that Johnny did that made me realize how great and rebellious he was.
I like what John said in the interview about fitting in! Don’t try’n fit in, just be yourself! Yes!
We’re all like a piece of a jigsaw puzzle called (life) it gets added to every moment when people are born & some pieces are taken away when people die, but we’re all unique pieces of that same puzzle, we’re all different, we got our own personalities, mannerisms & individuality’s! No pieces of the puzzle are the same, but each piece fits in somewhere to make up the whole puzzle, & the amazing thing about it, is that the puzzle is never completed, because it always carries on, as long as life & death exists!😎
Always Creativeness!😎
As the daughter of Irish immigrants to England, I identify with alot of what John says. However, I grew up in a small midland market town with a significant Irish community and I think the racism I experienced was more subtle and insidious. I think my parents had born the brunt of it when they first arrived in the 50s and we lived in private housing areas, so my parents were quite respectable- they certainly held owning property to be very important and that is a very Irish trait but it meant they maybe were viewed a bit differently? I can't be sure.
When I came to Ireland on holiday, my maternal grandparents were only delighted and my Nan often came over to England to visit too- they never made me feel anything but totally part of the family. My cousins did take the mickey but not in a nasty way and we just got on with playing the ways kids do.I have lived in Ireland now for 10 years and though I still have an English accent I am quite Gaelicised. I do still notice a bit of coolness from Irish people who don't know my background. Those who do know are accepting of me and would consider me Irish. I do know what John means though. I mean, you have the terms " British Afo-Carribean" and " British Asian" but to refer to us 2nd generationers as " British Irish" would be awful- almost like an insult, after our forebears fighting so hard and so long for our independance. Being born in Britain to Irish parents in the 60s and 70s was a strange and sometimes uncomfortable experience. Nowadays I regard myself as an English-born Irish woman.Oh yeah, I was a punk in the late 70s and early 80s too and John had alot to do with that! I was always drawn to him and this is probably alot to do with it!
Didums. Everyone's a victim.
@@wangdangdoodie Speak for yourself!
@Searlait Loughlin They did indeed! A fair few of the Diaspora have done well in music, sure, aren't we a musical people!:)
Well said!
@@dannymcmince Thanks Danny!
It doesn't matter if your English,irish or from Tibet it's just the human condition when your growing up but john has always been an honest in being himself and what he spoke about.
Johnny Rotten is 100% Irish Dna. Lydon is still one of the biggest family names in Ireland today. I love his brutal honesty and being a nasty bastard!
I can't help but think of the American outlaw Billy the kid. William H Bonney. He too was 100% Irish. An Irish immigrant .
its true what he says the irish see second gen as english and they tel you so when you live there fact
@Monsieur Tarzan Wrong. It’s Genetics. Either you have it or you don’t. Culture is important, Accents and surnames are ( in Ireland ) very important ; but at the end of the day, it’s Genetics. The Irish may not like the Irish Diaspora but few will ever consider a non Irish to EVER be truly Irish. Tough luck mate. 😢
@Monsieur Tarzan yes it is
@Monsieur Tarzan yeah but the Irish are often special
Don’t always agree with him but he’s a good lad with a big heart.
Same with I’m born in Manchester to Irish parents my parents said I was Irish but I was called English In Ireland even though all my background is Irish
Same.
Don't let any one define you
That’s just part of being second generation.
Us plastic paddy's are a unique and elite genetic test tube accomplishments of biological breakthrough 🍀❤️🙂
@@xfmk9296 rights for plastic power 💪🍀😂
who care he is Irish or English first all he is Johnny Rotten as a punk rocker second he is Mr. Lydon a proper Londoner period.
A proper human being :D I don't think there's anything he hadn't got right
Anarchy on the accordion 😂😂😂👍👍
Check out "L' anarchie pour la UK" from The Great Rock n Roll Swindle.
Fascinatng fella....gotta luv JR and the Sex Pistols....nothing as unique out there.
John Lydon is a very clever person.
Brilliant.
I really really like Johnny Rotten.
What a smart intelligent guy
Shane macgowan was universally disliked in Ireland until they realised he was pretty talented. The problem with Ireland is they don’t like to be reminded of their failure to hold onto their young people even though it’s basically government policy to get them to the airport as quickly as possible after they leave school.
Shane McGowan auntie plied him with fags 🚬and whiskey 🥃👶in his infantsy!, he didn't have a chance 😖and how many others 😢?
he got that irish wit like myself
2.40 very true, I'm the first person in my family born in the UK, so in England I'm a paddy and when I'm in Ireland I'm a English bastard, but my community in Birmingham growing up was more like Dublin from the old days than Dublin is now
Digbeth?
@@patrickglennon6834 no but not far, digbeth is on the east side of Birmingham City centre and Im from Bordesley Green which is about 2 miles further east, so Bordesley Green, small heath, Balsall heath
I love that track that starts 12.46 ? THIS IS MY CULTURE.
Yah that sound pretty good. Do you know the name of the song
My great-great-grandmother she was from South London Greenwich
Your all of it johnny. Your gob is irish 😉👍👍👍👍👍🇮🇪🙏perfect. Back then usual religion and a bit of bad blood over the years between irish and english. But its true we have a lot more in common. This irish person thinks your one of us. 👍👍👍👍🇮🇪
Love it.
If we were footballers we would have been accepted 😂😂😂 Excellent MOT
Yeah sadly we all know in all cultures sadly you're only accepted if you've got something they revere
I'm part Irish & English myself.
Johnny 👍👍👍🙏🇮🇪
But you should know John that putting a Union Jack on a stage in Ireland is always going to cause friction.
P.S. Shane McGowan isn't a 2nd generationer. He was born near Nenagh, County Tipperary. I think his parents brought him over to London when he was young but he never lost his accent, he lives here again now and he's Irish through and through!.
He only sings with an Irish accent. Shane speaks with an English accent.
Agreed.ive met shane McGowan.He speaks mixed up cockney ascent and things with Irish voice.Hes came to London aged 11.Had a scholarship to westministers boys school
@Not Amused He was born in England and spent some of his childhood in Ireland before returning to England. Makes no difference he is Irish as is John Lydon. They both hold Irish passports. I was born in London to Irish parents and grew up in Donegal. I am Irish. A man born in a stable is not a horse.
@@johnbarrett2833 But it's true that you can be born to Irish parents in England, and be treated as English in Ireland and Irish in England. I've experienced that.
@@heliotropezzz333 That's true it was the same for me even though I spent most of my life in Ireland. It was worst for my older sisters who had strong London accents.
Second gen.Irish played a huge role in British rock and roll history.The Beatles,Oasis,The Smiths,The Pogues,Prodigyand the Pistols to name a few.It has been documented by a few of these that they had a sense of not belonging to either culture so they created there own.
Absolutely, many actors/directors and comedians too.
‘It’s only sound, Music, init?’
The Irish, like John didn't give a fuck about being alienated by English culture, they had the balls to just steam roller over it, just like U2, Undertones, Nick Cave (Australia), Big Country and the Sensational Alex Harvey and the Welsh Manic Street Preacher and the Alarm.. Long live rock !
I hear some celtic influence on that Happy? album by PiL. I don’t know exactly what, but there is something different and definitely not punk on that album. Was John Lydon or McGeoch listening to Enya or Clannad at the time? I’m from Brazil and don’t know much about Irish culture
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This is a tough one, John an English LEGEND but his genetic roots are Irish, so to call a spade a spade in my opinion as an Irishman and I know this may annoy some people, however, the more you trace back and back we all stem from Neanderthals with no mongrel identity but an original pedigree source. Where scientists maintain all modern men/women originated in southern Africa with no Identity or boundaries, a universal cultural birth.
Don't forget the mayo people, 🍀who were around before them neatheral thingumy bobs 🦍?, 😅
John is much too complicated for the average slave. They want it cut and dried and this aint the world for that bit of slush.
His art came to lie in the work of PIL. Listen to it and check the poet in his aeon.
Most artists who are searching for their Self are a bit divided, you know???
and John the Be YERSELF phrase looks like something out of LOVE ISLAND
Smart as a whip John i'am starting to feel the same as you i'am Australian born from Irish and Scottish ancestry and at first it was a good thing but now you are a treated like shit no matter how nice or friendly you are and i hate racsim and i refuse to be dragged into to their hateful ways. God i wish i was smarter like you.your pil songs are far better then the Pistols stuff.
Id love to know what part of Dublin he was nicked in; Pity the Pistols didn't last very long, i'm addicted to Nevermind the Bollocks.
Yeah Darby! It's the best album in history, only thing close is Let It Bleed.
"gubu nation" by damian corless (who used to write for Hot Press) says it was a pub in eden quay - the horse and tram, specifically, which i think is gone now.
@@arianrhodhyde7482 Ah yeah, there's still a couple of pubs there now, been in them a few times.
It was the lapdance joint by the alleyway, they're making it a pub again.
@@irishelk3 someone get DCC to put up a plaque.
pistols should have played cbgb
I was under the impression they made their way there sometime while the place was still open and hopping.
No. Malcolm McClaren intentionally avoided NYC with the Sex Pistols.
They would've conquered NYC in 1978.
Malcolm was the worst manager they could've had in retrospect.
That woulda been to logical...
I agree fully.
Pls come to cork.
14.07 "what would Dat mean to Dem"☺💚🍀
Fuck the cross analysis and academic ramblings. Rotten was a one off coma survivor but would have been total fucking genius anyway. GSTQ as John Robb said is just breathtaking. Right first time and lived to tell the tale. One Album. Game Over.
Such a fascinating man! He and others make pissing at others heroic. It's the Trumpian psychology. Rage and burn the whole shit house down, but never ever bring up anything that resembles a solution to what the rage and fire is about. That is fascinating.
Michael Reid Perry Not true, he's very opinionated about what he thinks is right and how things should be and it's supported by a moral conviction. Look at some of his other interviews
His parents should've taught the boys Gaelic.
They probably didn't speak it themselves. It was banned in Ireland for such a long time that it dwindled in every day use.
@@heliotropezzz333 My mother and father were made learn it at National school in the 30s and 40s so I'm not sure it was banned. My mother loved Irish and told me she was good at it but, being made leave school at 14 to work, then emigrating to England, she forgot a lot of it, which I think is dead sad. She did teach me the few phrases she remembered but I'd be terrible at the spelling, lol!
@@notamused3715 The language was banned by the English government in the 17th century I believe or possibly the 18th, as they governed Ireland at the time. Irish catholics were not allowed to be educated either. They had to do it in secret in what were called 'hedge schools'. By the time your mother went to school it wasn't banned but over the period when it was banned the language started to be lost for the general population. Though it's taught in schools now not many people in Ireland use it in daily life. There are a few areas where they do known as 'The Gaeltacht'.
@@heliotropezzz333 Ah yes, I know. Isn't it a shame that so many have barely a word of Irish now? Some say it's not taught well in schools and the best way is to go to a Gaeltach for a few weeks-immersion!
@@heliotropezzz333 I'm from the Gaeltacht...We speak Irish at home and out and about!
Why do they always include these annoying "Academic experts" for side commentary on these shows.
He was born in Ireland...as for his grandad being shocked by his accent...not too long before you could be shot for speaking Irish and it was people with that accent doing the shooting.
SNAFU
He wasn't born in Ireland
You "blend" in realy well lately....on every vile media talk show that needs a bit "controversy".... and audience participation..
11:47 The 4 by 2s lol
Who is the nice middle class girl at 9:45?
Idk but she is pretty.
an irish gypsy ???????????????????
- *what the fuck* -
10:59 That's because The Word, is God. God, is the Word. That is why you love words. The Word, is all of them and Creates and Destroys.
I’m the same I don’t what I’m
County Mayo
#juanOSavin the #SpaceForceCowboy 🤠
At the end of the day John Lydon represents what is great about the cultural melting pot that exists in these isles can you imagine how bland music, food, sport, films and even humour would be if it were not for the influences of other races, nationalities and creeds, Irish, West Indian, British or Asian etc.
Lydon has Irish heritage, no question, but he is Norf London, froo and froo.Ye're talkin' NORF London, mate.
Hollaway,is there a difference between north and south london accents? Never noticed it
@@patrickglennon6834 not to the casual listener, but to the acutely perceptive, the differences are obvious.
Yes your defo irish
johnny slagged off punks at REBELLION for wearing ahhh the uniform....huh whats the oroblem Johnny-lots of us didnt slag you for wearing your poppy of late/also slagging Dublin off and contrasting it to Belfast-his latest love the last time PIL played on Dublin.And of course the whole Le Pistol nonsense.get a grip John
Damn this is dull! Almost everybody has a mix of something in them and if you lived in London in the 60's and 70's and 80's it was bloody tough at times.
Just embrace it and get on with it, don't analyse it. Life is largely luck anyways.
He seems a lot more genuine here than he usually does. A lot more reflective. He still needs to answer for that pro-Trump bullshit, though.
Lydon . if you grow up iin irland and in dublin maybe , you could have some swedish dna , i would be so proud if you had
12:43 song?
One Drop/PiL
wow john i ask the same questions and the truth is were not irish were second gen irisih mate ,british is what it is and its better because were also west indian and turkish and greek and italian and all the other nations and thats the truth
Look in the mirror what or who do you think you look like ?
God save Irish Queen she lives behind rubbish bin
The Irish ...yeah ...my mum is Irish......blah blah blah ... btw this vignette about Lydon ...what has it got to do with the Irish diaspora ?
It's given him an 'outsider's' perspective on England.
WOMEN.
Talk sense want you and your language out of here
Irish isn't a race
"Race" is subjective, a human construct and it depends on what country is determining what "race" is. It's really all BS when it comes down to it.
Yes it is. You either have the genetic profile or you don’t. American isn’t a Race but Irish is.
Tosser