Thank you. Finally somebody was kind enough to play the Tetris game with the CL and share it to all. Glad to know that the CL can handle 3 containers of 32 SCU.
Thank you for taking the time to test this. Valuable test! Whilst we may normally want to avoid blocking off access to components, the fact that we have the option for 3x32scu in a pinch (for that huge haul of weevil you just found!) is fantastic!
exactly.. instead of just trying to utilize the full cargo grid with cargo missions and shine light on the practicality of the ship, hes directly trying to find a "cheese" methode thats totally not relevant for this games future.. the cargo room of this ship is limited in so many ways, its realy not practical to even load the full 128scu (only if you want to play tetris and carefully select what to load first). dont try to stuff even more in..
Not to mention the possibility of being overweight, which could effect your pitch, yaw, brakes and boost. As you said, it doesn't matter now but what if it does later? I'd imagine being overweight could possibly play a role with how your ship functions overall. You could find yourself putting all of the power resource pool to the engines just to operate normally... And if you take any of that resource pool away, components start tearing up within a small window of time. This means you'll get that extra cargo but you'll be flying vulnerable. Low weapons and low shield regen. Heck, it could even be illegal and if you're caught, you get a ticket or worse, you get grounded until you are compliant.
Sometimes you just find some randomly lost cargo which seems to belong to no one. Than it is good to know if you can take two or three of this 32scu container with SLAM.
@@FalconDS9someones a hater. I can think of plenty of practical situations id be happy to risk not accessing SOME components in order to fit the most possible loot in my ship, especially while flying solo anyways. And for "playing tetris", even putting aside some of us enjoy that, i can happilly wait for auto loading whike doung other stuff :)
Finally, a comparison between two actual competing ships. I was getting tired of all the Zeus/C1 comp. vids. Two completely different class ships cargo wise. FatMax and Zeus are where it's at. Don't get me wrong, C1 is an alright ship, no Cutty mind you, but let's stick with apples to apples. This from a FatMax lover and proud owner from all the way back to the original Freelancer hauling commercial. It's what sold me on the SC dream!
Fun with Science! I managed to get a Cyclone, a Roc, an ATLS, a Pulse LX, an X1 Velocity plus 18scu of cargo into the back of the CL. I still had a 1scu passage from the cargo ramp to the door (the railing can be vaulted over, of course), so add another 24scu if you are going to use the ladder! I really like the Zeus Mk2 CL. Thanks Foxy 😁👍
Even though the Freelancer Max carries a bit less, it is also hampered by having that little airlock room where you were supposed to put six more SCU. But only 1 SCU boxes fit through the door. Hopefully when the Freelancers finally gets a rework to be up to modern standards, they do away with that little airlock room.
Even though you're putting things off the Freelancer's grid, you can probably get the same results putting them ON the grid and getting them locked down! A slight plus over the Zeus where you have to put things off the grid.
Thanks Foxy bro! really appreciate your time and effort showing capacity for these ships.... your humor is awesome! I can comfortably get 168 in the Freelancer Max when buying and selling commodities so can choose between box sizes to get every inch of room lol ... ALL off grid I use 6 x 16scu, 20 x 4scu, 8 x 2scu = 192 scu !!!! yeehaa. And that's not including the silly middle cargo room that is through the stupid door you can get an extra 12 Ish in there but takes too long to get cargo through the little door lol ...Who knows what the New Freelancer Max will be like if they change it or not... it's looking very old now next to all these newer ships etc. Would love to get the Zeus CL for a day and see what the maximum scu is etc. because it's a lovely looking modern ship! maybe more room in front of the hand rail thing etc Alot are mentioning if boxes will get damaged off grid or and ship component access problems etc. yes, these are things in future we will find out, lets enjoy the ride together
although I do a little cargo running from time to time this topic does not interest me so much but love the idea of "what will fit" and I find ur videos funny as hell for some reason at 5:30 in the morning 😂👍🏻
Foxy! I have made a discovery: the Zeus ES can carry 62.5 SCU on its cargo grid (only available if you use 1/8 SCU boxes. 10x10x5 for 500 boxes on the grid). Wondering about other ships (especially the CL though I don't own one).
6:17 "That's what he said...". That Tetris game evolved a lot for sure! 😂 I'm just glad that the Max is not exploding from all those containers colliding. And... N'Ursa? 🥰 Also, the ladder is no longer a mass murderer. The long time owners will recognize themselves 😏
I have an FMAX, old is gold...what would be the avantage of going the Zeus route, i have not studied the ships/ stats...main reason i was sold on it gosh over 10 yrs ago now...was it is the largest and fastest ship that can go through a small gat i believe..not sure if that is still relevant. Like a blockade runner. looking at MM, everything is just too slow now.
The only issue is, when it comes to multirole game-play, having it off grid is going to interfere with getting to the components to be fixed. I don't think that would be a good idea to do.
Hover bikes work well when trying to get in to ship you have parked oddly. The lift height of them is rather good and can get even higher when lifting off from ships
This video is only to test boxes bigger than 8 SCU, because during Hauling missions, most of the boxes we got are 8 SCU, higher ranked will have 16 and then 32 scu. This is the purpose, and I already did a video putting only 1 scu boxes into the CL.
Atm, nothing is wrong with off grid. Some times you get clipping if the physics are being wonky. Eventaly you will have thrust and fuel issues with an over loaded ship.
I've run into a few issues with off grid. Specifically with Salvage on the reclaimer. Stocked the cargo full and the hold below the processing room and stacked the processing center and I could only sell what was on grid in the processing area. Had to run back 4 or 5 times to off load it all because I had to keep moving it all back. The processing room honestly barely hold 240. Whatever the max salvage is before making boxes. Kinda sad really.
I respect your efforts, but do you have an "aversion" to 2 SCU containers to fully load the ships? That would show how much effort is needed....! For my part, I'm currently testing the hauling missions with these "odd" numbers, where 2 SCU and/or one SCU containers are included, especially the one SCU´s are a "pain in the ass" of a special kind when you try to fill the holes with "TETRIS TACTICS" without all the others being diced up
C1 has always been 2x32, people just realised that the space in the middle was probably accidentally 32scu sized so you could technically fit a third but it would block being able to exit the ship and also wouldnt be attached to the grid
I don't understand how the Zeus CL is supposed to carry 128SCU when it would need to hold FOUR 32SCU boxes and we can't fit that in there. Highest I've counted watching you stuff the boxes in is 112SCU. Makes me think you're supposed to stack more boxes on top of the 32SCU boxes.
That's how most medium range cargo ships grids work, they're usually 3 1SCU boxes tall. Freelancers, Taurus, Zeus CL, MSR, Corsair all have this grid height so you have big 2 height boxes with smaller 1 height boxes on top of them.
Ok, so with the way you load your ships I have one question. What will you do once one of the components causes a fire? (because that is something that is coming very soon)
If there is a fire you can vent it out in space by opening your doors. Always wear a space suit and problem solved. Completely filling a cargo ship off grid has the downside of extra time and effort, but not this issue.
not much point in keeping the cargobay pressurised during flight anyway. With Engineering you will be able to vent the atmosphere out of individual rooms on your ship which puts out fires and reduces wear and consumption on your life support systems. Repairing components is a whole different story of course, especially since some of the crucial ones are in the back.
so the cargo BAY can fit 3x32 SCU boxes, but the cargo GRID cant? For all the work they put into this ship, they sure do miss the ball on a few of these simple things.
mybe the same person who made the rails of the freelancer block the cargohold :D. at least both have a second entrance. last time in the spirit i had to kill myself to get out because the tractor beam of the ship did not work. cargo full to the top
(Sarcasm incoming) Yes, why can't we block access to the components with Engineering coming . . . . with *FIRE* and *EXPLODING* Power Plants when critically damaged and not repaired. Gib extra 39scu of cargo grid!! lol
Im really hoping that cargo not snapped to the cargo grind suffers a serve penalty in the future; perhaps destroying the cargo or damaging the ship. What is the point of having cargo grids at all if this isn’t the case. Same for cramming vehicles into cargo bays. There’s needs to be a way to secure them or they (and the ship) suffer damage and potential loss.
If you do any cargo transport, you would know that the cargo grids are in many ships really stupit. Some could fit 50% more without blocking anything. Connies can fit even 100% more if you overload. And dont come me with bla bla that is stupit. In IRL we overload vehicles all the time, why would we not do the same thing when Space Ships are like cars today.
Not much point in putting cargo offgrid on the Zeus since you can stack cargo 3 scu high on the grid, meaning you already get your 3rd 32 scu container that way in anyway without blocking off access to the ship components. 3x 32 scu containers are certainly the much faster option though.
thats true...also the remote turret on the bottom is not much better than the MAX-turret (which will be buffed to size3 weapons) But, the zeuss looks so much better.
ROC-DS is the superior ROC by a large margin. The only real issue with it is its size, so that's probably why someone asked. If you know you know. If you don't you probably still just regurgitate the whole "ROC-DS is terrible" lie.
Did you test what will happened with lose cargo containers in flight ? Rember that you can now damage your components ;) And what about fire when engineering comes in. This test has no use...
If there is a fire you can vent it out in space by opening your doors. Always wear a space suit and problem solved. Completely filling a cargo ship off grid has the downside of extra time and effort, but not this issue. This test is valuable to anyone that wants to fully utilize their ship with time on their side.
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Thank you. Finally somebody was kind enough to play the Tetris game with the CL and share it to all.
Glad to know that the CL can handle 3 containers of 32 SCU.
It cant really handle it though. If you go for it you have no component access. So while now its viable, that viability has an expiration date.
Thank you for taking the time to test this. Valuable test! Whilst we may normally want to avoid blocking off access to components, the fact that we have the option for 3x32scu in a pinch (for that huge haul of weevil you just found!) is fantastic!
I'm happy you went out of way to test the limits of these direct competitor ships ❤️
Every cargo runner needs to see this video
Remember if you block those aisles you are blocking access to the components. Might not be that important now, but it will be soon.
exactly.. instead of just trying to utilize the full cargo grid with cargo missions and shine light on the practicality of the ship, hes directly trying to find a "cheese" methode thats totally not relevant for this games future..
the cargo room of this ship is limited in so many ways, its realy not practical to even load the full 128scu (only if you want to play tetris and carefully select what to load first). dont try to stuff even more in..
Not to mention the possibility of being overweight, which could effect your pitch, yaw, brakes and boost. As you said, it doesn't matter now but what if it does later? I'd imagine being overweight could possibly play a role with how your ship functions overall. You could find yourself putting all of the power resource pool to the engines just to operate normally... And if you take any of that resource pool away, components start tearing up within a small window of time. This means you'll get that extra cargo but you'll be flying vulnerable. Low weapons and low shield regen. Heck, it could even be illegal and if you're caught, you get a ticket or worse, you get grounded until you are compliant.
Sometimes you just find some randomly lost cargo which seems to belong to no one.
Than it is good to know if you can take two or three of this 32scu container with SLAM.
@@FalconDS9someones a hater. I can think of plenty of practical situations id be happy to risk not accessing SOME components in order to fit the most possible loot in my ship, especially while flying solo anyways. And for "playing tetris", even putting aside some of us enjoy that, i can happilly wait for auto loading whike doung other stuff :)
Max might need a redesign
Finally, a comparison between two actual competing ships. I was getting tired of all the Zeus/C1 comp. vids. Two completely different class ships cargo wise. FatMax and Zeus are where it's at. Don't get me wrong, C1 is an alright ship, no Cutty mind you, but let's stick with apples to apples. This from a FatMax lover and proud owner from all the way back to the original Freelancer hauling commercial. It's what sold me on the SC dream!
Indeed ❤
Hell yeah
This really higlights the need for us to be able to rearrange box sizes to better match the ship we have on hand
The main advantage of the lancer max is it can fit an ursa rover. The CL can't due to the entrance.
Max is also supposed to have better engines and armor, but since Zeus just release, its stats are slightly too op.
I'm wondering if you can put one of the mining rovers in the zuas i know the max and cutty black can
That was the great in-depth video about the cargo capacity of those two ships which I was looking for!
We may not have exploration in the game yet, but thankfully, we have people like you who are willing to "explore" the limits of the game and ships !
Great video but I'm keeping my FL Max. 😎👍👍
Thanks, this is the video I’ve been waiting for.
Fun with Science! I managed to get a Cyclone, a Roc, an ATLS, a Pulse LX, an X1 Velocity plus 18scu of cargo into the back of the CL. I still had a 1scu passage from the cargo ramp to the door (the railing can be vaulted over, of course), so add another 24scu if you are going to use the ladder! I really like the Zeus Mk2 CL. Thanks Foxy 😁👍
That's a lot of stuff you stuffed in, good job!
@@cpt_foxyloxy Thank you Foxy, it was a fun bit of science of my own.
Even though the Freelancer Max carries a bit less, it is also hampered by having that little airlock room where you were supposed to put six more SCU. But only 1 SCU boxes fit through the door. Hopefully when the Freelancers finally gets a rework to be up to modern standards, they do away with that little airlock room.
You can also get 2 SCU boxes through the door.
@@onsberg honestly I haven't tried to put anything in that airlock since all we had was one SCU boxes! 😆
Even though you're putting things off the Freelancer's grid, you can probably get the same results putting them ON the grid and getting them locked down! A slight plus over the Zeus where you have to put things off the grid.
Thanks Foxy bro! really appreciate your time and effort showing capacity for these ships.... your humor is awesome! I can comfortably get 168 in the Freelancer Max when buying and selling commodities so can choose between box sizes to get every inch of room lol ... ALL off grid I use 6 x 16scu, 20 x 4scu, 8 x 2scu = 192 scu !!!! yeehaa. And that's not including the silly middle cargo room that is through the stupid door you can get an extra 12 Ish in there but takes too long to get cargo through the little door lol ...Who knows what the New Freelancer Max will be like if they change it or not... it's looking very old now next to all these newer ships etc.
Would love to get the Zeus CL for a day and see what the maximum scu is etc. because it's a lovely looking modern ship! maybe more room in front of the hand rail thing etc
Alot are mentioning if boxes will get damaged off grid or and ship component access problems etc. yes, these are things in future we will find out, lets enjoy the ride together
There is another compartment to put storage in in the FL Max as well.
although I do a little cargo running from time to time this topic does not interest me so much but love the idea of "what will fit" and I find ur videos funny as hell for some reason at 5:30 in the morning 😂👍🏻
Foxy!
I have made a discovery: the Zeus ES can carry 62.5 SCU on its cargo grid (only available if you use 1/8 SCU boxes. 10x10x5 for 500 boxes on the grid).
Wondering about other ships (especially the CL though I don't own one).
good discovery
6:17 "That's what he said...".
That Tetris game evolved a lot for sure! 😂
I'm just glad that the Max is not exploding from all those containers colliding.
And... N'Ursa? 🥰
Also, the ladder is no longer a mass murderer. The long time owners will recognize themselves 😏
love this and how you did it
You should be able to snap all three. Is you out the box on the port side against the wall.
Great video
I have an FMAX, old is gold...what would be the avantage of going the Zeus route, i have not studied the ships/ stats...main reason i was sold on it gosh over 10 yrs ago now...was it is the largest and fastest ship that can go through a small gat i believe..not sure if that is still relevant. Like a blockade runner. looking at MM, everything is just too slow now.
It would be great if the Hangars would get some more space like little landing pads on the sides to land ships up to medium size.
Thanks for what you do love your videos
Thanks for watching!
I know this is not a good comparison, but how many 32 scu can a corsair fit off grid?
Same comparison with Starlancer please ?
Can you do the same video for the Cutlass Black please…?! Maybe against the standard Freelancer?
I can hear them fighting a little ‘over space’ 😂
You can fit 14 X 8 boxes by putting the last on the ramp 👍
The only issue is, when it comes to multirole game-play, having it off grid is going to interfere with getting to the components to be fixed. I don't think that would be a good idea to do.
Hover bikes work well when trying to get in to ship you have parked oddly. The lift height of them is rather good and can get even higher when lifting off from ships
They should provide 2*2*3 aka 12 SCU box to simplify filling the third rows on many ships. And probably 2*4*3 aka 24 SCU boxes also. Moreover.
CIG if you are reading the comments good. FIX the damn side door of the Freelancer MAX so we can exit the ship through it.
This vid has totally convinced me to get a Taurus. 😂😂😂
So, finally you learned something about mathemathics 😜😉
lol
Interresting but I bet CIG has plans for "off grid" stuff making problems (or big problems) during flight in the future ;)
Tip - if you want loading to be way easier, dont get bigger containers than 8scu.
This video is only to test boxes bigger than 8 SCU, because during Hauling missions, most of the boxes we got are 8 SCU, higher ranked will have 16 and then 32 scu. This is the purpose, and I already did a video putting only 1 scu boxes into the CL.
Very cool. So what are the problems with off grid cargo? Chance of blowing up or can’t seek or something?
Atm, nothing is wrong with off grid. Some times you get clipping if the physics are being wonky. Eventaly you will have thrust and fuel issues with an over loaded ship.
I've run into a few issues with off grid. Specifically with Salvage on the reclaimer. Stocked the cargo full and the hold below the processing room and stacked the processing center and I could only sell what was on grid in the processing area. Had to run back 4 or 5 times to off load it all because I had to keep moving it all back. The processing room honestly barely hold 240. Whatever the max salvage is before making boxes. Kinda sad really.
One day the ship would not be able to fly at all or in average way if the capacity of the ship will be surpassed
I respect your efforts, but do you have an "aversion" to 2 SCU containers to fully load the ships? That would show how much effort is needed....! For my part, I'm currently testing the hauling missions with these "odd" numbers, where 2 SCU and/or one SCU containers are included, especially the one SCU´s are a "pain in the ass" of a special kind when you try to fill the holes with "TETRIS TACTICS" without all the others being diced up
Check this out: ua-cam.com/video/3tENuuQGbes/v-deo.html
But 32s aren't useful, right? Station cargo elevators won't have them.
I am.bearing on PTU they nerfed the C1 cargo grid to only allow 2 32, and not the one in the middle. Check that out
C1 has always been 2x32, people just realised that the space in the middle was probably accidentally 32scu sized so you could technically fit a third but it would block being able to exit the ship and also wouldnt be attached to the grid
I don't understand how the Zeus CL is supposed to carry 128SCU when it would need to hold FOUR 32SCU boxes and we can't fit that in there. Highest I've counted watching you stuff the boxes in is 112SCU. Makes me think you're supposed to stack more boxes on top of the 32SCU boxes.
That's how most medium range cargo ships grids work, they're usually 3 1SCU boxes tall. Freelancers, Taurus, Zeus CL, MSR, Corsair all have this grid height so you have big 2 height boxes with smaller 1 height boxes on top of them.
Just shows how great the C1 Spirit is
huh???
Thats true. But it also shows how great the Freelancer MAX is and how great the Zeus CL is.
I really do like all of them with theire pros and cons.
Great...not so much, it is if its all you can afford i suppose, nice Warbond paints
@@davewills148 It's not all that I can afford, it's just all that I'm willing to spend on a game.
The C1’s grid shape and size might be the perfect compromise between these two ships. It’s 96 SCU fast and easy every time.
Ok, so with the way you load your ships I have one question. What will you do once one of the components causes a fire? (because that is something that is coming very soon)
If there is a fire you can vent it out in space by opening your doors. Always wear a space suit and problem solved.
Completely filling a cargo ship off grid has the downside of extra time and effort, but not this issue.
not much point in keeping the cargobay pressurised during flight anyway. With Engineering you will be able to vent the atmosphere out of individual rooms on your ship which puts out fires and reduces wear and consumption on your life support systems. Repairing components is a whole different story of course, especially since some of the crucial ones are in the back.
@@BizzMRK Makes sense. I wonder if they will find a way to prevent players from just depressurising whole ship aside from the pilot cabin
I would have rather seen what fit on the actual cargo grid, and that includes the secondary cargo room of the MAX.
Doors too small to get boxes in there most the time at least quickly.
Even tho I really like it I think if that platform in the cargo area takes up a lot of space lol
so the cargo BAY can fit 3x32 SCU boxes, but the cargo GRID cant? For all the work they put into this ship, they sure do miss the ball on a few of these simple things.
they didnt miss anything. still need to get into the components and swap/fix them. thats why they didnt make them bigger
Hell yeah 😎
Sorry but who thought this large staircase and railing right in the center there would be a good idea in the CL… it‘s NOT.
mybe the same person who made the rails of the freelancer block the cargohold :D. at least both have a second entrance. last time in the spirit i had to kill myself to get out because the tractor beam of the ship did not work. cargo full to the top
(Sarcasm incoming) Yes, why can't we block access to the components with Engineering coming . . . . with *FIRE* and *EXPLODING* Power Plants when critically damaged and not repaired. Gib extra 39scu of cargo grid!! lol
It certainly didn't have to be as wide of a walkway up those few stairs as it is either
one of these can carry an Ursa and a Fury together , one can not
100%
I really like how your vids end nowerdays.
Just quit in the middle of a sentence. I do like that.
Im really hoping that cargo not snapped to the cargo grind suffers a serve penalty in the future; perhaps destroying the cargo or damaging the ship. What is the point of having cargo grids at all if this isn’t the case.
Same for cramming vehicles into cargo bays. There’s needs to be a way to secure them or they (and the ship) suffer damage and potential loss.
If you do any cargo transport, you would know that the cargo grids are in many ships really stupit. Some could fit 50% more without blocking anything. Connies can fit even 100% more if you overload. And dont come me with bla bla that is stupit. In IRL we overload vehicles all the time, why would we not do the same thing when Space Ships are like cars today.
freelancer max can have the Ursa drive through its rear door
lmao feels like the main focus here is on the Zeus. Might be some slight bias involved
Freelancer not so Max now is it? xD
Tetris SC edition 😂
Not much point in putting cargo offgrid on the Zeus since you can stack cargo 3 scu high on the grid, meaning you already get your 3rd 32 scu container that way in anyway without blocking off access to the ship components. 3x 32 scu containers are certainly the much faster option though.
The narrow door is a deal breaker for me. Not only making it harder to load stuff but Max can take the Nursa.
thats true...also the remote turret on the bottom is not much better than the MAX-turret (which will be buffed to size3 weapons)
But, the zeuss looks so much better.
Why would you want the roc DS at all ? Like wtf 😂😂
lol...just answer a viewer's question
ROC-DS is the superior ROC by a large margin. The only real issue with it is its size, so that's probably why someone asked.
If you know you know. If you don't you probably still just regurgitate the whole "ROC-DS is terrible" lie.
@@Desrtfox71 sure white knight, good try tou
This is not fun gameplay, why can't we have our cargo preloaded.
Are you kidding this is gorgeous gameplay
Did you test what will happened with lose cargo containers in flight ? Rember that you can now damage your components ;) And what about fire when engineering comes in.
This test has no use...
If there is a fire you can vent it out in space by opening your doors. Always wear a space suit and problem solved.
Completely filling a cargo ship off grid has the downside of extra time and effort, but not this issue.
This test is valuable to anyone that wants to fully utilize their ship with time on their side.
👍
o7
I hate that cargo gameplay so much :(
The MAX wins
Cool ship vs ugly ass ship
Its a big box, there are bigger, star citizen is 1st a game, not a day job.
But you can fit a ursa in the ugly ship.
@@throdwobblermangrove6200 true
@@throdwobblermangrove6200 two of them actually