Everybody is whining about the Staccato not being drop safe when all series 70 pistols will fire when dropped on their muzzle. If you want drop safe get a series 80 then everyone will whine cause the crappy trigger. Nothing new to the gun community but if you don’t know you don’t know.
Oh Sig definitely knows exactly what's causing it. They also know it would cost money to fix and they'd rather give that money to influencers to convince us there's nothing wrong.
They know if they admit there's a problem it destroys their reputation forever. At least sweeping it under the rug fools some of the industry. The rumors aren't enough to take them down, but an admission would be.
My 320 blew. Took out right side of frame, extractor. Yes. The problem is the barrel. To much of the case exposed. There have been many pictures of bulged factory loaded ammo fired from the 320. A case with a thin spot on the back will then rupture and then $@;()@. Sig will not change the design of the barrel to get the case more supported because that would be an admission of a defect and open them to many more lawsuits. You should not have to buy a aftermarket barrel to make the gun “safe”.
That’s what I did, got a norsso barrel and slide, much better tolerances so that doesn’t happen I should also add that I got those parts just cause I wanted to make a nice 320 build from the ground up and not cause I wanted to replace the oem parts just so it doesnt blow up. I've also never personally seen any 320 blow up before ever but every1 in my group shoots pretty consistent ammo like pmc and blazer.
If they are having this problem with 9mm you'd think a 357 SIG or 10mm would be worse because of increased pressures l have 3 SIG P320s 2 - 9mm 1 - 357 SIG / 40SW combo haven't had a single problem but I'm not saying l won't
Grayguns did a video on this. Completely debunked. He removed the locking block and removed even more chamber support and still couldn’t get a blown case. I personally got a bad back of ammo that was over pressured. Shot 40 rounds before realizing it from the popped primers. No blown cases. Until someone can replicate the malfunction in a controlled test environment. I’m going to say it’s the ammo.
Another Sig Bites the Dust: Verse 1 Steve’s walks warily onto the range. Sig and Serpa hang’n low Loads a round sump'in strange Another Sig that’s ready to blow Are you ready? Hey Are you ready for Bruce? Blamin ammo from the edge of his seat? Out through the thigh the bullets rip To the sound of the beat, yeah Chorus Another Sig bites the dust Another Sig bites the dust And another one blown, and another one blown Another Sig bites the dust (yeah) Sig, is gonna shoot you too Another Sig bites the dust Verse 2 How do you think I’m gonna get along, Without a SIG that’s safe and strong? I guess I’m gonna have to get Glock, But that just feels wrong. Are you happy Ron, are you satisfied? How much can you cut the check? Out through the Serpa the bullets rip It's like watching a trainwreck, look out Another Sig bites the dust Another Sig bites the dust And another one blown, and another one blown Another Sig bites the dust (yeah) Sig, is gonna shoot you too Another Sig bites the dust
I'm on a military shooting team and we had the right slide release bar on an M-17 break off the FCU in the middle of a match at the WPW Championship. We have a bunch of issues with the rear sight plates too. I love Sig ergonomics but they have a serious quality control issue. Really wish they would fix all of this.
M-17,while at NTC, blew off the slide from the frame. It was an OOB fire. It went off before it was fully chambered but it was right after it took a round from the magazines.
Don’t get married to your 320’s. They’re just like women. Once you stick to one it’ll blow up. Keep your options open and your 320 will continue to work hard to not let itself go.
@@timd729 no. Take it out. Play with it. Use it. Show it love. Let it know you love it but every year there are 5 others just like it but with different assets and eventually there will be a super model version of it that will come with admission to an exclusive club so it better not fuck up or you’ll get join the legion.
@@timd729 never had a single issue with the three I own. Not a FTF, FTE or any other issue. My grip prevents the slide lock from engaging, that's a me issue due to having long fingers. Dropped my X-Compact numerous times fully loaded, nothing
I've seen multiple case heads let go on Glocks and XD's, neither of those blew the frame apart. To be fair the polymer on the Glocks is spec'd to be soft enough to withstand that and all the Croatian stuff is all overbuilt. The polymer on the P320 feels harder in my hands and subsequently could be more brittle. Seen quite a few of those grip modules shattered like glass now that the gun has been around a minute.
I was at a pistol match 2 years ago (last one I’ve been to) and was arguing sig vs Glock with a friend of mine on the way. During my run a sig in the next bay exploded. That was a good ride home lol
As a sigger myself I recommend watching Bruce grays video on this topic he ran multiple tests on 320s that he modified to shoot out of battery and he went as far as removing material in the chamber wall so there was even less chamber support his conclusion was that 320’s are blowing up from over pressured ammo and not from out of battery detonation and poor chamber support, but this is a sample size of one so you never know until someone else runs some more experiments
Yeah he made the gun fire absurdly out of battery and with hardly any chamber wall support and shot a variety of ammo including +p and found no case expansion and showed it in his video, but u missed the part where I said this is a sample size of one. Robert Burke is confident enough to make the sport disconnector for the 320 saying the gun is firing out of battery but showed no testing. I’m not defending the 320 but it is interesting that a pistol smith like Bruce gray ran experiments on the gun made a video recorded his results and posted it. Which no else has, so far everyone else has just said the gun fires out of battery and explodes because of poor design but can never explain the poor design because they have no idea what they are talking about.
I've heard people say be aware of unusual recoil and never understood what that meant until I experienced a ruptured case with my P320CA. I have a bad batch of .40 ammo bought on Jan. 2021 directly from Buffalo bore labeled 23F/20-40 S&W OUTDOORSMAN Std Pressure Low Flash Pistol and Handgun Ammo. It's anything but "Std" pressure and low flash. Some rounds are so far out of spec that it won't drop into the chamber without a bit of force. Best way I can describe the recoil, felt more like a sideways or twisting motion instead of a vertical impulse. 1st round felt ok, 2nd felt odd and impacted very off. 3rd round ruptured case, powder flakes/gas shot out from between the slide rails and frame at my forehead, blew off the extractor. Sig fixed it however I purchased an aftermarket barrel. Conclusion is that bad tolerances of both the barrel and ammo are to blame. One being slightly off might be fine 99.9% of the time but when both are out of spec, you'll end up with something comparable to a proof load.
@@ETmyAz I agree that barrel needs more chamber wall support even all my old 226 & 229 and even my new legion 229 has more case support than the p320 barrel. Fact of the matter is that yes it’s a ammo problem but ur gun should be able to handle hot ammo without self destructing being a issue unless its a absurd double load the barrel should be able to handle hot loads like most other production duty grade pistols. So yes it’s both ammo and the barrel to blame in my opinion.
its so strange to have a company go this many years and this many headlines NOT addressing something mechanical. i'm imagining if the issues with the first M9s just never got addressed, and if beretta just said "skill issue" to the US army. it's wild. if the toolshed aftermarket has actually solved the problem, it's an indictment of sig who has much more resources and should have solved it first.
I think the Sigga apologists are more likely to trick out their 320s (barrel included) which is why this happens more often to A) cops or departments that can’t modify their guns or B) competitors that are using higher end 320s with Sig USA still the barrel OEM. Also might explain why there’s always a divide in the comments of non 320 owners slamming it and the Siggas (with after market parts) claiming no issues.
Of course there is a divide. People that dont own them have no credibility whatsoever because they dont have experience to talk. People buy based off of the companies consumer reviews, track record, support, etc, and no amount of fantasies you drum up in your head will stop one from succeeding unless their product is proven a total failure. Key word here, "proven"
MY Sig P320 is bone stock. I haven't changed a single thing on it... not even the sights. It literally has the exact same parts on it that it had when I purchased it. I've put close to 8,000 rounds through it. I've dropped it once or twice. I carry it every single day of my life. I've even ran +P ammo in it. It's NEVER had the first problem. Not one jam, not one misfire, not one negligent discharge, not one exploding frame, not a single failure to feed, nothing. It's literally been the most reliable gun I've ever owned. I've seen Sig P320s test by MANY reputable channels and they have never had one fail a single test. Meanwhile, I've seen Glocks jam, have failure to feed issues, randomly drop the mags without the mag release being touched, etc. You are a Glock fan... and that's fine. Everyone has a right to their own preferences... but when I have seen and experienced first hand the reliability of my Sig P320... and witnessed several different models of Glocks FAIL... make no mistake... I'd trust my life to my Sig long before I would trust ANY Glock on the market. Granted, my sample size is a sample of 1, but I prefer to trust what I see with my own 2 eyes than trust those who have a reason to lie about why their Sig failed, had a negligent discharge, or blew up. Case in point... I've seen videos where an officer claims him gun randomly fired on him while he was getting out of his patrol car with it in his hand. After going frame by frame through the video... what I discovered was one single frame where you could CLEARLY see the officer's finger was on the trigger. I saw another video where an officer's Sig P320 supposedly fired while it was in the officer's holster and he was wrestling with a suspect and bumping into another officer in the process. After going through the video frame by frame... what we see is the officer's holster was a Safari Land. These holsters are known to be problematic because there is a gap between the frame of the firearm and the holster which could allow small objects like... oh... I don't know... keys... to enter the holster and potentially engage the trigger. And what did the officer that was bumped into have hanging on his belt at the precise spot where the "offending" Sig bumped into him? A set of keys!!! Another video claims to show a guy at a firing range that has a Sig randomly fire when being drawn from the holster. But upon closer inspection what we see is the holster he was using had a release mechanism on the side that required the shooter to release it by applying pressure with his index finger. Further testing on that exact same holster showed that because of that mechanism and the way it was designed... it increased the likelihood that the shooter's finger would slide off the holster release and actually contact the trigger causing an unintended discharge. The bottom line is that most of the shit talking I've seen about Sig P320s and the claims of unintended discharges fall apart upon closer inspection. But it's much easier for an officer or an "expert shooter" to claim the firearm somehow failed than it is for them to admit they screwed up and accept responsibility for their own actions. My suspicion is, if the officer in this story were to be completely truthful, he was probably running low quality ammo that has little to no quality control and an over charged round found it's way into the chamber of his firearm. In fact, the guy admits to using Wolf brand ammo which is absolutely KNOWN to have quality control issues. Buy cheap ammo with shitty quality control and shit like this will absolutely happen... even to the best built firearms in the world... just saying...
@@XRKNIFEANDTOOL One only has to do a google search. He is the first hit when I did a search glock 40 blowing up: I blew up my glock 27 three times [Archive] 58 posts Mar 22, 2007 READ THIS ABOUT A GLOCK .40 BLOW-UP! [Archive] 35 posts Nov 30, 2000 Any problems with .40 going off/blowing up? [Archive] 58 posts Nov 12, 2004
@@XRKNIFEANDTOOL Just do a google search. I blew up my glock 27 three times [Archive] 58 posts Mar 22, 2007 READ THIS ABOUT A GLOCK .40 BLOW-UP! [Archive] 35 posts Nov 30, 2000 Any problems with .40 going off/blowing up? [Archive] 58 posts Nov 12, 2004
The SIG armorer has an incredible video about what causes these out of battery explosions. Honestly, sig should implement his kit that fixes the issue in every factory going forward the fact that they haven’t openly discussed this is actually crazy to me. Borderline criminal if I had to guess.
That's what I'm saying lol Siggas talk so much shit about how you have to modify a Glock to make it perfect but atleast I don't need an aftermarket barrel to make sure my gun doesn't literally detonate lmao
I carried a Gen3 G17 for 24 years as LE. Thousands upon thousands of rounds. Never an issue. I have literally seen 320s on the range for our dept quals do all sorts of crazy things. Never saw one blow up
Why would someone be picking the 320 over a P10 or glock at this point? No redeeming qualities on the sig other than it says Sig Sauer on it, until that part blows up…
They in denial have dumb fanboys who will see it happen then go buy 12 high price for no reason they gone keep going long as they have a delusional fan base
@@catalystactual6491 I think it might be more legally damning if it came out that they knew of the issue and did nothing to prevent it. Granted, from my understanding since introduction there have been dozens of rolling changes to the guns, with some parts even receiving multiple changes. A theory a friend of mine has is that there may be an issue with certain updated parts not playing well with certain other parts, either older iteration, or new iteration causing continued issues. There is also the theory that the issues are primarily due to the 320 not being a ground up design, but a striker fired redesign of the 250. Or it could be something completely different, I don't know. I really don't have a dog in the race, I'm just here for the violence.
Why should Sig care when they seem to have someone on the inside of the US military getting them contracts? P320 over G19X shouldn't have happened. XM7 replacing the M4 shouldn't have happened either. 🤔
@chairmanbrando glock should have listened to what the contract asked for but as usual they try n make folks take what they make military showed them what civilians won't WE NOT BUYING IT
My P320 KB'd with Prvi M882 on the first outing. The mag shot out, ejector went BYE!, and the grip module cracked. When I examined the brass, every single case was bulged. The diagnosis was early unlocking before the bullet exited the muzzle.
Thanks for your great videos! Love watching them and FOR them. Learn from you and you’re funny, not just interesting. Also thanks for the info on the parts..I have a few with factory barrels I’ll now replace, disconnector great idea. JUST in case lol.
I had a different gun blow up on me once shooting factory ammo. It was an FNP-45. It was known to have an unsupported chamber, hence why they came out with the FNX-45. There have been quite a few that have went Kaboom. When i contacted them, they took the gun back no questions asked and gave me a brand new FNX in return.
i bought a P320 AXG Classic. I made my own leather holster for it, which covers the trigger completely. I have about 1000 rounds through the pistol and it has not malfunctioned once it has not fired itself once without me, pulling the trigger and it has not blown up. I am not an armor, but I have watched mini videos about this gun. The drop safety issue was real, but has been fixed and my pistol was purchased after they made the change to the disconnect. It has performed flawlessly so far.
I reload so I paid very close attention to my cases. X5legion brass aren't any different than any of my other guns. No bulges. ReSizes with same effort. Ive seen some nasty glocked brass. Cases out of the legion look nothing like those.
There is a 360 degree rolled funnel around the chamber mouth of the p320 barrel, at least in the 9mm i owned. I ball mic'd it after i had this concentric bulge from a box of dangerously overpressured ammo i bought. If it ruptures there and vents at the extractor that would make sense if there is some space there. I dont have a p320 barrel handy now but I'd go back and take a look at those 2 spots. Hope this helps
Here's an anecdote. My P320 dirties up my optics SO fast, like after 200 rounds fast. My Glocks might go a thousand before I feel like I need to wipe the soot off my optic. Are P320s opening up before pressure is down at a safe level? Who knows.
My X5 Legion covered my Holosun Comp with carbon after one mag. Turns out the required LCI for CA (or more accurately, Sig's design of it) causes this issue, and Sig will replace the barrel. They replaced it by mail very quickly, and I haven't shot it with the new barrel, but online discussions indicate that that fixes it. Unfortunately it also makes my X5 non-compliant, so if I ever had to send it for warranty work, it would need to be FFLed.
A good indicator as to what causes these blow ups will be the case of the cartridge. Early 40/10mm glocks had poorly supported chambers. I had an early g20 blow up in my hand. The case head failed at the feed ramp. Locked the pistol up. Shot the mag out the bottom. Peppered my face with gunpowder. Felt like someone smashed my hand with a baseball bat. But the pistol lived. Wolf barrel solved the problem.
On a note about the military P320s exploding one thing that could be an issue is 9mm ammo for the military is a bit higher pressure than civilian ammo. It's about what +p ammo would be. Now a military gun should be able to handle it since that is the expectation, but maybe at least for those ones its an explanation. Now the others I got nothing
Glocked Brass is a term from the swollen ring of unsupported brass left too low on the case for typical sizing dies to put back in place. Glock guns blow up just like the Sigs. Glock of course blames reloads but most PDs don't shoot reloads. Oddly, my 2 Sig P320s don't leave the ring of shame on the brass. I do however have to bulge bust nearly every 40S&W case I find at the range as most of them are fired by Glocks. Wolf ammo...whew! I've seen it do a job on a couple ARs.
Siggas always wanna talk about how glock owners by a glock and put $400 bucks in it to make it shoot able.... My brother in christ you have to put $400 bucks in to make sure your sig doesn't blow your balls off when you carry appendix. And then they drop more money on better frames the irony is just chef kisses.
"A P320 could be near", he thought to himself, glancing around the gas station. "It's just handloaders being dumb, right? Sure." "Yeah that and just dumb joes not cleaning their guns. Phew." "With a P320, you can explode anytime," he said aloud.
You should demo the out of battery trigger pull before and after the switch to the Sig Armorer disconnector. I noticed a big difference. I think I'm going with the KKM barrel.
Did the P250 have the same reports of blowing up as the 320? As far as I know, they have the same slides and barrels, but I also don't think they sold that many of them
I wonder if the US Army / USMC will get them to retro-fit? Where would this gun be in market if they hadn't adopted it? I heard (before my time) that Beretta had to retro fit the M9's.
The problem for the M9 was some of them were being sent SMG grade ammo to use that caused the guns to beat themselves to pieces. They adjusted some stuff to strengthen the gun but ultimately it was the ammo causing the issue.
I just can't do the P320 thing. Sold mine. Too much smoke around the system. I also can't stomach spending $600 on the gun only to have to add another $250 in parts to keep it from blowing up. Don't get me started on the $50 mags. Too many other better and safer choices out there. Thanks for the informative videos, Ben. Subscribed & liked.
Hmmmm... plenty of other pistola designs with "unsupported" barrels have been running for decades without problems. I would definitely be looking into out of battery possibilities, which the disco may solve. Dunno, either way it does tend to make one be shy about the 320. Hope it all gets resolved, and quickly, because Sig definitely makes some fine pieces.
I noticed that the 226 encloses the case even more so than the Glock. Hence the 226 will hiccup more on less than perfect reloads than the Glock. My thought at least. Wonder if these failures will become more prevalent with wear fatigue of the polymers over the years ?
I have a bunch of P320’s . A variety of OEM and aftermarket grip modules . Standard and Xseries competition slides etc. Mine haven’t had a blow out after 10’s of thousands of rounds with any factory ammo or my properly specced competition reloads. I have seen an X5 Legion blow out once with buddy’s suspect reloads . I do know that certain factory ammo with OAL inconsistencies like Winchester White box have caused blowouts. I still feel good about the platform based on my experience starting in 2021. And no - none of mine have fired on their own lol ! Not an Sig fan boy - have lots of other pistols but these just suit my style for competition primarily.
I’m confused. So sig won’t accept accountability and pretty much dismiss the issue, but they drop a sport disconnect to fix the issue? Isn’t that pretty much admitting, If so, why not just recall the whole damn thing? Please break this down Barney style.
@@mattfillmore4808 No, after hearing abou this issue on more than a few occasions. Preferably I wouldn't want to hear about this type of failure...at all.
What I find amazing is you hardly see any of the gun tuber shills talk about this major issue with Sig. They have no problem making videos dunking on Smith and Wesson because the front grip panel makes a noise when you tap it, an easy problem to fix if they didn't already have their Anti-Smith blinders on. Or that the 2 month old Metal Carry Comp has a slide lock issue on the very first generation sent to these shills for free, also an extremely easy thing to fix but that doesn't jive with their love of Glock and knocking down of anything that is not Glock. I am done with most of the gun tubers, these guys are shills that do not give us good information. There is a handful out there like you that give us accurate information on what is going on with these firearms. Thank you for being honest and real with us.
If you want to buy a top tier barrel that isn't full drop in, Bar-Sto is probably one of the top pistol barrels you can get. You choose Custom Fit or Semi Fit... Don't take my word for it, just ask around or research. I am not aware of any issues with their barrels. Further... there are plenty of companies that can make very good barrels for many mainstream pistols, but Bar-Sto is a step beyond any I have dealt with as they are comfortable making caliber conversion barrels for different systems that no one else does... they have made me custom conversions they don't list. From a machinist perspective and a custom engineering perspective, the Bar-Sto barrels I have fit, used, and shot, have been exceptional. Better than KKM? Yes, but only because the KKM barrels are designed to drop in. I have several of each with many rounds. I buy them for accuracy as a target shooter. My favorite example is one they did for my Glock G40... a Semi-fit 357Sig conversion barrel (6") It is used on silhouette out to 175 yards.
I rushed to the safe to check the 320 after watching this. And for once my tinkering has paid off. When I first got this baddie, I shoved a dremmel down the pipe. My thinking is we all have to die and why not do everything. Now the case seats flush or at least at the same level of the HK's(fair comparison?). Maybe that's why it keeps running and why I still have my Twitter fingers.
I didn’t have a blowup but I did have a serious jam with a round on my Sig P320 AXG. I was using 124 gr ammo. Not sure if it was the ammo, Troy ammo, or not. I had several no fires although there were good strikes.
This issue is enough to prevent me from buying one of these guns or recommending one to anyone.. It is absurd to buy a firearm which the customer must then modify to have a safe handgun. This is absurd. Don't buy them until Sig fixes them---period.
The Sig 320 is a military specified 9mm NATO spec firearm just like the Beretta M9 before it. That being said, it's not going to FULLY chamber ANY 9x19 cartridge which is NATO spec in dimension. I said cartridge and not bullet, because there are a lot of 9x19 ammunition available 124 grain but there is almost an infinite number of different bullets being used in the cartridge. So while two 9x19 cartridges say 124 grain on the box, due to two different bullets being used by two different manufactures, one cartridge will dropped easily into the chamber while the other will stick out slightly. If the slide still moves into battery even though the cartridge isn't fully seated, you get this story you are telling. I bet Sig has a list of ammunition manufactures they recommend getting ammunition from, most people don't give this a second thought. I say all this because I have first hand experience finding this out the after I purchased a specific ammunition in 9mm and figured why it wouldn't chamber fully. I bet you'll never have this particular problem with Winchester 9mm NATO because Winchester has been the US Army's ammunition plant operator for decades......they know which 9mm BULLET dimensions work and which don't these military chamber spec firearms.
@@thinkingman6648 Yeah I've shot plenty of shit-tier 9mm and have never had a hot round literally explode my gun, I also don't own Sigs so there's probably some correlation there
@@turnermd1302 You're a bandwagon bum. No experience with the brand, talk like you know what's going on, but really have no clue. Feminine energy......
I'm not a competitive shooter, but in all my time around guns I've only heard of AR blowing up while shooting with friends(wrong ammo for the receiver 5.56 in a .223). What other guns are known to explode/fail drop tests as frequently as SIGs?
What did the department expect for a $500.00 Sig P320? Maybe the “Custom Works” Sig P320 is inline with department regulations. As for Sig barrels… Sig sizes its ammunition for its guns. Compare Sig hollow points next to other manufacturers hollow points. You'll see Sig ammunition is shorter than other brands.
I own 3 sig 516s. 2 14.5 in and one FDE 16 inch for parts. Sig does not sell parts for the gun and I will never own another sig of any kind. Particularly a 320 pistol.
Have there been any reports of the XTen models having these issues? Have one I originally intended to carry when hunting/in the woods, but have hesitated to carry it out of concern over the random discharges and/or explosions.
Just need to rechamber a little deeper very common when fitting a barrel takes five minutes. If case sticks out and primer not seated all the way it could detonate before lock up ?
@@nated8263 US Army and Air Force. Read about the Modular Handgun System Competition. Glock and Sig were the finalists. Normally the finalists undergo Production Verification Testing which includes things like endurance testing (20 something thousand rounds) and environmental tests. Instead of doing that, they just selected Sig as the winner. Totally abnormal considering the testing the M1911 and M9 went through before they were adopted.
@@nated8263 what are you expecting? I can’t post links and PDFs. The Modular Handgun System (MHS) competition is all you need to search for. If your Google skills aren’t up to that then I don’t know what to tell you. Go watch a video on it.
Interesting, I know of the drop safe issues, I’ve seen OOBD and what not. I’m wanting to get the full size upper and trigger to put into an FCU X01 chassis, I’m guessing I should go another route?
"I've been hit in the face with exploding Sig on more than one occasion."
- Ben Siggler
Lol
Man that Sig check bounced HARD didn't it 🤣
Most of Sig's money is tied up in safety lawsuits, that's why it bounced, lol!
Sigs blowing up to the right, staccatos going off when dropped to the left, stuck in the middle with you lmao
the difference is one is supposed to be a modern "striker" fired firearm and one is based off a 110+ year old design
Great comment 😂
Everybody is whining about the Staccato not being drop safe when all series 70 pistols will fire when dropped on their muzzle. If you want drop safe get a series 80 then everyone will whine cause the crappy trigger. Nothing new to the gun community but if you don’t know you don’t know.
@@RetARMYjohnfactual information
Poorly made is poorly made. Neither system is new or experimental.
“I’m about to bust!” - Sig P320
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Oh Sig definitely knows exactly what's causing it. They also know it would cost money to fix and they'd rather give that money to influencers to convince us there's nothing wrong.
They know if they admit there's a problem it destroys their reputation forever. At least sweeping it under the rug fools some of the industry. The rumors aren't enough to take them down, but an admission would be.
(((Chohen))) knows
Sounds like what the government does every day...
My whole family made fun of me for going with the glock 19x instead of that 720 dollar pistols
@@Detroittruckdoctor55to each their own !
My 320 blew. Took out right side of frame, extractor. Yes. The problem is the barrel. To much of the case exposed. There have been many pictures of bulged factory loaded ammo fired from the 320. A case with a thin spot on the back will then rupture and then $@;()@. Sig will not change the design of the barrel to get the case more supported because that would be an admission of a defect and open them to many more lawsuits. You should not have to buy a aftermarket barrel to make the gun “safe”.
That’s what I did, got a norsso barrel and slide, much better tolerances so that doesn’t happen
I should also add that I got those parts just cause I wanted to make a nice 320 build from the ground up and not cause I wanted to replace the oem parts just so it doesnt blow up. I've also never personally seen any 320 blow up before ever but every1 in my group shoots pretty consistent ammo like pmc and blazer.
Didn't glock have an "unsupported" chamber, but doesn't have a problem? How is it sig got this wrong?
@@mghegotagun probably to the degree of the tolerances? The Glock Atleast from what I’ve always seen had much better positive barrel lockup
If they are having this problem with 9mm you'd think a 357 SIG or 10mm would be worse because of increased pressures l have 3 SIG P320s 2 - 9mm 1 - 357 SIG / 40SW combo haven't had a single problem but I'm not saying l won't
Grayguns did a video on this. Completely debunked. He removed the locking block and removed even more chamber support and still couldn’t get a blown case. I personally got a bad back of ammo that was over pressured. Shot 40 rounds before realizing it from the popped primers. No blown cases. Until someone can replicate the malfunction in a controlled test environment. I’m going to say it’s the ammo.
Sig makes some very nice "experimental" weapons.
But I prefer to buy weapons that are not in their "customer vetting" stage!
Another Sig Bites the Dust:
Verse 1
Steve’s walks warily onto the range.
Sig and Serpa hang’n low
Loads a round sump'in strange
Another Sig that’s ready to blow
Are you ready? Hey
Are you ready for Bruce?
Blamin ammo from the edge of his seat?
Out through the thigh the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat, yeah
Chorus
Another Sig bites the dust
Another Sig bites the dust
And another one blown, and another one blown
Another Sig bites the dust (yeah)
Sig, is gonna shoot you too
Another Sig bites the dust
Verse 2
How do you think I’m gonna get along,
Without a SIG that’s safe and strong?
I guess I’m gonna have to get Glock,
But that just feels wrong.
Are you happy Ron, are you satisfied?
How much can you cut the check?
Out through the Serpa the bullets rip
It's like watching a trainwreck, look out
Another Sig bites the dust
Another Sig bites the dust
And another one blown, and another one blown
Another Sig bites the dust (yeah)
Sig, is gonna shoot you too
Another Sig bites the dust
That is absolutely solid gold right there! 😂 this is the best comment ever.
Parodies are an art!
I'm on a military shooting team and we had the right slide release bar on an M-17 break off the FCU in the middle of a match at the WPW Championship. We have a bunch of issues with the rear sight plates too. I love Sig ergonomics but they have a serious quality control issue. Really wish they would fix all of this.
M-17,while at NTC, blew off the slide from the frame. It was an OOB fire. It went off before it was fully chambered but it was right after it took a round from the magazines.
Don’t get married to your 320’s. They’re just like women. Once you stick to one it’ll blow up. Keep your options open and your 320 will continue to work hard to not let itself go.
So you're saying keep it in the safe and don't shoot it that much and you won't have to worry about it.
@@timd729 no. Take it out. Play with it. Use it. Show it love. Let it know you love it but every year there are 5 others just like it but with different assets and eventually there will be a super model version of it that will come with admission to an exclusive club so it better not fuck up or you’ll get join the legion.
@@timd729 never had a single issue with the three I own. Not a FTF, FTE or any other issue. My grip prevents the slide lock from engaging, that's a me issue due to having long fingers. Dropped my X-Compact numerous times fully loaded, nothing
I'll have to share that "wisdom", with my Wife of 51 years!🤡
I've seen multiple case heads let go on Glocks and XD's, neither of those blew the frame apart. To be fair the polymer on the Glocks is spec'd to be soft enough to withstand that and all the Croatian stuff is all overbuilt. The polymer on the P320 feels harder in my hands and subsequently could be more brittle. Seen quite a few of those grip modules shattered like glass now that the gun has been around a minute.
Why buy a 320 at this point? There are lots of great guns without the issues.
P10C gang.
Just wanted to say, get a cz 😂 love my p10 c
Agreed. My P10c with Overwatch Precision trigger. Magnificent.
I have a 320 and a cz. Both great🤷🏻♂️
Cz makes great guns. I own a po7.
My son has a p10c. Both are great guns.
@@leadfarmer556 I own both as well. Waiting for my P07 slide to come from an optic cut and that will take over as my edc
I was at a pistol match 2 years ago (last one I’ve been to) and was arguing sig vs Glock with a friend of mine on the way. During my run a sig in the next bay exploded. That was a good ride home lol
As a sigger myself I recommend watching Bruce grays video on this topic he ran multiple tests on 320s that he modified to shoot out of battery and he went as far as removing material in the chamber wall so there was even less chamber support his conclusion was that 320’s are blowing up from over pressured ammo and not from out of battery detonation and poor chamber support, but this is a sample size of one so you never know until someone else runs some more experiments
Didnt he help create those guns? Of course he is gonna say that.
Yeah he made the gun fire absurdly out of battery and with hardly any chamber wall support and shot a variety of ammo including +p and found no case expansion and showed it in his video, but u missed the part where I said this is a sample size of one. Robert Burke is confident enough to make the sport disconnector for the 320 saying the gun is firing out of battery but showed no testing. I’m not defending the 320 but it is interesting that a pistol smith like Bruce gray ran experiments on the gun made a video recorded his results and posted it. Which no else has, so far everyone else has just said the gun fires out of battery and explodes because of poor design but can never explain the poor design because they have no idea what they are talking about.
I've heard people say be aware of unusual recoil and never understood what that meant until I experienced a ruptured case with my P320CA.
I have a bad batch of .40 ammo bought on Jan. 2021 directly from Buffalo bore labeled 23F/20-40 S&W OUTDOORSMAN Std Pressure Low Flash Pistol and Handgun Ammo. It's anything but "Std" pressure and low flash. Some rounds are so far out of spec that it won't drop into the chamber without a bit of force.
Best way I can describe the recoil, felt more like a sideways or twisting motion instead of a vertical impulse. 1st round felt ok, 2nd felt odd and impacted very off. 3rd round ruptured case, powder flakes/gas shot out from between the slide rails and frame at my forehead, blew off the extractor. Sig fixed it however I purchased an aftermarket barrel.
Conclusion is that bad tolerances of both the barrel and ammo are to blame. One being slightly off might be fine 99.9% of the time but when both are out of spec, you'll end up with something comparable to a proof load.
@@ETmyAz I agree that barrel needs more chamber wall support even all my old 226 & 229 and even my new legion 229 has more case support than the p320 barrel. Fact of the matter is that yes it’s a ammo problem but ur gun should be able to handle hot ammo without self destructing being a issue unless its a absurd double load the barrel should be able to handle hot loads like most other production duty grade pistols. So yes it’s both ammo and the barrel to blame in my opinion.
Everyone knows you shouldn't use the hard "r'. It's sigga.
its so strange to have a company go this many years and this many headlines NOT addressing something mechanical. i'm imagining if the issues with the first M9s just never got addressed, and if beretta just said "skill issue" to the US army. it's wild. if the toolshed aftermarket has actually solved the problem, it's an indictment of sig who has much more resources and should have solved it first.
If you're talking about the m9 frames cracking, that wasn't barretta's fault and they still fixed it anyway.
Those "beretta problems" were cases of ass hats loading submachinegun ammo in thier handguns.
I think the Sigga apologists are more likely to trick out their 320s (barrel included) which is why this happens more often to A) cops or departments that can’t modify their guns or B) competitors that are using higher end 320s with Sig USA still the barrel OEM.
Also might explain why there’s always a divide in the comments of non 320 owners slamming it and the Siggas (with after market parts) claiming no issues.
Of course there is a divide. People that dont own them have no credibility whatsoever because they dont have experience to talk. People buy based off of the companies consumer reviews, track record, support, etc, and no amount of fantasies you drum up in your head will stop one from succeeding unless their product is proven a total failure. Key word here, "proven"
MY Sig P320 is bone stock. I haven't changed a single thing on it... not even the sights. It literally has the exact same parts on it that it had when I purchased it. I've put close to 8,000 rounds through it. I've dropped it once or twice. I carry it every single day of my life. I've even ran +P ammo in it. It's NEVER had the first problem. Not one jam, not one misfire, not one negligent discharge, not one exploding frame, not a single failure to feed, nothing. It's literally been the most reliable gun I've ever owned. I've seen Sig P320s test by MANY reputable channels and they have never had one fail a single test. Meanwhile, I've seen Glocks jam, have failure to feed issues, randomly drop the mags without the mag release being touched, etc. You are a Glock fan... and that's fine. Everyone has a right to their own preferences... but when I have seen and experienced first hand the reliability of my Sig P320... and witnessed several different models of Glocks FAIL... make no mistake... I'd trust my life to my Sig long before I would trust ANY Glock on the market. Granted, my sample size is a sample of 1, but I prefer to trust what I see with my own 2 eyes than trust those who have a reason to lie about why their Sig failed, had a negligent discharge, or blew up. Case in point... I've seen videos where an officer claims him gun randomly fired on him while he was getting out of his patrol car with it in his hand. After going frame by frame through the video... what I discovered was one single frame where you could CLEARLY see the officer's finger was on the trigger. I saw another video where an officer's Sig P320 supposedly fired while it was in the officer's holster and he was wrestling with a suspect and bumping into another officer in the process. After going through the video frame by frame... what we see is the officer's holster was a Safari Land. These holsters are known to be problematic because there is a gap between the frame of the firearm and the holster which could allow small objects like... oh... I don't know... keys... to enter the holster and potentially engage the trigger. And what did the officer that was bumped into have hanging on his belt at the precise spot where the "offending" Sig bumped into him? A set of keys!!! Another video claims to show a guy at a firing range that has a Sig randomly fire when being drawn from the holster. But upon closer inspection what we see is the holster he was using had a release mechanism on the side that required the shooter to release it by applying pressure with his index finger. Further testing on that exact same holster showed that because of that mechanism and the way it was designed... it increased the likelihood that the shooter's finger would slide off the holster release and actually contact the trigger causing an unintended discharge. The bottom line is that most of the shit talking I've seen about Sig P320s and the claims of unintended discharges fall apart upon closer inspection. But it's much easier for an officer or an "expert shooter" to claim the firearm somehow failed than it is for them to admit they screwed up and accept responsibility for their own actions. My suspicion is, if the officer in this story were to be completely truthful, he was probably running low quality ammo that has little to no quality control and an over charged round found it's way into the chamber of his firearm. In fact, the guy admits to using Wolf brand ammo which is absolutely KNOWN to have quality control issues. Buy cheap ammo with shitty quality control and shit like this will absolutely happen... even to the best built firearms in the world... just saying...
Natural Siglection
Friendship with Ben is over. Now GBRS is my best friend.
😂
Hilarious
Has anyone heard of the sig p320x have issues or is it just the p320?
Throw that comment in a dump pouch
@@johnmaresca69 seems to be the 320 in general. The one that my friend was at a match for was a max michelle.
“I don’t know what happened, or what caused it, but I’m going to make a video on it”. That sounds about right.
the .357 sig had similar issues in a variety of pistols including the Glock, when it came out. The issue was not having a fully supported barrel
Remember hearing abt this
Recall hearing was the 40 cal that were blowing up the glocks.
@@loquat4440 I do not recall this when was that?
@@XRKNIFEANDTOOL One only has to do a google search. He is the first hit when I did a search glock 40 blowing up:
I blew up my glock 27 three times [Archive]
58 posts
Mar 22, 2007
READ THIS ABOUT A GLOCK .40 BLOW-UP! [Archive]
35 posts
Nov 30, 2000
Any problems with .40 going off/blowing up? [Archive]
58 posts
Nov 12, 2004
@@XRKNIFEANDTOOL
Just do a google search.
I blew up my glock 27 three times [Archive]
58 posts
Mar 22, 2007
READ THIS ABOUT A GLOCK .40 BLOW-UP! [Archive]
35 posts
Nov 30, 2000
Any problems with .40 going off/blowing up? [Archive]
58 posts
Nov 12, 2004
The SIG armorer has an incredible video about what causes these out of battery explosions. Honestly, sig should implement his kit that fixes the issue in every factory going forward the fact that they haven’t openly discussed this is actually crazy to me. Borderline criminal if I had to guess.
There was an Sig in our armorers course that would fire out of battery. The lead instructor would say “that’s fine”……
What's the title of the vid?
I've seen a Sig 320 blow up, and I very seen a Walther blow up. Both were eating ammo hand loaded bt the same drunk. So I blame the ammo.
People make fun of Glock owners modifying a brand new gun but with the P320 you HAVE to buy a new barrel or risk it exploding in your face. Nice.
That's what I'm saying lol Siggas talk so much shit about how you have to modify a Glock to make it perfect but atleast I don't need an aftermarket barrel to make sure my gun doesn't literally detonate lmao
I carried a Gen3 G17 for 24 years as LE. Thousands upon thousands of rounds. Never an issue. I have literally seen 320s on the range for our dept quals do all sorts of crazy things. Never saw one blow up
Love them or hate them, SIG has sold a lot of Glocks! 😂
😂😂
You are the funniest person that is somehow extremely honest at the same time that I've ever listen to I love it man
Why would someone be picking the 320 over a P10 or glock at this point? No redeeming qualities on the sig other than it says Sig Sauer on it, until that part blows up…
Probably because Sig did a great job focusing their marketing on dudes who base all of their gun information from tatted bro-vets on youtube
sig might know whats going on, but seems they dont give a damn.
It would be legally damning for them to admit that something is wrong with a gun. They got a lot of money on the line with all these MIL/LE contracts.
They in denial have dumb fanboys who will see it happen then go buy 12 high price for no reason they gone keep going long as they have a delusional fan base
@@catalystactual6491 I think it might be more legally damning if it came out that they knew of the issue and did nothing to prevent it.
Granted, from my understanding since introduction there have been dozens of rolling changes to the guns, with some parts even receiving multiple changes. A theory a friend of mine has is that there may be an issue with certain updated parts not playing well with certain other parts, either older iteration, or new iteration causing continued issues. There is also the theory that the issues are primarily due to the 320 not being a ground up design, but a striker fired redesign of the 250.
Or it could be something completely different, I don't know.
I really don't have a dog in the race, I'm just here for the violence.
Why should Sig care when they seem to have someone on the inside of the US military getting them contracts? P320 over G19X shouldn't have happened. XM7 replacing the M4 shouldn't have happened either. 🤔
@chairmanbrando glock should have listened to what the contract asked for but as usual they try n make folks take what they make military showed them what civilians won't WE NOT BUYING IT
If your gonna buy a Sig then P226>P320 and P365>P320
I'd rather get a p250 over p320 or p365
Glock/HK >Sig
P365 is 🌭 💩
Only sig i have is the xtenn 10mm and only sig ill ever have cause sig is ass
My P320 KB'd with Prvi M882 on the first outing. The mag shot out, ejector went BYE!, and the grip module cracked. When I examined the brass, every single case was bulged. The diagnosis was early unlocking before the bullet exited the muzzle.
Bullshit
Thanks for your great videos! Love watching them and FOR them. Learn from you and you’re funny, not just interesting. Also thanks for the info on the parts..I have a few with factory barrels I’ll now replace, disconnector great idea. JUST in case lol.
I had a round blow out my ejector on a M18, Sig said it was designed to do that.
That tracks
Thats its Check Engine warning.
Hah! Designed to fail. He just said the quiet part out loud.
Imagine having to move to aftermarket parts to have a safe gun .. wtf 🖕that and Sig.
I had a different gun blow up on me once shooting factory ammo. It was an FNP-45. It was known to have an unsupported chamber, hence why they came out with the FNX-45. There have been quite a few that have went Kaboom. When i contacted them, they took the gun back no questions asked and gave me a brand new FNX in return.
i bought a P320 AXG Classic. I made my own leather holster for it, which covers the trigger completely. I have about 1000 rounds through the pistol and it has not malfunctioned once it has not fired itself once without me, pulling the trigger and it has not blown up. I am not an armor, but I have watched mini videos about this gun. The drop safety issue was real, but has been fixed and my pistol was purchased after they made the change to the disconnect. It has performed flawlessly so far.
I reload so I paid very close attention to my cases. X5legion brass aren't any different than any of my other guns. No bulges. ReSizes with same effort. Ive seen some nasty glocked brass. Cases out of the legion look nothing like those.
There is a 360 degree rolled funnel around the chamber mouth of the p320 barrel, at least in the 9mm i owned. I ball mic'd it after i had this concentric bulge from a box of dangerously overpressured ammo i bought. If it ruptures there and vents at the extractor that would make sense if there is some space there. I dont have a p320 barrel handy now but I'd go back and take a look at those 2 spots. Hope this helps
How has sig not fixed this gun yet. Total redesign.. no other company if having this happen as well as it firing on its own. Unacceptable
Pretty sure this doesn't happen with the 365.
@@WaterZer0it does lol
@@Eio395 damn, guess Sig is just bad at the main thing they supposedly do
@@Eio395not a sig lover, but the P365 doesn’t have nearly the amount of issues as the 320
@MachineIf when the P365 first came out they were breaking firing pins after like 100 rounds
Why risk getting hurt by using a 320??
Because the totally jacked and sexy-I mean cool dudes at GBRS said this is the bestest pistol in the entire world
Its not just sigs doing that Glocks are also blowing up. Kinda wondering if we are having an ammo problem?
I heard Sig and Boeing are doing a collab soon.
Here's an anecdote. My P320 dirties up my optics SO fast, like after 200 rounds fast. My Glocks might go a thousand before I feel like I need to wipe the soot off my optic. Are P320s opening up before pressure is down at a safe level? Who knows.
My X5 Legion covered my Holosun Comp with carbon after one mag. Turns out the required LCI for CA (or more accurately, Sig's design of it) causes this issue, and Sig will replace the barrel. They replaced it by mail very quickly, and I haven't shot it with the new barrel, but online discussions indicate that that fixes it. Unfortunately it also makes my X5 non-compliant, so if I ever had to send it for warranty work, it would need to be FFLed.
The Loaded Chamber Indicator (hole in the top of the barrel) is what allows gas and unburnt powder onto the optic
Sounds like short headspace is the problem rather than lack of case support
A good indicator as to what causes these blow ups will be the case of the cartridge. Early 40/10mm glocks had poorly supported chambers. I had an early g20 blow up in my hand. The case head failed at the feed ramp. Locked the pistol up. Shot the mag out the bottom. Peppered my face with gunpowder. Felt like someone smashed my hand with a baseball bat. But the pistol lived. Wolf barrel solved the problem.
On a note about the military P320s exploding one thing that could be an issue is 9mm ammo for the military is a bit higher pressure than civilian ammo. It's about what +p ammo would be. Now a military gun should be able to handle it since that is the expectation, but maybe at least for those ones its an explanation. Now the others I got nothing
Glocked Brass is a term from the swollen ring of unsupported brass left too low on the case for typical sizing dies to put back in place. Glock guns blow up just like the Sigs. Glock of course blames reloads but most PDs don't shoot reloads. Oddly, my 2 Sig P320s don't leave the ring of shame on the brass. I do however have to bulge bust nearly every 40S&W case I find at the range as most of them are fired by Glocks.
Wolf ammo...whew! I've seen it do a job on a couple ARs.
Siggas always wanna talk about how glock owners by a glock and put $400 bucks in it to make it shoot able.... My brother in christ you have to put $400 bucks in to make sure your sig doesn't blow your balls off when you carry appendix. And then they drop more money on better frames the irony is just chef kisses.
Most sig owners are insufferable.
Striker fired babs will never stop eating glue and go back to hammer fired. Sad.
-Retta Gang
*Christ
@@WearilyMistaken lmfao
@@alastor8091 I see you're Berretta and I raise you a CZ P01
"A P320 could be near", he thought to himself, glancing around the gas station.
"It's just handloaders being dumb, right? Sure."
"Yeah that and just dumb joes not cleaning their guns. Phew."
"With a P320, you can explode anytime," he said aloud.
SIGGERS could be near
Cheap wine coursed through his thick, powerful veins as he contemplated his (merrited) fear of Sigs loaded and holstered.
I have a P226 Legion SAO, great gun, won't have one with no hammer. Thanks for the post.
I would never buy a Sig pistol, but Wolf russian ammo? 😂😂😂
Wow, ordering an after market barrel before this video ends....
“Probably not as well as Sig does” lmfaoo
The disconnect is a thing. Had one that would fire way out of battery….it blew up
You should demo the out of battery trigger pull before and after the switch to the Sig Armorer disconnector. I noticed a big difference. I think I'm going with the KKM barrel.
Did the P250 have the same reports of blowing up as the 320? As far as I know, they have the same slides and barrels, but I also don't think they sold that many of them
I wonder if the US Army / USMC will get them to retro-fit? Where would this gun be in market if they hadn't adopted it? I heard (before my time) that Beretta had to retro fit the M9's.
The problem for the M9 was some of them were being sent SMG grade ammo to use that caused the guns to beat themselves to pieces. They adjusted some stuff to strengthen the gun but ultimately it was the ammo causing the issue.
The retrofit of the m9 was an ammo issue. Not a gun issue. Barretta sued the us government due to the unfounded claims about their gun design and won
I have an Aimsurplus barrel in mine, I'll have to check the chamber support now.
“Wolf” ammo, is “good ammo”?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m still wondering why a LEO would be using that garbage, or why the department would even allow it…
I just can't do the P320 thing. Sold mine. Too much smoke around the system. I also can't stomach spending $600 on the gun only to have to add another $250 in parts to keep it from blowing up. Don't get me started on the $50 mags. Too many other better and safer choices out there. Thanks for the informative videos, Ben. Subscribed & liked.
Hmmmm... plenty of other pistola designs with "unsupported" barrels have been running for decades without problems. I would definitely be looking into out of battery possibilities, which the disco may solve. Dunno, either way it does tend to make one be shy about the 320. Hope it all gets resolved, and quickly, because Sig definitely makes some fine pieces.
I noticed that the 226 encloses the case even more so than the Glock. Hence the 226 will hiccup more on less than perfect reloads than the Glock. My thought at least. Wonder if these failures will become more prevalent with wear fatigue of the polymers over the years ?
I have a bunch of P320’s . A variety of OEM and aftermarket grip modules . Standard and Xseries competition slides etc. Mine haven’t had a blow out after 10’s of thousands of rounds with any factory ammo or my properly specced competition reloads. I have seen an X5 Legion blow out once with buddy’s suspect reloads . I do know that certain factory ammo with OAL inconsistencies like Winchester White box have caused blowouts. I still feel good about the platform based on my experience starting in 2021. And no - none of mine have fired on their own lol ! Not an Sig fan boy - have lots of other pistols but these just suit my style for competition primarily.
I’m confused. So sig won’t accept accountability and pretty much dismiss the issue, but they drop a sport disconnect to fix the issue? Isn’t that pretty much admitting, If so, why not just recall the whole damn thing? Please break this down Barney style.
Wow, wouldn't buy a Sig 320. That's frankly unacceptable.
I'd lean to a 365 9mm but no to any M18 M17 320 line. Even the alloy frame 320 guns.
Based off of one random person messaging Ben, instead of the military vetting and large amount of consumer reviews? 😂
Based off of one random person messaging Ben, instead of the military vetting and large amount of consumer reviews? 😂
@@mattfillmore4808 No, after hearing abou this issue on more than a few occasions. Preferably I wouldn't want to hear about this type of failure...at all.
I never hear about them blowing up "all the time"
What I find amazing is you hardly see any of the gun tuber shills talk about this major issue with Sig. They have no problem making videos dunking on Smith and Wesson because the front grip panel makes a noise when you tap it, an easy problem to fix if they didn't already have their Anti-Smith blinders on. Or that the 2 month old Metal Carry Comp has a slide lock issue on the very first generation sent to these shills for free, also an extremely easy thing to fix but that doesn't jive with their love of Glock and knocking down of anything that is not Glock. I am done with most of the gun tubers, these guys are shills that do not give us good information. There is a handful out there like you that give us accurate information on what is going on with these firearms. Thank you for being honest and real with us.
If you want to buy a top tier barrel that isn't full drop in, Bar-Sto is probably one of the top pistol barrels you can get. You choose Custom Fit or Semi Fit...
Don't take my word for it, just ask around or research. I am not aware of any issues with their barrels.
Further... there are plenty of companies that can make very good barrels for many mainstream pistols, but Bar-Sto is a step beyond any I have dealt with as they are comfortable making caliber conversion barrels for different systems that no one else does... they have made me custom conversions they don't list. From a machinist perspective and a custom engineering perspective, the Bar-Sto barrels I have fit, used, and shot, have been exceptional. Better than KKM? Yes, but only because the KKM barrels are designed to drop in. I have several of each with many rounds. I buy them for accuracy as a target shooter.
My favorite example is one they did for my Glock G40... a Semi-fit 357Sig conversion barrel (6") It is used on silhouette out to 175 yards.
I rushed to the safe to check the 320 after watching this. And for once my tinkering has paid off. When I first got this baddie, I shoved a dremmel down the pipe. My thinking is we all have to die and why not do everything. Now the case seats flush or at least at the same level of the HK's(fair comparison?). Maybe that's why it keeps running and why I still have my Twitter fingers.
I didn’t have a blowup but I did have a serious jam with a round on my Sig P320 AXG. I was using 124 gr ammo. Not sure if it was the ammo, Troy ammo, or not. I had several no fires although there were good strikes.
This issue is enough to prevent me from buying one of these guns or recommending one to anyone.. It is absurd to buy a firearm which the customer must then modify to have a safe handgun. This is absurd. Don't buy them until Sig fixes them---period.
The Sig 320 is a military specified 9mm NATO spec firearm just like the Beretta M9 before it. That being said, it's not going to FULLY chamber ANY 9x19 cartridge which is NATO spec in dimension. I said cartridge and not bullet, because there are a lot of 9x19 ammunition available 124 grain but there is almost an infinite number of different bullets being used in the cartridge. So while two 9x19 cartridges say 124 grain on the box, due to two different bullets being used by two different manufactures, one cartridge will dropped easily into the chamber while the other will stick out slightly. If the slide still moves into battery even though the cartridge isn't fully seated, you get this story you are telling. I bet Sig has a list of ammunition manufactures they recommend getting ammunition from, most people don't give this a second thought. I say all this because I have first hand experience finding this out the after I purchased a specific ammunition in 9mm and figured why it wouldn't chamber fully. I bet you'll never have this particular problem with Winchester 9mm NATO because Winchester has been the US Army's ammunition plant operator for decades......they know which 9mm BULLET dimensions work and which don't these military chamber spec firearms.
They say always wear eye and ear protection but with the 320 wear gloves and a face shield
Nah, chicks dig scars
Thank goodness it couldn’t possibly be QC on the ammo.
I have seen similar catastrophic failures on Glocks and CZ's that didn't turn the gun into a grenade but keep coping sigger
@@turnermd1302 You have had similar failures? That what you call a clue. Don’t give 2 💩’s or any F’s about brands.
@@thinkingman6648 Yeah I've shot plenty of shit-tier 9mm and have never had a hot round literally explode my gun, I also don't own Sigs so there's probably some correlation there
@@turnermd1302 You're a bandwagon bum. No experience with the brand, talk like you know what's going on, but really have no clue. Feminine energy......
I'm not a competitive shooter, but in all my time around guns I've only heard of AR blowing up while shooting with friends(wrong ammo for the receiver 5.56 in a .223). What other guns are known to explode/fail drop tests as frequently as SIGs?
Staccatos perform pretty bad on drop tests
I've noticed used 320s are going for great prices. Hmmm?
What did the department expect for a $500.00 Sig P320? Maybe the “Custom Works” Sig P320 is inline with department regulations. As for Sig barrels… Sig sizes its ammunition for its guns. Compare Sig hollow points next to other manufacturers hollow points. You'll see Sig ammunition is shorter than other brands.
Ben. Based on classes you do, what is the ratio of glocks to Sig 320’s. Say it’s one for one. How many glocks have blown up compared to glocks
Dang, yesterday u had me thinking the check cleared. It definitely bounced didn’t it? Lol
I try to stay with steel frame guns for this reason.
I had to do some mental gymnastics to figure out what he meant by "grip module."
Chamber support aside, did the old pre "voluntary upgrade" guns have issues blowing up?
First I’m hearing of this. Been an Sig guy since the 80’s. Never had a jam, misfire, malfunction of any kind.
Flashbacks to the Glock Kb! days.
I own 3 sig 516s. 2 14.5 in and one FDE 16 inch for parts.
Sig does not sell parts for the gun and I will never own another sig of any kind.
Particularly a 320 pistol.
Buy a $700 gun and have to swap barrel? No 😂
Ben, cmon man
You make a living off using your hands. Why you gotta play with actual grenades
Have there been any reports of the XTen models having these issues? Have one I originally intended to carry when hunting/in the woods, but have hesitated to carry it out of concern over the random discharges and/or explosions.
Two weeks ago, I saw an S&W blow up, and he was using wolf steel case.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Just need to rechamber a little deeper very common when fitting a barrel takes five minutes. If case sticks out and primer not seated all the way it could detonate before lock up ?
In a little known twist to this story, mosad operatives were on the 320 design team.
In my open class Beretta 92 I I run a kkm national match barrel.
How did this issue not show up in the supposedly exhaustive military tests of guns before adoption?
The SIG was adopted without full testing that previous pistols went through.
@Hornet135 citation please?
@@nated8263 US Army and Air Force.
Read about the Modular Handgun System Competition. Glock and Sig were the finalists. Normally the finalists undergo Production Verification Testing which includes things like endurance testing (20 something thousand rounds) and environmental tests. Instead of doing that, they just selected Sig as the winner. Totally abnormal considering the testing the M1911 and M9 went through before they were adopted.
@Hornet135 any actual citation? No offense meant but some guy in the comments doesn't do it for me. And I am genuinely curious.
@@nated8263 what are you expecting? I can’t post links and PDFs. The Modular Handgun System (MHS) competition is all you need to search for. If your Google skills aren’t up to that then I don’t know what to tell you. Go watch a video on it.
Ben better up the insurance policy 😅
Never heard of a security 9 blowing up!
Interesting, I know of the drop safe issues, I’ve seen OOBD and what not. I’m wanting to get the full size upper and trigger to put into an FCU X01 chassis, I’m guessing I should go another route?
Saw one blow up Sunday at a match
I’ve never had an issue with any of my Sigs…but this is crazy!
How can I get my money back?!
I think it’s time to get rid of them and buy a Walther.
So what you’re saying is I need to buy a new barrel. I’m running OEM threaded barrel.
I've personally seen two Glocks kaboom. It's a thing on any high pressure round with an unsupported case.
Y’know I’ve gotten a lot of hate bc I edc a Canik but every day that goes by that I hear this kind of news about sig, staccatos, etc I’m grateful
Exploding sig huh haven't seen that one at least its not the usually a law enforcement officer that has an "accidentally" discharge when reholstering