Here's the thing though... A lot of hunters are like Steve. You don't see that sort of thing if you look at hunting videos from twenty or thirty years ago, but that's because most television from that time period was pretty vacuous. Outdoorsmen have always been very in tune with the issues, and have always possessed a much more in-depth knowledge of wildlife, and ecosystems. You'll be useless at hunting if you don't know more than the average person about trees and plants. Most city people go to a national park or forest and they only see the most obvious things. A mountain. Snow. Forest. The outdoorsman will be able to name more species of plant and animal in that area than anyone but the park officials for the area. The way they work together. What they provide for each other and how they are connected to produce an ecosystem. Steve isn't the exception, he just started producing outdoors programming for outdoorsmen, rather than the average channel flipper.
I'm a conservationist and not a hunter. Ive dedicated my entire life to conservation biology. Steve Rinella is a wildlife hero and his understanding of the issues facing wildlife, is greater than anyone Ive ever heard on tv, radio, newspaper or internet. Urban people do not understand wildlife and we need more people like Steve who can defend the conservation and moral value of hunting and fishing.
I aim to produce a system of food forests with irrigating flood ponds that have a positive ecological drip for conservation reasons Human stuff leaks out into the environment anyways so intentionally choose plants and ecology and animals that are local to the area Farming natively Like lionfish are invasive to florida, farm lionfish in their native place California where I live, and then there's these giant grow balls that he used and there's also a bunch of kelp forests off the coast so that can be harvested dried and then turned into fish food for lvl 1 consumers & feed predators that are farmed Having a trade in something means that it's conserved, like lions, California lion hunting isn't legal and they're actually able to be a problem There's also hogs throughout the America's and the world that need to be dealt with, ruining native ecologies and eating so many ground birds so so many ground birds So I'm even considering just going out to hunt them to help The ecology The red crayfish are invasive So in the flood ponds I'm thinking farm native crayfish to the area so that you can reestablish the population, crayfish will walk out of bodies of water to look for another one to migrate, so like I said ecological drip, choosing native plants native animals and native varieties keeping them and using their nutrients to supplement an area Like the oak trees of California are being ignored, there was a war that the people who lived in California fought for the oak trees, the tribes people So it's a source of ignored nutrents
Its a big problem, people who have always lived in the city and hardly ever been to a forest telling us not to hunt. They dont even know how out of control some places would get without hunting. Plus because of hunters game and wildlife can keep the parks running
@@owen1737 i mean to be fair wildlife wouldn’t get out of hand bc people would just start shooting them dead on there properties bc humans will human but yeah i agree with you hunters are extremely important to balance everything out
@@conner6417 lol. This fucking "low key" bullshit is about the stupidest thing going. People just throw "low key" before a declarative statement for no reason whatsoever. It's maddening. I can understand if it is used properly as in "I am a low key Celine Dion fan" or w/e But the way it is used now is nonsensical almost every time. "George Washington was low key the first president" GTFOH
@@567dirt8910 Dude I low key understand exactly what you're saying. Phrases such as "low key" and "literally" are low key being used completely improperly and too much. It literally drives me crazy. The actual function of those phrases are low key stripped of their meaning when people literally use them every other sentence.
Or any meat for that matter. It kinda bugs me when you see vegetarians eating sushi because "fish aren't really an animal". I've got two co-workers who hate it when I talk about hunting, etc and then they go eat fish for lunch. Something's gotta die so that we all survive.
Yes and it irritates me that they think by being anti hunting or vegan or vegetarian is not harmful to animals. Everything we do as people harms wildlife. Even if you are vegan it's harming wildlife, the land we use for agriculture harms wildlife the home you live in took land away from wildlife the car you drive, even us hiking in the woods disturbs and can harm wildlife.
Yea they buy factory farmed meat but they freak out about me going out and ethically killing a deer where it dies within seconds of being shot and I use as much of the meat as I can. It makes no sense.
Finally cancelled my NFLX, and I never saw this side of Rinella until this and his GQ breakdown. I kinda like this elaboration more than the NFLX series anyhow.
The brutal truth, is that city life has wholly detached most of our population from any sense of reality. Their food comes on a truck and is served through a window ready to eat. I thank God every day my family chose to raise me in the country.
@dan riley and then the a check shows up to pay for the calf that was killed but not eaten and the shoes get purchased. www.hcn.org/issues/50.12/wolves-when-cattle-go-missing-in-wolf-territory-who-should-pay-the-price
You're 100% correct. The worst thing is when these "city folk" who don't know anything about wildlife, decide that they know the best way to manage said wildlife. Their anti-hunting efforts has resulted is doing the exact opposite of what they think it's doing. Instead of having hunters and conservationists managing the land, they lose it because of bans like the ivory ban in 2016 that Joe has talked about. If these people don't own the land, aren't able to regulate and are unable to do anything about poachers, then you've just given the poachers a huge advantage. I don't know why is so difficult for people to understand that very simple fact. I don't know if they're indoctrinated to a point of no return, or if they're just stupid.
@Cough It Up, what exactly isn't he informed of? Someone disagreeing with your argument doesn't make them uninformed. I am completely informed about the information other people use to base their arguments on but I can still think they are ridiculous and dismiss them.
I think steve is probably the best spokesperson for the hunting community. His outlook on hunting is spot on. Hunting success is not a tangible thing based on weather or not you harvest a animal but the experience you have.
@@GGreen-yf2xk Define an "invasive species" for me. Maybe wolves came across the Bering Straits with the earliest human inhabitants of North America. That would make them immigrants. The fact is the earth and its biomass have always undergone constant change. We have evolved the ability to manage our environment to a great degree. With that ability comes responsibility. We have to decide what healthy populations are, and we can't do that without taking into account their effect on human activities as well.
@@killcancer6499 invasive species: a species not native to an area, becomes listed as invasive when it begins to do harm to populations of native species. Invasive species destroy habitat and wipe out indigenous species through competition or conflict. One could make the argument the agricultural societies are an invasive species. Hunter gatherer societies are usually not. If you live in a city you are already doing 1000% more harm to the environment than a country boy growing up in the woods eating hunted meat and home grown vegetables. Human infrastructure and modern agricultural practices are the number one cause of population decline in wild animals. Hunting is not.
@@rateromuerte2708 I think you have a good definition of an an invasive species. Here is the definition of the Minnesota DNR: Invasive species are species that are not native to Minnesota and cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health. Minnesota's natural resources are threatened by a number of invasive species such as zebra mussels, Eurasian watermilfoil, common buckthorn, and emerald ash borer. Invasive ... Since an invasive species can be one which causes economic it can be destructive to agriculture, husbandry or industry as well as the natural habitat. That is according to the DNR anyway.
Almost all the species that are hunted have made big comebacks in population growth due to the money spent by hunters on licensing, hunting equipment sales and donations
Most people have no clue. Hunters and fishers care way more about wildlife than the average person. They want salmon runs to be strong and for big game to thrive. Our tags, licenses, and other fees do a great part in supporting Fish and Wildlife services whereas the average person doesn’t support these services at all.
I’ve always wanted to hunt. but Steve has made me understand so much about hunting. And has helped me truly appreciate wildlife way more then I did in the past. I’ve never once disagreed with something he’s said. Because he explains it perfectly. I look at hunting completely different now but my love for it has also gone up immensely.
go hunt then learn the regulations get a hunter saftey course and got small game hunting with a shot gun or rifle. it isnt hard to get into if you start small
I love Rinellas philosophy on hunting. The way he talks about it on his web series, the passion he has for it. It’s amazing. And really makes me proud to be a wild game hunter.
Grew up in a hunting family, I’m not a hunter at this time in my life. My grandfather was a life long hunter, gun collector and conservationist. He would be proud to know that people like Steve are out there. There should be more hunters with his philosophy!!
popeye sailor you should get ahold of some of Steve's books and give them a read. The man has a real talent for puting the great outdoors and wildlife to words and description.
I totally agree. Imagine having him in camp... the best wild game cook in the planet and a very skilled hunter. Fireside conversations with him would be so interesting. Minor no homo man crush lol
Opposition to hunting is usually just a visceral, emotional reaction that people then try to justify logically after the fact. Especially among people who oppose hunting yet eat meat. It’s an out of sight out of mind thing. The distance most people have from the process of harvesting meat, allows them to ignore the fact that their eating habits require the slaughter of animals. The fact remains that hunting provides the single greatest source of funding and motive for conservation. And in many ways, killing wild animals is much more ethical and humane then the factory farming method that supplies most of us with our meat
When someone asks me how could i murder an animal in cold blood i always ask them, how are the populations doing? What about predator populations? How much habitat is left? What about diseases? because i harvested and consumed that animal these are all things that now affect me directly. I always say the fastest way to take polutuon out of a river is have the people eat the fish swimming in it.
yeah like when hunting bison in the 1870s was for animal conservation or the hunting of wolves was for animal conservation or the hunting of wolverines was for animal conservation. I'm skeptical with that argument. It's not for animal conservation. it's for the primal experience of hunting something. saying it's for conservation is just to make people feel better about their hunt. and i think that's why people have that visceral reaction, it's understanding history and how humans have hunted many many animals to extinction and not trusting humans to do that responsibly nowadays because it's really never been done responsibly
Robert Morici if you knew anything about how the hunting system (at least in the US) you would understand that it is sustainable. Hunting is not “for conservation” but in order for recreational hunting to be possible for a long period of time ( which is what hunters want) healthy population levels need to be maintained, and therefore there are limits placed on the amount of any given animal that can be killed in a certain hunting season. Hunters want to be able to return every hunting season and at least have a sporting chance of killing an animal, therefore they know they can’t just hunt without limits and eliminate the population, because then there would be no animals left to hunt. In addition, interest in recreational hunting can be leveraged to maintain ecological balances in instances when populations of a certain species are too high relative to others. The reason hunting was unsustainable in the past was because it wasn’t a recreational hobby but usually an economic venture (e.g. the North American fur trade) or for survival.
Then what is the argument against not eating meat entirely then? Hunting is obviously the most ethical way to eat meat. But wouldn’t avoiding meat entirely be the most ethical?
I have grown up as a hunter in the PNW. My family always taught us that we are hunting for food and then the thrill of the hunt. The size of the bucks or bull Elk did not matter as long as you harvest the animal properly and realize that your family will be able eat for the year on the harvest. If you got lucky and harvest a trophy then be happy and enjoy with your family.
I am a hunter, The first time I harvest a deer was 2005 at the age of 12 , I didn’t understand then what It meant to harvest an animal. I didn’t harvest another deer until this year. My perspective has changed dramatically, I now have 4 children of my own, my wife and my step daughter, a total of 6 in my household. It became very clear that having 4 harvested deer throughout winter, spring and into summer would be very beneficial, it has helped us so much,
I live in Wyoming. Live near the park, very active in the outdoors. The grizzly bears are vastly over populated. They still clame around 600. There are thousands of grizzly bears. They are decimating undulate populations. Elk calves have a 99 percent mortality rate in many parts of the greater Yellowstone ecosystem. So if you ever hear someone defending relisting, they are very uninformed and are for decimating all other populations. Including wolves. Wolf populations are struggling, grizzly bears have nearly depleted their food source and take their kills when they are fortunate enough to find living deer, elk, or moose. Grizzly bears are a serious problem and desperately need management
i live in north central idaho, same here with the wolves. and i wish they'd quit calling it a "re-introduction". these wolves are nothing like the timberwolves we used to have here. and if these animal rights people gave a shit about wolves, they never would have allowed this introduction. these canadian gray wolves should have stayed in alberta where they wouldn't have been able to destroy our timberwolf, elk, moose, and caribou populations, not to mention all the damage they've done to livestock and pets. people have no idea. now grizzlies are on the rebound here, and it's going to end up the same way as montana and wyoming - a bigger predator pit than it already is. there is no balance in this.
Sort of similar situation in the Northern California coast range. Black bear populations have sky rocketed because of over regulation on hunting them (ie. you can’t use dogs to hunt them anymore), and the consequence is that the deer population has plummeted. The bear kill the fawn and the deer populations cannot recover. I’ve seen more bear while hunting those areas than I have deer during some years.
Game and Fish, Park Service, and US Fish and Wildlife all suppress information regarding grizzly bears, especially dangerous encounters with humans. This year a guy was attacked by a sow griz near Dubois while shed hunting and the bear drug him a considerable distance with the intent of feeding him alive to her sub adult cubs. He eventually got his hand free and drew his pistol and shot the bear in the head, killing it. All that was reported in the news about this was something like “upon investigation it has been determined to be a justified killing of a protected species.”🤫
We saw wolves in 1999 in the Boise National Forest hundreds of miles from any reintroduction sites. One black and three greys. I get how Steve feels. I will always cherish that memory.
We aren't all that far removed from our hunter gatherer past. I have read that the long hunters of Appalachia (like Daniel Boone) couldn't wait to get their crops in so they could on their months long hunting trips. Most of them found farming distasteful but necessary and looked forward to the hunt. That wasn't too long ago. I hunt and I often enjoy the meat. When I don't like the meat ( e.g. diver ducks) I find a way to make it palatable. It may sound stupid; but hunting, fishing, and even picking blueberries seems to reaffirm who I am and where I came from. I am not some crazed killer, I am just assuming my place in what has been the natural order for thousands of years. Maybe that order is destined to change forever. Maybe hunting and fishing will cease to exist. I hope not. In order for it to continue we will need to manage fish and game populations intelligently.
I think that Steve Rinella should be the leading voice in regards to wildlife protection in the US. He is learned and can observe the problem objectively. Unlike the politicians that actually in charge.
Steve is the definition of having true passion for all aspects of what you do. He believes his part in society is needed, and he is 120% correct. Some people are not capable of doing what he does, but yet they complain about his passion to provide for his family in his own way. People love to complain and protest about ignorant subjects they do not educate themselves with. Mind your own lane people, no one is trying to limit the amount of wheat grass you eat.
He nailed it when he mentioned resentment building because people who live far away want to opine on issues that impact rural people's daily life. Its a core feature of our politics that ignorant city people feel like they need to "step in" and tell other people what they are allowed to do.
They say you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, you teach him to fish and... you gotta get a license and then he has to go to work to pay for the license, and yada yada. Doug Stanhope has a rad bit about it.
@@Slick_Ric_White my 2 cents was just a reup of a joke by a comedian. But since you ask I have a question back to you... if a man and his family is hungry, no money to be had and children are starving. But he is able to hunt, and has the resource easily available, should it be illegal for him to take a resource to feed himself and family? The thing I see currently and granted it varies state to state. Is that the resource is fewer and the costs continue to grow. Where I am the state has mismanaged the land and for my money it's s loss to the people's resources of the state.
Stewardship ought to be a required class in k-12. It feels like the majority of people don't have a firm grasp on subjects like ecology, land and water management.
Here in Idaho and the Great Northwest (Wyoming included), the 1996 wolf reintroduction, introduced the wrong wolf! They introduced the Canadian Grey wolf vs the northwest Timber wolf. They Grey wolf is approximately 80 lbs bigger and more aggressive in food asquission, and territory. The elk, deer and moose have all been hit hard by these non native wolfs. And the some 58 Woodland Caribou in the far north are down to about 8 since the wolf introduction. They are the last caribou in the lower 48 (I believe) The Canadian Grey wolf in native (pre European) range barely came to parts of Montana and the panhandle of Idaho ( I’m speaking for the NW, not the Midwest). Now that same wolf ranges all the way into Wyoming, Utah, Oregon and Washington, and moving south down the continental spine of the Rocky’s. And Steve is right, they are VERY hard to hunt due to learned behavior of pressure. Hunting will not get them down to extinction populations. To do that will will have to use unethical means of harvest (and that is a very poor choice of words, more like eradication) we would have to poison they wolf. Which is how we (Americans) did it before for various reasons I won’t get into, and we won’t go there again. They (the Grey wolf) is here to stay, now we as hunters, ranchers and conservationists are going to have to manage them the best we can. Grizzlies are next in line, Wyoming just lost a hunting guide from a Griz attack. They will have to be managed very soon, and it needed to be done yesterday . Great show, keep it up. And thank you Steve for giving the great educated insight on this topic.
I’d love to get both these guys take on raising and processing domestic animals on your homestead vs the commercial meat market process. Love the show and Steven always has a profound take on and articulates his points well.
I live in East Central Minnesota. Tomorrow is the last day of the firearm deer season. For the 16 day season we have harvested 1 doe and saw 1 other doe between 4 hunters on 80 acres. We were seeing large numbers of deer all summer and predicted a good season only to be very disappointed. Today on my way in from my stand I found a very large wolf track on my property 100 yards from my house. The numbers of wolves in our area have skyrocketed and the packs move into an area and decimate the deer population then move on. We were unlucky enough to have them move in during our season. I raise cattle and hope that my livestock aren't next on the wolf menu. The problem is that the amount of calories it takes to support a large pack of wolves is extraordinary and they have become very bold because of lack of hunting and they move to close for comfort. We now catch lone coyotes hunting during the day because the wolves have killed the majority of the coyotes and survivors have changed tactics. My point is that we are directly affected by the growing wolf population and wolves killing to many deer and threatening livestock, my freezer is easily down 100 pounds of food that my family counts on every year. Multiply that buy 100s of households and the problem becomes unimaginable for a fairly low income portion of the country.
Bubby Crow, I live in Minnesota as well. We used to see 40+ deer on opening weekend and haven’t seen that in years. I’ve even had wolves circling me walking to my stand in the morning. Everyone I’ve talked to about wolves is not happy. Letting things happen naturally is a teeter totter that takes years/decades to even out and that’s not even guaranteed. Hunting is the most efficient management tool at our disposal. It will generate more funding for conservation and start managing the levels of this awesome predator, because we are sure feeling the effects in Minnesota.
@fish mannthey are grey wolves and they are big. Alpha males typically weigh 120+ lbs. The problem that we run into in our area is the fact that they actually hunt for sport. Numerous people have found dead deer with only the guts eaten and they move on. In the spring the fawns are decimated between the wolves and coyotes.
@@zachkuby87 I'm not saying that the wolves are killing all the deer. What I am saying is that when wolves move into an area, the deer leave. We had people 20 miles away from us that had an amazing season. Bad hunter is a dick thing to say. It's pretty tough to harvest deer that aren't there. I hope that you don't have a pack move into your hunting area prior to a season. Hopefully your ego can handle not seeing a single deer in a season. But then again, a great hunter like you can probably just make them appear out of the air. Tracks don't lie, we have had 3 sets of deer tracks in the snow throughout the entire season (probably the same deer) and countless wolf tracks some within 50 yards from my house. We have cattle, chickens, dogs and cats and hopefully the wolves move out before my animals are next on the menu because there is definitely no deer in our area for them to eat. If you haven't experienced something, maybe you should keep you judgements to yourself.
@@zachkuby87 I shot a trophy deer this year. We still fill tags like the most people the difference is the amount of deer that I am seeing now compared to years before. The population is definitely taking a hit and the wolves moving into the area is obviously making a difference and of course we have had a bad few winters not saying wolves are the only factor here.
Steve is wise beyond his years. He is very well read and has had countless hours in the wilderness being able to reflect upon the land and himself. He has single-handedly steered me into hunting, whereas I had absolutely no interest before. He has made me realize that hunting is actually the best way to support my love for the land and all animals.
8 months later but I totally agree. I haven't studied up much about him myself but seems to be very articulate, and clearly intelligent. I have a dear friend that lives in Alaska and a single kill of his granted the ability to put food on his family's table for easily months. It's entirely possible to sustain and survive off the grid.
@@corywilliamsmith he is man. He's a nuanced thinker. IIRC he has a MA in Creative Writing from University of Montana. His books are worth reading big time
We don't even have any federal or provincial population control programs that I am aware of. Hunters buy permits for a specific number of kills and that money goes into other conservation efforts. It's a win/win in my opinion.
What are you talking about? We (Canada) have TONS! Quebec has 48000 square kilometers of controlled zones for fishing and hunting. The number of hunting permits is limited in numbers, periods, species, zones and sex. The number of permits is determined by the animal population etc etc etc.
The permits program itself is often a method of control. For instance in one state you may be able to hunt white tail deer and only tag 3 deer in most counties. But in another state where deer populations are dangerously high you might be able to legally harvest 10 deer.
I’ve hunted my entire life and we use every part of the deer... we even make the hooves into glues and resins. I love hunting I’ve done it many ways spear, bow, gun, knife, etc it’s a part of my culture and my life.
Thanks for discussing this issue. People just don't understand the situation and need to manage wildlife because our society has changed. Man impacts every facet of this land.
I paid 140$ a year to hunt here in California. I directly support the animals and habitat with the purchase of my tags. Hippies are idiot's who.have never set foot out the city.
Joe has a cool way of asking questions that normal people would think is going against this guys ideas, but he really is just helping him to his story better. *Joe is a great interviewer for sure!*
17:58 Yes, but aren't we part of that balance too? Man has always been part of that balance. Man is an omnivorous predator with an equal right to hunt.
But we are also removing habitat and we are more numerous than any other mammal except for urban rats, which are a by product of our presence. There is no balance except us removing 90% of fauna and living in an ever increasing artificial world.
I live in northern Wisconsin and the reintroduction of wolves have greatly impacted the deer hunting where we live this is the best podcast I have seen from u joe in a long time this really hits home
What's the situation like in Wis, Patrick? I live in the Southeast and know next to nothing about what you guys are up against. How hard are the wolves hitting the whitetail population?
@@jonpatterson7211 I'm from Minnesota, man I will tell you something. Wolves are pissing hunters off year round. We are having limited days on Deer season due to increasing amount of deers that are by killed or harvested by wolves. The only problem is that we can get wolf tags but it is so very difficult to obtain the tags to harvest the wolves in the northern part of Minnesota.
@@jaceforcelle6832 That's a recipe for disaster if I've ever heard one, Jace. What's the chance of a bunch of you guys getting together and getting your state senator to get something done?
@@jonpatterson7211 We can try, I haven't put efforts into it because even if we tried to have more tags, there would be the biggest anti-hunting protest.
I get Steve. I am all for wildlife conservation since big game hunting had for many years obliterated wild life in my home country India (so the government is really protective of what's left) but at the same time, I understand and am totally fine with it in America since hunters here primarily hunt to conserve and maintain wildlife ecosystems or only for their meat. That's fine by me. But when people hunt without any clear purpose, simply to sell animals' tasks, skin, nails, fangs for money or simply for sport, that's when I am against it.
Going duck hunting one day getting out of the truck and across the street was a fruit and vegetable stand,I get out get all my gear on grab my shotgun, a big fat woman yells from across the street (what do you think you look tough with that big black gun) I yelled back to her what do you think you look good in those big black pants !!! LOL she was a little frazzled
6:30 Mountain lions are incredible, but I do my best to avoid wild animals that can kill me with their face. I understand a lot of people are so detached from nature they don't understand what it's actually like, but saying you want to see a mountain lion just out and about in their area is some next level bs.
I spend alot of nights every year in the backcountry and am always grateful when I'm lucky enough to see a large predator like Grizzlies or a mountain lion. How exactly is that "next level BS?" I'm prepared to defend myself if need be, but so far I haven't had to.
Jesse N Clearly I'm talking about people who are NOT actually prepared. The people who go into the woods once a month to hike and take selfies, while being too distracted to realize they've wandered up on something until they're already too close for comfort. Luckily those people are usually loud enough animals can avoid them though.
I would enjoy very much to meet up with joe and Steve to continue this conversation. I would like to expand on this conversation. I have spent a lot of time discussing the topics, and have a often noticed that many issues are overlooked and brushed under the rug. Diseases and human impacts other than hunting are the most detrimental to the wildlife and the environment.
Wow. How am I just seeing this!? Steve is awesome, love his content and clearly having him here on the show with Joe, we the people get to enjoy a very intellectual conversation. Fuckin love it!
The thing about the Grey Wolf in Michigan is grown to a point now we are seeing Hunters losing Hunting Dogs, Wolfs coming into Yards in the UP and taking there home pets there came a point where they needed Hunted back down to origin Numbers as they were to start with. It’s proven that they are Proliferating pretty darn fast.😊
“They want to see mountain lions.” Lol no you don’t, if you see a mountain lion it’s probably been following you for a few miles and is waiting for a chance to attack you.
Before watching this episode I was one of those people who didn't care. This small clip has made me aware and has changed my outlook and prespective on this topic. Thanks Joe.
You know what we really need is open season on seals up and down the oregon and Washington coast. Seals are obnoxious, they are aggressive, they kill dogs swimming, they have even killed children, and their biggest impact is they are killing off our salmon populations. Salmon feed so so many people, they are very delicious and people can make a living off of charters, guiding, or commercial fishing. Seals are the opposite, most people wouldnt eat them, they dont do any good whats so ever except provide Californians something to take a picture of while they are stopped in the middle of the highway, or going 20 mph under the speed limit
Tons of animals are killed every year protecting vegetable and grain crops. From mice, to pigeons, to deer and the list goes on. Then add the environmental impact from herbicides, pesticides, etc. There is no free lunch for being a lettuce muncher either.
watching the wolf situation here in Wisconsin, I oppose the amount of wolves here, as we don't have enough open country to limit the interaction with people and their lives. however, managing them on the state level, I don't think we can do that effective either. our whitetail deer populations are not favorable and in the average hunters eyes, the management seems to revolve around the amount of revenue gained from offering more. Selling additional antlerless tags where deer are harvested in great numbers only in areas where public land is accessible. private land areas or areas near cities/towns remain unaffected by the movement and a vast amount of hunters with public land access only can go seasons without even seeing a deer. limited draw areas like the state of Wyoming I can see having a positive impact here, but the main fact that I cant get away from is the amount of open undisturbed land we have. even our elk population in the clam lake area, its no secret where they are because theres only so many places that they can go without human interaction. wolves would be no different I feel and only hurt the remaining struggling deer population. even our coyote populations are getting out of control near cities like Milwaukee which have no effective way to manage them from a sportsmans perspective, are seeing negative interactions with pets and livestock because the predator populations are being pushed to greater lengths to find food and land.
Sadly last year I had 2 people kill deer right where I was going to sit in. Pretty sad days. Needless to say, never saw another and walked out emptyhanded
Steve thank you for representing outdoorsman and hunters in a intelligent manner
earlbond007 lol, this is joes hunting buddy. He has his own hunting show that joe has guest starred on multiple times
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Which represents outdoorsmen and hunters, and he does it with an intellectual manner.
Jacob Mattsen that’s the point dumbass
Here's the thing though...
A lot of hunters are like Steve. You don't see that sort of thing if you look at hunting videos from twenty or thirty years ago, but that's because most television from that time period was pretty vacuous.
Outdoorsmen have always been very in tune with the issues, and have always possessed a much more in-depth knowledge of wildlife, and ecosystems. You'll be useless at hunting if you don't know more than the average person about trees and plants.
Most city people go to a national park or forest and they only see the most obvious things. A mountain. Snow. Forest. The outdoorsman will be able to name more species of plant and animal in that area than anyone but the park officials for the area. The way they work together. What they provide for each other and how they are connected to produce an ecosystem.
Steve isn't the exception, he just started producing outdoors programming for outdoorsmen, rather than the average channel flipper.
@@Neon_Caveman I agree
I'm a conservationist and not a hunter. Ive dedicated my entire life to conservation biology. Steve Rinella is a wildlife hero and his understanding of the issues facing wildlife, is greater than anyone Ive ever heard on tv, radio, newspaper or internet. Urban people do not understand wildlife and we need more people like Steve who can defend the conservation and moral value of hunting and fishing.
I aim to produce a system of food forests with irrigating flood ponds that have a positive ecological drip for conservation reasons
Human stuff leaks out into the environment anyways so intentionally choose plants and ecology and animals that are local to the area
Farming natively
Like lionfish are invasive to florida, farm lionfish in their native place California where I live, and then there's these giant grow balls that he used and there's also a bunch of kelp forests off the coast so that can be harvested dried and then turned into fish food for lvl 1 consumers & feed predators that are farmed
Having a trade in something means that it's conserved, like lions, California lion hunting isn't legal and they're actually able to be a problem
There's also hogs throughout the America's and the world that need to be dealt with, ruining native ecologies and eating so many ground birds so so many ground birds
So I'm even considering just going out to hunt them to help The ecology
The red crayfish are invasive
So in the flood ponds I'm thinking farm native crayfish to the area so that you can reestablish the population, crayfish will walk out of bodies of water to look for another one to migrate, so like I said ecological drip, choosing native plants native animals and native varieties keeping them and using their nutrients to supplement an area
Like the oak trees of California are being ignored, there was a war that the people who lived in California fought for the oak trees, the tribes people
So it's a source of ignored nutrents
Its a big problem, people who have always lived in the city and hardly ever been to a forest telling us not to hunt. They dont even know how out of control some places would get without hunting. Plus because of hunters game and wildlife can keep the parks running
@@owen1737 - and due to hunting some species have gone extinct!!!!
@@felipepineda1585 *unregulated
@@owen1737 i mean to be fair wildlife wouldn’t get out of hand bc people would just start shooting them dead on there properties bc humans will human but yeah i agree with you hunters are extremely important to balance everything out
Steve is low key one of the top 5 guest.
Pretty high key if ya ask me lol
@@conner6417 lol. This fucking "low key" bullshit is about the stupidest thing going. People just throw "low key" before a declarative statement for no reason whatsoever. It's maddening. I can understand if it is used properly as in "I am a low key Celine Dion fan" or w/e But the way it is used now is nonsensical almost every time. "George Washington was low key the first president" GTFOH
@@567dirt8910 Shut the fuck up
Walkinthecow dude u r a bum for writing this how’s the moms basement?
@@567dirt8910 Dude I low key understand exactly what you're saying. Phrases such as "low key" and "literally" are low key being used completely improperly and too much. It literally drives me crazy. The actual function of those phrases are low key stripped of their meaning when people literally use them every other sentence.
What makes me angry is when people eat steak but are anti-hunters
I find hunting and small farms more ethical and humane than mass commercial farming.
Yup, if you're a meat eater your anti-hunting rhetoric is void of validity.
Or any meat for that matter. It kinda bugs me when you see vegetarians eating sushi because "fish aren't really an animal". I've got two co-workers who hate it when I talk about hunting, etc and then they go eat fish for lunch. Something's gotta die so that we all survive.
Yes and it irritates me that they think by being anti hunting or vegan or vegetarian is not harmful to animals. Everything we do as people harms wildlife. Even if you are vegan it's harming wildlife, the land we use for agriculture harms wildlife the home you live in took land away from wildlife the car you drive, even us hiking in the woods disturbs and can harm wildlife.
Yea they buy factory farmed meat but they freak out about me going out and ethically killing a deer where it dies within seconds of being shot and I use as much of the meat as I can. It makes no sense.
I really enjoy Steve's show Meat Eater, and I'm glad Joe had him on the show for an intelligent discussion.
this is his 5th or 6th time on the show just so you know
Finally cancelled my NFLX, and I never saw this side of Rinella until this and his GQ breakdown. I kinda like this elaboration more than the NFLX series anyhow.
Joe has went hunting wit Steve a few times and I love his show Meat Eater as well
Okok
Literally just started watching it yesterday. Never even heard of this guy before and I’m fucking obsessed
The brutal truth, is that city life has wholly detached most of our population from any sense of reality. Their food comes on a truck and is served through a window ready to eat. I thank God every day my family chose to raise me in the country.
A lot of people still get their food that way in the country too.
ShittyWheelies of Coors they do !
@dan riley and then the a check shows up to pay for the calf that was killed but not eaten and the shoes get purchased. www.hcn.org/issues/50.12/wolves-when-cattle-go-missing-in-wolf-territory-who-should-pay-the-price
Not just the city but whoever got brainwashed by media
You're 100% correct. The worst thing is when these "city folk" who don't know anything about wildlife, decide that they know the best way to manage said wildlife. Their anti-hunting efforts has resulted is doing the exact opposite of what they think it's doing. Instead of having hunters and conservationists managing the land, they lose it because of bans like the ivory ban in 2016 that Joe has talked about. If these people don't own the land, aren't able to regulate and are unable to do anything about poachers, then you've just given the poachers a huge advantage. I don't know why is so difficult for people to understand that very simple fact. I don't know if they're indoctrinated to a point of no return, or if they're just stupid.
Rinella so well spoken
I agree, even if he isn't as informed as he seems to someone far removed from these arguments.
@Cough It Up, what exactly isn't he informed of? Someone disagreeing with your argument doesn't make them uninformed. I am completely informed about the information other people use to base their arguments on but I can still think they are ridiculous and dismiss them.
He has a good vocab. He speaks very poorly. He pauses so long trying to form a thought it drives me crazy.
@@billzusner4873 no
@@billzusner4873 you should watch the elon podcast 😂
Steve Rinella is one of my favorite guys to listen to regarding wildlife issues.
I agree. Very articulate and well educated. Experienced hunter, educated, well rounded. Just a very smart man
I think steve is probably the best spokesperson for the hunting community. His outlook on hunting is spot on. Hunting success is not a tangible thing based on weather or not you harvest a animal but the experience you have.
while I have no interest in hunting , I have no problem with hunting, even trophy hunting as long as the meat isn't wasted given to poor or something.
@@alfredangelici8294 , Shut up, fool! You're the "invasive species" not the animals.
@@GGreen-yf2xk well then go out woods without anything and let the animals eat you, remember you're part of an invasive species.
@@GGreen-yf2xk Define an "invasive species" for me. Maybe wolves came across the Bering Straits with the earliest human inhabitants of North America. That would make them immigrants. The fact is the earth and its biomass have always undergone constant change.
We have evolved the ability to manage our environment to a great degree. With that ability comes responsibility. We have to decide what healthy populations are, and we can't do that without taking into account their effect on human activities as well.
@@killcancer6499 invasive species: a species not native to an area, becomes listed as invasive when it begins to do harm to populations of native species.
Invasive species destroy habitat and wipe out indigenous species through competition or conflict. One could make the argument the agricultural societies are an invasive species. Hunter gatherer societies are usually not.
If you live in a city you are already doing 1000% more harm to the environment than a country boy growing up in the woods eating hunted meat and home grown vegetables. Human infrastructure and modern agricultural practices are the number one cause of population decline in wild animals. Hunting is not.
@@rateromuerte2708 I think you have a good definition of an an invasive species.
Here is the definition of the Minnesota DNR: Invasive species are species that are not native to Minnesota and cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health. Minnesota's natural resources are threatened by a number of invasive species such as zebra mussels, Eurasian watermilfoil, common buckthorn, and emerald ash borer. Invasive ...
Since an invasive species can be one which causes economic it can be destructive to agriculture, husbandry or industry as well as the natural habitat. That is according to the DNR anyway.
Almost all the species that are hunted have made big comebacks in population growth due to the money spent by hunters on licensing, hunting equipment sales and donations
@@JamesSmullins This is one reason I have given some thought to hunting hogs. They are a nuisance.
@@rphxleonine the only good hog is a dead one.
Yep exactly 👍
@@JamesSmullins I find a good hog to be dead, seasoned and smoked for 6-8 hours.
Most people have no clue. Hunters and fishers care way more about wildlife than the average person. They want salmon runs to be strong and for big game to thrive. Our tags, licenses, and other fees do a great part in supporting Fish and Wildlife services whereas the average person doesn’t support these services at all.
I’ve always wanted to hunt. but Steve has made me understand so much about hunting. And has helped me truly appreciate wildlife way more then I did in the past. I’ve never once disagreed with something he’s said. Because he explains it perfectly. I look at hunting completely different now but my love for it has also gone up immensely.
go hunt then learn the regulations get a hunter saftey course and got small game hunting with a shot gun or rifle. it isnt hard to get into if you start small
I love Rinellas philosophy on hunting. The way he talks about it on his web series, the passion he has for it. It’s amazing. And really makes me proud to be a wild game hunter.
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@@zachkennedy9282 K thanks.
Grew up in a hunting family, I’m not a hunter at this time in my life. My grandfather was a life long hunter, gun collector and conservationist. He would be proud to know that people like Steve are out there. There should be more hunters with his philosophy!!
So glad Joe had him on the show. I think he makes a great spokesperson for hunters who don’t have a public platform to explain their positions.
Rinella is incredibly intelligent. He knows this topic inside and out and I believe represents 90% of hunters out there.
I like how this guy thinks. He is very articulate
Hes like if Rambo and matt damon had a baby
popeye sailor you should get ahold of some of Steve's books and give them a read. The man has a real talent for puting the great outdoors and wildlife to words and description.
Very wise
A very different sentence without that period lol! Steve is awesome
Imagine how much Steven freaking knows. I'd love to hunt and cook with him it would be awesome and very informative
I totally agree. Imagine having him in camp... the best wild game cook in the planet and a very skilled hunter. Fireside conversations with him would be so interesting. Minor no homo man crush lol
@@beardoggin8963 just admit it guys u wanna snuggle up in a sleeping bag with Rinella...its ok,we wont judge
Holy shit I just realized this is the guy off meat eater haha I’ve already hunted and cooked with him in a way!!
@@beardoggin8963 true
Opposition to hunting is usually just a visceral, emotional reaction that people then try to justify logically after the fact. Especially among people who oppose hunting yet eat meat.
It’s an out of sight out of mind thing. The distance most people have from the process of harvesting meat, allows them to ignore the fact that their eating habits require the slaughter of animals.
The fact remains that hunting provides the single greatest source of funding and motive for conservation. And in many ways, killing wild animals is much more ethical and humane then the factory farming method that supplies most of us with our meat
Conor Larkin final result of too many children's cartoons and not enough experience
When someone asks me how could i murder an animal in cold blood i always ask them, how are the populations doing? What about predator populations? How much habitat is left? What about diseases? because i harvested and consumed that animal these are all things that now affect me directly.
I always say the fastest way to take polutuon out of a river is have the people eat the fish swimming in it.
yeah like when hunting bison in the 1870s was for animal conservation or the hunting of wolves was for animal conservation or the hunting of wolverines was for animal conservation. I'm skeptical with that argument. It's not for animal conservation. it's for the primal experience of hunting something. saying it's for conservation is just to make people feel better about their hunt. and i think that's why people have that visceral reaction, it's understanding history and how humans have hunted many many animals to extinction and not trusting humans to do that responsibly nowadays because it's really never been done responsibly
Robert Morici if you knew anything about how the hunting system (at least in the US) you would understand that it is sustainable. Hunting is not “for conservation” but in order for recreational hunting to be possible for a long period of time ( which is what hunters want) healthy population levels need to be maintained, and therefore there are limits placed on the amount of any given animal that can be killed in a certain hunting season. Hunters want to be able to return every hunting season and at least have a sporting chance of killing an animal, therefore they know they can’t just hunt without limits and eliminate the population, because then there would be no animals left to hunt.
In addition, interest in recreational hunting can be leveraged to maintain ecological balances in instances when populations of a certain species are too high relative to others.
The reason hunting was unsustainable in the past was because it wasn’t a recreational hobby but usually an economic venture (e.g. the North American fur trade) or for survival.
Then what is the argument against not eating meat entirely then? Hunting is obviously the most ethical way to eat meat. But wouldn’t avoiding meat entirely be the most ethical?
We're so lucky to have Steve represent us hunters. Not the hillbilly most people see hunters as. Keep it up brother
Steve has such a great understanding. I live in Missoula we have Grizzlies in town now.
@@joedaniels701 bro you win that was hilarious.
They have always been in that region in Montana.
Amen sir. I am Hunter and will not apologize.
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I didn't realize some hunters apologize. Why would they be hunting if they are apologizing for it? lol.. nonsense
I have grown up as a hunter in the PNW. My family always taught us that we are hunting for food and then the thrill of the hunt. The size of the bucks or bull Elk did not matter as long as you harvest the animal properly and realize that your family will be able eat for the year on the harvest. If you got lucky and harvest a trophy then be happy and enjoy with your family.
I am a hunter, The first time I harvest a deer was 2005 at the age of 12 , I didn’t understand then what It meant to harvest an animal.
I didn’t harvest another deer until this year. My perspective has changed dramatically, I now have 4 children of my own, my wife and my step daughter, a total of 6 in my household. It became very clear that having 4 harvested deer throughout winter, spring and into summer would be very beneficial, it has helped us so much,
Oh yeah. My wife and I practically lived on deer meat when we were first starting out on our own.
I'd hardly call yourself a hunter.
You're a tourist in the hunting world
Steve is kinda the antithesis of the Fud hunter. Thank you for keeping knowledge and respect of our tradition alive Steve.
I live in Wyoming. Live near the park, very active in the outdoors. The grizzly bears are vastly over populated. They still clame around 600. There are thousands of grizzly bears. They are decimating undulate populations. Elk calves have a 99 percent mortality rate in many parts of the greater Yellowstone ecosystem. So if you ever hear someone defending relisting, they are very uninformed and are for decimating all other populations. Including wolves. Wolf populations are struggling, grizzly bears have nearly depleted their food source and take their kills when they are fortunate enough to find living deer, elk, or moose. Grizzly bears are a serious problem and desperately need management
i live in north central idaho, same here with the wolves. and i wish they'd quit calling it a "re-introduction". these wolves are nothing like the timberwolves we used to have here. and if these animal rights people gave a shit about wolves, they never would have allowed this introduction. these canadian gray wolves should have stayed in alberta where they wouldn't have been able to destroy our timberwolf, elk, moose, and caribou populations, not to mention all the damage they've done to livestock and pets. people have no idea. now grizzlies are on the rebound here, and it's going to end up the same way as montana and wyoming - a bigger predator pit than it already is. there is no balance in this.
Sort of similar situation in the Northern California coast range. Black bear populations have sky rocketed because of over regulation on hunting them (ie. you can’t use dogs to hunt them anymore), and the consequence is that the deer population has plummeted. The bear kill the fawn and the deer populations cannot recover. I’ve seen more bear while hunting those areas than I have deer during some years.
Game and Fish, Park Service, and US Fish and Wildlife all suppress information regarding grizzly bears, especially dangerous encounters with humans. This year a guy was attacked by a sow griz near Dubois while shed hunting and the bear drug him a considerable distance with the intent of feeding him alive to her sub adult cubs. He eventually got his hand free and drew his pistol and shot the bear in the head, killing it. All that was reported in the news about this was something like “upon investigation it has been determined to be a justified killing of a protected species.”🤫
Okok
@@lah67 How are they different? Are they much larger? What is the main difference causing an issue?
We saw wolves in 1999 in the Boise National Forest hundreds of miles from any reintroduction sites. One black and three greys. I get how Steve feels. I will always cherish that memory.
When Steve speaks, you listen.
Steve's the man, best hunting show out there. Way to go, dude!
We aren't all that far removed from our hunter gatherer past. I have read that the long hunters of Appalachia (like Daniel Boone) couldn't wait to get their crops in so they could on their months long hunting trips. Most of them found farming distasteful but necessary and looked forward to the hunt. That wasn't too long ago.
I hunt and I often enjoy the meat. When I don't like the meat ( e.g. diver ducks) I find a way to make it palatable. It may sound stupid; but hunting, fishing, and even picking blueberries seems to reaffirm who I am and where I came from. I am not some crazed killer, I am just assuming my place in what has been the natural order for thousands of years.
Maybe that order is destined to change forever. Maybe hunting and fishing will cease to exist. I hope not. In order for it to continue we will need to manage fish and game populations intelligently.
I want your recipe on coots, because it’s something that needs to be managed if you like puddle ducks.
I think that Steve Rinella should be the leading voice in regards to wildlife protection in the US. He is learned and can observe the problem objectively. Unlike the politicians that actually in charge.
Steve is the definition of having true passion for all aspects of what you do. He believes his part in society is needed, and he is 120% correct. Some people are not capable of doing what he does, but yet they complain about his passion to provide for his family in his own way. People love to complain and protest about ignorant subjects they do not educate themselves with. Mind your own lane people, no one is trying to limit the amount of wheat grass you eat.
Steve looks like he's related to the Diaz Brothers
Oh shit I see it now lol he's the red headed stepchild that nobody's knows.
@@richb5478 red head?
@@prestynemmick1554 his hair is brown
@@prestynemmick1554 ive never heard of it, maybe i just live under a rock tho
Steve is such an ambassador to hunting and fishing. More people need to listen to his educated views and opinions.
This dude is legit - love his show 👍🏼
Just watch steve's channel. Thanks joe for having him as a guest. Great cast. You guys have so much knowledge. I hope the people hear you.
He nailed it when he mentioned resentment building because people who live far away want to opine on issues that impact rural people's daily life. Its a core feature of our politics that ignorant city people feel like they need to "step in" and tell other people what they are allowed to do.
I'd love to see a mike rowe episode
Remember when the full shows were available on UA-cam?
they are, this is the “clips” channel. Joe has 2
Joe “It’s entirely possible” Rogan
rofl
Guy Wheeler it’s entirely plausible*
Guy "not original at all" Wheeler
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Thank you kind sir
@@guywheeler1346
Don't mention it ;)
Steve rinella is a fantastic role model and joes lucky to have him as hunting buddy
Predator hunting is as important as elk hunting
I was not in to predator hunting until I grew up and saw the reasoning behind it. It is a balance for all animals.
Jimmy Rodriguez 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hunt for a Bigfoot ???
Predator hunting is so so so much more important than any deer or elk hunt. The average coyote or mountain lion kills a deer or elk a week
Truet
I love his points of view. Being from Wisconsin i think having elk and wolves is a great thing.
Thank you for having this conversation....
It’s all about getting groceries. The trophy’s come when they come, the main goal is groceries!!
They say you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, you teach him to fish and... you gotta get a license and then he has to go to work to pay for the license, and yada yada.
Doug Stanhope has a rad bit about it.
But then he wants to cook the fish but he doesn't have an open fire permit
JonD lmao so true
How else would you propose that we fund management efforts then?
@@Slick_Ric_White my 2 cents was just a reup of a joke by a comedian. But since you ask I have a question back to you... if a man and his family is hungry, no money to be had and children are starving. But he is able to hunt, and has the resource easily available, should it be illegal for him to take a resource to feed himself and family? The thing I see currently and granted it varies state to state. Is that the resource is fewer and the costs continue to grow. Where I am the state has mismanaged the land and for my money it's s loss to the people's resources of the state.
Stewardship ought to be a required class in k-12. It feels like the majority of people don't have a firm grasp on subjects like ecology, land and water management.
Thanks for the shout out for Bakersfield love the show
Love when Joe has Steve and Forrest on!!
So where would somebody find the petition to release a grizzly or two into Golden Gate State Park?
Here in Idaho and the Great Northwest (Wyoming included), the 1996 wolf reintroduction, introduced the wrong wolf! They introduced the Canadian Grey wolf vs the northwest Timber wolf. They Grey wolf is approximately 80 lbs bigger and more aggressive in food asquission, and territory. The elk, deer and moose have all been hit hard by these non native wolfs. And the some 58 Woodland Caribou in the far north are down to about 8 since the wolf introduction. They are the last caribou in the lower 48 (I believe) The Canadian Grey wolf in native (pre European) range barely came to parts of Montana and the panhandle of Idaho ( I’m speaking for the NW, not the Midwest). Now that same wolf ranges all the way into Wyoming, Utah, Oregon and Washington, and moving south down the continental spine of the Rocky’s. And Steve is right, they are VERY hard to hunt due to learned behavior of pressure. Hunting will not get them down to extinction populations. To do that will will have to use unethical means of harvest (and that is a very poor choice of words, more like eradication) we would have to poison they wolf. Which is how we (Americans) did it before for various reasons I won’t get into, and we won’t go there again. They (the Grey wolf) is here to stay, now we as hunters, ranchers and conservationists are going to have to manage them the best we can. Grizzlies are next in line, Wyoming just lost a hunting guide from a Griz attack. They will have to be managed very soon, and it needed to be done yesterday . Great show, keep it up. And thank you Steve for giving the great educated insight on this topic.
This is a very intelligent conversation. I could listen to conversations that are structured like this about almost any topic.
I’d love to get both these guys take on raising and processing domestic animals on your homestead vs the commercial meat market process. Love the show and Steven always has a profound take on and articulates his points well.
I live in East Central Minnesota. Tomorrow is the last day of the firearm deer season. For the 16 day season we have harvested 1 doe and saw 1 other doe between 4 hunters on 80 acres. We were seeing large numbers of deer all summer and predicted a good season only to be very disappointed. Today on my way in from my stand I found a very large wolf track on my property 100 yards from my house. The numbers of wolves in our area have skyrocketed and the packs move into an area and decimate the deer population then move on. We were unlucky enough to have them move in during our season. I raise cattle and hope that my livestock aren't next on the wolf menu. The problem is that the amount of calories it takes to support a large pack of wolves is extraordinary and they have become very bold because of lack of hunting and they move to close for comfort. We now catch lone coyotes hunting during the day because the wolves have killed the majority of the coyotes and survivors have changed tactics. My point is that we are directly affected by the growing wolf population and wolves killing to many deer and threatening livestock, my freezer is easily down 100 pounds of food that my family counts on every year. Multiply that buy 100s of households and the problem becomes unimaginable for a fairly low income portion of the country.
Bubby Crow, I live in Minnesota as well. We used to see 40+ deer on opening weekend and haven’t seen that in years. I’ve even had wolves circling me walking to my stand in the morning. Everyone I’ve talked to about wolves is not happy. Letting things happen naturally is a teeter totter that takes years/decades to even out and that’s not even guaranteed. Hunting is the most efficient management tool at our disposal. It will generate more funding for conservation and start managing the levels of this awesome predator, because we are sure feeling the effects in Minnesota.
@fish mannthey are grey wolves and they are big. Alpha males typically weigh 120+ lbs. The problem that we run into in our area is the fact that they actually hunt for sport. Numerous people have found dead deer with only the guts eaten and they move on. In the spring the fawns are decimated between the wolves and coyotes.
Bad hunters, making excuses. Wolves are not whiping out our deer population. We filled all of our tags opener weekend. Stop it.
@@zachkuby87 I'm not saying that the wolves are killing all the deer. What I am saying is that when wolves move into an area, the deer leave. We had people 20 miles away from us that had an amazing season. Bad hunter is a dick thing to say. It's pretty tough to harvest deer that aren't there. I hope that you don't have a pack move into your hunting area prior to a season. Hopefully your ego can handle not seeing a single deer in a season. But then again, a great hunter like you can probably just make them appear out of the air. Tracks don't lie, we have had 3 sets of deer tracks in the snow throughout the entire season (probably the same deer) and countless wolf tracks some within 50 yards from my house. We have cattle, chickens, dogs and cats and hopefully the wolves move out before my animals are next on the menu because there is definitely no deer in our area for them to eat. If you haven't experienced something, maybe you should keep you judgements to yourself.
@@zachkuby87 I shot a trophy deer this year. We still fill tags like the most people the difference is the amount of deer that I am seeing now compared to years before. The population is definitely taking a hit and the wolves moving into the area is obviously making a difference and of course we have had a bad few winters not saying wolves are the only factor here.
Steve is wise beyond his years. He is very well read and has had countless hours in the wilderness being able to reflect upon the land and himself. He has single-handedly steered me into hunting, whereas I had absolutely no interest before. He has made me realize that hunting is actually the best way to support my love for the land and all animals.
8 months later but I totally agree. I haven't studied up much about him myself but seems to be very articulate, and clearly intelligent. I have a dear friend that lives in Alaska and a single kill of his granted the ability to put food on his family's table for easily months. It's entirely possible to sustain and survive off the grid.
@@corywilliamsmith he is man. He's a nuanced thinker. IIRC he has a MA in Creative Writing from University of Montana. His books are worth reading big time
Hunting truly is the human experience at its finest
An awesome conversation!
We don't even have any federal or provincial population control programs that I am aware of. Hunters buy permits for a specific number of kills and that money goes into other conservation efforts. It's a win/win in my opinion.
We have lots of federal and provincial population control programs. They kill wolves lots and they culled deer in my hometown more then once
What are you talking about? We (Canada) have TONS! Quebec has 48000 square kilometers of controlled zones for fishing and hunting. The number of hunting permits is limited in numbers, periods, species, zones and sex. The number of permits is determined by the animal population etc etc etc.
Pat Lefebvre you tell his ass pat
The permits program itself is often a method of control. For instance in one state you may be able to hunt white tail deer and only tag 3 deer in most counties. But in another state where deer populations are dangerously high you might be able to legally harvest 10 deer.
I’ve hunted my entire life and we use every part of the deer... we even make the hooves into glues and resins. I love hunting I’ve done it many ways spear, bow, gun, knife, etc it’s a part of my culture and my life.
I've never seen a hunter harvest a resource without pausing a minute.Appreciation. EVERY shot takes thought.
Steve Rinella, what a great guy, very intelligent, great shot, great human being.😁👍
Okay but that's pretty cool to be a olden time sailor out in the Pacific and stop by your goat island for a lamb chop
Must have reeked havoc on those islands indigenous species
Thanks for discussing this issue. People just don't understand the situation and need to manage wildlife because our society has changed. Man impacts every facet of this land.
Loved this!
Thank you for representing us huntsmen Steve.
In Ontario we can get wolf tags at a Walmart no draw to enter same with black bear coyotes open all year long in southern Ontario
I paid 140$ a year to hunt here in California. I directly support the animals and habitat with the purchase of my tags. Hippies are idiot's who.have never set foot out the city.
Great discussion. Really enjoy the show Meat Eater. Thanks Joe
Joe has a cool way of asking questions that normal people would think is going against this guys ideas, but he really is just helping him to his story better. *Joe is a great interviewer for sure!*
17:58 Yes, but aren't we part of that balance too? Man has always been part of that balance. Man is an omnivorous predator with an equal right to hunt.
But we are also removing habitat and we are more numerous than any other mammal except for urban rats, which are a by product of our presence. There is no balance except us removing 90% of fauna and living in an ever increasing artificial world.
I live in northern Wisconsin and the reintroduction of wolves have greatly impacted the deer hunting where we live this is the best podcast I have seen from u joe in a long time this really hits home
What's the situation like in Wis, Patrick? I live in the Southeast and know next to nothing about what you guys are up against. How hard are the wolves hitting the whitetail population?
Wolves eat deer. So?
@@jonpatterson7211 I'm from Minnesota, man I will tell you something. Wolves are pissing hunters off year round. We are having limited days on Deer season due to increasing amount of deers that are by killed or harvested by wolves. The only problem is that we can get wolf tags but it is so very difficult to obtain the tags to harvest the wolves in the northern part of Minnesota.
@@jaceforcelle6832 That's a recipe for disaster if I've ever heard one, Jace. What's the chance of a bunch of you guys getting together and getting your state senator to get something done?
@@jonpatterson7211 We can try, I haven't put efforts into it because even if we tried to have more tags, there would be the biggest anti-hunting protest.
And who just doesn’t love being in nature and living right!!!
What a great conversation.
RDR2 brought me here
I waited to hear what they thought about legendary grizzly hunting.
Jones, wait. What?
@JCmasters100 Best game so far. You should try it really fun.
@JCmasters100 i do work and i get that pussy on the regular. U should loosen up a bit feller.
How did rdr2 bring you here?
You need your tags for a doe, a deer, a female deer.
Stop it Ray
awesome clip !
Let's get some Buffalo's up in this peice.
I get Steve. I am all for wildlife conservation since big game hunting had for many years obliterated wild life in my home country India (so the government is really protective of what's left) but at the same time, I understand and am totally fine with it in America since hunters here primarily hunt to conserve and maintain wildlife ecosystems or only for their meat. That's fine by me. But when people hunt without any clear purpose, simply to sell animals' tasks, skin, nails, fangs for money or simply for sport, that's when I am against it.
Steve is so spot on it’s scary, one hell of a representative for sustainability of wildlife. 👊👍😎
Going duck hunting one day getting out of the truck and across the street was a fruit and vegetable stand,I get out get all my gear on grab my shotgun, a big fat woman yells from across the street (what do you think you look tough with that big black gun)
I yelled back to her what do you think you look good in those big black pants !!! LOL she was a little frazzled
6:30 Mountain lions are incredible, but I do my best to avoid wild animals that can kill me with their face.
I understand a lot of people are so detached from nature they don't understand what it's actually like, but saying you want to see a mountain lion just out and about in their area is some next level bs.
My dad always says that when we go camping and i cant tell him enough how bad it would be
I spend alot of nights every year in the backcountry and am always grateful when I'm lucky enough to see a large predator like Grizzlies or a mountain lion. How exactly is that "next level BS?" I'm prepared to defend myself if need be, but so far I haven't had to.
Jesse N Clearly I'm talking about people who are NOT actually prepared.
The people who go into the woods once a month to hike and take selfies, while being too distracted to realize they've wandered up on something until they're already too close for comfort. Luckily those people are usually loud enough animals can avoid them though.
Oh I wanna see a lion in my back yard, it would be so beautiful and majestic as it claws my face off and eats my pets.
Lost my cat to a lion this winter. Sad but glad the Lions are around.
I would enjoy very much to meet up with joe and Steve to continue this conversation. I would like to expand on this conversation. I have spent a lot of time discussing the topics, and have a often noticed that many issues are overlooked and brushed under the rug. Diseases and human impacts other than hunting are the most detrimental to the wildlife and the environment.
Great job Steve well said!!
My mother hates hunting I wanna go this fall.
Deer meat is extremely healthy. More than most store bought meats.
@@motonut4503 elk is better
Mee too
Hunting and killing has been enjoyed by humans for hundreds of thousands for years. Enjoyed, not tolerated, enjoyed.
Earth humans are an experiment by ET humans. We've been here less than 9000 years.
Great video all species have to b kept in check
Wow. How am I just seeing this!? Steve is awesome, love his content and clearly having him here on the show with Joe, we the people get to enjoy a very intellectual conversation. Fuckin love it!
The thing about the Grey Wolf in Michigan is grown to a point now we are seeing Hunters losing Hunting Dogs, Wolfs coming into Yards in the UP and taking there home pets there came a point where they needed Hunted back down to origin Numbers as they were to start with. It’s proven that they are Proliferating pretty darn fast.😊
If everyone hunted. If everyone had a small farm with their own crops and animals to live off of, this world might be a beautiful awesome place.
This guy is a legend !
Steve your my hero a true living legend
Lmao from this to having Kanye west on, its such an amazing contrast
“They want to see mountain lions.” Lol no you don’t, if you see a mountain lion it’s probably been following you for a few miles and is waiting for a chance to attack you.
Completely awesome.
Before watching this episode I was one of those people who didn't care.
This small clip has made me aware and has changed my outlook and prespective on this topic.
Thanks Joe.
You know what we really need is open season on seals up and down the oregon and Washington coast. Seals are obnoxious, they are aggressive, they kill dogs swimming, they have even killed children, and their biggest impact is they are killing off our salmon populations. Salmon feed so so many people, they are very delicious and people can make a living off of charters, guiding, or commercial fishing. Seals are the opposite, most people wouldnt eat them, they dont do any good whats so ever except provide Californians something to take a picture of while they are stopped in the middle of the highway, or going 20 mph under the speed limit
I've never heard about kids or dogs but they are driving certain endangered salmon to the absolute edge of extinction
If you are anti-hunting, the only way you can have a valid position is if you are either vegan or vegetarian
They are the ones who are most uninformed.
Tons of animals are killed every year protecting vegetable and grain crops. From mice, to pigeons, to deer and the list goes on. Then add the environmental impact from herbicides, pesticides, etc. There is no free lunch for being a lettuce muncher either.
Steve Rinella very smart man. People don't underestimate.
when they were talking about mountain lions i was thinking “hey there’s a lot here in bakersfield and tehachapi” and then he says the same thing hahah
Ppl literally think wild animals are farmed raised hahahaha WTF?! Ppl really need to get educated
watching the wolf situation here in Wisconsin, I oppose the amount of wolves here, as we don't have enough open country to limit the interaction with people and their lives. however, managing them on the state level, I don't think we can do that effective either. our whitetail deer populations are not favorable and in the average hunters eyes, the management seems to revolve around the amount of revenue gained from offering more. Selling additional antlerless tags where deer are harvested in great numbers only in areas where public land is accessible. private land areas or areas near cities/towns remain unaffected by the movement and a vast amount of hunters with public land access only can go seasons without even seeing a deer. limited draw areas like the state of Wyoming I can see having a positive impact here, but the main fact that I cant get away from is the amount of open undisturbed land we have. even our elk population in the clam lake area, its no secret where they are because theres only so many places that they can go without human interaction. wolves would be no different I feel and only hurt the remaining struggling deer population. even our coyote populations are getting out of control near cities like Milwaukee which have no effective way to manage them from a sportsmans perspective, are seeing negative interactions with pets and livestock because the predator populations are being pushed to greater lengths to find food and land.
danpischke as a Wisconsin native, I second this👌🏼
Sadly last year I had 2 people kill deer right where I was going to sit in. Pretty sad days. Needless to say, never saw another and walked out emptyhanded