@@berzerkbankie1342 He is tho. At the very least 5'6. I know ppl like to joke about Joe's height but he legitamately is 5'6-5'7. The easiest way to tell is to just judge his size next to the UFC fighters he interviews after their fights. Joe looks the same height as most fighters in the 5'6-5'8 range
@@vagabond57097 You're joking, right?? lol Those fighters are barefoot in the cage. A standard shoe (or sneaker) will give you about 1", but boots can give you 2", and for a price (which height-challenged rich men are happy to pay), regular looking shoes can be bought that have a 2" (or higher) sole, pretty well concealed. Traditionally they're called "elevator shoes". But that's just the outside of the shoe. Have you never heard of lifts?? Lifts are inserted inside the shoe, usually just where the heel sits, lifting the heel up. A 1" lift is the most common, as it's the most comfortable, and the least obvious. But 2" lifts can be worn as well. Some guys even go over that by up to maybe 3", but that tends to be quite obvious as it can alter the man's gait unnaturally, making him walk around gingerly like a woman in high heels. It kinda juts the knees outward, and the shoes, even in black, tend to look a little wonky. Elevator shoes at that height are also made wider at the base, for extra stability so the man doesn't turn an ankle. Stallone and Cruise have both worn 3" elevator shoes. But 2" is more common for short guys. So let's see, you said the average fighter height is 5'7". And they're in bare feet when Joe interviews them in the cage. Well, if Joe is, as you say, the same height as them, then he would be at most 5'6" in bare feet, that is if he's wearing a standard shoe. But let's say he "lifts" like so many other short men in the entertainment business. We'll give him a modest 1.5" heel on his shoe, to be conservative. And just a 1" lift inside the shoe, again being conservative. That means in bare feet he's 5'4 1/2". And if he gets 2" on the sole and wears 2" lift inserts, then he's 5'3" in bare feet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d love to hear their hunting banter. Until you’ve sat in a hut 4 hours from the nearest pavement road with no electricity with your friends for a couple of days you don’t know the value of how conversation and how weird they can get.
To be honest, I'm an auto worker, and the boredom of line work can lead down this road as well. No doubt some of the conversations we engage in are so far out there, we would be fired if someone was to over hear them. The human brain has no limits when trying to find relief from monotony.
I love that people talk about George the Animal Steele as a Neanderthal but in real life he was a teacher with a master’s degree in science back when a master’s degree in science actually meant something.
I had a teacher in high school who was a rugby player, he was 6'8" , he had the sloping forehead , the stuck out lower jaw, he was exactly what the cartoons draw as a neanderthal lol
Their skeleton is very similar to that of apes so they were considered less evolved and new evidence of possibly burying their dead and art has come out recently.
@@robschanaynay3500 I sure love it when half-wits that haven't studied a topic pretend they did and want to tell you what's what lmao "The researchers also found that the Neanderthal’s ribs connected with the spine in an inward direction, meaning that the spine was slightly more indented into the chest cavity than ours. "The Neanderthal spine is located more inside the thorax, which provides more stability," says Gómez-Olivencia. This would have forced the chest cavity to a more outward direction, causing the spine to tilt backwards slightly. The result was a straighter spine. Neanderthals, it seems, did not have as much of a lumbar curve as modern humans have." www.forbes.com/sites/fionamcmillan/2018/11/02/neanderthals-had-straighter-spines-and-took-deeper-breaths/#367b34c29a40
They seem to walk upright based on the evidence but their spine was still more ape like, the marked lumbar curve is exclusively human while the lack of it is ape like since its shared with the rest of the apes. Think you can fit that head of yours?
They were much shorter than that on average at least just like average height now days is 5'9 but you can find people that are 6'4 or taller so maybe some of them were 5'7
Whenever I hear these magic words from a specialist, my respect for them increases significantly. And those words are 'I don't know the answer to that'.
He's not a "specialist' or an anthropologist for that matter. This was just two guys talking. Not many facts or details presented, and that's OK, it's just for fun.
He was friends with my 9th grade math teacher, who lived in Sterling Heights, but taught in Detroit. I can't remember where George taught, but when our teacher told us that George taught high school, he cracked up at our dumbfounded faces. I remember watching Tim Burton's film, "Ed Wood", and couldn't get that memory out of my head.
if I remember correctly from my studies (paleoanthropology), the skeletons of Neanderthals indicated that they were not able to throw spears.. (something about their shoulder joints had some limitations we do not have) and furthermore the bones showed they had muscle attachements that indicates they had immense power thrusting spears, so I think Joe and Steve are correct saying they were mixing it up with big animals.. Bears, wild oxen and the like. In addition they were clearly not runners unlike the newcomer humans that could run their wounded prey down and finish them off using missile weapons like short spears with the atl-atl throwing stick. Neanderthals was ambush predators and knowing how alert animals are, they had to have exceptional stealth skills to get that close to an animal, or maybe they got close to a big animal which then charged them to protect itself. Clearly strong individuals that had to be able to communicate verbally to plan the hunting strategy.
One of the most interesting hunting methods they used was not killing the animal but scaring it into falling off a cliff side and then collecting it from the bottom. Brilliant way to not have to actually go toe to toe with a wolly mammoth but outsmarting it into killing itself
Randy Marsh would be very happy about this particular conversation. It is good to see people finally recognize people like Randy Marsh. He deserves some representation, too.
It's also very possible that Neanderthals could speak. They had the u-shaped hyoid bone and a nearly-human version of FOXP2, a gene known to be critically important for normal speech and language.
One of the reasons we think of them as clumsy brutes is because one of the first full skeletons was badly arthritic giving us the wrong impression of them even until today . They buried their dead made jewellery,art and made a complex glue for their spears . So they where pretty cognitive maybe just as much as us since we interbreed with them so we must have been able to communicate with them etc .
Some people today have a lot of neanderthal in them. The receding chin is often seen on people with blonde or red hair. The lump at the back base of the scull can be seen on many people and the nose that comes away from the face at a sharper angle gives people a big or bent nose and it's fairly common. Genes change over time and this hasn't been taken into account.
Regarding Neanderthal weaponry, we know a little more about this by now. We haven't found evidence of 'atlatls' (spear-throwers, or dart-throwers, where a spear was launched from a kind of hook, increasing the range), but we do know that Neanderthals had javelins - probably dual-purpose hunting and combat weapons - and also that the chafing of their long-bones (arms) show them as 'highly-trained' hunters and fighters. So, they could probably throw an ordinary javelin almost as far as 'we' could throw an atlatl. (Perhaps a few exceptional warriors could even throw them further). Also, going against the cliches, they stood slightly more upright than modern humans...
We have a set of neanderthal stone tools in our lab and we also have a set of early modern human stone tools from East Africa. It blew my mind how much more sophisticated the Neanderthal tools were than the sapiens tools the first time I saw them. Also, Neanderthals certainly hafted tools like spears and knives. Concerning the skeletal injuries, the pattern of injuries between sexes only becomes pronounced after the introduction of agricultural and sedentary living so even early modern humans who were hunter gatherers have less distinctive injury patterns.
@@admiralkipper4540 😂😂 but thanks god we ain't related to neanderthal..we are original human....0 progress in Africa you are in pain now exposing your true neanderthal colours 😂😂😂😂😂...0 progress African dont care what you say😂😂
It always astounded me how we base the idea of inteligence arround body to brain ratio, know neardenthals had bigger brains than homo sapiens, and still assume that they were just dumber and less sophisticated and thats why they died out. Becuse it just doesnt fit in our way of thinking that the smarter animal might not survive for whatever other reason.
Hey Joe, George "the animal" Steele was a high school football coach in Michigan. I went to Warren Fitzgerald (class of 89), and we played football against him every year. Very non Neanderthal. Very intelligent and articulate, but a he'll of an actor in the wrestling world. Guys who played against him were more intimidated of him then the actual players unless you actually spoke to him. Research it dude. Love your show. Love mma. Much respect to you brother.
I actually did a DNA test with 23 and me. I'm in the upper 75% of neanderthal DNA. 😂 Meaning, I have more neanderthal DNA than 75% of other people who did the test. The criteria of 1-5% of our DNA isn't used anymore - which never made sense to me because chimps share 97% of our DNA with us. 🤷♂️ Homo sapiens are certainly more closely related to neanderthals than we are chimps, though. Evolutionary biology is weird.
Steven rinella is a published author, amazing hunter, outdoorsman, sportsman, historian, great at cooking, super smart and well educated in the ways of wildlife conservation, ecosystems, animals, etc. he’s also a super humble and down to earth dude.
The "theory" that Joe referenced was, "Neanderthal: Profile of a super predator". The creature that the writer imagined was sort of a LAND ORCA. It is mostly silly, as Joe said, but there were some actual valid points made. It is an interesting rabbit hole to go down for an hour or two.
Recreation of these skeletons with human characteristics is misleading to an extent. If you do the same to a chimp skull it's gonna look like the shit you see at museums. But if you put ape features on them it's more believable imo. An extinct line of Bipedal Primates.
@@JamesHolmez Except they were genetically close enough to interbreed with humans, made tools, developed specialized bone tools before humans, built structures in caves, actively deforested areas in their habitat, made art, made jewellery, evidence of them making hide rafts. But yea they were definitely australopithecines with fur.
@@georgethompson1460 The paper suggests they were super human compared to us and more like real life Uruk-hai from LoTR, smarter, faster and stronger than us in every way. Fossil evidence backs much of it up just not entirely. There's definite evidence that they ate Homo Sapians as well as each other and the breeding didn't have consent involved.
One thing not mentioned but significant is that Neanderthals had burial customs in addition to representational art. These were thinking beings with social customs.
neanderthals showed the first signs of religion with their shallow graves - why the shallow graves - could it be they were going to that mystical place and hunting with their dead hunting friend - what was this mystical place = dreams - neanderthal evolved to the point that they were realizing their dreams and honored their dead in their dreams with the first religion of shallow graves
All this evidence indicate that the Neandarthals did not actually die out. 'Modern science', is nothing but bullshit propaganda, to have us alm believe "we're the same". One of the biggest fucking lies we've ever been told.
"There were Giants in the earth in those days and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
He is white so he has neanderthal DNA scientist already proved that for example: white skin, straight hair, blue eyes are some of neanderthal DNA heritage. Average human has a great misperception of neanderthal potentials, looks... because of false old learning/myths about neanderthal.
@@dolenzmcqueen8316 There’s someone else who commented on this video stating he was in his class year of 89. From what I gather he taught PE, or what Americans call ‘gym’.
Steve is right about the confrontational hunting style. It’s not that the intelligence level between them and Homo sapiens was that different, just the physical aspect was vastly different. Which eventually was the downfall of Neanderthals. Because Homo sapiens couldn’t physically take on Sabre tooths or other big animals up close, they had to master ranged weapons and that carried them to the future.
5:20 it is well accepted by the specific shoulder injuries they suffered that they likely used at the very least spears used like a pike. I.e. hold onto it braced butt of spear on the ground and get the animal to charge into it.
On the Neanderthal: It was suggested at some point that humans were so much more attractive, and mystifying with shiny jewelry, that we bred them out of existence.
Are there any estimates for the neanderthal population by the time modern humans had a presence in Eurasia? It may have been that they didn't even die off that much, but that their population was largely absorbed through interbreeding. Neanderthals lived in smaller groups compared to homo sapiens, who lived and migrated in much larger tribes. I'm guessing it was a mix of dying off, via violence, losing territory, etc... and simply being absorbed. 2-5% neanderthal Dna in modern humans is no small amount. Interbreeding probably was more than just a few isolated incidents I would think.
8:15 With Göbekli Tepe dating back to 10500+ BC, 200ish underground cities in Turkey/Southern Europe and no knowledge of who really built what before, it makes you wonder just what exactly Neanderthals did with that brain. Of course nobody wants to see if some of these places could have been made by Neanderthals (despite the unusually small ceiling heights), because civilization began 6500 years ago cause the bible says so, ya know. Nowadays, it's because too many Archaeologists sell textbooks.
A really enlightening book on this is Invaders . its about the domestication of Dogs and how this may have enabled us to outcompete Neanderthals and other apex predators in europe.
Some scientist have said it was vocal cords. Neanderthals could not have inticrit language. Could not pass down knowledge and in battle could not communicate like homosepians. I think it was on BBC.
George the Animal Steele was also a Highschool teacher in Madison Heights Michigan. He was also a football coach and is inducted into the Michigan Coaches Hall of Fame.
I think Steve may be the greatest hunter/naturalist that has ever lived. Also, there is a lot of genetic evidence to suggest humans and Neanderthals interbred. As in, some people with lineage to certain parts of the world have genes that suggest an ancestor mated with Neanderthals. I forget the name of the doc, but the point was Neanderthals didn’t go extinct but basically were bread into our species and blending happened. Not sure what the pros think in 2020. But as a former biologist, my training of from what I’ve studied in nature basically says, if two organisms can mate, based on several life history traits, they will. Would be interesting to know definitively.
It made me quite upset Pääbo called them animals, yet designated the homo genus nomenclator. None-the-less I am enthralled to explore the differences in decision making mental models between the sapien, neanderthal, denisova and likely many more. What an excitement in the understanding of human evolution!
The simple fact is that groups that breed only with each other begin to develop specific and sometimes unique traits. 10000 years from now I wonder what an archaeologist would think of redheads. Since Redheads only occur when both family lines have the trait. It is quite likely that reheads will eventually be bred out. Consider all the blood lines that have been ended due to slaughter, disease and disasters. Is it possible that the supposed different types of humans were simply interbred groups that either died out or were bred out due to a combination of recessive and dominant genes? What if the people we identify as neanderthals had to breed with shared bloodlines to show those distinctive traits. What about the Basque people. They have distinctive genetics. No one thinks they are a different type of human. Just brainstorming.
Same as Neanderthals... Primitive homo sapiens would've killed them off + natural disasters off coarse.. We also would've raped them and took there genetics, which most likely advanced the human race further because of it. The scraping of Neanderthal skulls is very likely from homo sapiens eating the brain and not Neanderthals, as the markings are similar/same.
What? Him?... Nah, he don't got the means to be a neanderthal, he just some frail Homo sapien who got gud is all. But that is simply not enough! *slams fist on the table*
If I remember correctly, Neanderthals didn’t have the flexibility in the shoulder joint to support launching spears, so stone tools made more sense from a physiological standpoint
Gotta love two guys sitting there openly admitting they’ve done minimal research and nothing to verify their ideas And then making wildly confident (and misguided) statements. A JRE classic
If you think about the cave paintings, think this through. You have these beasts that are being hunted, and the spears in the paintings are protruding from the "kill zones" of the beasts, heart, lungs, necks, the bleed-out zones. I put forth the theory that the paintings were not art, the painters present very accurate depictions, yes, but I theorize that those pictures were instructional depictions for the young hunters as to the placement of their spears.
Breeding with Neanderthals was essential to our success in the modern day. One of the main genes we inherited from Neanderthals is called MCPH1 and helps to ensure that our brains develop properly. In sub-saharan African populations, with almost no Neanderthal DNA, we see a consistent pattern of developmental brain issues. For example, some studies showing a 9X higher rate of schizophrenia
Neanderthals must have been pretty smart they had art ,language ,death customs ,stone tools and weapons and they where very successful in Europe and existed a lot longer than modern humans ! For their tools and weapons they made a very good glue from certain tree saps and other ingredients and the process of creating it was really complex and a lot of thought was put into it !! This isn't the behaviour of a normal animal ! They where defenetly conscious and self aware this is pretty hard to dispute they weren't given all the evidence we have about them .
Ok this is an alternative pov. The eye sockets of Neanderthal skulls are much larger than in Cromagnum skulls. Thats us by the way. So the Shape of the Neanderthal skulls leads paleo-anthropologists to conclude that their visual cortex was larger than Cromagnum. That leads me to wonder if they had night vision like a cat. So they were by far more carnivorous than us. Ok they were about 6 times stronger. So here we have an apex preditor possibly nocturnal who's up to 6 times stronger than us. So yeah maybe they just came over to our camps the wimpy new competition to share Wooly Mamoth recipes and sing Kumbaja. Why not?
"Neanderthals were 5ft7 and jacked" aka Joe Rogan
Joe wishes he was 5 foot 7
I thought Joe was 5'8
Joe 'Neanderthal' Rogan
@@castle_45 ja-ja-ja-jaaaaacked
A Neanderthal would pull Rogan's arms out and beat him with the bloody stumps. Or any other modern human.
Joe Rogan is the missing link to modern human evolution
Darwins the discover head of history most species and changes he noted.
The new Alex Jones
c j evolution is false
He us of the jewtalian subspicies
WARTEAM DWA sure it is bro. Sure it is.
"I don't know the answer to that" - Steve Rinella
It's amazing how such a simple statement can earn so much respect.
he's a very honest and truthful guy.
ikr it's annoying when people pretend to know things they don't.
100% I thought the same thing
So, so, true.
What lmao? A guy saying Idk garners respect....ok
"They were about 5'7 and weighed 200lbs, just jacked little gorilla thing" He just described himself haha
Lmao 🤣 I had to repeat this comment to my husband and we both cracked up!
Joe wishes he was 5'7"
@@berzerkbankie1342 He is tho. At the very least 5'6. I know ppl like to joke about Joe's height but he legitamately is 5'6-5'7. The easiest way to tell is to just judge his size next to the UFC fighters he interviews after their fights. Joe looks the same height as most fighters in the 5'6-5'8 range
@@vagabond57097 You're joking, right?? lol Those fighters are barefoot in the cage. A standard shoe (or sneaker) will give you about 1", but boots can give you 2", and for a price (which height-challenged rich men are happy to pay), regular looking shoes can be bought that have a 2" (or higher) sole, pretty well concealed. Traditionally they're called "elevator shoes". But that's just the outside of the shoe. Have you never heard of lifts?? Lifts are inserted inside the shoe, usually just where the heel sits, lifting the heel up. A 1" lift is the most common, as it's the most comfortable, and the least obvious. But 2" lifts can be worn as well. Some guys even go over that by up to maybe 3", but that tends to be quite obvious as it can alter the man's gait unnaturally, making him walk around gingerly like a woman in high heels. It kinda juts the knees outward, and the shoes, even in black, tend to look a little wonky. Elevator shoes at that height are also made wider at the base, for extra stability so the man doesn't turn an ankle. Stallone and Cruise have both worn 3" elevator shoes. But 2" is more common for short guys.
So let's see, you said the average fighter height is 5'7". And they're in bare feet when Joe interviews them in the cage. Well, if Joe is, as you say, the same height as them, then he would be at most 5'6" in bare feet, that is if he's wearing a standard shoe. But let's say he "lifts" like so many other short men in the entertainment business. We'll give him a modest 1.5" heel on his shoe, to be conservative. And just a 1" lift inside the shoe, again being conservative. That means in bare feet he's 5'4 1/2". And if he gets 2" on the sole and wears 2" lift inserts, then he's 5'3" in bare feet.
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@@Cosmo-Kramerwhat kind of mental problems do you have that you took the time to type all that out about Joe Rogan’s height
Now where would Joe find a 5’7” guy who’s 200 lbs and jacked?
The mirror.
“It would be great to see it” he says whilst looking directly into the eyes of a Neanderthal
@@backwardsbrain2255 my mirror everyday 5'9 and 235
Joe isn't up to 200. He said he's about 190
I'm 5,7 170 from the local whats good 😄
I’d love to hear their hunting banter. Until you’ve sat in a hut 4 hours from the nearest pavement road with no electricity with your friends for a couple of days you don’t know the value of how conversation and how weird they can get.
Lmao, ikr? It can get twist up pree damn good!
To be honest, I'm an auto worker, and the boredom of line work can lead down this road as well. No doubt some of the conversations we engage in are so far out there, we would be fired if someone was to over hear them. The human brain has no limits when trying to find relief from monotony.
@@richardthompson5436 Richard I know exactly who you are and will be reporting you to HR
@@watsappenin2865 All this time, I thought you were someone I could trust, sheesh.
Nope
I have never seen joes ears.
He hasnt got any
What ears ?
Your not a real fan
you've never seen your dick either.
Oh shit dont ever mention them again... it might be too late. I will be deleting this comment
Joe "This guy could be a caveman. See if you can get a picture of him" Rogan
“He’s a legend he won’t get offended “
You’re literally just ripping random quotes from the video
Anti-HyperLink loool
@@Anti-HyperLink that’s the point , it’s literally the format of the joke
I love that people talk about George the Animal Steele as a Neanderthal but in real life he was a teacher with a master’s degree in science back when a master’s degree in science actually meant something.
I swear they refer to his looks not personality
Was checking if someone else caught this. He was a professor at a college as well.
Nobody:
Joe: I wonder if Neanderthals ever did DMT
John Johnson
Nobody:
John Johnson: JoE SaY DmT sOmEtImEs
Probably discovered it
Way to take two dead memes and make one giant, garbage meme
they did
I mean they probably did it In the form of hallucinogenic mushrooms unless cows didn’t shit on the ground back then.. maybe cows didn’t exist
I had a teacher in high school who was a rugby player, he was 6'8" , he had the sloping forehead , the stuck out lower jaw, he was exactly what the cartoons draw as a neanderthal lol
I've seen similar things thise russian people certain ones look that way theres a famous very tall russian fighter like that
Ya he was crazy too, he would come in with fingers bent the wrong way and shit like it didnt even bug him...that caveman pain tolerance
Too tall for a Neanderthal
Denisovans. They had similar bone structure to Neanderthals but could have been up to 7ft tall and were thought to live in Siberia
Except neanderthals were considered short
I love how Neanderthals were always considered to be idiots until we realized we carry their DNA. Suddenly they were successful and smart 😆
yeah, that is somehow always the first human impulse.
We still completely underrate animal intelligence
Their skeleton is very similar to that of apes so they were considered less evolved and new evidence of possibly burying their dead and art has come out recently.
Eugene Sheely no. Their skeleton eas almost indistinguishable from human skeleton. Apelike in the sense we are apes only. N
@@robschanaynay3500 I sure love it when half-wits that haven't studied a topic pretend they did and want to tell you what's what lmao
"The researchers also found that the Neanderthal’s ribs connected with the spine in an inward direction, meaning that the spine was slightly more indented into the chest cavity than ours.
"The Neanderthal spine is located more inside the thorax, which provides more stability," says Gómez-Olivencia.
This would have forced the chest cavity to a more outward direction, causing the spine to tilt backwards slightly. The result was a straighter spine. Neanderthals, it seems, did not have as much of a lumbar curve as modern humans have."
www.forbes.com/sites/fionamcmillan/2018/11/02/neanderthals-had-straighter-spines-and-took-deeper-breaths/#367b34c29a40
They seem to walk upright based on the evidence but their spine was still more ape like, the marked lumbar curve is exclusively human while the lack of it is ape like since its shared with the rest of the apes. Think you can fit that head of yours?
"Like 5'7 and 200 pounds" when you're the same size as a neanderthal
Except you're probably a fat sack of shit.
I too am 5’7 and 200lbs and I too am a fat sack of shit
They were much shorter than that on average at least just like average height now days is 5'9 but you can find people that are 6'4 or taller so maybe some of them were 5'7
@@MIKE2111ful I think they were shorter and stockier (for their climate) but not that much shorter.
@@gordistador they were 5'4-5'5 on average humans were 5'6-5'7 on average during those times
"That guy doesn't give a f***. He's a legend." lol
I laughed at that too
Classic talk-time Joe! an absolutely brilliant show. Class man. Thank you; you two've given us 'food for thought'.
joe "mushrooms started everything" rogan
wheres that in the video?
Always a hoot to watch people get triggered by facts that don't align with their 21st century cultural sensibilities.
Rapper NB there’s a video with Paul Stamet where he talks about how mushrooms are the most intelligent species on the planet
This joke was maybe funny the first 5,000 times.
@@kylepomeroyk-pom5499 no one's ever claimed that, buddy
Whenever I hear these magic words from a specialist, my respect for them increases significantly. And those words are
'I don't know the answer to that'.
He's not a "specialist' or an anthropologist for that matter. This was just two guys talking. Not many facts or details presented, and that's OK, it's just for fun.
George was extremely well spoken and a high school teacher. Great performer.
He was friends with my 9th grade math teacher, who lived in Sterling Heights, but taught in Detroit. I can't remember where George taught, but when our teacher told us that George taught high school, he cracked up at our dumbfounded faces. I remember watching Tim Burton's film, "Ed Wood", and couldn't get that memory out of my head.
Ron Perlman comes to mind... he actually played one in the 80s lol
quest for fire! great movie!
Talk about being made for a role. Quest for Fire needs a modern remake!
if I remember correctly from my studies (paleoanthropology), the skeletons of Neanderthals indicated that they were not able to throw spears.. (something about their shoulder joints had some limitations we do not have) and furthermore the bones showed they had muscle attachements that indicates they had immense power thrusting spears, so I think Joe and Steve are correct saying they were mixing it up with big animals.. Bears, wild oxen and the like. In addition they were clearly not runners unlike the newcomer humans that could run their wounded prey down and finish them off using missile weapons like short spears with the atl-atl throwing stick. Neanderthals was ambush predators and knowing how alert animals are, they had to have exceptional stealth skills to get that close to an animal, or maybe they got close to a big animal which then charged them to protect itself. Clearly strong individuals that had to be able to communicate verbally to plan the hunting strategy.
I agree with what you said but may you please tell me what your studies are?
Lions don't talk, yet hunt together with each knowing it's part in the hunt
@@chrismiller6095 Chimpanzee group hunts are highly orchestrated--even by human standards--yet they don't plan them verbally, either.
One of the most interesting hunting methods they used was not killing the animal but scaring it into falling off a cliff side and then collecting it from the bottom. Brilliant way to not have to actually go toe to toe with a wolly mammoth but outsmarting it into killing itself
Sounds like Black Africans came through and gifted Europeans Humanity...
5 7 200 pounds, Joe just described himself
I am 5,6 and 220 pounds and I got no belly fat
@@captainsisko7629 dang son what you on lol
dale Wilson Why a man would ask another man that baffles me
@@BrownPatriot316 so what who gives a fuck what you think. And I didn't ask anything I made a statement you loser!
@@captainsisko7629 Bet you look like spongebob when he got inflatable arms
Joe “that guy has the hariest shoulders I’ve ever seen on a man” Rogan
...on a man? lol
Josh potter
Meaning he's seen hairiier shoulders on a woman? Yikes!
Randy Marsh would be very happy about this particular conversation. It is good to see people finally recognize people like Randy Marsh. He deserves some representation, too.
Joe “I go back and fourth” Rogan
*forth
*fifth
Joe "inconsistent thoughts" Rogan
Patrick “words confuse me” Fitzgerald
C_minus 🤣🤣🤣
"Clay Guida is pound for pound the greatest Neanderthal in the history of the UFC." - Joe Rogan
Valuev is pound for pound the greatest Neanderthal in the history of the boxing
It's also very possible that Neanderthals could speak.
They had the u-shaped hyoid bone and a nearly-human version of FOXP2, a gene known to be critically important for normal speech and language.
gammer racist, complex language existed long before whites
@@nicholasoneal1521 Holy shit what a brain dead comment....to keep it VERY simple for you.....no shit...but that's not what he was saying....
@@nicholasoneal1521 what the fuck is your problem
One of the reasons we think of them as clumsy brutes is because one of the first full skeletons was badly arthritic giving us the wrong impression of them even until today . They buried their dead made jewellery,art and made a complex glue for their spears . So they where pretty cognitive maybe just as much as us since we interbreed with them so we must have been able to communicate with them etc .
I've always thought Brock Lesnar was half neanderthal.
Don Quixote Doflamingo na he half steroids & full BEASTTTT
Half beast man man more like
Don Quixote Doflamingo hhh
Half neanderthal, half albino, half viking
Don Quixote Doflamingo look up Nikolai valuev lol that’s a 100% Neanderthal
Some people today have a lot of neanderthal in them. The receding chin is often seen on people with blonde or red hair. The lump at the back base of the scull can be seen on many people and the nose that comes away from the face at a sharper angle gives people a big or bent nose and it's fairly common. Genes change over time and this hasn't been taken into account.
am i the only one noticing his neck palpitations???
Well, you were until you pointed it out. Now I can't not notice it.
WTF is that?
I wasn’t going to point out. Seems a bit rude.
What’s a palpitation
@@letsgotomarsman kind of fruit
Joe “Neanderthal” Rogan
Bet Joe has 10% Neanderthal
Stfu
Khabib is fucking Neanderthal Joe just healthy lol
AB Z europeans are 98 % neanderthal.
@@19374hklmaq stfu
Regarding Neanderthal weaponry, we know a little more about this by now. We haven't found evidence of 'atlatls' (spear-throwers, or dart-throwers, where a spear was launched from a kind of hook, increasing the range), but we do know that Neanderthals had javelins - probably dual-purpose hunting and combat weapons - and also that the chafing of their long-bones (arms) show them as 'highly-trained' hunters and fighters.
So, they could probably throw an ordinary javelin almost as far as 'we' could throw an atlatl. (Perhaps a few exceptional warriors could even throw them further). Also, going against the cliches, they stood slightly more upright than modern humans...
There was a bone pierced by a spear that seems to have been made by a thrown spear.
We have a set of neanderthal stone tools in our lab and we also have a set of early modern human stone tools from East Africa. It blew my mind how much more sophisticated the Neanderthal tools were than the sapiens tools the first time I saw them. Also, Neanderthals certainly hafted tools like spears and knives. Concerning the skeletal injuries, the pattern of injuries between sexes only becomes pronounced after the introduction of agricultural and sedentary living so even early modern humans who were hunter gatherers have less distinctive injury patterns.
And look at subsaharan Africans today and how they have made exactly 0 progress toward civilisation. Guess being fully human is undesirable
@@admiralkipper4540 😂😂 but thanks god we ain't related to neanderthal..we are original human....0 progress in Africa you are in pain now exposing your true neanderthal colours 😂😂😂😂😂...0 progress African dont care what you say😂😂
@admiralkipper4540 I don't think you said it in a pejorative way but...... *What?*
It always astounded me how we base the idea of inteligence arround body to brain ratio, know neardenthals had bigger brains than homo sapiens, and still assume that they were just dumber and less sophisticated and thats why they died out.
Becuse it just doesnt fit in our way of thinking that the smarter animal might not survive for whatever other reason.
1:50 why is his neck pulsating like that
Because when you move your face your neck moves too thats how muscles work.
I saw it as well. It was odd perhaps a flaw in the camera work.
Its a mask!
Hey Joe, George "the animal" Steele was a high school football coach in Michigan. I went to Warren Fitzgerald (class of 89), and we played football against him every year. Very non Neanderthal. Very intelligent and articulate, but a he'll of an actor in the wrestling world. Guys who played against him were more intimidated of him then the actual players unless you actually spoke to him. Research it dude. Love your show. Love mma. Much respect to you brother.
All he said was that he thinks that’s what humans used to look like he didn’t say George was a Neanderthal
He was referring to his looks dude
@@stonemonk549 and how he acted in ring.
Some humans have 0.1% to 4% Neanderthal DNA, Rogan however, has about 60 to 75% ;)
The average is 4 to 8 percent. Joe Rogan is not in this statistic.
@@irongrip5314 Butthurt Irongrip, he is past this statistic. He more neanderthal than homo-sapien
I actually did a DNA test with 23 and me. I'm in the upper 75% of neanderthal DNA. 😂
Meaning, I have more neanderthal DNA than 75% of other people who did the test.
The criteria of 1-5% of our DNA isn't used anymore - which never made sense to me because chimps share 97% of our DNA with us. 🤷♂️
Homo sapiens are certainly more closely related to neanderthals than we are chimps, though.
Evolutionary biology is weird.
@@Jason918114 Clever, I see what you did there, haha.
@Zahid Ismail get on my level of 99%
I like the way Steve explains things. If it’s a joke he’s telling, you don’t know until the very end.
The best part of the clip is that it starts off with “I wish I had a bit more of that floating around in me” - Steve Rinella
This guy hes interviewing just looks like some random dude you went to high school.with that somehow ended up on the show
He has a netflix show. It is a bad ass hunting show
Prob cuz it’s his best friend. Dudes an amazing chef
Steven rinella is a published author, amazing hunter, outdoorsman, sportsman, historian, great at cooking, super smart and well educated in the ways of wildlife conservation, ecosystems, animals, etc. he’s also a super humble and down to earth dude.
Good call! He's that guy you went to highschool with who still listens to all the same bands.
Yes he does.
But hes not that. Rinella is a stud
“Mixing it up, with big animals”
Wonderful
George Steel used to do a connector an electronics store in Ventura ca. Back in the late 80s. Very well spoken and eloquent
Joe "I'd roll my Rs every time if I could" Rogan
8:08 wtf is that ad on the side
HinaCabina lmao
@Table-Country pinxing THRYM Firearms 27 the click bait is getting stronger
I did 23&me. Said I had 2% Neanderthal. I was thrilled.
RIP Neaderthals
I'm still here
They never existed
I still haven’t gotten over their extinction
so sad :(
King Andres what do u mean, how was their skull not compatible with the atmosphere
@mista.zero Those are the two most successful races in the world
Steve Rinella gives me confidence as a fellow 5-head
I remember watching the broadcast with that reporter and George in a public park. Great promo work.
Joe " Neanderthals did DMT" Rogan
Daniel Couto 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did Jim Breuer and Nate Diaz do a Saiyan Fusion?
😅😅😅😅
You mean metamoran fusion
Haha ah shiit
Hahahahhahahahaha
The "theory" that Joe referenced was, "Neanderthal: Profile of a super predator". The creature that the writer imagined was sort of a LAND ORCA. It is mostly silly, as Joe said, but there were some actual valid points made. It is an interesting rabbit hole to go down for an hour or two.
Danny Vendramini. I have read the paper and it does indeed have interesting points not addressed by the established model.
Recreation of these skeletons with human characteristics is misleading to an extent. If you do the same to a chimp skull it's gonna look like the shit you see at museums. But if you put ape features on them it's more believable imo.
An extinct line of Bipedal Primates.
@@JamesHolmez Except they were genetically close enough to interbreed with humans, made tools, developed specialized bone tools before humans, built structures in caves, actively deforested areas in their habitat, made art, made jewellery, evidence of them making hide rafts.
But yea they were definitely australopithecines with fur.
@@georgethompson1460 The paper suggests they were super human compared to us and more like real life Uruk-hai from LoTR, smarter, faster and stronger than us in every way. Fossil evidence backs much of it up just not entirely. There's definite evidence that they ate Homo Sapians as well as each other and the breeding didn't have consent involved.
What is up with Steve's neck. He got two Adam's Apple's.
Yeah it's distracting. It might be a thyroid problem
Reptilian
I saw that.....was like whats popping out left side of his neck
Why did you make me loook
Probsbly resiliant neanderthal dna
Listening to these two like this is awesome. Imagine the conversations while they hunt 😂.
One thing not mentioned but significant is that Neanderthals had burial customs in addition to representational art. These were thinking beings with social customs.
neanderthals showed the first signs of religion with their shallow graves - why the shallow graves - could it be they were going to that mystical place and hunting with their dead hunting friend - what was this mystical place = dreams - neanderthal evolved to the point that they were realizing their dreams and honored their dead in their dreams with the first religion of shallow graves
NWNATIVE could it be lack of effort. I wouldn’t want to dig 6ft into the ground myself.
All this evidence indicate that the Neandarthals did not actually die out. 'Modern science', is nothing but bullshit propaganda, to have us alm believe "we're the same". One of the biggest fucking lies we've ever been told.
Bears bury their food sometimes.
Had nothing to do with religion but I get where you’re going..
neanderthal is human.
"And the sons of god looked upon the daughters of men"
bestiality???????
"There were Giants in the earth in those days and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Caleb Cunningham can you break that down for dummy’s?
@@williamalmendarez9157 It's quotes from the early parts of the Old Testament.
@@williamalmendarez9157 look up the book of Enoch.
Denisovans was the word you were looking for
Evolution happens so slowly that at the point of cross breeding the two species may have been indistinguishable to lay persons.
Evolution is fake you're a moron if you believe it
Jesus fingers u
@@JohnStockton7459 ua-cam.com/video/fWXw8STaFlM/v-deo.html
War and Rape go hand in hand.
@JD Strange ua-cam.com/video/fWXw8STaFlM/v-deo.html
One of my favorite guests and favorite topics
Joe "im a neanderthal" Rogan.
He is white so he has neanderthal DNA scientist already proved that for example: white skin, straight hair, blue eyes are some of neanderthal DNA heritage.
Average human has a great misperception of neanderthal potentials, looks... because of false old learning/myths about neanderthal.
George The Animal Steel was actually a teacher as well as an author. Smart dude
Groovy Umm, what did he teach? How to wrestle??? Yeah, smart Dude. :P
@@dolenzmcqueen8316 There’s someone else who commented on this video stating he was in his class year of 89. From what I gather he taught PE, or what Americans call ‘gym’.
Steve is right about the confrontational hunting style. It’s not that the intelligence level between them and Homo sapiens was that different, just the physical aspect was vastly different. Which eventually was the downfall of Neanderthals. Because Homo sapiens couldn’t physically take on Sabre tooths or other big animals up close, they had to master ranged weapons and that carried them to the future.
5:20 it is well accepted by the specific shoulder injuries they suffered that they likely used at the very least spears used like a pike. I.e. hold onto it braced butt of spear on the ground and get the animal to charge into it.
Or war
On the Neanderthal: It was suggested at some point that humans were so much more attractive, and mystifying with shiny jewelry, that we bred them out of existence.
Neanderthal pussy?
Jamie is like Joes personal Alexa. He needs more credit for his work on the podcast.
He gets plenty of credit and money, he’s a glorified search engine
Im sure he makes a better living than us
I had no idea Nate Diaz knew so much about anthropology
👏👏👏🤣🤣
Are there any estimates for the neanderthal population by the time modern humans had a presence in Eurasia?
It may have been that they didn't even die off that much, but that their population was largely absorbed through interbreeding.
Neanderthals lived in smaller groups compared to homo sapiens, who lived and migrated in much larger tribes.
I'm guessing it was a mix of dying off, via violence, losing territory, etc... and simply being absorbed.
2-5% neanderthal Dna in modern humans is no small amount. Interbreeding probably was more than just a few isolated incidents I would think.
U are so right that's exactly what happened.
Joe"Australiopithacus Neaderthalis" Rogan
8:15
With Göbekli Tepe dating back to 10500+ BC, 200ish underground cities in Turkey/Southern Europe and no knowledge of who really built what before, it makes you wonder just what exactly Neanderthals did with that brain.
Of course nobody wants to see if some of these places could have been made by Neanderthals (despite the unusually small ceiling heights), because civilization began 6500 years ago cause the bible says so, ya know.
Nowadays, it's because too many Archaeologists sell textbooks.
“Neanderthal had a confrontational hunting style”
WHAT THEY WOULD WALK UP AND SMACK THE WOOLEY MAMMOTH AND POKE ITS EYES FIRST
I remember George eating the turnbuckles before the fight.
My life changed when I found out "Cro-Magnon" is pronounced like "Filet Magnon"
@Teddy Perkins Why are you peeing in the standing-poop toilets?
Dude, you have to see the movie Quest For Fire. Hits the nail right on the head regarding what he's talking about.
"That guy has the hairiest shoulders I have ever seen"
Throttle Kitty guy is wearing a sweater while being completely naked
.....on a guy. Didn't include any of his girlfriends......
I've seen more hairiest than that, i mean i live in Middle East.
A really enlightening book on this is Invaders . its about the domestication of Dogs and how this may have enabled us to outcompete Neanderthals and other apex predators in europe.
What it called im taking an anthropological class on dogs and I'd like to read it
@@willyschwerin The Invaders by Pat Shipman
@Tiuz Kanggz your right. when i put that i didnt mean just europe but including causcuses and areas around russia. My bad
Some scientist have said it was vocal cords. Neanderthals could not have inticrit language. Could not pass down knowledge and in battle could not communicate like homosepians. I think it was on BBC.
@@thomaspatrickgleason5959 thx bro
George the Animal Steele was also a Highschool teacher in Madison Heights Michigan. He was also a football coach and is inducted into the Michigan Coaches Hall of Fame.
Joe “hmm ya that’s a weird one” Rogan
Lol
I think Steve may be the greatest hunter/naturalist that has ever lived. Also, there is a lot of genetic evidence to suggest humans and Neanderthals interbred. As in, some people with lineage to certain parts of the world have genes that suggest an ancestor mated with Neanderthals. I forget the name of the doc, but the point was Neanderthals didn’t go extinct but basically were bread into our species and blending happened. Not sure what the pros think in 2020. But as a former biologist, my training of from what I’ve studied in nature basically says, if two organisms can mate, based on several life history traits, they will. Would be interesting to know definitively.
It made me quite upset Pääbo called them animals, yet designated the homo genus nomenclator. None-the-less I am enthralled to explore the differences in decision making mental models between the sapien, neanderthal, denisova and likely many more. What an excitement in the understanding of human evolution!
literally every human on earth except for subsaharan africans have neanderthal dna so yeah, obviously
Why cant I find a full podcast with Steve?!?!?!?!
His show on UA-cam is outstanding.
Joe "I'm conflating this with something else that I read" Rogan
The simple fact is that groups that breed only with each other begin to develop specific and sometimes unique traits. 10000 years from now I wonder what an archaeologist would think of redheads. Since Redheads only occur when both family lines have the trait. It is quite likely that reheads will eventually be bred out. Consider all the blood lines that have been ended due to slaughter, disease and disasters. Is it possible that the supposed different types of humans were simply interbred groups that either died out or were bred out due to a combination of recessive and dominant genes? What if the people we identify as neanderthals had to breed with shared bloodlines to show those distinctive traits. What about the Basque people. They have distinctive genetics. No one thinks they are a different type of human. Just brainstorming.
Great point
George TA Steel was my Aunt's High School Algebra teacher in Detroit.
Joe '"Neanderthals had AK47's" Rogan
Joe is what I think of when I think of how a Neanderthal is built
The smartest guy to come out of Muskegon mi by farrrrrrrrrr
What about the denisovans ?
Same boat as Neanderthals
In modern day Asians
What about the Droid attack on the denisovans?
Same as Neanderthals... Primitive homo sapiens would've killed them off + natural disasters off coarse.. We also would've raped them and took there genetics, which most likely advanced the human race further because of it. The scraping of Neanderthal skulls is very likely from homo sapiens eating the brain and not Neanderthals, as the markings are similar/same.
What of homo florensis (the real life hobbits)?
joe “Neandertall” rogen, the last actual Neanderthal
I was gonna crack a joke about Joe being an actual neanderthahl, but I see you guys got that covered already 😂
Wet Dick twenty thousand times
Is that Russ with panties on his head??
Except for the FACT that Joe is Cro Magnon.
What?
Him?...
Nah, he don't got the means to be a neanderthal, he just some frail Homo sapien who got gud is all.
But that is simply not enough!
*slams fist on the table*
And a very successful one.
If I remember correctly, Neanderthals didn’t have the flexibility in the shoulder joint to support launching spears, so stone tools made more sense from a physiological standpoint
”that thing is not making art, he’s making meat, man.” I cried
Anybody else just focus on the guys neck. Bulges every time he talks.
Now I am you dick
Hockeycelly2324
Punctuation is important. Your sentence says something completely different than the meaning you had intended.
Survivalist707 That’s what happens when lizard people start to shed there skin
😏
Easy explanation. There is a tiny neanderthal who lives in the guys neck. And he is kicking every time this goofball says something he disagrees with.
Gotta love two guys sitting there openly admitting they’ve done minimal research and nothing to verify their ideas
And then making wildly confident (and misguided) statements. A JRE classic
Joe ease up bro I look exactly like that wrestler 😂😂😂
Profile picture checks out
Greetings from Erkrath and Mettmann near Düsseldorf in Germany - the REAL NEANDERTAL - nice region there - and nice people too!
If you think about the cave paintings, think this through. You have these beasts that are being hunted, and the spears in the paintings are protruding from the "kill zones" of the beasts, heart, lungs, necks, the bleed-out zones. I put forth the theory that the paintings were not art, the painters present very accurate depictions, yes, but I theorize that those pictures were instructional depictions for the young hunters as to the placement of their spears.
Breeding with Neanderthals was essential to our success in the modern day. One of the main genes we inherited from Neanderthals is called MCPH1 and helps to ensure that our brains develop properly.
In sub-saharan African populations, with almost no Neanderthal DNA, we see a consistent pattern of developmental brain issues. For example, some studies showing a 9X higher rate of schizophrenia
That's very interesting. Do you know how the sub-saharans with Neanderthal DNA correspond in this study?
Neanderthals must have been pretty smart they had art ,language ,death customs ,stone tools and weapons and they where very successful in Europe and existed a lot longer than modern humans ! For their tools and weapons they made a very good glue from certain tree saps and other ingredients and the process of creating it was really complex and a lot of thought was put into it !! This isn't the behaviour of a normal animal ! They where defenetly conscious and self aware this is pretty hard to dispute they weren't given all the evidence we have about them .
Neanderthals still walk among us everyday.
Joe: it's like rolling your R's in certain spanish words
No, that's like speaking Spanish lol
@Hersh Z but native English speakers don't dictate how you say spanish words
Joe: Neanderthal DNA is a thing
Me who is short and likes to be in the woods: Hmmmm
Ok this is an alternative pov. The eye sockets of Neanderthal skulls are much larger than in Cromagnum skulls. Thats us by the way. So the Shape of the Neanderthal skulls leads paleo-anthropologists to conclude that their visual cortex was larger than Cromagnum. That leads me to wonder if they had night vision like a cat. So they were by far more carnivorous than us. Ok they were about 6 times stronger. So here we have an apex preditor possibly nocturnal who's up to 6 times stronger than us. So yeah maybe they just came over to our camps the wimpy new competition to share Wooly Mamoth recipes and sing Kumbaja. Why not?