No.4 Lee Enfield .223 Remington Target Conversion - DSAR Overviews

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[@thesheepman220]

I just bought one of these from my mate who has a old gun shop more like a museum , he has loads of interesting things , have wait till this bs lockdown is over to get it , it will go nicely with my 1950 long branch no 4 , I also have a custom 1903 Springfield in 30-06/and a custom Mauser 98 in 264 win mag made by Vemon arms in the Midlands uk , the Springfield is my avatar, I didn’t pay more than 450 quid sterling for any of them, I’ve seen at the range a 45 acp converted Enfield , the 223 cheap the run and a good foxing cal atvb Steve from wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Anon.Emouse]

T-Bone does great work. I've had a lot of work done by him over the last few years.

[@dsar9489]

He will be getting a number of other projects from us aswell...

[@matthewthomas941]

Ive got two 223 conversions done by Tom at Tbone shipwrighting. He does great work. Highley recommended.

[@dsar9489]

We are certainly a fan....

[@TheWirksworthGunroom]

Interesting article and clearly It's been put together very well. Looks a good thing that does what you wanted so hard to pick fault with that. A shame that the receiver had to be modified because otherwise it's all reversible to original given a new barrel and bolt head. Thing is, we worry about loss of originality on such projects while, in the background, thousands of serviceable historic arms are welded up as wallhangers or chopped up and destroyed every year.
I have a Lee-Enfield project in the offing (when everything else settles down!) so no doubt people will be telling me about "ruining authenticity" soon - although the donor rifle has none left. Reminds me - weren't we supposed to be doing a collaborative remote video about training rifles? Been difficult in these strange times but perhaps we ought to try again? Keep up the good work!

[@bigghoss762]

I never had any idea that I needed a .223 #4 until just now.

[@mickgillen9809]

Greetings from sunny Malta! That's a nice conversion - great idea and not just a training rifle but an excellent shooter in itself. I run a 1944 Savage No.4 in .303 here and an AIA No.4 Mk4 in .308. which I found brand new in a shop here, built 2002 I think. Having used the No.8 in the Irish Army reserves back in the day I applaud your .223 conversion, nice one mate!

[@dsar9489]

We appreciate the support. One day I will find an AIA rifle to go over... those really were a fantastic market opertunity let down by shoddy execution

[@mickgillen9809]

@@dsar9489 Yes indeed, so I've read. I think you can be lucky with the assembly of these rifles, mine had a badly drilled pic rail which required re-alignement but other than that it's a superb shooter that I've taken out to 800m with an S&B 6x42 hunting scope. Useful on piggies in Sicily too!

[@jeffestrada6857]

Beautiful rifle but it just doesn’t look right without the venerable .303 magazine
Thanks for the video 👍

[@alexvillegas6671]

I would LOVE one of these in the States!

[@gmskippy]

A very good option to use as a trainer or in MOD class.This conversion is a good way to keep people shooting and to introduce new shooters to the sport. Great video there once again.

[@kiwigrunt330]

Kiwi versatility.... ;-)
Nice musket.

[@terrykyte1845]

I have a number 4 rifle that ha been modified to 308 win. It has a sportco barrel and central sites front and rear. the mods were done in Canada by a fellow by the name of Gibault and it was built to comply with DCRA rules. Still shoots pretty good after many years of use.

[@brettanderson6743]

Bloke on the range has his frankenrifle. A Lee Enfield (ish) in 7.63 X 39.
I think this is actually really cool.

[@dsar9489]

Very aware of Frankin Rifle... One day these two will duel it out....

[@brettanderson6743]

@@dsar9489 That would be awesome!

[@sarchlalaith8836]

@@dsar9489 I think you'll win on drill. You are a better "operator" he's fast but I m you're faster
But he wins on cool points because 5.56mm is plain shite ;) & 7.62x39 is much better.

[@dsar9489]

@@sarchlalaith8836 I appreciate the support...

[@stroutfamilyfirearms8684]

I love this! Even here in the US .303 is expensive to get and reload. I am going to have to find a junker No. 3 or 4 and build one. Do you have any drawings of the modifications you made.

[@OABrown]

stunning, finding someone in the states to do that kind of work is damn near impossible.

[@dsar9489]

Try Wright Armoury.... we’re on good terms with those guys

[@traildogisla]

Excellent stuff, would love to have one

[@robertwalker1849]

The .223 is no slouch I have a Full Bore target rifle built on a Remington 700 SA with a 28" 1:8" twist Tobler barrel Jewel trigger
and Central sights most projectiles shot were 69 grain SMK's and later 70 grain Berger VLD had very good results with 80 grain SMK's
in any sight matches the 80 grainers shoot as good if not better than the 155 Sierra PALMA bullets at 1000 yards in a steady breeze
gusty conditions upset them a bit,, Switched to F class when it started up, my eyesight was rubbish even with proper shooting glasses
but the .223 is great for young and hew shooters teaches wind reading very fast.

[@dsar9489]

Learning wind is the very reason I had this rifle built

[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

very cool dude id love a bolt gun to go with my ar15 a2 carbine

[@65branger51]

Nice presentation mate and great to see promotion of a very competent gunsmith. Yeah don't mind the 7.62 short as a round, but a training rifle should run on cheap ammo and we in Australia are lucky to have great .223 ammo on hand in good supply. So l'd go the .223. Cheers

[@berchtesgadenairwaves8376]

That’s awesome!

[@pcb8639]

What a beautiful rifle.

[@BK45AUS]

0200Hrs, a dark and quiet house,
Rowan says" It's a kiwi rifle, WHO CARES".....
I laugh so hard that i wake my wife at the other end of the house, the cat wakes and flies off the sofa toward the ceiling like its in a bugs bunny cartoon and i finish watching the vid, safe in the knowledge i will be sleeping on the sofa and cat wont come back down for love or money.

[@dsar9489]

You sir..... WIN THE INTERNET

[@BK45AUS]

@@dsar9489 Now i'm going to have to have " DSAR say's i won!" printed on a shirt for when i invite you guys down to my clubs first 2GACM match.

[@dsar9489]

Getting a 2G-ACM match off the ground would be fantastic, sadly neither of us live near a range that would be capable, or even willing to try, of running such a match.
In fact, I can only think of one or two clubs that might have the mindset for such a match - Dylan

[@BK45AUS]

That may change. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

[@corditesniffer8020]

I’ve gotten a No.4 MkII rifle that’s been dolled up to replicate ( externally ) a No.5 rifle and it’s had the same .223 conversion treatment but it doesn’t follow the pattern of your gun from T-bone so I’m thinking it’s an ambitious home job that to be fair does work and cycle just like a normal Enfield rifle but it’s interesting to see the difference between a well equipped home job and a professional job 😂

[@streetkleaver]

I'd love to see T-Bone do a magazine feeding .22 Lee Enfield since the only one in properly produced is the No.7 which in it's entirety would cost similar, if not more than your 223 conversion.
Apart from that there are the 22 hornet rifles produced by Lithgow thay can be dropped into Smle furniture. But .22 hornet is not the greatest calibre.
Keep up the great content Rowan.
Ben

[@CAPNMAC82]

Looks a capital conversion. One that ticks many boxes.
Question: Are Mini-14 magazines common down there? They can be hen's teeth and appropriately spendy here in the US.

[@borktown]

Just curious on the cost. Also would the maker be willing to sell a set of plans to another gunsmith in North America? This is a conversion that i would be very interested in.

[@dsar9489]

Cost.... including purchase of the donor rifle started with a 3.... and had 3 decimal places after it.
For this sort of work In North America, I recommend Wright Armoury in Mesa AZ

[@joey243win]

Where did you get the shirt mate

[@concernedaussie1330]

Wondering the same .

[@peterrobins3708]

Damn I like it 👍👍

[@0sv87d0]

Indian Enfield in 7.62 nato, relatively cheap to shoot

[@balancedfordaylight1]

that is an awesome conversion too bad I will never see one here in the states

[@dsar9489]

I know of several competent gunsmiths in the States who will happily build you one. Speak to Wright Armoury in Mesa AZ.

[@TheBebop51]

Sick

[@dsar9489]

But is it "Fully Sick"????

[@onneb90]

I like the Shirt. Where do i find One?

[@dsar9489]

Check out SORD, a Victorian company. The shirt in one of theirs.

[@concernedaussie1330]

@@dsar9489awesome thanks mate.

[@Ben_not_10]

A training rifle should be chambered in the best cartridge you can buy in bulk quantity (or make yourself) at the best price. Here in the states .22 lr and 7.62x39 are roughly equal in price depending on where you go and whom you talk to. So right now, (atleast in the states) even .22lr isn’t the best cartridge for a training rifle.

[@dsar9489]

7.26 short is basically non existent in this country post the 1997 bans... what ammo is left is now ancient or extremely limited quantity and quality.
Plus.... communist Garbage!!!!

[@berettasp]

What was the cost to have that done ? i love shooting 223 cause i load it on a dillon 650 but all modern 223 rifles are not what id class as a nice looking rifle also i love open sights

[@dsar9489]

It cost quite a bit more than just the $900 for the barrel...

[@berettasp]

@@dsar9489 yeah id imagine but the choices for modern day open sight service style rifle are almost non existent

[@concernedaussie1330]

@@berettaspthe world needs new reproduction Lee Enfield’s IMO .
Ever seen how good short magnum cartridges look in a smle magazine , especially with the extra over all length 🤔🤔🤔

[@petersattout3956]

Reminds me of those aia m10 enfield clones in 7.62 x 39 that run on ak mags. Any experience with those? I hear they can be hit or miss.

[@dsar9489]

The only 1 word than can be used to describe the AIA series.... An ABORTION.....

[@vincetytler6175]

Very interesting, roughly how much did it cost you to modify your No4? I am wondering when you get a return on your investment. I currently use a 22lr as a training rifle, even though the ergonomics are slightly different from a No4 or my tikka CTR, the ability to put in loads of good practice does pay off

[@dsar9489]

More Rounds down range is always a benefit.
This rifle fills more than single niche for me, opening up the sport of Target rifle, a new division within Millitary rifle, more effectively learning the effects of wind, plus a rapid fire trainer.... so it's difficult to quantify a direct dollar for dollar "return on investment" equation.
The gun wasn't cheap to build.... but I get a very large range of benefits from it.

[@vincetytler6175]

@@dsar9489 understood, it’s a beautiful rifle. If it works for you then that’s all that matters, now once you start competing with it I wonder how long it will take for other conversations to start showing up

[@dsar9489]

Conversions like this are very much the "Norm" in New South Wales "Service Rifle" competition..... Millitary rifle in that state took some rather unfortunate turns throughout history resulting in some very "unique" coversions and standard modifications.....

[@vincetytler6175]

@@dsar9489 I am in Canada, I have never seen these conversations, tho being not far from the USA our ammo supply is typically fairly reliable

[@jimhoffman5103]

What powder are you using under the 69gr SMK?

[@dsar9489]

AR2206H ...... its pretty warm

[@hasselhoffo]

@@dsar9489 yes me too, 24gr under the 69grSMK because that’s just what’s on ADI. I’ve shot it a fair bit in Service matches, and even at 500m TR, and it’s very very accurate. Nevertheless, I crunched the load in Quickload recently and the pressure seems North of 50kpsi, which is a little scary… I think I’ll back it off a bit, but it will set me back.

[@user-ce5pw6xs3e]

very nice but ill stick to my 303/22 smle haha

[@dsar9489]

I am far, far, farrr too lazy to stuff about doing THAT much case prep for such little case life..... I shoot farr too much volume.
Awesome round but, we will get onto the sub calliber wildcats when we find some nice examples of them.

[@concernedaussie1330]

@@dsar9489 very interesting subject imo .
Trying to ring out the best overall performance outta the no1 mk3* .
Using the 303 parent case I”m leaning towards the 6mm or 6.5mm , but .224 keeps raising its head every time I see cleaver .224 projectile sales .
The full length? Shortened ect ect .
Use it in prs , hunt pigs with it hahahaha.
It’s hard to build the ultimate Lee Enfield , especially when being crippled by being a stubbornly patriotic Aussie.

[@jimhoffman5103]

How were your 500m+ groups? Will it group into the 5 ring at 1/2km?

[@dsar9489]

If I do my bit..... yes.....

[@hasselhoffo]

@@dsar9489 I take it it’s the #2260 Rem Varmint? He screwed one on the end of a modern bolt gun for me also a while back. Absolute tack driver. It’ll shoot Vs all day long.

[@3of11]

Wouldn’t it have been far less sinful to cut up an ishapore?

[@dsar9489]

Well.... ishaphore never did No.4s did they.....

[@deadhorse1391]

Why not just use a AR15 H- barrel ? Oh I forget your country doesn’t trust you with those ! 😃
I have a Savage no 4 and I think it is a shame that one was cut up for this when it didn’t have to be. I’m sure this conversion cost more then $1,000...you can buy lots of 303 ammo or reloading components for that
But it’s your money and your rifle to do with as you please

[@dsar9489]

It was a rebirth...... trust me, the gun was a complete shambles prior to this.
$1000 in this country would by you all of 1000 projectiles, 4kg of powder and 500 primers if you were lucky..... that provide the projectiles are even in the country.
Americans have a great difficulty comprehending just how difficult the supply situation is in the southern hemisphere on a daily basis. What you call a panic buying crisis is situation normal in this country.
We don't have isles and isles of factory ammunition choices, 3 month lead times are considered short and price wise, take your North American RRP, double it and add 20% is what we pay as a minimum.

[@user-im6fy4qp6m]

dont give them up or you could end in the covid camps some day.

[@concernedaussie1330]

Problem is 1 man makes a stand & he’s written of as a terrorist , nobody else seems to really care .
Down here licensed shooters tend to care only about themselves & keeping their license.
If one becomes a “ unfit & proper person “ for any slightest of misdemeanours they tend to alienated by licence holders, that don’t wanta be guilty by Association .
There’s never ending tightening of disarmament in this country.
An extremely sad state of affairs.

[@user-im6fy4qp6m]

@@concernedaussie1330 you need to start community organizing and building a cooperative community of gun owners. thats your main problem i think. you dont have something like the NRA. not that the NRA is all that great anymore, they used to be but now there are far better advocacy groups in the USA than them.

[@concernedaussie1330]

@@user-im6fy4qp6m the different groups are played off against each other & a lot has to do with wealth .
The richy rich side with each other & they buy themselves into the land owners & business owners / pest controllers side of things & can afford lawyers & barristers & don’t see the working man’s issues , or care .
It’s a big job mate .
I’m more thinking of a need for a civilian volunteer military force / kinda avenue .
As we are basically defenceless atm . Our military can’t retain or recruit enough people to join our defence force.
Let alone our abortion of procurement of hardware & equipment. We’ve spent over a decades worth or defensive funding on stuff we won’t even see till the earliest 2033 . $$$$$ are one thing , but we can’t get back time .
It seems to me deliberate disarmament imo .
The average citizen really doesn’t care or understand what’s going on in the world.
They may just get jolted into gear & out of desperation of avoiding conscription, might get vocal about a volunteer civilian force if that excluded conscription!
I don’t know mate , things are getting worse by day imo.
The police seriously want us disarmed.