PORSCHE CAYMAN 2.7 (2007) // Poverty-Pack Beauty and smart investment right now
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2020
- Porsche Cayman 987 review and test drive. Mark and Stu take an extended drive in a 2007 Porsche Cayman base model poverty pack. How does this base model car stack up in its own right, and against the evergreen Porsche 911.
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I really didn't intend to *sell this car,* but other projects beckon and I need the garage space. May 2022 and here it is .. on carsales... for those of you in Australia
www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2006-porsche-cayman-987-manual-my07/SSE-AD-12807716
Good time to sell it... GLWS
This is one of the few Good Australian car reviews on the internet. You actually talk about how it feels and actually drive the car a bit. All other Australian reviews just talk about the numbers, drive around slowly, talk about dry facts and figures and what the car feels like at 60kmh and tell you nothing about how the car truly feels when pressing on a bit
Thanks Jordan. Much appreciated. Our goal is to evaluate cars from a real owner/driver's perspective, but obviously we have to be mindful of all road laws. We're trying to find the right balance - we try to be brisk but legal, so you won't see tyre-smoking sideways action and launch control.
@@inCARnationAustralia You've struck the perfect balance don't worry :)
just got back from a three week vacation in my new-to-me 2007 cayman 2.7l. about 6000 miles in total. no problems at all. averaged about 700 miles per day on the return trip. while i'm fast approaching septuagenarian status it was comfortable enough for me. has climate control and a previous owner updated the infotainment system from the bose to a pioneer unit with 7 inch touch-screen, camera, bluetooth and navigation
BTW, took along my golf clubs too!
That’s a cool road trip.
Your experience and knowledge are much appreciated, especially compared to other reviews I have watched. Excellent review!
It's more fun driving a slow car to the limit and working hard for it than driving a fast car where your getting I to dangerous territory
Indeed. Boxsters, Caymans, MX5s...
A pleasure, gentlemen. The intro is cute, and the knowledge is formidable
Thanks Brandon
Proper review....nice to see👍
Hi There, as the owner for three years now of a 2006 Cayman S, I just wanted to commend you on a great real world test of this sweet car. This is a lovely example and it has a few changes from Euro spec 2.7 Cayman`s in that the clocks are white ( Like its big brother ), whereas Euro 2.7`s have black clocks, and the calipers being painted yellow instead of black on the 2.7 is not something you see here, unless that was a later mod of course. The tail lamps are also not what you see here, but I suspect they were upgraded. The only thing I disagreed with was right at the end when Stu made comments about the IMS bearing ``issue``. It is actually a non issue for the 2.7 Cayman as it came out in 2007, and all Cayman S models from 2006 onwards got a totally redesigned and much larger single race bearing. A small amount of the very first 3.4`s which debuted in late 2005 might have had the original bearing design which caused issues in about 5% of cars. I cannot verify what year Porsche changed the IMS in the 997 and Boxster, but I would assume it was on a broadly similar time frame. The more relevant issue to look out for on the 3.4 model is Bore scoring on some cars which can lead to excessive oil consumption and over a long period of time, possible engine failure unless some expensive repairs are carried out. The second variant of the 987 debuting in 2009 eliminated this problem and also the IMS bearing issue went away due to a complete re design. I personally have never had any issues in three years and have 74k miles on the clock at this point. I look forward to more videos from you down the road. Cheers from Ireland.
Wow. Thanks for the lengthy and considered reply James.
Yes, I believe the calipers were painted yellow by a previous owner. Also various body trim bits painted black that were previously body colour. Thank you for the clarification and reassurance regarding the IMS. I was struggling to find out exactly when this upgrade happened. Particularly as this is my car which has also proven to be very reliable. Clearly Porsches are popular on the channel (and rightly so), and we do have offers of more P-cars to review - 991 GT3RS, 991 Turbo S, 996 Carrera for a start. But we do want to add more variety - Japanese, Italian, English, older classics, race cars, Aussie muscle cars, Tesla, all planned.
James Marshall. Thanks for the detailed feedback, it’s appreciated.
2.7 litre engine does not have bore scoring issues as an added bonus for buying a base version. Might be the better purchase when buying used. As identified in this video it is a superb drive with the 2.7, and without the fear of the bore scoring issue might actually be more sought after than the S models
Gents, I am writing in 2022 and am having a closer look at the 987.2 manuals from an affordability and 6 speed manual aspect. Analogue although I am tempted by the 981 pdk but pricing is crazy and moved out of reach. A weekend driver is what I am after and your review is clear and informative which is very helpful. Thanks, and keep up your no-nonsense reviews.
Great video, thank You guys, keep on creating such great content. I just bought a 2007 Cayman with very low miles and a lot of extras, incl. S wheels. I do enjoy its purity and level of involvement.
Thanks for the feedback, it’s encouraging. I’m sure you’ll enjoy your Cayman
Superb review guys. Really like your camera angles and cuts. I pick up my '09 987.2 with the pdk tomorrow. It's got more ponies and the 7 speed and I really look forward to driving this mint car with only 51k miles on it. Oh-it's a guards red as well. I like the sound of your exhaust as well. I think I'll look into it. Cheers
Great channels and near-perfect review of the Cayman. They are absolute value for the money and a true driver's car
Thank you. Gratifying to read supportive comments like that.
Thanks for your comments
Great review guys. Really enjoyed it have subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Excellent informative review. I've had mine for 2 years and absolutely love it. Also a base, 2007 in immaculate guards red. Love it - for me a future classic and keeper!
You’ve made a great choice of car there
I have a 2014 Cayman base, bought it 3 years, the best car I have ever owned. I also have a bmw 530i and mercedes benz e320. Porsche is the best
Love you guys. So refreshing, so honest. Beautiful stuff. Thumbs up from Italy.
Thanks so much!
Grazie Daniele. I love your country, can’t wait to get back there. Hope you’ve seen our GT3 review
@@markwilliamson8662 I have, yes. Great video! But truthfully the GT3 is a tad beyond my realm haha.... I have a 986 2.7 'poverty spec', which I absolutely adore! The thing is plenty fast for me....anything more could get me in serious trouble!!!
Great!! Thanks for your reply!! That was the link a was looking for! Enjoy your car!!! Roland
Excellent review! Had many cars, but will never sell my Cayman.
I have a `12 987.2 base 2.9 manual, I think this is the SWEET spot, new engine but still not direct fuel injected, shorter gears than the S, perfect for everyday.
Important points: stay with the original springs and shocks and 17" wheels, that brings the most enjoyment for the roads. Sprintbooster is a must. Carnewal GT exhaust is the best, listened to many others, nothing beats it. Short-shifter (Numeric).
Only one thing missing, a sunroof for letting in some exhaust notes, without the noise of the sidewindows down... But no such option, so working now on a tilt-able side quarter window.
Sounds fantastic. I agree with your sentiment about staying with original springs, shocks and wheels for road use. Very nice!
Thanks,that’s good info.
Pop quarters would be very cool....any success? I have an 09 987.2.9 manual....perfect car.
@@RicBergstrom Recently my poor Cayman did not get too much time and love, I've rediscovered the joy of motorcycles, so no pop quarters yet. But I already have the spare window on my desk!
i've watched a LOT of car reviews on youtube and this is one of the better ones. liked the 'matter of fact' driver's comments and the owner/interviewer's interaction with him. kudos! one of my favorite sports cars is the 2009-2012 'facelifted' version cayman 'S' model that adds a bit more power.
Thanks Blade Runner. We've just started out and haven't officially launced the channel yet. But we do have some great cars coming up shortly. Expect to see SLS Black, 308 GTB Dino, 458 Speciale, etc.. We'll try to get better with each review. Cheers bud!
Blade Runner .Thanks for your thoughts, hope you’re enjoying the channel.
Great Aussie car review. You guys are one of the few who dare to drive normally in Australia. I have a 987 2.9 (so the facelift) and love it.
Anyway thanks for the great video. Enjoyed it!
Thanks Jordan. We try to find the drive in a spirited fashion while still being socially responsible citizens. Your comment is very timely. In less than an hour, our latest review of a MY2000 Boxster S will be published. Hope you enjoy it too.
@@inCARnationAustralia I shall definitely watch it and Im pretty sure I'll love it too. I owned a 997 Turbo in Inner Sydney and felt the car was wasted there. Need to get on more roads like the one youre on!
Anyway thanks again and look forward to the Boxster S Video. If you ever do one of my car (the 2.9 987.2) Id love it too!
Thanks Jordan
Great review and lovely car. Subscribed!🙌
My dream car is a 911, the Cayman is up there too.
Thanks for subscribing, glad you enjoyed the Cayman and I can recommend a 911 they are awesome
I’ve had a 987 Boxster S 3.2 for just over a year. What a car for the money! Nice review guys. Accurate and honest. The only thing I’d disagree with is the brake pedal feel which is pretty mushy even when freshly bled with brand new rotors and pads. I might try the GT3 master cylinder swap
Thanks. We try to keep it real. But the brake pedal in this 987 was pretty firm and confidence inspiring. Standard brakes. Not sure which pads.
Excellent review thanks for the info and adding on to my anticipation and excitement in shopping for these. I’m looking at making the transition from the Subaru wrx sti life to Porsche and seems like the perfect way to get in to it... just a bit hard to find in New Zealand at the moment. Had originally thought to go right to 911 c4s 997 or 996 then eventually a turbo example but seems like a better transition this way. Now the waiting game
They are all good options. I can verify the Cayman and 996 Turbo are very different animals in they way they feel and drive. Both very good of course...
Have a look at the PCCM headunits from Porsche
Genuine replacements for older cars with all the mod cons
You are an internet sensation!! Top video!!
Thanks Bruno!
Hi Stu, just met you at Jubillee Oval. Nice 944! Cheers Steve with the kombi and 356’s
Thanks 👍Look forward to seeing more of your exciting cars! Thanks for dropping by!
Guys - so good to see an Aussie channel, and a great car to feature early on. Keep it up.
NB just watched the M2 video. I purchased a Cayman S earlier this year, and a 2 series BMW was anotherl contender. Great to hear reviews on cars readily available in Aus, from an Aus perspective.
Thanks for the comment Matt. We’ve enjoyed making these videos and it’s pleasing to see the people like them. We have a lot of cool cars coming up and I hope you’ll enjoy watching those too. Good choice with the Cayman S by the way.
i guess I'm quite randomly asking but does anyone know of a good website to stream new series online?
@Douglas Jude Flixportal xD
@Roland Ryder Thank you, I signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there =) I really appreciate it!
@Douglas Jude glad I could help =)
Love the colour. Considering a silver Cayman S manual. Think I would wrap it in red.
Thanks for your review, I just got a 2007 cayman base with 6 speed manual, it is so much fun to go around... 2.7L is more then enough for me( not racing driver 😁)
Thanks Robert. While the extra torque of the 3.2/3.4 is nice, the 2.7 is such a sweet free-revving package and sounds awesome over 5000rpm, particularly with an aftermarket exhaust to give it some boom. The quest for extra horsepower is endless, so perhaps we should all be satisfied with what we have.
@@inCARnationAustralia yes, so true, will not change it, only update is change it to LED bulb (low beam)
Great honest review! I've had my Cayman for 4 years now and still love it. I think they'll eventually go up in value, hopefully not too much because I don't ever want to be tempted to sell it.
I’ve had mine for almost 5, I still love it as much as day 1. I’ve been wanting to get a 944 or 928 for forever, but what’s interesting is, if you watch their review on those 2 cars, I swear Mark looks like he’s having the most fun in this car. So... quit while I’m ahead?
Rock Class 101. Yes well spotted, I really do think these are one of the most fun cars too drive. A very pure driving experience. MW
Thanks for the feedback Johnny.
Is there a car you'd like us to review? Tell us in the comments and we'll see if we can make it happen.
lotus exige
@@racingdream 928s4
Looking at the respectful way you drive this car, I'd be happy for you to do a comparison review between your car and my base 987.2 PDK.
All the best
Roland Rohrle
Sydney
@@Roland_Rohrle Thank you Roland. That's very generous. Hold that thought. I suspect on the road there wouldn't be a lot of difference between them, so maybe not enough points of differentiation. One thing we are discussing is doing some track comparisons between similar cars, as I know people would like to see us pushing the cars a bit harder in a way we can't legally do on the road. So it would be good to show road (and race) cars being driven more briskly on the track, comparing lap times. Expect to see Cayman road car vs MX5 race car, or M2 road car vs Golf R race car. Suggestions welcome.
A 968 club sport.
Best cayman video ive seen and ive seen most! I own a cayman 987s which i owned in London and brought back to Australia with me. Almost sold it the other week, not sure what i was thinking! Going to keep it now. Im sure they'll increase in value.
Thank you Paul. Makes my old heart glad to read things like that. Yes, my Cayman is a keeper too.
Paul Hoang. Thanks for the feedback Paul, we appreciate it. Yes good move keeping your Cayman, wonderful cars.
No worries guys, will be following your vids!
aaaaaaaaaaaand the prices are constantly going up ;
Excellent review. I originally thought about buying a 986S Boxster due to the price, but I'm not really a soft top guy. Not to mention the IMS and bore scoring.
Next, I started looking at 987.1 Cayman's and even drove a 2.7 Tiptronic, which I thought was fun.
Decided to extend myself and found a base 987.2 PDK. I also have a vintage Mack and a S2 RX7 race car, so I'm done with gear changing 😅.
As much as I'd love more power, it's a true sports car and like Stu said, it doesn't scare you...
Love the exhaust on yours, do you know what brand?
As much as I love the lower stance of yours, it'd ruin the nose on mine here in Sydney. Plus I wouldn't want the ride to be firmer than it is on 17's.
All the best
Roland Rohrle
PS, your video was uploaded one day before I purchased mine, but only just stumbled across it today...
Thank you Roland. Glad to hear you got the PDK, which is much better than the Tiptronic. I believe the exhaust on mine is a Remus. It's perfect. Nice deep tone at idle, no drone, quiet when cruising, but classic flat-6 wail in the higher revs and just a little burble when downchanging. My car is also in Sydney and I would prefer standard ground clearance and more suspension compliance. The nose is too low. So all you need is the exhaust and yours will be perfect.
Fun review/drive! I would hardly call yours a poverty pack. It has larger S wheels, upgraded suspension, and what looks like upgraded yellow brake calipers? Also S style gauges.
Excellent content as always Gentlemen. Gorgeous car. I stumbled upon a 2007 5 speed manual base Cayman 987.1 in Meteoric Grey with a black interior in September 2020. I’ve owned BMW’s and Corvettes but honestly this car truly takes everything to another level. It was a 0ne Owner Garage Queen (now set free under my watch) with only 21,000 KMS on her (13,000 MILES), and all service records. I took it for a test drive and fell immediately in love. The Dealership (I normally never buy from Dealerships) was asking $38,999.00 CDN but I got it for $34,500.00 CDN (I live just outside of Ottawa, Canada - so yes she is in storage right now until May) which translates to $27,000 USD. The car is in mint condition and looks like it just came off the assembly line in Finland (this generation was assembled in Finland not Germany). I took her to a separate mechanic who works on Porsches and he found it to be in excellent shape mechanically. It has some factory upgrades including the Bose sound system and the headlights. The only thing not original is the exhaust which the previous owner changed to a REMUS which not only has a truly beautiful sound but also looks great with the twin tips out the back centre. Anyway SO much more I could write about but the bottom line is ironically when I checked to try and find a Cayman or a Cayman S of the same year in Ottawa (1 million population) I found ZERO for sale. I might try and make a decent video of her in the Spring/early summer so you can see (and hear) her. Not going to be selling this beauty anytime in the foreseeable future 😊
Take care, keep up the awesome videos and stay safe. Cheers from 🇨🇦
Great story Christopher. Totally agree about the Remus exhaust. In these difficult times, it's nice to get such pleasure from such a simple thing as a lump of rubber and steel.
Thanks for the really detailed comment we appreciate it. I’m sure once in warms up there you have a lot of fun in your Cayman. Looks like a great buy.
@@markwilliamson8662 Thank you SO much Mark... your comments mean a great deal to me. I should have her out on Saturday the 1st of May, and I’m truly looking forward to it and experiencing a full summer of driving!
I’ll keep you updated!!! Keep the excellent videos coming. Finally a car channel with knowledgeable true enthusiasts FOR true enthusiasts. Thank you! Cheers from 🇨🇦
I hope you've been enjoying your Cayman Chris! How have you liked the Remus? I am thinking about one for my 2007 base as well - you really should post a Remus video, they're aren't too many quality examples out there! Cheers
Hi, can you please tell me how you removed the upper panel above the insttuments...? I'd like to remove that as well but I have no idea how to. I'm afraid to break something. I have absolutely no idea how this one is attached......Thanks !! Great video!! Roland
Hi Roland,
Sorry I can't be of assistance on that one. Binnacle was removed when I bought the car. However, this may help... good luck.
www.planet-9.com/threads/cayman-instrument-cluster-cover.107470/
I’ve had a manual next gen base for 5 years and will never part with it. Great review 👍🏾
Thanks! 👍
Thanks for the feedback.
That Royal Oak Offshore is worth the same as my 987 Cayman S!
Nice review boys
Wade Cost. Thanks for your thoughts Wade. Yes it’s a very nice watch, luckily had a deal with them when I was racing in Asia.
I wondered what he was talking about Mark. I clearly need to learn more about watches. Cheers Stu
I love that Offshore , wonderful car ,wonderful watch . really enjoyed this upload.
@@richieroo4844 thanks it’s a great watch. Glad you enjoyed the Cayman drive.
IIve got also the 2.7 base modell with 5th gear manual. In the rearview mirror, I am perceived as a 911, so the left lane on the German Autobahn is being cleared for me.
Lucky you. We're limited to 110km/h here. Long live the autobahns!
Nice review. Just one thing. The ims on a 987 cayman is a sealed unit. You need to split the engine case to access it. This is unlike the 986 and 996 cars where it was relatively easy and fairly cost efficient to change the bearing. I owned a 987 2.7 for 4 years. Great car. The 981 is very much an improvement, particularly on our congested, variable quality Aussie roads.
Thanks for clarifying Warwick. And yes, a friend owns a PDK 981 'S' and it's another big step up in many ways, especially performance. SG
987.2 issue resolved
Lovely example of the breed. What exhaust and header setup do you have on it? Makes a wonderful noise without being too shouty on the video. Have been trying to decide on whether to put a Carnewal GT exhaust and/or their headers with 200 cell cats on my 987.2 CS. Keep up the great vids!
Thanks for the feedback, hope you’re enjoying our other vids. More Porsche’s coming soon. I’m sure Stu can advise on exhaust systems.
Standard manifolds I believe with Remus muffler. Cats also probably standard but I don't know. It certainly deepened the note at lower revs and does sound great up top. No drone at all at light throttle.
Guys- its fun to drive a sports car that you can rev it up in 2cnd gear and not be going 90 mph, 488, Hurricane, Maclaren and Porsche Turbo's can only be really stretched on the track, 2007 base Cayman owner! A
Yes, good comment. There's a lot to be said for low powered, sweet sounding, great handling, not so expensive sports cars. We should review more of them.
I really like how you present it, you've got yourself another subscriber.
Thank you KK!
Thanks
On the 987.2 Cayman R and Boxster Spyder the removed the "hood" over the 3 main dials in the dash to save weight. I notice that your car also does not have the "hood" over the dials. Curious if you removed it? Perhaps it was something the previous owner did?
yes, the previous owner removed it. It's hard to imagine the weight saving is significant, so probably personal aesthetic preference.
Do you know which exhaust system is fitted to your car?
I'll double check, but I believe it's a Remus. I also had a Remus on my previous 996 Carrera and it was awesome. Never droned, but lovely deep tone, burble on over-run, etc.
For ultimate driving pleasure would it be Cayman or Boxster?
John purely depends on whether you're a wind-in-the-hair kind of guy or not. Most people would be very hard put to tell the difference in body stiffness - the Cayman being slightly more rigid. In terms of driving dynamics, the 987 Boxster and Cayman are virtually identical to drive. If your idea of an ideal day includes getting a tan or that feeling of being part of the outside world, the probably the Boxster. If you have no desire to have your head in the breeze, Cayman. Mechanically they're the same. I'd recommend the "S" variant though with a manual gearbox, whichever you choose.
where are these roads ? they are awesome
Kanimbla valley, western Blue mountains
Sorry Guys, please spell Porsche! There is an „e“ at the end. It is not a Porsch, it‘s a Porsche❗️ The e is not voiceless, it is pronounced, it sounds a bit like English a
Yes I know. Ich kann ein bisschen Deutsch, aber auf Englisch klingt es etwas ... altklug, "Porscha" zu sagen. I think the middle ground is best, where you let the word trail off but do pronounce the "e" quietly. That was the Germans don't roll their eyes at our bad pronunciation and the Aussies don't think you're stuck up. In Germany it's natural for me to pronounce it properly.
I had one 2008 bumpy and slow very slow
Get a 2.7...a 3.4 S is a bore score nightmare! the 2.7 has different pistons
The 2.7 is a lot more reliable than the S. it will save you money. However I’m going for the S 987.2 next. 330BHP quicker than the stock 911 997 Carerra. Better handling car. The cayman rivals the 911 100%. The boxster is more of a poor mans porsche in my opinion.
Thanks for the input, A.G. I tend to regard Boxsters and Caymans in the same light. After all, they are the same car except for the lid. Some people just prefer getting sun on their noggin. Me, I'm bald and I burn easily so I don't. Sure, I prefer the styling of the Cayman but I try to avoid the "poor man's Porsche" moniker as so many non-Porsche people trot it out.
@@inCARnationAustralia yeah nobody who owns a Porsche is poor. It’s a saying I deslike to be honest. I’m having some fun in the snow in the U.K. with it though. 😂😂
Needs better tyres. Put some Michelin PS4s on it at least
Good review but not all was factually correct.
He was confusing a lot of his information with the 986
Cayman was never a 2.5 or a 3.2.
997 that the cayman is family to was never a 3.4.
People like making their vehicles worse.
NO THANKS..I PREFER A MANUAL PORSCHE FLAT 6 .
No sure what you mean Sidney. Manual gearbox ... tick ... Porsche .. pretty sure that's a tick .. Flat 6 .. um ... (gets underneath to check) ... yeah .. tick
Underpowered Junk.
OK, to each their own. What do you think we should review then, Peter? What's Tinkerbell driving these days?
@@inCARnationAustralia C8 corvette
Peter, as a Caymen 2007 guards red base owner, this car is about handling and the close driving experience with the road - not speed. To compare the two cars is really not accurate. By the way, love the new C8 and I am looking at a ‘95 C6 tomorrow in Admiral Blue! Enjoyed your Aussie review.
American 🇺🇸 bloke from Tennessee.