André de Ruyter on fixing Eskom | Solutions With David Ansara Podcast #54

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  • Опубліковано 25 гру 2024

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  • @DavidAnsara
    @DavidAnsara  2 роки тому +11

    TIMESTAMPS:
    (00:00) Introduction
    (00:54) André de Ruyter on why he took the job of Eskom CEO
    (05:29) André de Ruyter on Eskom's capacity shortfall
    (09:42) André de Ruyter on renewables vs. coal
    (16:10) André de Ruyter on expansion of the grid
    (17:52) André de Ruyter on private energy generation
    (20:29) André de Ruyter on BEE procurement requirements
    (24:58) André de Ruyter on procurement exemptions for Eskom
    (27:40) André de Ruyter on sabotage at Eskom
    (29:44) André de Ruyter on municipal arrears
    (35:08) André de Ruyter on cities generating their own electricity
    (36:47) André de Ruyter on nuclear energy
    (39:58) Conclusion

    • @tommywilson1075
      @tommywilson1075 2 роки тому +1

      When you sitting with incompetent workers nothing will come right.

    • @shanaazabrahams1319
      @shanaazabrahams1319 Рік тому +1

      I think you should republish this.

    • @BillClinton228
      @BillClinton228 Рік тому

      10 months later, ADR has left and load shedding has never been worse. I guess the biggest problem ADR had was trying to stop corruption and now that he's gone Eskom can be plundered mercilessly.

    • @shanaazabrahams1319
      @shanaazabrahams1319 Рік тому

      @@BillClinton228 I think it is even worse now

  • @be6926
    @be6926 2 роки тому +29

    De Ruyter is a national treasure

  • @TricksyG
    @TricksyG 2 роки тому +27

    Fantastic interview. I stand behind Mr de Ruyter.

  • @paulgunner5010
    @paulgunner5010 2 роки тому +2

    It is superb to listen to an intelligent man who understands the problem and has practical answers to the problem.

  • @thomasgosling5155
    @thomasgosling5155 2 роки тому +12

    Sobering honest discussion.

  • @vladimirmedinski4760
    @vladimirmedinski4760 2 роки тому +7

    In my personal opinion this interview is yet another proof that Mr Andre de Ruyter is the BEST ESKOM's leader over the past 30 (thirty, not less!) years

  • @adamanthony7465
    @adamanthony7465 Рік тому

    As Mr De Ruyter is today in exile...the advocacy he speaks of can now be taken to be advocacy for political change ...much as is needed in Zim.
    Cry the beloved.
    😌🙏

  • @hudsonchalmers6504
    @hudsonchalmers6504 2 роки тому +12

    Andre is one exceptionally brave man

  • @hendrikdevos551
    @hendrikdevos551 2 роки тому +16

    @David very good interview well done, much better than the other news agencies.

    • @DavidAnsara
      @DavidAnsara  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks so much, Hendrik. We need to ask tough questions to solve tough problems.

    • @kennyindlu1086
      @kennyindlu1086 2 роки тому

      @@DavidAnsara In the process of developing a "smart" DB to match demand with supply. It switches and varies loads according to weather conditions and Eskom availability. It can eliminate load shedding and reduce the need for energy storage. Can you help me get a meeting with De Ruyter?

  • @wendypederson2615
    @wendypederson2615 2 роки тому +3

    Informative and intelligent interview. Thank you Andre and David

  • @tonyfluxman7426
    @tonyfluxman7426 2 роки тому +5

    Brilliant discussion. Andre de Ruyter has a vast store of knowledge and what needs to be done to solve SA’s energy crisis as quickly as possible.

  • @niclab01
    @niclab01 2 роки тому +3

    Excellent interview. The challenges and opportunities were clearly articulated. Until we replace the existing political ideology it is unlikely that common sense and technology can resolve the issues.

    • @DavidAnsara
      @DavidAnsara  2 роки тому

      You’ve captured the problem (and the solution) perfectly.

  • @kristian762
    @kristian762 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic show. I really hope we can remove the obstacles facing Eskom so that they can do what they need to do to come right

  • @Dude-1689
    @Dude-1689 2 роки тому +8

    Letting municipalities handle distribution would be the worst decision ever!

  • @glynisansara
    @glynisansara 2 роки тому +4

    Excellent interview.

  • @GregBecker
    @GregBecker 2 роки тому +11

    I do salute Mr de Ruyter, and admire him for taking on the problem.
    The questions I have are:
    1 How much have the costs of coal, staff and non value-adding intermediaries been increased by BEE requirements? (Similar to the debt Eskom has? Is it a coincidence that the coal lobby is politically connected?)
    2 When does Mr de Ruyter think that Mr Mantashe will get with the program he has elucidated regarding green power/storage? (He seems to still be big on nuclear and gas powerships.)
    3 Has Eskom considered purchasing the smelters in SA to get out of the loss making contracts with them? (They are not a large employer, we don't have a competitive advantage there anymore. Declare force majeure, end their electricity and then negotiate.)
    4 When will Eskom be split into 3 different organisations?
    5 What is the impact of crime (incl. sabotage) on the business case for long lived assets, consider the damage done to the solar PV infrastructure on the malls in KZN in 2021? (The real interest rate in SA is huge, reflecting that we are rated junk.)
    6 How much of the current debt will be covered by the future cohort of power stations? (I see the long term accounting treatment of plants as best being conducted on a cohort basis: a plant must generate revenue to cover its input costs, covering its interest etc and give a return to those investors. Future generating plants will generate revenue needed to cover their costs, and can NOT be expected to make contributions to the debt Eskom already has. The current debt is thus sunk - and should be added to the National Debt, and the list of ANC run SOE failures.)
    7 Without a state guarantee is Eskom a going concern?

    • @mmiddelhoven
      @mmiddelhoven 2 роки тому +1

      I agree the debt issue needs to be solved - unfortunately, a taxpayer bailout seems to be the only option - but the sooner it is paid the less interest will be due. It is also clear that no amount of new assets will ever generate the cash to pay off the cost of corruption in Medupi and Kusile.

    • @cccmmm1234
      @cccmmm1234 2 роки тому

      There are loosely two different kinds of generation. Average and peak.
      PV can provide average generation when the sun shines. It provides nothing when there is peak demand at 6.30 pm in winter.
      Thefore building PV does not solve the biggest challenges Eskom has.
      PV gives false hope and prevents people pursuing real solutions

    • @mmiddelhoven
      @mmiddelhoven 2 роки тому

      @@cccmmm1234 there is much hope pinned, and ink spilled on the use of "storage" or "dispatchable power" to offset this asymmetry in renewable production. Could batteries be the solution, and what would be the impact on the grid? It is very difficult to find the cost of upgrading the grid, integrated into the cost of renewables. Then there is the idea of green hydrogen with a reimaging of how industrial processes work - the excess generation at peak is used to increase generation and then a portion is used to offset the trough. Again it is very difficult to find costed scenarios of this capital equipment sitting idle built into the payback and cost of renewables.
      Certainly, there are solutions and if a re-imagining of the status quo is achievable then a majority renewable grid is feasible, in fact, I think it is going to become a reality, and that is probably a good thing, but the costs to consumers are in my view going to be more than what the current bids show.

    • @cccmmm1234
      @cccmmm1234 2 роки тому

      @@mmiddelhoven Batteries are expensive and very inefficient. Sure you could use those but electricity prices would be at least triple what they are now.
      The only way forward for a low value economy like SA is thermal. Coal or one day maybe gas if they get Brullpadda going.
      Bottom line is that it is going to get way worse before it gets better.

    • @mmiddelhoven
      @mmiddelhoven 2 роки тому

      @@cccmmm1234 Can you expand on the cost and inefficiency of batteries? I guess the hope is that over time these costs will reduce - which seems likely. We also need to specify what % of the grid is renewable, how much oversupply there is of renewables and what % of the total is supplied by batteries over what discharge time. This is actually quite a dynamic model and as I mentioned I haven't seen any in-depth costings for various scenarios. As I mentioned when speaking about the cost to consumer of renewables we need to include the storage and transmissions costs, maybe the grid upgrades is a bit unfair but certainly, there is an additional cost to operating a dynamic system.
      Regarding Brullpadda, and the Luiperd discovery, do you have any figures as to what would be the expected daily gas production? Since we lack a local market it is likely the price will be set on some international benchmark, again any figures on the cost to build a gas-fired power plant the size of this plant and the gas supply needed? I assume this would be a baseload plant and no peaking. Given the recent opposition to the seismic surveys, I am not confident that this development will go ahead in any reasonable time frame.
      I disagree, I can't see South Africa pursuing a thermal coal electricity system, the green pressures are simply too much, I do agree that this means RSA needs to achieve a high-value economy, which again with the right political leadership is possible.
      in some sense we are extremely fortunate, that our current system is reaching obsolescence at the same time as this major shift, the question is can we take advantage of this or score another own goal?

  • @LivinginSAtv
    @LivinginSAtv 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for this David. Loved everything about this interview. ✔️

  • @iantjasink6966
    @iantjasink6966 2 роки тому +1

    Great interview! thanks amused at how he avoids the BEE issue. Sad How crime seems to be supported at the highest level of government. No one seems to manage to get the police to be police

  • @buzzzlightyear11y2
    @buzzzlightyear11y2 2 роки тому +4

    Excellent interview, thank you David!

  • @doubtleadstotruth
    @doubtleadstotruth 2 роки тому +1

    Brilliantly conducted interview. Thank you for giving him quality time and attention to explain his take of the reality on the ground. Would have loved to hear more about the economics of the current case for Natural Gas that the Minister of Energy is pushing.

  • @lydiaventer4440
    @lydiaventer4440 2 роки тому

    Please just leave Mr De Ruyter he know what he is doing. Nobody would ever want to be in his shoes. We are in this problem, and he is the one person that have the facts to see this through. From my side thank you so much for what you do sir.

  • @MichaelIngram-i4y
    @MichaelIngram-i4y 2 роки тому +3

    If de Ruiter can't fix Eskom then its not fixable

  • @Cat-le4dk
    @Cat-le4dk 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you! Very informative

  • @mmiddelhoven
    @mmiddelhoven 2 роки тому +2

    Great interview, De Ruyter clearly understands the problems and has a number of viable solutions but is severely hamstrung by the "shareholder" of Eskom and the policy of the ANC/South Africa. This interview also just highlights how far up chocolate creek we are, and it creates some interesting questions/compromises.
    1) The grid connections are not where the "energy" is - so if we build RE in Mpulmlanga, we will presumably pay a cost for the lower efficiency? Is there any data on this cost?
    2) Why is it so slow to build transmission capacity in the Northern Cape? What can be done to increase this?
    3) Will this renewable electricity all be secured by long term take or pay contracts or will there be an energy market? _ this will have a big impact on costs. If we have an energy market, what happens to the non-payers - courts have recently found it unconstitutional to cut the power...private energy is going to price in this bad debt risk, or the state has to guarantee it, and they are broke.
    4) Highlights that storage is a big component - surely this cost is factored into the cost of the RE power?
    5) to use Medupi as a bench mark for construction times is disingenuous - there are examples of much quicker and cheaper power stations being designed, built and commissioned.
    6) Sure gas power can be brought online in a very short timeframe? At least to replace the diesel "gas-fired peaker plants"
    To me too much of the conversation is focused on a solution that makes the most people happy and not the most pragmatic, least cost, least time solutions.
    I also love the term - "non-value-adding intermediaries" as a euphemism for BEE - which pretty much sums up one of the biggest problems with our current BEE and local content policies, luckily Minister Patel is developing a master plan!

  • @hugh-martinrouxhughy7419
    @hugh-martinrouxhughy7419 2 роки тому +2

    Just stumbled on this channel, would like to commend your efforts, you've earned a sub :) Thanks for the hard work

    • @DavidAnsara
      @DavidAnsara  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the sub! It’s a lot of work but worth it for comments like these 👌

  • @bolo863
    @bolo863 2 роки тому +6

    I'd say that the average South African has the right to complain considering it's not their fault the government hasn't bothered to keep up the maintenance of the infrastructure and is charging us more than ever in the history of the country! To say we are literally loosing our livelihoods is an understatement. So do forgive us for complaining. Especially considering I have never and will never vote for the ANC.

  • @randallfamily9636
    @randallfamily9636 2 роки тому

    Thx 4 presenting this video and the interview so it can in kindergarten terms be said out aloud who is to blame

  • @rosh3478
    @rosh3478 2 роки тому

    Excellent interview. Thanl you 💡

  • @Neo_Rain146
    @Neo_Rain146 2 роки тому

    ‘Transformation objectives’ are the reason SA and Eskom are in the state they’re in

  • @joeferreira657
    @joeferreira657 2 роки тому

    This information and interview should be shown on national TV, at different times, that truth of our state of corruption,then people will talk, rewards for stolen copper, stolen goods from Eskom ,jail and no bail for 60 day's for people involved.assits frozen.

  • @hugo_kruger
    @hugo_kruger 2 роки тому +2

    A world without carbon emissions is a fantasy.

  • @NickWallaceCT
    @NickWallaceCT 2 роки тому +6

    Nice interview, but this leaves me with less hope that we can turn this around than I had before watching it. I don't believe focusing on renewables only is going to get this country out of the hole its in.

    • @cccmmm1234
      @cccmmm1234 2 роки тому

      Hope is overrated if it is false hope. Give people the truth

    • @pieterhaarhoff7228
      @pieterhaarhoff7228 2 роки тому

      Under the current government eskom will never recover!

  • @entabeni1337
    @entabeni1337 2 роки тому +2

    I really hope the ANC will loose power in 2024, and that the new coalition government will scrap these damaging policies. Imagine more De Ruyters in key positions in this country appointed on Merit instead of BEE incompetent ANC cadre thieves

  • @seanjohnson5893
    @seanjohnson5893 2 роки тому +1

    Got to say that De Ruyter has balls. He knows the failings of government and BEE/AA policies and as everyone knows, he needs to fight against the disasterous and brainless ANC to succeed.
    In the entire history of South Africa, nothing has ever been more destructive than the ANC and its BEE policy.

  • @randallfamily9636
    @randallfamily9636 2 роки тому

    May the ones that voted in the people responsible be the ones that suffer the most

  • @arminmuller9826
    @arminmuller9826 2 роки тому +4

    Why do we keep on skipping around and ignoring the fastest way of reducing load and dependence from Eskom by empowering citizens to install solar water heating and solar electrical systems. This will overcome the potential corruption issues from big problems. This can be set up so that the distributed home generation and battery storage systems can be used to augment Eskom capacity. Electricity can be fed into the system during high peak/demand periods and given back during low demand periods. In Europe citizens are encouraged to do this with tax incentives, in SA with our super sunshine we are penalized with such installations in some cases and in the majority of cases hobbled by the initial capital cost of a proper installation.

    • @janco333
      @janco333 2 роки тому

      There are very few people that can afford a solar system, top 1% of earners start at R45k per month...

    • @arminmuller9826
      @arminmuller9826 2 роки тому

      @@janco333 agree with you which is why I mention that these installations should be incentivised by tax write offs. This also goes for solar water heaters!

  • @Ibanezyt
    @Ibanezyt 2 роки тому

    Very insightful interview, thanks! Is it a given that there are no clean ways to burn coal for energy generation?

  • @jczartoryski
    @jczartoryski 2 роки тому +2

    If procurement policies are changed, it will put a tonne of rent-seeking comrades out of business. The governing party is thus not interested in changing that policy. They won't deprive themselves of those freebie money flows.

  • @JD-bw8gg
    @JD-bw8gg 2 роки тому

    Please can you tell us where he gets his figures on the solar panel price... @David ansara I would suggest you reach out to the manufacturer in regard to this as it is not 20% and it is more a regulatory policy that is driving up the price the capacity is also not correct... One would think that Eskom ceo would have his facts straight about the exact issue that can save the electricy isseu in this country

  • @adamanthony7465
    @adamanthony7465 Рік тому

    There are similarities between SA and Germany as renewables are drawn forward.
    SA has a demographic advantage. Education on Electric Generation begins today. R
    Renewables will require vast numbers of trained personnel.
    The advocacy continues
    Blau Zukunft .
    A new energy for Zimbabwe.

  • @edwarddossantos9089
    @edwarddossantos9089 2 роки тому +1

    We need informed intelligent voters.

  • @errolG68
    @errolG68 2 роки тому +1

    The biggest stumbling block to growth in SA is BEE

  • @msingizanengwenya6707
    @msingizanengwenya6707 2 роки тому

    I need an explanation as to what are we mum about nuclear power generation - be it fission or fusion?

  • @kostaapostolides3030
    @kostaapostolides3030 2 роки тому

    In our country Partys appoints the councillors.d
    so they can't be voted out

  • @kostaapostolides3030
    @kostaapostolides3030 2 роки тому +1

    What about baseload capacity

  • @richhambloch
    @richhambloch 2 роки тому +1

    Seems like we hamstring ourselves worrying about international perceptions and carbon tax? Nuclear is the way forward I think. Supplemented by coal, solar and wind, in that order eventually fading these three out and sticking with nuclear and the remaining infrastructure being on standby to nuclear shortfalls.....Poor guy is up against it though! I truly hope he succeeds!!!

    • @mikereddell6468
      @mikereddell6468 2 роки тому

      With the level of competence in our country, I would not encourage nuclear. 😉

  • @gustabeumer688
    @gustabeumer688 2 роки тому

    Germany are firing up their coal power stations but at least they are maintained. It is very easy to blame corruption that with good management should have been held to a minimum. Nuclear power is clean.

  • @billfreeman1176
    @billfreeman1176 2 роки тому

    This mans ability is what this country requires in every aspect of managing this economy. Not a single member of this useless ANC government is able to compete with this man. It is like comparing the ability of an imbacile to Einstein. When you listen to this mans ability and knowledge of the total problem is what we require in government to run this country.
    Listening to his ability to explain the situation is awesome. No one in the ANC could compete with his ability. SO NOW YOU KNOW WHY THIS COUNTRY IS HEADING FOR DISASTER.
    UNFORTUNATELY THE ANC JUST CANNOT SUCCEED. WHEN WILL THE MASSES WAKE UP?????

  • @mikeywheels
    @mikeywheels 2 роки тому

    If you interview him again please ask, "At what point do you sell Eskom and make it completely private?"

  • @msingizanengwenya6707
    @msingizanengwenya6707 2 роки тому

    We are also are mum about hydro- power generation?

  • @kostaapostolides3030
    @kostaapostolides3030 2 роки тому

    what about the base load capacity which renewables

  • @willemwikkelspies7732
    @willemwikkelspies7732 2 роки тому

    Difficult to put the genie back in the bottle , when the non payment brigade now infiltrated Eskom

  • @papalegba4449
    @papalegba4449 2 роки тому

    35:48 You hear that ANC, strange concept hey?

  • @claywilson6149
    @claywilson6149 2 роки тому

    Please explain why getting caught stealing resources from Eskom to the tune of 100 million during an energy crisis , gives you a R5000 bail from the state ? Who were the perpetrators and why are their identities withheld from the public ? I know the answer ....BUT DOES MR DE RUYTER????

  • @cccmmm1234
    @cccmmm1234 2 роки тому +1

    Stop messing around with renewables.
    The time to put on a parachute is before you jump out of the plane.
    The time to fix Eskom was 20 years ago.

  • @paulrodrigues5562
    @paulrodrigues5562 2 роки тому

    Yet, I have surplus capacity at home that eishkom won't credit me for. In fact the opposite by forcing smart meters which don't allow surplus power feed back into grid. Depth of stupidity is most impressive SA asset.

  • @joecruiser
    @joecruiser 2 роки тому +4

    De Ruiter is fighting a lost cause!
    He cannot fix eskom.
    Ps.
    People in SA live in their own cosy little Lalaland, within the RamaCouch Confidence Trickster paradise and his very potent WakaBanana anc Mafia Land.
    SA ens remain in Wanna Believe and Wanna Trust Wonderland and Slumberland.
    How very sad.......

  • @natesnautical
    @natesnautical 2 роки тому

    Why doesn’t eskom build batteries storage systems? Tesla has many such options?

  • @claywilson6149
    @claywilson6149 2 роки тому

    Operator : "Hello Eskom ....how may i direct your call ?"
    Caller : "Yes ..may i speak to Ruyter , ...Jenny please ?!"
    Operator : "Our CEO is Andre De Ruyter ... there is no Jenny Ruyter here"
    Caller : "You don't say ?!"

    • @paultappan9055
      @paultappan9055 2 роки тому +1

      LOL. I see what you did there. Very sharp!. ROFL!

  • @natesnautical
    @natesnautical 2 роки тому

    Why don’t they claim the mistakes, from the bad design engineers!?

  • @errolG68
    @errolG68 2 роки тому +1

    Please speak to Mr Elon Musk, he is a South African who has built an enormous organisation based on electrification in the USA. Mr de Reiter I take my hat off to you in recommending to Government to allow private industry to build their own electricity industry with no limit on the volume, also to allow business to build their own electronic systems.

  • @josierussell3290
    @josierussell3290 2 роки тому

    UK is going to be using coal plant during winter haha
    So maybe we shouldn’t be too bothered about using coal.
    And who is running this carbon footprint but more important who is going to be making money🤔
    Who is buying up all the farms in USA etc. he will sell you some carbon credits when you’ve used your quota. Mmmmm I think bill will be even richer.
    At the cost of the whole world. This is madness.

  • @dominarmac6068
    @dominarmac6068 2 роки тому +1

    The problem is 2 fold, aNC and Gwede Mantashe.
    What is the difference between God and Gwede Mantashe? God don't think he is Gwede Mantashe.

  • @juanlabuschagne6233
    @juanlabuschagne6233 2 роки тому +1

    You talk so much kak in your framing of the solar v coal question. Solar is viable and cheap. Let's go!

  • @Cdogmaximilian
    @Cdogmaximilian 2 роки тому +2

    Unsolvable problems for South Africa haha.

  • @seriousstrawberry3064
    @seriousstrawberry3064 2 роки тому

    Eskom bashing is a national sport. I wish people would advocate for eskom

  • @stlouisix3
    @stlouisix3 2 роки тому

    He's promoting the climate-change agenda.

  • @Cdogmaximilian
    @Cdogmaximilian 2 роки тому +3

    With an average IQ of 68, these problems are just too complicated to be solved by the majority of South Africa.
    So if you're looking for a change at the ballot box. Don't hold your breath.

  • @riyadhjardine8026
    @riyadhjardine8026 2 роки тому

    David needs to brush up on his interviewing skills. Less innuendo, prejudice and cynicism, more intellectual and academic line of questioning.