Considering the New 5 Kage were able to SOMEWHAT fight off Momoshiki and Kinshiki, I’d say they have a REAL good chance against Madara This was said before I watched the entire video
The thing is only Naruto would be able to hold his own aganst Madara and Sasuke is the only other person that can fight him right now so.... Were talking about 10 Tails Madara I believe.
@@CristanioPeweyyy kinshiki has been stated to be able to split the world with his blades. He's not fodder, the kage could barely even hold him in a seal
The 5 Kage are powerful but they cannot compete with 10 tails level of chakra. Non of them are sage mode or six paths sage mode users so their attacks and jutsus won't work on him. Plus they are that much of taijutsu expert. Limbo Hengoku alone will pack them up.
Not a good argument since 1. They dont need sage of six paths nor sage mode chakra to harm madara as might guy who didnt have any of this was able to harm him 2. They where able to combat 10 tails lvl chakra they literally fought kinshiki and momoshiki who consume chakra fruits for god knows how long. Im not here to argue and just saying madara with limbo would just calp em up is rlly disingenious because for that you need to disregard there speed which wouldnt be fair to them as they were able to keep up with momo and kin and these guys seperately scale to kaguya which madara would get blitzed by so im not here to argue im just saying
trash argument they literally vital in taking down kinshiki and they have key roles against momo so the ten tail chakra point is trash and wrong then you don’t need six paths or sage mode to damage him guy proves that
Tbh, madara limbo can used light fang and cut all of thier head off lmao and these dumbass up here really think they scale up to guy in term of physical strength.
@@donaldduck5382 Because when you keep continuing a series where the main character is supposed to be the strongest you have to introduce stronger enemies for him the face Literally DC and marvels been doing that ever since its creation and The Japanese in anime/manga Ever since their creation of really popped for Japanese because of dragon ball Z
IMO, Yeah. This was kinda implied by Tobirama when he first got revived by Edo Tensei and was talking with Sasuke. Also, when Sasuke unlocked the 3rd tomoe against Naruto in part 1, he thought that his body is influenced by the curse mark. So yeah
@@CE77777 Naruto would blitz tf outta Madara. You realize Madra ain't that strong no more once Kaguya not only surpasses him but dwarfs Madara in power to the point Madara exploded due to not being able to harness all the chakara BZ absorbed. Then as the years go on you have other ootsutsuki that rival or surpass Kaguya then you have the Kara inners who use technology to keep up with ootsutsuki level threats.
@@insanoibro6331 narutos scalings to momoshiki and momoshikis to kaguya are hella vague but all that’s besides the point anyway, I said ‘borutos scaling’ would make madara challenge Naruto (and I meant double rinnegan alive madara aswell not even jyuubi) and why? Because the power scaling is shit an don’t make sense
@@insanoibro6331 Madara became a balloon mainly because Kaguya's chakra was entering his body at a very fast rate and unwillingly since Zetsu is forcefully putting it to him. If he absorbed that chakra slowly and willingly, the result would have been different.
Basically Boruto Era 4 Kage/50% Base Naruto/Fatigued Sasuke ~ Kinshiki/Momoshiki >= Infinite Tsukuyomi Chakra Absorbed Kaguya (Sasuke stated they were Kaguya level threats), who herself is exponentially >>>>> base Kaguya (As stated by Black Zetsu) who's >>> 3 Eyed Madara to the point where Madara's body had to absorb multiple Juubi levels amps after he himself reached his own full power in order to properly be just a vessel for Kaguya's power. (It was stated that the chakra flowing into Madara was Juubi levels of power, and Sasuke was ready to fight Madara, but was freaking out over the level of Chakra that Kaguya had, clearly showing Kaguya is far above Madara) Realistically speaking, the Kage should be able to blitz and one shot Madara due to scaling chains. Not counting Naruto, Gaara and Darui are the heavy hitters who in the novel, even Momoshiki acknowledged as too class fighters in the same tier as 50% Base Naruto and Fatigued Sasuke. Even if Madara has Regen, Gaara can seal him. Limbo clones would be too slow to catch them, but even if he catches them standing still the clones are more than exponentially weaker than them. Madara's strongest attacks wouldn't be able to bridge the massive exponential gap between himself and Infinite Tsukuyomi Chakra Absorbed Kaguya, and even if he did, he'd just be on the same level as the Kage. They're so much faster than him that his Sharingan or Rinnegan shouldn't matter. Truth Seeking Orbs are the most dangerous, but on defense, they don't insta kill as shown by Guy. Also shown by Guy is the fact that a physical/taijutsu attack can kill him if it lands in the right spot Madara's only win condition is Genjutsu, and he's not catching all of the Kage who are exponentially faster than him in Genjutsu. Especially when all 5 of the current Kage either fought Sasuke or is aware of how the Sharingan works due to their various fights or the 5 Kage Summit
@Analizer @Analizer Maybe, but it's basically been said that the Boruto Kage surpass the might of the rest of the leaf village , which includes a hypocritical 8th Gate Lee, Kakashi, Sakura, Shikamaru etc Basically the Boruto era 5 Kage and Sasuke are the 6 strongest 'normal' Shinobi around and can fight Otsutsuki level threats above that of Kaguya, but Fused Momoshiki level is too much for the 4 Kage and Jigen is too much for Naruto and Sasuke
@@courtneylankford7627 There is no debate. Madara is weaker than base Kaguya who's exponentially weaker than Infinite Tsukuyomi absorbed Kaguya who's weaker than Kinshiki and Momoshiki individually who the Kage scale to. That's not a low-ball, that's literally just what it is But you mentioning Minato who's like KCM2 Naruto level just shows you're trolling
It’s pure PIS for the kages to have pressured Momoshiki and Kinshiki because the same Kinshiki can keep up with Sasuke and same Momoshiki can break Susanoo head in Chunin exams but they were Nerfed in Momoshiki world to point they can’t one shot kages
People forget that they only kept up with kinshiki speed. The only time he is damaged by them is off gaurd and when he was on gaurd and got hit took no damage. They do take hits from kinshiki and have good dura feats from their fight but they don't really have ap feats against him. And momo dura unfused seems to scale below his own ap by a good bit
@@oboxisreal no it’s not. Momo broke perfect Kurama Susanoo head. Momo pressured SPSM Naruto. Kinshiki constantly kept up with Kinshiki. Naruro and Sasuke are god tiers. They are moon - small planet. Those kages are like mountain - large mountain level. It’s PIS for a mountain lv tier to pressure or cause trouble for moon level tiers
@@oboxisreal because she just made a chunk of space inside outer space and placed some planets she created inside of it. She could’ve made a artificial small sun like Toneri did inside the moon but her planets be real. Plus they are planet invaders and drain planets not stars.
@@i.i368 naw not even close sakuras strength would destroy all of her Justus Sakura is faster because she has speeds of the gates which would be around lighting tier her base would cockslap her ez
Madara and Hashirama are outclassed. Boruto era characters are way beyond that lvl. Madara needs six paths powers to keep up and even then it's questionable.
I disagree They think at best they are relative and Madara outhaxes But they are stated to be stronger than Sakura Base Sakura could harm Kaguya. The bakugo seal is 5x amp. So should be vastly stronger than kaguya. Kaguya is also a blitz level faster than Madara.
@@KingBullet123dude i get the idea of the boruto kages being relative to kinshiki but they are not stronger than sakura. Sakura not going to fight momoshiki means nothing. Dont forget she has a daughter to look after and sasuske wont want to take his wife to fight ALiens when in sasuske retsuden he stated that he cant let his wife help him to fight dinosaurs😂. Despite saying he doesnt doubt her ability. Moreso gaara referred to sakura has someone who he cant look down on stating sakura was a rare exception to ninjas who cant match him. He doesnt even say sakura is relative to him. He just said" sakura is an exception meaning sakura could even be stronger than him. Later he goes on to praise her and call her outstandingly great. So your scaling of boruto kages>sakura is wrong. Sakura is a main character the kages arent. No way side characters can be stronger than a main character. Who was stated in the databook to never fall behind naruto and sasuske. That means wether naruto and sasuake are adults or teen she would always be somewhat relative. So yes the kages are above madara but not sakura.
Hold up, if revived Madara still has abilities of Ten Tails like Gaara and Hagoromo, does that mean that Naruto could still have some Kurama abilities?
You never mentioned the infinite tsukuyomi at all when talking about Madara's arsenal. Honestly I think he would sense their chakra and immediately send his limbo clones at them (which they can't sense) and keep them preoccupied with them along with a bunch of chibaku tensei meteors so he could cast the infinite tsukuyomi (like he did against Naruto and Sasuke).
@@ChangerofWays-TzeentchSakura, Kakashi, and Naruto were unaffected by infinite tsukuyomi thanks to Sasuke’s Susanoo blocking it’s light, even when Naruto who has spsm wanted to go out and see he get stopped by Sasuke meaning that it’s likely you need a Rinnegan to be immune
I don’t know why but Madara tends to test one’s strength, kinda like a fetish (?) of him actually, regardless of it being his allies or foes. When Madara and Obito obtained the ten tails Obito wanted to cast the infinite tsukuyomi immediately but Madara wanted to test it strength against the alliance, this immediately backfired as the Hokage came and pinned it down, Madara also didn’t use Limbo clone against Gai when they fought and Gai almost killed him so there’s that
This why I don’t listen to channels. Y’all doing this because of the boruto power scaling. But failing to see that the power scale changes when it’s otsosuki only . Everyone else out side of that are ninja . Except Sasuke and Naruto . They are six paths tier , which is useless to otsosuki tier shinobis ( namely the ones who are a threat above the ones that are already a threat threat.) . As a ninja Madara showed his levels and he’s basically an otsosuki level tier ninja himself . Because he’s at minimum six paths level. None of the current kages can beat six paths , not even so combined
He hasn’t been shown ,but he’s stated to have surpassed guy by quite a bit. He still would lose to adult Naruto and Sasuke , but he’s potentially strong enough to rival war arc six paths Naruto. Adult is a hell no.
@@Sign23sasuke rinnegan and his own physical speed and power shit stomps 8 gates lee…. Imagine lee burning up trying to kick sasuke while sasuke is chilling in a perfect susanoo with and inferno style onyx chidori and hit him with it…. Too easy
@therealbnasty3719 I doubt that. Even 8 gates guy crippled Madara who was a demigod. But 8 gates lee against Sasuke? Lee would probably have an arsenal of stronger variations of sekizo and night guy. Sasuke is dead.
No, that’s crazy. That’s why I don’t watch Boruto I did read some of it, but it just doesn’t hit right like it’s fine for an anime not to be as good as Naruto but like it’s really bad they made it weird new GEN and the power scaling is really weird. A lot of the ways you can get the power scaling to work correctly is by basing them off of other characters course that’s a personal thing I don’t like the kind of this mood like all the old legends of Naruto not relevant in this the weird new power scaling, but I mean anime is it taste I guess
People completely misunderstand power creep, most of the higher tier characters in boruto can nearly solo shippuden(generally with only one exception, that being kaguya)
@@vinno5901 the new five kage ain't doing nothing to that 1000 hand Buddha statue sorry little kid😂 they will be railed hard and plus Madara as a 10 tails is too op for the new kage too they can't do nothing to that infinite tsukuyomi and susanoo.
@@UnknowinglyBetter2 he gets blitzed and the budda dosen’t have the Ap to do anything to them regardless. All there abilities including infinite tsukuyomi means nothing due to the enormous power and speed gap which everybody in shippuden gets blitzed and one shotted aside from kaguya only cuss of her immortality
@@UnknowinglyBetter2 “little kid” yet your “arguments” if I can even call it that are literal shit and get negged by the objective fact that via scaling the kage have an astronomical advantage in Ap and speed. Your such a normie😂
Oh, another wanna be powerscaler thinks that Sakura "harmed" Kaguya because she broke her horn which is proven times and times again to not be even close to be as durable as a person and is pretty easy to break. Every other argument becomes irrelevant since guy doesn't even know how scaling works lmao
Do some research, his intro is almost word for word compared to some of Seth's videos. I realize that Seth is the Goat when it comes to this facet in the Naruto community, but that does not give you the right to copy him for clout. Be more creative and not generic next time. That is all.
I think it depends if he has 6 path chakra...if he does i think he is stronger due to Obito having bigger chakra pool then Kakashi being physically stronger then Kakashi with Uchiha Body(unlike Kakashi) and being able to spam Kamui(remember Obito already would've all 5 changes in chakra nature at this point since he had the Rinnegan before which grant him all those chakra nature+wood release with kamui and Susano would be broken) Again Juubito was limited because he couldn't teleport or phase through attacks because off the Juubi presence inside of Obito.
I don't really see the new era kage taking down war arc naruto and madara scales above naruto and sasuke together. (I'm talking about naruto and sasuke right before madara gets oofed
@@CristanioPeweyyy The video literally tells the feats and Boruto power cliffs like hell, all Otsusuki are above Madara and the kage are able to keep up with them. Like? What more evidence is needed?
I don’t think the new kage scale of above Sakura lore wise and technically speaking yes but feats wise no Sakura in her base would beat any of the 6 kage except for naruto and sauske
One thing you need to understand for naruto scaling is that just because you hurt someone stronger than you doesn't mean you scale to them, for example konohamaru is capable of almost destroying one of the paths of pains when he is literally hundreds and maybe even thousands of times weaker than him, the same thing happened for borutos vanishing rasengan and momoshiki and things like normal swords stabbing into naruto whos at least small planet level, With the logic that Sakura scales to Kaguya because she can punch her head and snap her horn, we would be able to get Boruto Gaara and each of the new kage above everyone in shippuden based off the fact that they can damage momoshiki who is stronger than Kaguya and Hagaromo, on top of that the statement "Sakura has unmatched strength" is stupid because you wanna know who else was stated to have unmatched strength? boil release Naruto, 8 gates gai, madaras susanoo, and literally jirobo
Sakura is kage level herself but garra, darui and the others have filled the shoes of the strongest shinobi alive in their villages. They don’t need to have 30 episodes to show their strength, it took them one.
u downplayed madara's speed heavily , edo madara alone was reactin n nearly blitzed kcm2 naruto , kcm2 is abt 73x dat of the raikage who is implied 2 b joinin minato >~ raikage , n since were usin juubidara he'd b exponentially fasta
Ya I'd put Gaara and maybe Darui above Sakura. Shikamaru also may have thought Sakura could be the next Hokage and didn't wanna risk her dying in case they failed.
Blind sage Madara>Juubito>Edo Madara>Rinnegan Obito Was stated in additional source material that blind Madara is the strongest enemy of the shinobi it was bit before he gained 6 path powers.
@@lookeshdas455 no sakura is abt sannin level full power in the war arc and in the last and hidan novels she was above sannin level her base in boruto is easily above the sannin and her byakugo mode would be a 10 times amp in power and speed so how do you think that
Oh wow this dude say sakura compareable to naruto sasuke in strenght i would understand sasuke but naruto And the writing was bad when she punch kaguya
I dont agree they can't beat six paths madara, you said that this fight would be a blitz but you seem To Forget that Madara has advanced precognition, which allows him To see into the future. Madara wouldn't get sealed by Gaara, a base Alive Madara reanimated was still able To easily get out of the seal. Another reason why Madara beats them is because in Storm 4, which is canon, it was shown that Madara make the limbo clones use Perfect susanoo, so what are the kages gonna do against that, and btw Gaara's dans based attacks wont do shit To madara bc in his six paths state + shinju, he can negate all ninjutsus, + Perfect susanoo + all the abilities of the rinnegan + limbo clones + wood style + truth seeking orbs, and last The Mugen Tsukuyomi which is a one shot technique, he clears
"I dont agree they can't beat six paths madara, you said that this fight would be a blitz but you seem To Forget that Madara has advanced precognition, which allows him To see into the future. " You seem sasuke vs rock lee? cause thats what gonna happen to him. "Madara wouldn't get sealed by Gaara, a base Alive Madara reanimated was still able To easily get out of the seal." So you think gaara didn't get any stronger in like 14 years? "Another reason why Madara beats them is because in Storm 4, which is canon, it was shown that Madara make the limbo clones use Perfect susanoo, so what are the kages gonna do against that, " Ignore them because they can't hurt them. "btw Gaara's dans based attacks wont do shit To madara bc in his six paths state + shinju, he can negate all ninjutsus, + Perfect susanoo + all the abilities of the rinnegan + limbo clones + wood style + truth seeking orbs, and last The Mugen Tsukuyomi which is a one shot technique, he clears" Daam bro thats crazy, too bad he gets speed blitzed and 1 shotted.
I agree with everything except Storm 4 being canon tbh. Because by your logic, Itachi and Shisui would have Perfect Susanoo too. But they don't have that
@@franciscopereira7798 Sasuke vs Rock lee is a bad comparaison considering the fact that sasuke was below Lee in terms of speed. "So u think that gaara didn't get any stronger in like 14 years" it doesn't even matter bc he's not a jinchuriki anymore + he doesn't have alot in his arsenal To do something Against dual rinnegan rikudo madara. In my Storm 4, based on what feat you think that Madara's limbo clones that can become Perfect susanoo can't hurt them ? What kind of dumb logic is that ? Are u implying that they can tank attacks from the Perfect susanoo even tho they cant even see them given the fact that they dont have the senjutsu or the sage of six paths chakra to sense the limbo clones or precieve them ? You saying that Madara gets one shotted by new age kage make you look dumb, they cannot really deal critical damage bc senjutsu is the only counter To Madara, or someone who is as experianced as Guy, which isn't the case for any age kage. You are ignoring the fact that madara has the truth seeking orbs which can negate durability and regenration, but it also affects your soul as when we saw minato get hit with those, when he left the physical body, his soul still had no arms, the kage are getting bodied And you lost all credibility when you compared sasuke To Madara
@@BeastXIS that's not the case bc Madara actually showed that he could do the Perfect susanoo in his base form, he even used susanoo while being blind but when it comes To his most powerful form he cant ?
LOL the new kage are NOT stronger than 8 gates lee, base lee definetly, but not the 8 gates lee. You can’t imply they are by shikamru’s statement when going after naruto because lee hasn’t gone 8 gates, just like how no one knew how strong gai’s 8 gate form was before he used it. I mean you tryna say they’re stronger than sage naruto😂😂😂😂😂😂😴 And Madara has a light speed sage attack, none of the kage can dodge or tank that attack, its an auto 1 shot
I didn’t say they were stronger than 8th gate adult lee. Also light speed attacks aren’t that fast in comparison to the new era kage Even base adult Naruto without chakra in retsuden was reacting to light speed photons
@@walkertalker3232 I did prove that. I proved that the new kage scale to characters who can beat up someone Sasuke believed was so strong he “didn’t believe existed” and can blitz. This is an in character debate since that’s standard vs battle assumptions (avbs). Regardless of it kage win handedly. Mainly due to speed.
@@zedaf872 That's really simple. Current Orochimaru, Kabuto, Kakashi and Sakura would destroy the 4 kages and 100% of the fans would agree on that. If you go by the novel as well All you need is Orochimaru Sakura and Kakashi and they smash
@@zedaf872 They would get one shot by madara much faster. What proof do you have that they are stronger, dont tell me because they faced Momoshiki and kinshiki for a second that puts them above lmaooo
@@orochimarupr981 I never said they beat juubidara I don’t believe that. it’s the fact you think they’re the weakest set of Kages and you not having proof to back it up.
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isnt there a statement that the leaf village (no narusasu)>the world?
Can you do war arc neji in current mha verse I want to know how far he would get
Considering the New 5 Kage were able to SOMEWHAT fight off Momoshiki and Kinshiki, I’d say they have a REAL good chance against Madara
This was said before I watched the entire video
The thing is only Naruto would be able to hold his own aganst Madara and Sasuke is the only other person that can fight him right now so.... Were talking about 10 Tails Madara I believe.
Kinshiki is fodder, has shown shit feats.
@@CristanioPeweyyy kinshiki has been stated to be able to split the world with his blades. He's not fodder, the kage could barely even hold him in a seal
@@CristanioPeweyyy he’s shown reacting to sasuke and stated to be able to split the world bruh
@@peacefuldestroyer2135 But he's never split a world.
The 5 Kage are powerful but they cannot compete with 10 tails level of chakra. Non of them are sage mode or six paths sage mode users so their attacks and jutsus won't work on him. Plus they are that much of taijutsu expert. Limbo Hengoku alone will pack them up.
Agree
Not a good argument since 1. They dont need sage of six paths nor sage mode chakra to harm madara as might guy who didnt have any of this was able to harm him 2. They where able to combat 10 tails lvl chakra they literally fought kinshiki and momoshiki who consume chakra fruits for god knows how long. Im not here to argue and just saying madara with limbo would just calp em up is rlly disingenious because for that you need to disregard there speed which wouldnt be fair to them as they were able to keep up with momo and kin and these guys seperately scale to kaguya which madara would get blitzed by so im not here to argue im just saying
trash argument they literally vital in taking down kinshiki and they have key roles against momo so the ten tail chakra point is trash and wrong then you don’t need six paths or sage mode to damage him guy proves that
Tbh, madara limbo can used light fang and cut all of thier head off lmao and these dumbass up here really think they scale up to guy in term of physical strength.
@@patrickyes9234yea but you have to admit boruto scaling doesn’t make sense sometimes, the kage being that strong is one of those.
Boruto power scaling just depresses me tbh
Same
it only goes up because of the dragon ball franchise they Literally set the standards for Shannon
david spearim ?thats not the reason at all
@@donaldduck5382 Because when you keep continuing a series where the main character is supposed to be the strongest you have to introduce stronger enemies for him the face Literally DC and marvels been doing that ever since its creation and The Japanese in anime/manga Ever since their creation of really popped for Japanese because of dragon ball Z
david spearim but characters don’t need to be as strong as db
question, does the rinnegan amp one's physical stats as well?
IMO, Yeah.
This was kinda implied by Tobirama when he first got revived by Edo Tensei and was talking with Sasuke.
Also, when Sasuke unlocked the 3rd tomoe against Naruto in part 1, he thought that his body is influenced by the curse mark.
So yeah
It doesn't. The chakra in the eye is not connected to the user's chakra network as shown when ao sees danzo having shisui's eye
Yes, it does OM obito is arguably weaker than edo Itachi/Nagato but after gaining rinnegan he is in Madara's league.
yea we seen wen he was abt 2 get dounle rinne obito said it amps u physically
No it doesn't all the physical amps are from getting more chakra from other sources not from the Rinnegan
I think Madara would win if their stats were equalized.
Fr, boruto plot would make madara challenge naruto 😂
@@CE77777 Naruto would blitz tf outta Madara. You realize Madra ain't that strong no more once Kaguya not only surpasses him but dwarfs Madara in power to the point Madara exploded due to not being able to harness all the chakara BZ absorbed. Then as the years go on you have other ootsutsuki that rival or surpass Kaguya then you have the Kara inners who use technology to keep up with ootsutsuki level threats.
Obviously
@@insanoibro6331 narutos scalings to momoshiki and momoshikis to kaguya are hella vague but all that’s besides the point anyway, I said ‘borutos scaling’ would make madara challenge Naruto (and I meant double rinnegan alive madara aswell not even jyuubi) and why? Because the power scaling is shit an don’t make sense
@@insanoibro6331 Madara became a balloon mainly because Kaguya's chakra was entering his body at a very fast rate and unwillingly since Zetsu is forcefully putting it to him.
If he absorbed that chakra slowly and willingly, the result would have been different.
There was people violating kinshiki for get destroyed by the five kage but I guess they don’t know how strong they are
Basically
Boruto Era 4 Kage/50% Base Naruto/Fatigued Sasuke ~ Kinshiki/Momoshiki >= Infinite Tsukuyomi Chakra Absorbed Kaguya (Sasuke stated they were Kaguya level threats), who herself is exponentially >>>>> base Kaguya (As stated by Black Zetsu) who's >>> 3 Eyed Madara to the point where Madara's body had to absorb multiple Juubi levels amps after he himself reached his own full power in order to properly be just a vessel for Kaguya's power. (It was stated that the chakra flowing into Madara was Juubi levels of power, and Sasuke was ready to fight Madara, but was freaking out over the level of Chakra that Kaguya had, clearly showing Kaguya is far above Madara)
Realistically speaking, the Kage should be able to blitz and one shot Madara due to scaling chains. Not counting Naruto, Gaara and Darui are the heavy hitters who in the novel, even Momoshiki acknowledged as too class fighters in the same tier as 50% Base Naruto and Fatigued Sasuke.
Even if Madara has Regen, Gaara can seal him. Limbo clones would be too slow to catch them, but even if he catches them standing still the clones are more than exponentially weaker than them. Madara's strongest attacks wouldn't be able to bridge the massive exponential gap between himself and Infinite Tsukuyomi Chakra Absorbed Kaguya, and even if he did, he'd just be on the same level as the Kage.
They're so much faster than him that his Sharingan or Rinnegan shouldn't matter. Truth Seeking Orbs are the most dangerous, but on defense, they don't insta kill as shown by Guy. Also shown by Guy is the fact that a physical/taijutsu attack can kill him if it lands in the right spot
Madara's only win condition is Genjutsu, and he's not catching all of the Kage who are exponentially faster than him in Genjutsu. Especially when all 5 of the current Kage either fought Sasuke or is aware of how the Sharingan works due to their various fights or the 5 Kage Summit
Not many people can accept this fact
@Analizer @Analizer Maybe, but it's basically been said that the Boruto Kage surpass the might of the rest of the leaf village , which includes a hypocritical 8th Gate Lee, Kakashi, Sakura, Shikamaru etc
Basically the Boruto era 5 Kage and Sasuke are the 6 strongest 'normal' Shinobi around and can fight Otsutsuki level threats above that of Kaguya, but Fused Momoshiki level is too much for the 4 Kage and Jigen is too much for Naruto and Sasuke
@@jocoolshow your low balling madara way too much the kage couldn’t even beat minato debate me
@@courtneylankford7627 There is no debate. Madara is weaker than base Kaguya who's exponentially weaker than Infinite Tsukuyomi absorbed Kaguya who's weaker than Kinshiki and Momoshiki individually who the Kage scale to. That's not a low-ball, that's literally just what it is
But you mentioning Minato who's like KCM2 Naruto level just shows you're trolling
@@jocoolshow you are overrating their feat a lot kinshiki could not beat either kaguy or madara
It’s pure PIS for the kages to have pressured Momoshiki and Kinshiki because the same Kinshiki can keep up with Sasuke and same Momoshiki can break Susanoo head in Chunin exams but they were Nerfed in Momoshiki world to point they can’t one shot kages
People forget that they only kept up with kinshiki speed. The only time he is damaged by them is off gaurd and when he was on gaurd and got hit took no damage. They do take hits from kinshiki and have good dura feats from their fight but they don't really have ap feats against him. And momo dura unfused seems to scale below his own ap by a good bit
@@oboxisreal no it’s not. Momo broke perfect Kurama Susanoo head. Momo pressured SPSM Naruto. Kinshiki constantly kept up with Kinshiki. Naruro and Sasuke are god tiers. They are moon - small planet. Those kages are like mountain - large mountain level. It’s PIS for a mountain lv tier to pressure or cause trouble for moon level tiers
@@oboxisreal no momo is planet level he ate chakra fruit and created his own planet he called seedbed
@@oboxisreal she didn’t make the Star only the planets. And base momo is weaker than Kaguya. Kaguya fruit was powerful than momo fruit
@@oboxisreal because she just made a chunk of space inside outer space and placed some planets she created inside of it. She could’ve made a artificial small sun like Toneri did inside the moon but her planets be real. Plus they are planet invaders and drain planets not stars.
What’s the background music?
What the background music
Bruh make a might guy scale
great vid bro.
Pls do a how strong is ichgico
I want to debate you on Gojo in Naruto part 2 and why if your not making a part 2…you should because it was good.
What exactly do the kage do against truth seeking orbs,infinite tsukuyomi,and limbo clones?
Blitz before he can pull any of those off lol
@@guillermobaldracco1090 I honestly don’t believe that will happen
@@Yu-dp5hp same
@@guillermobaldracco1090 none of them are faster than 8gates guy, who couldn't even beat madara
@@carljohnson3347 normies🤦🏾♂️
W video
So much butthurt people just from reading these comments
Bullet do you think Kurotsuchi is stronger than Sakura? Personally I don’t but I heard it could be debated
The thing is kurotsuchi has way better feats compared to sakura that is why it can be debated
@@i.i368 naw not even close sakuras strength would destroy all of her Justus Sakura is faster because she has speeds of the gates which would be around lighting tier her base would cockslap her ez
@Damn MENACE When was Sakura confirmed to be faster than light?
@@BeastXIS anybody who’s above kcm1 naruto or relative to him is ftl lol
No she isn't. Every boruto Kage is above her via Shikamaru's statement
yeah probably not, they can keep up with otusuki tier characters pretty handily.
They can't defeat a perfect susannoo.
Madara and Hashirama are outclassed. Boruto era characters are way beyond that lvl. Madara needs six paths powers to keep up and even then it's questionable.
Madara would rape them
@@Trickester1000 everything you said is wrong
The madara and Hashirama era is already over lmaooo. 4th shinobi war arc the strongest until the new otusuki showed up in boruto.
That scan of obito ~ edo madara
Is a mistranslation btw
It might be tbh I got it from six but it’s not like it really changes the outcome of this video or anything
I would love too see you make a video power scaling sasuke 🔴 🟣
Thoughts on the seth and six vid about this same vs match?
I disagree
They think at best they are relative and Madara outhaxes
But they are stated to be stronger than Sakura
Base Sakura could harm Kaguya.
The bakugo seal is 5x amp. So should be vastly stronger than kaguya. Kaguya is also a blitz level faster than Madara.
@@KingBullet123dude i get the idea of the boruto kages being relative to kinshiki but they are not stronger than sakura. Sakura not going to fight momoshiki means nothing. Dont forget she has a daughter to look after and sasuske wont want to take his wife to fight ALiens when in sasuske retsuden he stated that he cant let his wife help him to fight dinosaurs😂. Despite saying he doesnt doubt her ability. Moreso gaara referred to sakura has someone who he cant look down on stating sakura was a rare exception to ninjas who cant match him. He doesnt even say sakura is relative to him. He just said" sakura is an exception meaning sakura could even be stronger than him. Later he goes on to praise her and call her outstandingly great. So your scaling of boruto kages>sakura is wrong. Sakura is a main character the kages arent. No way side characters can be stronger than a main character. Who was stated in the databook to never fall behind naruto and sasuske. That means wether naruto and sasuake are adults or teen she would always be somewhat relative. So yes the kages are above madara but not sakura.
Hold up, if revived Madara still has abilities of Ten Tails like Gaara and Hagoromo, does that mean that Naruto could still have some Kurama abilities?
Maybe
Gaara ability like what?
Can you do a video about how strong madara is without data bock
You never mentioned the infinite tsukuyomi at all when talking about Madara's arsenal. Honestly I think he would sense their chakra and immediately send his limbo clones at them (which they can't sense) and keep them preoccupied with them along with a bunch of chibaku tensei meteors so he could cast the infinite tsukuyomi (like he did against Naruto and Sasuke).
They probably just rank it as sakura has tanked six paths Genjutsu so there is no way to stop the Kage
@@ChangerofWays-TzeentchSakura, Kakashi, and Naruto were unaffected by infinite tsukuyomi thanks to Sasuke’s Susanoo blocking it’s light, even when Naruto who has spsm wanted to go out and see he get stopped by Sasuke meaning that it’s likely you need a Rinnegan to be immune
I don’t know why but Madara tends to test one’s strength, kinda like a fetish (?) of him actually, regardless of it being his allies or foes. When Madara and Obito obtained the ten tails Obito wanted to cast the infinite tsukuyomi immediately but Madara wanted to test it strength against the alliance, this immediately backfired as the Hokage came and pinned it down, Madara also didn’t use Limbo clone against Gai when they fought and Gai almost killed him so there’s that
@@hainguyn948 The jutsu that put Naruto and others to sleep in the moon during Naruto the last was a six paths jutsu
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch wasn’t only Naruto and Hinata meant to be affected by it?
do a video of scaling kid Naruto, ps i love your videos daddy ;)
This why I don’t listen to channels. Y’all doing this because of the boruto power scaling. But failing to see that the power scale changes when it’s otsosuki only . Everyone else out side of that are ninja . Except Sasuke and Naruto . They are six paths tier , which is useless to otsosuki tier shinobis ( namely the ones who are a threat above the ones that are already a threat threat.) . As a ninja Madara showed his levels and he’s basically an otsosuki level tier ninja himself . Because he’s at minimum six paths level. None of the current kages can beat six paths , not even so combined
Madara is not an Otsutsuki nor even a low Six paths tier when he was a shinobi lol
And this is why i don tlike power creeping
Jcm? sKCM?
Yeah I expected this result.
I wouldn’t even put 8 gates lee on 8 gates guy level much less six paths naruto
He hasn’t been shown ,but he’s stated to have surpassed guy by quite a bit. He still would lose to adult Naruto and Sasuke , but he’s potentially strong enough to rival war arc six paths Naruto. Adult is a hell no.
isnt 6 gates lee above 8 gates guy??? lol
@@Dj-fb8bs no I think he will destroy sasuke especially in eight gate because of some reasons we know
@@Sign23sasuke rinnegan and his own physical speed and power shit stomps 8 gates lee…. Imagine lee burning up trying to kick sasuke while sasuke is chilling in a perfect susanoo with and inferno style onyx chidori and hit him with it…. Too easy
@therealbnasty3719 I doubt that. Even 8 gates guy crippled Madara who was a demigod. But 8 gates lee against Sasuke? Lee would probably have an arsenal of stronger variations of sekizo and night guy. Sasuke is dead.
The power creep is trash i hate it so bad they shouldnt be this strong
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😂 you repeated what you said twice but good video
Can you do some demon Slayer power scaling
Video should’ve just said yes
Wsg bullet
I think madara can use space time same as kaguya if he mastered his new eye
Same as sasuke
But sadly we didnt saw madara full potential
Can u power scale boruto(as in the character)
@@footy743with karma and a little bit of that delicious karuma chakra he’s already ten tails obito level.
What!!
when u remember that naruto is one of the 5 kages: shiiiiii-
he took Naruto out bc he would solo the Kage and Madara with one leg
No, that’s crazy. That’s why I don’t watch Boruto I did read some of it, but it just doesn’t hit right like it’s fine for an anime not to be as good as Naruto but like it’s really bad they made it weird new GEN and the power scaling is really weird. A lot of the ways you can get the power scaling to work correctly is by basing them off of other characters course that’s a personal thing I don’t like the kind of this mood like all the old legends of Naruto not relevant in this the weird new power scaling, but I mean anime is it taste I guess
madara > fused momo > fp kaguya > momoshiki > kinshiki
i felt like the new 5 kage are weaker than the old 5 kage from Shippuden
Like gaara today is weaker than gaara yesterday?
@Sign23 He meant the 5 kage overall.
Current kages vs Orochimaru Kabuto Kakashi Sakura??
If they cant beat that team they have no chance against madara
Current kabuto or war arc? Cause war arc solos
Chojuro > hagoromo confirmed, don’t @ me
Only physically
Facts
what?
I dont think you can @ if its not a reply
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How IS that even a question
People completely misunderstand power creep, most of the higher tier characters in boruto can nearly solo shippuden(generally with only one exception, that being kaguya)
Exceptions are Sasuke Naruto and kaguya as well as hashirama and madara
@@UnknowinglyBetter2 hashirama and madara get analed
@@vinno5901 the new five kage ain't doing nothing to that 1000 hand Buddha statue sorry little kid😂 they will be railed hard and plus Madara as a 10 tails is too op for the new kage too they can't do nothing to that infinite tsukuyomi and susanoo.
@@UnknowinglyBetter2 he gets blitzed and the budda dosen’t have the Ap to do anything to them regardless. All there abilities including infinite tsukuyomi means nothing due to the enormous power and speed gap which everybody in shippuden gets blitzed and one shotted aside from kaguya only cuss of her immortality
@@UnknowinglyBetter2 “little kid” yet your “arguments” if I can even call it that are literal shit and get negged by the objective fact that via scaling the kage have an astronomical advantage in Ap and speed. Your such a normie😂
Bro had to remove the goat☠️ cause he would clap Madara
Oh, another wanna be powerscaler thinks that Sakura "harmed" Kaguya because she broke her horn which is proven times and times again to not be even close to be as durable as a person and is pretty easy to break. Every other argument becomes irrelevant since guy doesn't even know how scaling works lmao
She also bruised her and pushed her down
lmao easily debunkable comment i just cba
there’s no way they can beat madara.. they can’t see or sense limbo or counter chibaku tensai & all the other abilities he has
There physically too far above him for any of his abilities too matter
@@SRVaris stop this
@@atg3990 No
@@SRVaris wdym no
@@atg3990 I won't stop because I'm right
Madara washes them! And in record time too
This dude copying Seth the Programmers intro
He wants to be Seth so bad 👎
Shut up chump! What are you even talking about?
Are you alright?
Do some research, his intro is almost word for word compared to some of Seth's videos. I realize that Seth is the Goat when it comes to this facet in the Naruto community, but that does not give you the right to copy him for clout. Be more creative and not generic next time. That is all.
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Hey do u think full strength susano dms obito would be stronger than jubito
I think it depends if he has 6 path chakra...if he does i think he is stronger due to Obito having bigger chakra pool then Kakashi being physically stronger then Kakashi with Uchiha Body(unlike Kakashi) and being able to spam Kamui(remember Obito already would've all 5 changes in chakra nature at this point since he had the Rinnegan before which grant him all those chakra nature+wood release with kamui and Susano would be broken)
Again Juubito was limited because he couldn't teleport or phase through attacks because off the Juubi presence inside of Obito.
No
yea jus look at dms kakashi
Madara wouldn't even use his rinnengan because what grown men would use full force against mere children
So their all kaguya level at least, given they were relative to kenshiki and momoshiki whom she feared
I don't really see the new era kage taking down war arc naruto and madara scales above naruto and sasuke together. (I'm talking about naruto and sasuke right before madara gets oofed
Considering that will stated they got stronger than they were in the war arc
@@davidspearim5552 Feats haven't proved it.
@@CristanioPeweyyy The video literally tells the feats and Boruto power cliffs like hell, all Otsusuki are above Madara and the kage are able to keep up with them. Like? What more evidence is needed?
@@judgemasterneimaz8260so we are agreeing the kages are built different now and the outosuki are not getting weaker?
@@therealbnasty3719 ye
I don’t think the new kage scale of above Sakura lore wise and technically speaking yes but feats wise no Sakura in her base would beat any of the 6 kage except for naruto and sauske
One thing you need to understand for naruto scaling is that just because you hurt someone stronger than you doesn't mean you scale to them, for example konohamaru is capable of almost destroying one of the paths of pains when he is literally hundreds and maybe even thousands of times weaker than him, the same thing happened for borutos vanishing rasengan and momoshiki and things like normal swords stabbing into naruto whos at least small planet level, With the logic that Sakura scales to Kaguya because she can punch her head and snap her horn, we would be able to get Boruto Gaara and each of the new kage above everyone in shippuden based off the fact that they can damage momoshiki who is stronger than Kaguya and Hagaromo, on top of that the statement "Sakura has unmatched strength" is stupid because you wanna know who else was stated to have unmatched strength? boil release Naruto, 8 gates gai, madaras susanoo, and literally jirobo
Sakura is kage level herself but garra, darui and the others have filled the shoes of the strongest shinobi alive in their villages. They don’t need to have 30 episodes to show their strength, it took them one.
Putting the Naruto in his six paths form may be unfair but putting base Naruto should be fine
True
Nope madara can't beat any of the new era kages
Chojuro and darui slam
sakura wasnt able 2 fight wit naruto n sasuke bcuz she was healin the village 😭😭
u downplayed madara's speed heavily , edo madara alone was reactin n nearly blitzed kcm2 naruto , kcm2 is abt 73x dat of the raikage who is implied 2 b joinin minato >~ raikage , n since were usin juubidara he'd b exponentially fasta
Whoever said Naruto is 73x faster than Raikage in KCM? What proof is this real?
@@judgemasterneimaz8260 its a calc , if u want da link add me on disc or sumn
@@gtgclans Swagkage debunked that
any new era kage >>> sakura
I mean, I’m not 100% on all of the kage definitely being above Sakura. Sakura could’ve just been busy attending to the weak and wounded
Ya I'd put Gaara and maybe Darui above Sakura. Shikamaru also may have thought Sakura could be the next Hokage and didn't wanna risk her dying in case they failed.
What about edo Madara without 10 tails?
Sealed
@dannysdungareedanceoff8481 with what technique? Gaara's sealing jutsu did f all to Madara.
1:28 rinnegan obito is as strong as edo madara?
stronger imo
@@IamVybez weaker
It matters how you internet that statement
Blind sage Madara>Juubito>Edo Madara>Rinnegan Obito
Was stated in additional source material that blind Madara is the strongest enemy of the shinobi it was bit before he gained 6 path powers.
@@ehudezra4610 dms obito is above blind madara he was blitzing and beating the shi outta kaygua
For the next video can you do how strong is goku because isn’t technically he’s multi galaxy level since his universe contains only 4 galaxies
This is contradicted by the fact that in super it was shown super shenron eclipsing multiple galaxies
Its only said to be 4 galaxies in the dbz movies
You can see more than 4 galaxies in the background of super shenron.
hes multi versal in base right?
@@Ethanrielle nah I don’t think so then he would be stronger than the zenos and grand priece
What gen justu starts with infinite that would make him win instantly
if he can activate it fast enough plus he needs time to activate it
@@IamVybez I don’t know the calculations 😅. Boring versus battles they all start and end with speed blitz one shot.
Madara at full power wouldn’t be a fair fight
they literally gave him full power
90% of the people commenting aren’t watching the video
But like u said he has regen better than tsunade and sakura if they cut him in half he will survive so thhey cant win
They can seal him
The new kage are fodder compared to almost any version of madara
Boruto Era Characters > Fodderpudden Era Characters. Cope.
I did not enjoy this video cuz there is no way the current five Kage have a chance againt madara
I mean the arguments lean heavily toward the new era kage
So is boruto above the new 5 kage as a genin? 😂
Well yeah Kishimoto literally stated this and didn’t want it to feel underwhelming despite this
@@KingBullet123 oh shit, I didn’t know he actually stated this. Where could I find that statement for future reference?
@@KingBullet123 kishimoto never stated that,that’s headcannon
@@courtneylankford7627 He did goober heres the interview 6:28
@@KingBullet123 oh my bad then,this is just so messed up
I highly dislike the power cliffing present in Boruto
Same, but unfortunately it still exists, even Sakura can solo shippuden -kaguya, naruto, sasuke and dms kakashi
@@FallenFrosty no
@@lookeshdas455 aside from the 4 i mentioned she scales way above the rest of shippuden unfortunately, it sucks but the power cliffing is massive
@@FallenFrosty she still gets haxstomped
@@lookeshdas455 no sakura is abt sannin level full power in the war arc and in the last and hidan novels she was above sannin level her base in boruto is easily above the sannin and her byakugo mode would be a 10 times amp in power and speed so how do you think that
Oh wow this dude say sakura compareable to naruto sasuke in strenght i would understand sasuke but naruto
And the writing was bad when she punch kaguya
can"t be real
Darui solos lol
Sakura hits harder than Naruto? Not rocking with that
Bro ik it’s weird but just imagine her thing is literally punching people and she punches harder
In the last era at least
I can see the current Kage heavily pressing Juubidara... but not five of them. Once Madara resorts to Limbo, it's over.
Madara would get wiped
Limbo clones one shot.
Plus he regenerates from any damage.
No
Yes
I dont agree they can't beat six paths madara, you said that this fight would be a blitz but you seem To Forget that Madara has advanced precognition, which allows him To see into the future.
Madara wouldn't get sealed by Gaara, a base Alive Madara reanimated was still able To easily get out of the seal.
Another reason why Madara beats them is because in Storm 4, which is canon, it was shown that Madara make the limbo clones use Perfect susanoo, so what are the kages gonna do against that, and btw Gaara's dans based attacks wont do shit To madara bc in his six paths state + shinju, he can negate all ninjutsus, + Perfect susanoo + all the abilities of the rinnegan + limbo clones + wood style + truth seeking orbs, and last The Mugen Tsukuyomi which is a one shot technique, he clears
"I dont agree they can't beat six paths madara, you said that this fight would be a blitz but you seem To Forget that Madara has advanced precognition, which allows him To see into the future. "
You seem sasuke vs rock lee?
cause thats what gonna happen to him.
"Madara wouldn't get sealed by Gaara, a base Alive Madara reanimated was still able To easily get out of the seal."
So you think gaara didn't get any stronger in like 14 years?
"Another reason why Madara beats them is because in Storm 4, which is canon, it was shown that Madara make the limbo clones use Perfect susanoo, so what are the kages gonna do against that, "
Ignore them because they can't hurt them.
"btw Gaara's dans based attacks wont do shit To madara bc in his six paths state + shinju, he can negate all ninjutsus, + Perfect susanoo + all the abilities of the rinnegan + limbo clones + wood style + truth seeking orbs, and last The Mugen Tsukuyomi which is a one shot technique, he clears"
Daam bro thats crazy, too bad he gets speed blitzed and 1 shotted.
I agree with everything except Storm 4 being canon tbh.
Because by your logic, Itachi and Shisui would have Perfect Susanoo too.
But they don't have that
@@franciscopereira7798 He regenerates.
@@franciscopereira7798 Sasuke vs Rock lee is a bad comparaison considering the fact that sasuke was below Lee in terms of speed.
"So u think that gaara didn't get any stronger in like 14 years" it doesn't even matter bc he's not a jinchuriki anymore + he doesn't have alot in his arsenal To do something Against dual rinnegan rikudo madara.
In my Storm 4, based on what feat you think that Madara's limbo clones that can become Perfect susanoo can't hurt them ? What kind of dumb logic is that ? Are u implying that they can tank attacks from the Perfect susanoo even tho they cant even see them given the fact that they dont have the senjutsu or the sage of six paths chakra to sense the limbo clones or precieve them ?
You saying that Madara gets one shotted by new age kage make you look dumb, they cannot really deal critical damage bc senjutsu is the only counter To Madara, or someone who is as experianced as Guy, which isn't the case for any age kage.
You are ignoring the fact that madara has the truth seeking orbs which can negate durability and regenration, but it also affects your soul as when we saw minato get hit with those, when he left the physical body, his soul still had no arms, the kage are getting bodied
And you lost all credibility when you compared sasuke To Madara
@@BeastXIS that's not the case bc Madara actually showed that he could do the Perfect susanoo in his base form, he even used susanoo while being blind but when it comes To his most powerful form he cant ?
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Short answer the 5 kage will get destroyed if anyone disagrees we can debate
Darui
Base Naruto would neg Kaguya..
The fact it still requires all the kage😂
It actually takes 1 kage plus his shadow
LOL the new kage are NOT stronger than 8 gates lee, base lee definetly, but not the 8 gates lee. You can’t imply they are by shikamru’s statement when going after naruto because lee hasn’t gone 8 gates, just like how no one knew how strong gai’s 8 gate form was before he used it. I mean you tryna say they’re stronger than sage naruto😂😂😂😂😂😂😴
And Madara has a light speed sage attack, none of the kage can dodge or tank that attack, its an auto 1 shot
I didn’t say they were stronger than 8th gate adult lee.
Also light speed attacks aren’t that fast in comparison to the new era kage
Even base adult Naruto without chakra in retsuden was reacting to light speed photons
@@KingBullet123 where?and none of the kage have any lightspeed feats
Madara would negg the kage
What do they do against Limbo? Nothing, Madara beats them and you have once again proven that you have no idea what you talking about
@@walkertalker3232 I did prove that. I proved that the new kage scale to characters who can beat up someone Sasuke believed was so strong he “didn’t believe existed” and can blitz.
This is an in character debate since that’s standard vs battle assumptions (avbs). Regardless of it kage win handedly. Mainly due to speed.
@@KingBullet123 Yeah, you should check what prove really means
@@walkertalker3232 well I think having a preponderance of evidence helps me prove my point mate
@@KingBullet123 And you keep on deleting my critique on you. Someone is a cry baby (you) lol
@@KingBullet123 the kage are not blitzing anything
Madara Can beat all 25 kage in same time
This era kages are the weakest lol
Where’s the proof
@@zedaf872 That's really simple.
Current Orochimaru, Kabuto, Kakashi and Sakura would destroy the 4 kages and 100% of the fans would agree on that.
If you go by the novel as well All you need is Orochimaru Sakura and Kakashi and they smash
@@orochimarupr981 where is the proof that the new era kage are the weakest what you said doesn’t say anything about ot
@@zedaf872 They would get one shot by madara much faster. What proof do you have that they are stronger, dont tell me because they faced Momoshiki and kinshiki for a second that puts them above lmaooo
@@orochimarupr981 I never said they beat juubidara I don’t believe that. it’s the fact you think they’re the weakest set of Kages and you not having proof to back it up.
How IS that even a question
Madara washes them! And in record time too