Frieren: A Lesson in Fantasy Anime
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- I was absolutely blown away by Frieren when I sat down to watch it and I had to share my thoughts about it with everybody! Every episode's been a blast and I can't wait for more. I'd like to continue this discussion with you all so leave your own thoughts on Frieren in the comments!
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I dont think Frieren is overhyped. Its getting the recognition it deserves. For me, Maomao from the Apothecary Diaries is one of the besr written female MCs ive had the pleasure of watching.
That's good to hear! I definitely plan on watching The Apothecary Diaries so it's great to know that the MC is a well written character.
I think it has as good a chance at anime of the year as Frieren@@SableSymphony
Maomao and Frieren are equally good, Maomao is both serious and funny like Frieren.
If you are okay with a terminal cases of "not like other girls" over substance. She is funny but sometimes trys to hard.
I enjoy Kusuriya more. Though it depends where the shows will end for their emotional peaks. I enjoy the competition. But yes Friend is simply getting more coverage.
Frieren aside from it being a good fantasy story, outside the typical one, came out at time when everyone are burned out from isekai stories. Therefore, it's not just a breath of fresh air, but a gentle wind that soothes the soul.
I agree I love isekai but I do hate that it’s pretty overtaken all fantasy anime. We need just as many fantasy series with people who live in a world without isekai or video game stats
You're talking like Frieren is this unknown thing and popularity came from isekai burn out, when the manga, has always been topping the sale charts...
@@Kaimax61most anime watchers dont keep up with manga stuff
One of the big things I give credit for is that its nice to see a fantasy averting medieval stasis, things actually change over the centuries.
Frieren is one of the all-time great manga, and I am continually surprised at how good the anime adaptation of it is. So far. it's been perfect.
Indeed. Found the manga a *WHILE* back and was absolutely blown away when I saw it getting an adaptation. And such a well done one at that. Truly one of the best anime in many years. For me at least.
Frieren is actually pretty damn good
I watched the first few episodes before the anime blew up and I really felt such a breath of fresh air and an old fashion Fantasy take on the world. The world feels so much more alive than most shows and I love it. Not to mention the similarities I can relate to with the main character.
Bro, same.
>stark still has to grow on me.
You just have not seen the drama of a oversized hambuger steak 😢
Damn right. I haven't teared up like that in years!
What makes this show special to me is its extreme care in maintaining your sense of immersion. The characters are nuanced and not a checking a box for anime tropes, while the world isn't static and is shown to change over time according to their own unique customs. There also hasn't been a moment where I was thinking to myself, "I've seen this before", as I do with almost every other anime. Every episode is a treat.
I couldn’t agree more! I feel that rather than being pigeonholed as a “slow” anime, Frieren actually gives the story and characters time to breathe. This makes the action scenes (which are some of the best animated action I’ve watched) have real stakes and weight and the animation absolutely shines! The build up to the fight with Aura, for example, makes the actual denouement (pardon my French😅) all the more devastating. Frieren is a rare thing, and a masterpiece of adaptation that has transcended its source and become something quite unique and beautiful.
I love when I'm able to digest the story, characters, and setting instead of being given a second to breathe. Having well written downtime is something I wish more anime took advantage of. The action scenes essentially the cherry on top and make for a great reward for sitting through "slower" moments of the story
I love the fantasy genre, but somehow it almost never works for me in anime form, because the setting's usually used for self-insert harem power fantasy with lots of "anime bullshit". Frieren stands out in the crowd just by being normal.
I don't mind the self-insert anime bs aspect of fantasy if I'm being completely honest. They have their place but I'd never in a million years put them above something like Frieren.
@@SableSymphonyand that exactly the reason why... harem fan service bull shjt are the worse... if i want that i would rather watching ecchi anime
@@jirou6228most of the isekai I watch either has a monogamous mc or a regular wholesome romance or none at all. Harem kinda ruins it for me because it isn't my cup of tea. But my cup of tea are trashy hot garbage of shoujo and jousei and hot garbage shounen but never isekai harem. And everyone's old timey first time isekai was fushigi yuugi I was basically a walking fetus watching that anime
Excellent review!!! Spot-on comments especially from an expert in Anime fantasy. Frieren IS a story, with fantastic and fascinating characters each with their own goals and agendas. The author, Kanehito Yamada, is exploring many deep and interesting themes, but how he is going to bring this huge ship in for a landing has me worried. His own editor has called him a genius. I am here for the ride.
I wouldn't call myself an expert but I'm glad you think so! Honestly, whatever ends up happening to the story of Frieren, even if it's something bad, I won't regret being here for the ride. It's been an absolute honor watching what we've gotten so far.
The biggest thing with frieren is that the secondary title which can be translated two ways
Beyond journeys end & at the funeral
Which tells you that despite everything continuing Frieren never truly left the funeral
To be the best, you don't do it first, you do it right.
At this point, I can't even see "isekai fantasy" as fantasy. But frieren revived that fantasy feeling you would have expect from the 90s, with the after story flavor twist.
That's just not true. Frieren just does fantasy really well better than most besides mushoku tensei. But there is goblin slayer a far away paladin as well
@@4getmenot182 If mushoku is on the top of your pedestal, then we're from different generations and have different inclinations to our taste on "fantasy".
It doesn't help that my first exposure to mushoku was the webnovel. I had to taste all it's worst flaws raw without the animation quality functioning as protection.
Goblin Slayer is good though. Has the harem debuff, but good.
@@belldrop7365 if you think mt is bad taste in fantasy than you just have questionable taste in the genre in general. It has better world building than most anime period and definitely better character writing. Most other fantasy don't focus on the subject matter mt focuses on and the characters develop in such way thats believable and narratively satisfying.That's why it was critically acclaimed. Also gonlin slayer doesn't have a harem he just has a bunch of girls that like him who he doesn't acknowledge their feelings towards him
@@4getmenot182 I didn't say it's bad, but I don't put it on a pedestal like you.
At least learn decimals because not everyone uses binary on everything.
@@belldrop7365 it's out on a pedestal by me and many others for a reason. It's does things that most anime letalone isekai don't. Also there is a reason it's one of 2 or 3 isekai that transcends the genre. People who don't watch isekai also watch my like rezero.
Honestly it is fitting that we don't really know much about Frierens party memebers, we know as much as she herself knows, and what she regrets, and why she went on her journey to retrace her steps, to get to know her friends after the effect
Personally, for me, it's a more personal version of Kino's journey and Mushishi. Especially with the level of peacefulness all three give.
Instead of the focus of the journey being the places, and it's culture, or the people they meet. It's about the traveling main characters, themselves.
The other two only do something similar at the end of their stories. Which... Makes sense since this is meant to be set AFTER the usual journey.
And it brings this type of story a breath of fresh air Giving such a niche sub genre in fantasy more attention, which makes a long time fan of said sub genre happy.🥰
I haven't watched Kino's Journey or Mushishi yet but they're definitely on my list and I won't be forgetting about them. I'll be sure to watch them soon!
I really the manga and enjoy the adaptation with impatience every week. What I like the most is how the world is refined and how discovering more about it is always linked to the characters journey but also to the themes of the story : humanity and time. It is a lesson in how to write a scenario, honestly. I love all the characters and would adopt the main cast if given the opportunity, but if I have to choose, I think my favorite of all of them is Flamme. She was such an amazing mage whose influence is all over the world and Frieren's life, really an incredible character !
The only things I know about Flamme are whatever the anime has shown so far. From what I've seen so far, I do like her a lot and I hope that we get more info on her later on in the anime.
Frieren is great and it becomes even better if you understand german, because the character names are all in german and describe a part of their personality. For example Lügner, his name means liar and all he does is lie. The same is true for the other characters in the anime.
To your eternity mention
Criminally underrated show, glad more people are bringing it up when talking about Frieren
To Your Eternity is such a great anime. Wish more people knew about it in general
For me ..this is the best anime for year 2023
So sad it will be forgotten like next year
@@SeaCatMeow_ hopefully not .. its popularity is increasing and the rank on My anime list portal is very high .. actually currently it is the highest
There's 118 Chapters for the manga and is ongoing, the story is not just a slow burner, but it's also world building on this manga's universe with human faction and demon species. As it turns out, the heroes' adventure is not over, especially with how magic is near infinite in creativity and that the threat always continue to exists in some form in time and space (literally).
So don't get surprised if they pull a thano's snap one day.
I'm fully expecting something insane to happen at some point in the future. I'd be okay if it was more of the same that's been happening so far too honestly.
@@SableSymphony After the end of this first season I think it's gonna speed up a bit, combat is going to be a bit more common halfway through chapter 50 to 106, then after that it's consistent threats.
A bunch of new mages and characters are introduced, so of course you are gonna get a lot more combat oriented plot with more at stake.
The Northern countries are harsher and much more dangerous. Besides, the Demon King is slain, but the remnants are still a huge threat.
I think the best way to describe Frieren to someone not in the know is that it is a very mid anime worth watching. Let people go into watching it with NO idea what they are getting into other than 'it's about a funny little elf girl who's sad because her friends went away.' Try different hooks that get them into watching it, but definitely under sale it. People who don't really watch anime other than shonen jump are not going to bother until they get out of their comfort zone and branch out.
I agree tbh. Revealing as little detail as possible is the way to go
I dint know anything,found the opening on yt and i said well lets see what the hell is this and i got jaw dropped by its beautyness.
I agree to your eternity, they both are simular and masterpieces.
I absolutely love how they handle world building in Frieren, basically by going the exact same route the hero’s party went we learn about the towns they were in, their people and their hardships and how they were affected by the demon king’s army, all while showing how their lives were AFTER the hero’s party passed through and how the party’s hand helped them (mostly Himmel and Heiter, but there were some mentions about Eisen and very few people still recognize Frieren, usually the ones that were kids back then or the noble ones who learned about the hero’s party deeds).
Also I love how they handle the topic of time passing, how brief human life can be and loss (all through Frieren’s eyes, considering her ridiculously long lifespan, and by “ridiculous” I don’t mean as an insult but rather how in some fantasy worlds elves are basically immortal or can live up to tens of thousands of years)
i think it's safe to say this anime isn't ending anytime soon, the manga is still going strong and still plenty of story to tell. I have loved every minute of this anime as a devoted Manga reader I couldn't be happier of how it ended up being adapted. the manga and anime have been more than a breathe of fresh air when it comes to the genre, I think it reminded everyone why we love the genre in the first place and the anime has been perfect so far.
Talk about a random find. I've watched maybe ten animes from start to finish in my life, but my wife and I just clicked this one because it was on the front page of CrunchyRoll. I called it the sleepy little elf quest, but wow does it grab you. I want more, lots more.
I'm absolutely hoping we get a lot more in the future. Preferably a full adaptation of it. I would love to see Frieren's story to the very end.
I absolutely love To Your Eternity. It doesnt get as much recognition as it should probably due to its character writing being very heavy-handed and the art lacking at times. But Frieren... it has everything going for it without skipping a beat.
Surprised you still not fully into Stark. I think he’s a really well done cowardly powerhouse character. Unlike most series that this dichotomy feels genuine. You can understand why he’s afraid despite his capabilities
My first experience with this series was finding the first 2 volumes at goodwill for $1 each. What a damn good find. Have yet to watch the anime though.
I almost bought volume 1 at Barns & Noble a few months ago but decided against it because I wanted to see what the anime was like first. Honestly, it was a good decision and I plan to start buying volumes as soon as I can.
I find the manga middling, good but not something I gushed about. But the anime is really good. The anime production is top tier, and I don't just mean the sakuga stuff cause as you know, the story doesn't really focus on action.
the fact that Frieren anime is the slow burner does filtered out the real fans and Fomo weebs, this anime is not overrated nor underrated, it's just right.
It's strange that Frieren exists as a manga versus a light novel, perhaps the author intended to keep the lore secret on purpose so they only did the manga. SLOWLY (2020 till now).
As someone who watched and read quite a lot of manga/anime/LN/WN... I like slow paced stories because of the world building, character development, story telling, and so much more...
I agree. I like when something I'm watching or reading gives me an adequate amount of time to fully digest the story and characters. That's definitely the best part of a slower paced story.
I loved your review, nothing more to say, you covered very well all aspects of this JEWEL, thanks for your video, you have a new subscriber.... 👍
Thank you! A new subscriber is always appreciated 🙏
And then you re-watch the first 4 episodes after going through the flashbacks from the OG hero party and Himmel and Heiter's death hit much harder
I'm glad i give it chance it such an amazing story and beautiful animations
Frieren is a Fantasy so grounded its so brilliant.. that is what it makes a deserve to stay number 1 of all time..
I honestly hope it does stay #1 for a very long time. While Frieren isn't my personal #1 anime, I'd like for literally anything at this point to get FMA:B off of that spot so I'll take Frieren being there without complaints.
@@SableSymphonyLOL the FMAB fans on MAL are real sticks in the mud. FMAB is great, but Frieren is just at the very least just as great so far, but imo how subtle and grounded it is make it a hair better for me. I rated both a 10 though tbh. Not to say that they're perfect, but just the closest I've seen and Frieren is ever so slightly closer.
I like the comment about already struggling about the ending of the anime, because it sorta relates to Frieren, right? She saw the end of her companions life bc it was so short, that she avoided knowing them. So it's funny seeing that parallel!
This story takes nothing more than known elements. It just combines them intelligently and it leaves out some commonly overused annoying elements like isekai, game play leveling, in game stat screens etc.
The best choice however is that the main characters aren't run thru the usual "need to get stronger" routine, instead it's focused on each characters development as a person, the emotional strain of ageing, outliving the ones you cherish or dying before them.
And one cannot underestimate the satisfying moment in ep 10 when Frieren for a short moment reveals her immense, almost ridiculous power.
Beyond that satisfaction it really drives home the fact she could easily single-handedly overpower any would-be-evil-demon-king to pop up from the backwoods, she could in fact dominate the world - yet she chooses not to do so....or maybe lacks the motivation to do so.
Great writing, smart characters who seem like real people who are just living and dealing with life as they find it. Frierens' pace in her long years brings about a mature and solid feel to ground out the storyline.
The crisp colors and illustration speak volumes about the directors love for art and detail.
Although I like the smaller elf designs 🥺 everything else speaks of a refreshing hit anime.
I'm in!
The fact that yoasobi wrote the op was a good enough reason in itself for me to watch it, but when I recognized that frieren has twin tales, I didn't think for a second (what can I say, I'm a Miku fan).
What I liked about the anime:
The smooth and pleasant artstyle (plus point that I didn't want to rip my eyes out when I saw the design of the "crowd characters", madhous did a good job with that one).
The fact that it's an exciting slice-of-life, wich needless to say that is rare nowdays.
The music. My personal favorite is that melody when the group is travelling, looking around or doing anything otherwise boring stuff (I don't know the name of that song, please help me out).
The characters etimology. Every main character has german words as names that somewhat reflect thier personality or meanig in the story.
(you said that you can't really relate with stark... His name means "strong" in german. I guess this is his whole personality XD).
We also have:
Frieren-freez
Fern-distant/remote
Himmel-heaven
Eisen-iron
Heiter-bright etc.
The characters evolution. Like when Frieren started to value time after Himmel died. My favorite was that Heiter quiet booze, it warmed my heart a bit.
What I did NOT like:
Every episode ENDS. (but at least with some good music)
Also, if we are at character developement:
(spoiler alert)
Frieren: Aura, k*ll yourself
Aura: *actually does*
Here you go, character developement XD
I started seeing this anime pop up over my feed despite me having never heard of it otherwise. Eventually checking out a brief summary, I got a little spooked.
The premise was eerily similar to an RP character I made a while back. Ageless characters in general have interested me for a long time and I finally get to see a show that actually explores how that would affect someone's behavior, as well as their perception of time. I'm currently at episode 6 and yes, Frieren has been very relatable in spite of my own human lifespan.
Overall, the show has been very enjoyable. I'll finish watching what's currently available... sometime. Hopefully by the next equinox. :P
15 episodes so far and all are an absolute 10/10
please dont remind me of violet evergarden episode 10. Personally my favourite thing about the series is the power system and how it's used. It originally was basically something for the elite and gifted but as time went it got more and more widespread and you get wack specific spells like cleaning a bronze statue or something. The sheer mundanity of some of those spells makes it a very human (or relatable maybe) system that we could associate with real life electric appliances and such.
I revisit ep 10 every once in a while just to get a good sob 🥳
Hello! good VDO. For overhype or not ? I can say this. Since everyone talk about Frieren in Social media and everywhere
Some people is draw to try to watch it.
This is start of bad thing happen. What I found is
- Too slow , it faster but it slow again
-Boring anime everything is too slow.
- Overhype , not fun at all.
- In live chat some one keep said "boring ep they just keep talking"
but mostly people (include me) will reply to them that "It just not anime for you , if you don't like don't watch it" This anime is good , too good. I love it so much. But I think soon we will see some hater since it a lot of hype.
But who care haha.
I agree with everything in your VDO!
casuals think that shonens are the standard. thats the bad thing about anime becoming so mainstream, every clueless birdbrain comes in to ruin it for the rest of us who actually love the art.
People who think it’s to slow have shonen brain rot
slow? after warching frieren, I dropped jjk season 2... now that's slow, no story just chaotic flashy fighting animation that never ends with unnecessary narrator telling about skills that I dont care.. at least frieren in a light episodes the story still progresses, but jjk? blarghh wtf am i watching?
Got to agree with you about jjk. Just watched the latest episode and was left feeling... meh. Think I'm done with it too. I'm actually excited waiting for the next Frieren episode to drop every week.
BTW Frieren is definitely my favorite elf, Fern my favorite girl and Stark is Best Boy... of this season if not the year.
It's always sad to see people brush off amazing storytelling because there isn't something big happening every minute of every episode. They're definitely missing out but what can we do? Those of us that'll stick around for slower-paced storytelling will be rewarded with well animated fight scenes and unreal character development. I love what we've been getting with Frieren so far.
its a damn good show and am glad i found it
The first 4 episodes of Frieren are ABSOLUTE TRESSURE for slice of life/fantasy lovers. They give me Girls' Last Tour and Violet Evergarden vibe. Also speaking of character design, Eisen is peak character design - specifically the flashback shot of him wounded with poison arrows in ep 13. With that being said, I love all of our main cast so far - they're very likable and none of them are annoying for the sake of comedy. I also love how characters like Graf Granat aren't annoyingly stupid - how he (spoilers) recognised it wasn't Frieren that killed the guard. 10/10 anime and manga so far :)
I wish we had more old-style fantasy anime with good animation and storytelling.
Its actually the best anime I’ve seen in years.
I really like Frieren because it's more of just a character journey story which is why I like LOST and Made in Abyss and the Monogatari story. I'm not sure about the second half of this season because the Magic Exam storyline feels more like something out of My Hero Academia and honestly it seems the story should just go, "Oh it's Frieren. She's definitely a First Class Mage. Here's your certificate! Take care now!" But we'll see.
Dumb video idea I'd like to see that just popped in my head in the first minute of the video:
A taxonomy tree/list of (all) isekai and/or fantasy anime.
Not sure how you would categorize them tbh, but seeing the best of each category could be cool, assuming their is enough variety.
I like this idea. Definitely gonna be keeping this in mind
5:44 if you watch those parts wanting to skip or just forgetting then you are just doing what Frieren did before meting Himmel.
I like how freiren has boosted fma's rating by .02 just because the community doesn't wana bash the anime but still wants fma on top
Fern is my fave. She's up to something...
If there's one thing I hate about fantasy settings in anime, 8/10 times it's because the magic system is too video gamey. I really hate seeing a fantasy anime where the character starts pulling out status screen like it's SAO. There's a lot of things that can maintain my suspension of disbelief, but a character suddenly pulling out a stat sheet is where I draw the line.
Elf looks, Deedlit, and Pirotess would have a word with you. Though you are so young you probably never watched Lodoss war.
looks like a show id enjoy but im currently watching jjk and amb so i dont have the sots to watch it weekly
will probably try to binge it once everything is out
I started with isekais, like SAO, log horizon & Overlord. barring the 1st, i enjoy the genre.
This however, is a different beast entirely, a story i havent heard before. After the heros journey. It was that premise which brought me to this show and it made me cry in that 1st episode.
I think it deserves the praise it gets, and will be added to the list of great anime, especially slowpaced, feel good anime (such has Barakamon or Tanaka wants to sleep). There is some action, some excitement, but for the most part, it is a beautiful journey showing the world at peace, following the footsteps of their journey.
I will definitely add this to my binge watch list. And for the eventual season 2, i will hold in trepidation like all s2. Case in point with Goblin Slayer s2, there wasnt really a need to continue that story, and what we have now is im sorry to say, hot garbage.
Rare Barakamon mention!
I love the premise of it being the story after the story. That's what drew me to Frieren when I first heard about the manga months ago. It's safe to say that so far it's been absolutely incredible
@@SableSymphony it is a fantastic show for when you are either feeling down or lethargic.
Its the calm of life outside of the hustle and bustle of the big city.
As for Freiren, the journey is fantastic, each episode listing the year, so we know the passage of time. It reminds me a touch of legend of the galactic heroes, but thats more a historical record or lecture for which we follow along. This however, seems more a recollection of the past as a new story is written
both frieren and violet has the same OST music writer
Evan Call is a great composer and I'm glad that he was chosen to work on Frieren.
The background artist also worked at studio Ghibli
I am not so sure I would call Naruto and One piece "fast paced", they spend like 4 episodes on a single fight which feels incredible slow to me. But yeah, Frieren is one of the best fantasy anime that have been made.
It is a nice change since we see so many bad harem cheat Isekai shows nowadays where protagonist kun gets hit by truck gun, go to a fantasy world where he gets some imba powers and a bunch of girls with little personality throws themselves over him while the protagonists powers means the bad guys can't really threaten him. You can only see so many shows with basically the same story before they becomes a bit boring and predictable.
There are good Isekai stories (and I am not sure if Himmel is an Isekai here, he might very well be since he do tick in the boxes of a hero summoned to beat the demon Lord) but we get more and more bad nowadays so getting a bit regular fantasy is great, particularly with really well written characters and good world building.
Anime elves are often a bit silly, Frieren actually feels like she is ancient even if she have that silly flaw with mimics. So yeah, 5 of 5 from me, great show and best anime I seen in a while (probably since the first season one "One punch man", I really liked that one for some reason, not sure why).
ever wonder if madhouse produced "Saihate no Paladin?"
After Story? Regretting what could have been and mourning a great loss? This has a familiar ring......Clannad anyone?
You got the reference :D
@@SableSymphony 😃Good to hear. Too many people today have not watched what is, imo, the best story, let alone anime, I have ever come across. Many anime have great stories, animation, and deliver on the emotions, but none have ever tied them all together like Clannad. It's secret? The music, it is as much a part of the whole as anything else, and not just an add on or afterthought. Having said that, if you like Frierens personality, you will love Mao Mao in Apothecary Diaries.
I dont think isekais cookie cutter template is the problem. When mushoku tensei came out, it still felt really new and felt like a breath of fresh air despite it pioneering the genre. I think it has everything to do with writing and the animation.
I can forgive mediocre animation, just dont give me random ass pulls and women who whore themselves at the bare minimum piece of attention some loser with no personality gives them. If im gonna watch some mid isekai trash it better be an mc thats comically OP and wholesome. Technically not isekai, but Bofuri is one I rewatch every couple of months. The animation and the story isnt all that, but it's a really fun watch and completely wholesome
you know it's good when tthere's so much contributions daily in the r34 scene.
Lord of the Mysteries Negs
what's the isekai at 8:19 you mentioned? after overlord
Show by Rock. It's well worth a watch and it's one of my favorite anime of all time.
It's a great show!
Execution, yes, I agree that execution is a big driver of the positive reception of the show. I love it myself, and only more so with every new episode. While I have no foreknowledge of the manga for comparison, the whole tone of the show is expertly crafted and conveyed. It has deep, well written characters that ooze with cool subtext you see all the time watching. It's writing that doesn't treat you like an idiot or a toddler. You call it a "slow burner", but I think I disagree with that characterization. Maybe because when I use that term I think of a show that has a lot of boring parts and short blips of interest. If you are only holding up the shonen-esque battles scenes as the "good" parts, then I guess you could say that, but I would still disagree that the rest is bland by comparison. From start to finish, I feel that each episode is interesting, engaging, and we see development. Because the animation is top-shelf, we can discern for ourselves the subtleties of characters expressions and mannerisms without the tropes like excessively switching to chibi character models with exaggerated expressions. The overall sound design is fantastic but I still want to point out that the timing of the musical vignettes are impeccable and add so much to high impact scenes. The SFX are no slouch either, being everything it needs to be, but more refined, for the fantasy setting. The reason we are sitting at a 9+ average rating is because many of us know how rare it is for a show to fire on all cylinders like Frieren does. The last show I can remember to come out of the gate and surprise me like this with this level of execution was the first season of One Punch Man (another Mad House production; back in 2015 I think). Right now my only wish is that this same studio keeps it and finishes the full adaptation, instead of dropping it or farming it out to a different studio.
I agree with everything here! My reason for referring to Frieren as a "slow burner" is just because it is IF you compare it to the popular Shonen Jump anime that carry the medium throughout the west. They're the standard that's been set for what's considered "good" so it made sense in my head at least but I 100% understand where you're coming from. Just trying to relate the script to your more typical anime watcher in hopes of getting them to watch the anime. I'm also hoping that Madhouse continues to adapt Frieren. It'd be a major upset if the quality of the anime dipped because of a change in studio and staff.
Frieren reminded me of Arche of Tale of Phantasia....
I was expecting it to be good since I read the manga
Hey! Danmachi and mushoku are great especially danmachi season 4.
danmachi is garbaaaaaaage, especially the last season
Danmachi season 4 was peak. I'm beyond hype for season 5!
@@gertruidagertruida3920 you can be serious, Sucks To Be You less things make you happy than that me
Twin tails? Do you mean pig tails?
Frieren's ambition is not to improve herself as a mage. She just loves magic. That's why she chases after weird, mostly useless spells.
She doesnt love magic, she loves how magic lets her interact with the people around her
🤔 life after the main campaign is sounds about right for this anime It’s starts off slow and gets interesting once the new apprentices show and they get to the next town
It’s over hyped
But at least it’s entertaining
Ey, I like Frieren and To Your Eternity so maybe I'll watch Violet Evergarden then
It's a wonderful but very saddening experience. Violet Evergarden is definitely one of the best anime ever made
Nah as a fan of the genre of Fantasy, Isekai is nothing but a genre cosplaying as a SUPERIROR genre to gain viewers. Isekai has always been and always will be trash trying to PRETEND to be fantasy. fantasy has always been fantasy and always been excellent.
I wouldn't call any genre superior when they all have their own faults. Isekai is more than capable of compelling storytelling and creating great characters. Sure, it's oversaturated which gives it the illusion of not being great but it isn't hard to pick out ones that are actually good. Isekai like Welcome to Demon School Iruma-kun, Re:Zero, Ascendance of a Bookworm, and Gate are all great examples of isekai being done correctly.
still 100 times more batter than amazons rigs of power.
who feels like a copy past feminist fan fiction that has nothing to do with his source material?
Frieren is good because it is not Isekai.
That is a big part of it.
I would disagree. The only thing separating fantasy from isekai is the extra step of having the main character be transported to a new world. Assuming everything about Frieren from production to the story stays the same if it was an isekai, would this be not nearly as good simply because it would have the isekai label on it? Both isekai and fantasy can be good or bad as well as any other genre of anime. It would be a shame to overlook a great story because of a label it may or may not have.
@SableSymphony
Isekais have a dendancy to treat game mechanics/concepts as being real in-universe.
@Metaphysicist So what if they do? I fail to see how that would be an issue if the story and characters are good. If it's not your preferred method of writers using that to display a character's strength, that's one thing, but to write off a story because of it is something else entirely. I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to watch/read a good story for something as trivial as that but that's just me.
@SableSymphony
The natural of the setting matters.
Because takes stories that where about fantasy worlds and makes them about fantasy games.
Slayers is better comedic fantasy than Konosuba Because of its sincerity
Ich friere grade.
Your voice sounds exactly like someone who would have a furry avatar.
i wouldnt call freiren a masterpiece, but its one of the few decent animes this season. Shield hero is not what it was, but its watchable and Dr.Stone is still great. Faraway paladin this season feels meh. And the rest of animes that are out are COPY-PASTE-DONE, or some school kid animes.
only immature edgelord wannabes hate this series.
Meh. The praise this anime/manga gets is grating. Many of Frieren's fans are annoying as well. It's not even that I entirely hate the anime/manga. Its high points are genuine 10/10's for me. But, there are times when the anime/manga makes me feel disgusted if not pained to the point I'd say it's a 0/10 experience. I despise with a passion the morality the writing tries to present, but more than that, the people who not only try to justify it, but revel in it. It has nothing to do with sexuality mind you like some might assume such a grievance to be about. I don't mind degenerates at all. I don't find sexual desire for characters disgusting. But, what I do find disgusting is those who look for excuses to indulge in vile monstrous behavior and desires while acting like they are morally righteous in doing so. Nothing sickens me more than evil done in the name of false virtue.
Frieren's dynamic with demons facilitates this like crack to drug addicts and everytime I see it I feel genuinely repulsed by it. I haven't been as disgusted with a part of a fanbase since witnessing the takes from rampant Redo of Healer fans who treated Keyaruga as some sort of symbol of moral good and righteousness. While Frieren herself is obviously not as vile as such a person as that, her position is not at all morally respectable to me. I don't believe she herself sees herself as some sort of moralistic angel, but rather someone who acts in what she believes is the best interest of what she cares about, even if that means becoming a monster in some respects. But, her fans will certainly present herself as such, and it's so infuriating, and it makes me very emotionally distant from the character herself since I question the intent of the author their self with the writing at times.
I feel incredibly sympathetic at the dilemma demons find themselves in, being born with the physical restraints forced upon them through their genetics to act in vile ways while having just a morsel of humanity which only has developed in them to be better predators. This leading to various demons having echos of humanistic showings, with some even desperately wanting to be able to coexist with others peacefully, but being unable to do so despite their efforts, and even causing mayhem in their attempts to do so, I find truly tragic and upsetting to see. Frieren's disposition that they must be exterminated and that any attempt at coexistence is negative because the effort to do so has repeatably lead to human deaths is very off-putting to me.
All life has a right to 1. try to survive and 2. fight against their fate and better themselves. Demons have a right to fight for survival just as humans do, even if they are predators to humans. But, far more than that, demons striving to go against their instincts to try to grasp better emotional understanding so that they may coexist in peace is absolutely admirable. It is an exact reflection of the human spirit to defy their fate when they are put in dire straights by the forces that be. Frieren's position that they should forsake 1. and 2. fundamentally disgusts me. Demons may be a different species than humans, but they are sentient life. To me, their extermination is still genocide and not the result I would want. As one form of sentient life to the next, I would far rather desire an effort to be made to save them from what they were born to be. Be it through magic, science, or selective breeding or what not, anything is a more admirable route than genocide in my eyes. There is nothing moral or heroic about Frieren's position in my eyes.
A popular contrast to Frieren's moralistic position that I respect would be Goku's from Dragon Ball Z. Frieza, the main antagonist of the Namek Saga, was in many respects far, far worse than any demon in Frieren, who is single-handedly responsible for more deaths than all of demonkind combined, and it's not even remotely close. And, despite this, despite Frieza murdering his best friend even in front of him, Goku offers Frieza a chance at redemption by showing him mercy even when he didn't deserve it. To me, that's the moralistic position of someone I can respect and see as a true Hero despite Goku not necessarily trying to play the role of Hero in first place. In my eyes, someone doing wrong is not an excuse to become a monster in response and pretend you are righteous in doing so. And yet, clearly, many people are just like that, and this clearly applies to real life too as we have a culture that encourages it, where people will look for 10 year old tweets of a problematic joke some stranger made and use that as justification to wish death on them, dox them, and completely dehumanize them. This anime/manga clearly plays into that toxic mindset and I find that absolutely disgusting.
Now, I do not know if that is the intention of the author, but regardless of if it is or isn't, the result speaks for itself and I genuinely hate when I see it. Thus, my grievance with the anime/manga (of which I am current on both). 10/10 high points, 0/10 low points. At this point, I'm mostly just watching/reading to be current with the lore as to enrich my own fanworks derivative of the material of which I do take great joy in and even share with my significant other for our mutual enjoyment of partaking in them. Needless to say, the anime/manga leaves me with mixed feelings.
Frieren is a slice of life in an fantasy mask. While its very well made its just boring and I completely disagree with its message and themes.
>In a world of anime that's filled with recycled isekai and fantasy stories
we get another generic slop fantasy story (Slopslop no Frieren).
To Your Eternity is grief porn. I honestly don't feel like it's super well written.
Frieren will absolutely not fade into obscurity. I don't know how you would ever come to that prediction. I love the episodes that don't immediately push the story. It feels like a true adventure. The characters are amazingly well written and the script is 10/10.
That prediction comes from the fact that most anime fail to stay relevant regardless of how good they are. They often fade into obscurity in the middle of airing and don't tend to last longer than a couple of episodes at most. Violet Evergarden is something that I would consider to be a masterpiece on par with Frieren but has already been long forgotten.