The operation you've never used!
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2022
- This video answers the question "What is Coordinated Strike in Hearts of Iron 4?"
I cover the basics of the operation and how to set one up.
If you think I missed something I've love to hear about it in the comments.
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Title: The operation you've never used!
Last Video: The most Overpowered operation in HOI4
DLCs used: La Résistance, Man the Guns, Waking the Tiger, Death or Dishonor, Together for Victory, Battle for the Bosporus, No Step Back.
0:00 - Intro
Game: Hearts of Iron 4
Hearts of Iron 4 is a 4X grand strategy video game developed by Paradox Interactive.
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I used it on the USA as Japan once. I killed 2 carriers(literally all of the carriers in the port) in the first strike, damaged and sunk several battleships in the second and third ones, then run away. It was great. For like a year Us navy didn't do anything in the pacific expect submarine operations and convoy escorts. It was pretty much irl pearl harbor but if the carriers were there.
Hmm. Seems similar to a certain operation in ww2 by Japan
Did you use naval bombers or tactical bombers? I imagine naval bombers but their range is so small in the vast pacific that I tend to use tactical bombers.
@@localman9063 I'm assuming he sent his Carrier Naval bombers out because he said he ran away
@@localman9063 I used carrier based naval bomber 2's. I highly recommend using aircraft-carriers not just as a battle vessel, but also as a floating airfield when fighting in the pacific.
@@historicalprespective1876 you hit the jackpot! :D
Using it on the maginot line would be quite unexpected
You'd need a ton of bombers but yea that's one use
@@Pydgin I mean with the german industry i managed to put out 2000 naval bombers to oblitirate the royale navy by 1942
@@Pydgin You could do it easily with decent Fighters and Cas production and a heavy tank focus early on. Add this to the mix and you'd tear through even faster.
guys I hate to break this to you but, ... you can go around the maginot XD
@@ghost28896 We wish only for the French to face distraught as their prided forts are shredded apart and their nation subjugated by superior air and land forces.
It's there for roleplay and simulations of the attack on Pearl Harbor and the start of Operation Barbarossa, both pinpointed surprise attacks.
Posting random facts because I don't have LaR, round 5: The initial plan for the Japanese strike on Pearl -Harbour- Harbor, which I figure this mission is intended to allow for via in-game mechanics, initially called for three waves of aircraft (the third wasn't sent out in the end because the risk was deemed too high and the reward too low) and was largely considered a failure by the Japanese because they ended up destroying too many Battleships and not enough of anything else - which, in hindsight, is probably very accurate.
As a follow up to the first comment. I strongly recomenned everyplayer that has carrier strike groups themselves to use this if they know which port the enemy stores their capital ships. In the strikes we lost like 70 planes but sunk 2 carriers and sunk/damage several battleships. It's really worth the effort.
I realize around 0:25 will be difficult to see on mobile or low res so the damage is
With operation 9.4-10.4
Without operation 1.0-2.2
For the first day and then no difference after that.
So, I did some testing a while back when La Resistance first released. In a game where I setup the entire British Navy in one port and amassed about 3 to 4 thousand naval bombers doing port strikes over the air zone the navy was stationed in.
I did the co-ordinated strike with a maxed out Naval Base strike doctrine and Air CAS doctrine and had the entire fleet sunk.
All of Britain's ships sunk once the co-ordinated strike operation completed. I'm not sure if it is still that effective since the test was ages ago but if it is, then it'd be very powerful but situational to use.
Yes, exactly! For a coordinated strike you have to know where enemy planes or ships are stationed at, otherwise whole operation is pointless.
What air wing size did you have though? As I know it supposed to be around 25-50. Though if all British navy was at one single port, then even 4000 air wing would make the job done. In a real game that just would not work.
I think coordinated strike needs a rework improving the bonifications or expanding the time to a month maybe
I agree i would cut down the bonus a little but expand it to a week. one day just feels finicky.
I think expending the time would make it too op and also pretty unrealistic, but i thing they could expend the missions capabilities to ground troops as well. Imagine it's the operation barbarossa and Germany is using the operation against the USSR. It would be cool if it gave negative buffs to Soviets like; division speed -%70 division attack -%50 division defence -%30 etc.
A month?!
"It has been day 20 since the damn japanese started bombing Pearl Harbor. We still cant fight back, man our guns or fly our fighters, because apparently were are still in shock. God help us."
This would be just ridiculous. 3-day heavy bombing of unprepared airfields and naval bases is already good.
that implies I even know what I'm doing with all the spies stuff besides gathering intel
Not sure if it's still true, but with coordinated strikes you can delcare war despite having a non-agression pact (used it as soviet against japan, got the wargoal from focus tree and was able to declare despite the event non-agression still in place)
I never considered that. Paradox are really bad at missing oversights
Keep making these shorts. They are supremely helpful for new players. And old! 800 hours in I still learn something new from you once in a while.
That said, I use spies for collabs and front line intel, and that’s about it.
I've used it twice. Once as USA vs the Soviet Union in an Operation Unthinkable scenario (dogshit waste of time) and once as Japan against the USA to just fucking brutalize Hawaii because it felt fitting and in that case I did sink a carrier and a bunch of cruisers and destroyers but it was still... I dunno. It was one of the best Pearl Harbor attacks I have managed but it was a lot of hassle for very little pay off and frankly I don't think it would ever work against a player. Like you said, it would only ever be useful against like the Philippines and that is if you don't plan to immediately launch naval invasions because then it just becomes your problem instead.
Honestly i disagree! Alot of player make the one large battlefleet and put them in for example hawaii to wait for the japanese to invade. If you can see the icon for where the fleet is and attack it can be really effective.
@@archiusdornius Alright, lemme rephrase. Any player with a room temperature IQ or higher will only ever allow this to happen to them once.
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I never even realized this was an option
Bro i used this as JP against USA SP, Sunk 4 carriers at once and couple screens in a single strike. The trick is knowing where are the ships are docked and spam air at those region to do naval strike and port bombing, even hold your carriers outside port to do air mission.
hmmm, great for the maginot, enough bombers then day one could erase it, or as japan and usa player has fleet in hawaii, with tac bombers, can both destroy the ships and port. Seems a bit underrated if it can be used effectively
I sometimes use this operation for historical flavour, because it's a common practice in ww2: start of Barbarossa, Pearl Harbour...
Thank you for this information
Using this as a minor vs another one might effective to give you a slight upperhand at the start of the war.
someone finally talked about it
I only use it in RP one of the most memorable one is using it to cripple the US Pacific fleet in a Pearl harbor in Manila or constantly crippling the German war industry for the lolz, otherwise I completely forgot about it.
I once broke trough the Maginot by just bombing it away in a mere day, but I also had a lot of planes to do that
That's very interesting. In the final part, you mentioned the port of Manila and that Japan could use it to strike against it. Also perhaps a better target would be Singapore, as British Malaya is also its own country so you can do an operation there (+ usually British Malaya doesn't have as good counter intel as say Britain/US/Soviets?) and as Singapore port is basically always level 10 at least when war breaks out, that could be a huge supply factor if Japan can take it out instantly. That should be tested!
It could be interesting to strike Singapore that way to maybe deny fleet logistics from non-U.S allies, but keep in mind that the port of Singapore is only good for supply not repairs, since the dockyards used for repairs are drawn from british malaya, and they only have like 1-3 usually.
Would be nice if it also dropped stability and war support
There'd be some use if you targetted supply hubs for strat bombers, maybe even bombing Gibraltar down as a Italy.
As Japan in MP usually You get a wargoal against the usa if they stack their navy somewhere use it for max roleplay
I’ve always used it for role play because it’s like the attack on Pearl Harbor. I don’t know if it works but it seems to allow you to use nukes for that one day even if they have air superiority.
no one goes like "Umm ahh yes I think I shall go with coordinated strike today."
I used it once, but did not know you needed strat bomber or naval bombers to actually make use of it.
Ive found that it allows you to declare war on faction members while having a non aggression pact with another member
i tried out all the operations when la resistance came out, never used any of them since
I've used the Coordinated Strike once as Germany against the USSR. It was a chill no-rushing singleplayer game, so I decided to try it out on the soviet Black Sea fleet. After getting the war goal I've cracked the Soviet codes to spot where the fleet is, then I've put all my naval bombers above Crimea with port strike mission enabled and completed the operation. The black sea fleet didn't end well to put it lightly. Was it totally pointless? Yes, but at least I can say I've tried it 😆
I didnt test this. But if you had strats and where to use cordinated strike on uk even with max AA it would still go througth because cordinated strike ignore interception and AA (in its description at least)
Maybe you could take out their entire industry in a province, or shred a fleet sitting in port.
I'd say it'd be a good one if you could use it in scenarios like a D-Day, where you know you can't take Normandy back so you coordinated strike and bomb the hell outta the ports to slow the advance until you can figure something out?
I think its main utility would be to avoid having the AI gather on their border as they won't get a war goal notification like they would if another country was justifying on them manually or via their focus tree
I'd say it's the in game pearl harbor, if Japan didn't get a special event to mimick pearl harbor which is like 5 times stronger than coordinated strike
This is very good to use for japan player. You can destroy whole enemy carrier fleet (if lucky) at early war
I did it once, but I didn't really know what it was, I just saw bonuses. What I didn't knew was, that you'll declare war on them instantly and I didn't have any Troops at the border
special military operation moment
I've been getting the upgrade thinking it makes the other mission more effective. I've been wasting my time all this time.
If your intel stuff is set up and you dont need it for other things ive found its a decent “might as well” kinda thing. Not worth picking up portable radios though
It's a slept on feature I think... even tho it's a bit of a gamble effectwise. I did, however, manage to destroy 4 American carriers in Pearl Habor as Japan by doing a coordinated strike in that region and parking my fleet there, manually commanding the carrier planes to do naval bombings and port strikes. If it works, it CAN have great effects. Just not guaranteed.
Interesting
they say that it could destroy also pleans on ground not doing any mission
I only use it for roleplay. For example when I Play Japan i use it to attack Pearl harbor
This "coordinated strike" sounds like an odd way to do a "pre-emptive strike",which was what Pearl Harbour and The Six Day War were all about.
It would probably be better if it was multiple regions,with the most damage occurring to the facilities closest to the initial start point of your invasion.
Maybe add being able to destroy aircraft in airfields? Such as them being blown up on the ground, like what happened to the Russian air force during Barbarossa or the American air force in the Philippines, both were caught unprepared and thus lost all control of the air
Only ever done it is as Japan against the US and usually it has mixed results
I have tested it when declaring war on Japan as USA with 10+ carrier stack of naval bombers. Japan is one air zone so a good chance to sink most of their fleet.
One historical use I would think would be to hit soviet airfields with this operation. But as germany you don't really make strategic bombers anyway... and tacs are kinda meh when it comes to strategic bombing. Not to mention that you would have to repair the airfields later on
I never use it exactly for the reasons stated in the video. Like I tried once and it does so little it's just not worth it. Imho this mission should be vastly buffed. The germans did this irl with the soviets to huge effect.
I use it every time VS a naval major to strike their navy at port, it always obliterate it.
I use Coordinated Strike as Japan on Singapur, as it basically carpet bombs every Port and Fort in Singapur, which means the units there have no chance of defending themselves.
I once used it to kill 4 level 3 carriers while playing as Japan against my friend
It's seems like those kinda of stuff that if you can use, why not?
It is a bit tedious but yea
All that set-up for bonuses for 1 day? Nah, I'm good thanks
I've used it twice, both times I didn't read the fine print about it declaring war automatically. Needless to say I never used it again.
I have used it but I assumed you did more damage on the first day
one of things that should be reworked. in real it was effective thing to do. but you should be allowed to do it like 2 times a game max. I think it should be buffed a bit.
Never used it. Why would I want to destroy a port that presumably I will be responsible for repairing lol
i did it in a test game as japan recreating pearl harbor. It was surprisingly effective, killing most of the ships. But its annoying that it only applies to one region. So If the main Fleet isnt where you expect it its kinda wasted.
if you don't wan't to bypass the maginot it is a valid strategy to try and bust all bunkers in the first day using coordinated strike
Bro I'm still lagging behind in my understanding of using spies in hoi4 lmao
Fun fact, i have actually used this once aginst poland and once aginst the ussr
I feel like from these comments I'm getting a wide consensus it's a very niche, but powerful tool when used in certain situations. Ranging from useless, to crippling. Maybe it's one of those where it's really up to the player to decide if they want to use that tactic or not, because that might just be a skill to learn how to use in itself. Or maybe it's just too much for something that might pay off. Either way there seems to be heavy support for it being a nuanced in ability, niche in choice, yet powerful pick.
Please, if anything else can get useless popout, can we get a popout as well to remind us that operation tab even exists??
I've used it in the past as Germany against Poland. To have the most success you have to concentrate your aircraft on the region targe4ted by the strike. With it I was able to almost instantly annihilate Poland's forts around Danzig, and Blow up the entire Polish Navy in 1 day. This can also be useful against the Soviets to knock out the Soviets Airforce for your Barbarossa campaign.
Its a cool way to start a war other than that idk
So... basically the attack on pearl harbor.
I used it as Italy to destroy the naval base on Gibraltar and take it easily.
Can't say that any of the spy stuff besides collab government is worth it
I've tried it once as japan too. I port striked the US fleet and severely damaged it in a single day. Is it that impactful? No. But it's cool. I've been meaning to try it in an MP game just to see how it could affect an unsuspecting player but sadly haven't had the time or the chance to get a proper japan game.
I used it to bomb supply hubs. The Soviet AI ran out of supplies incredibly fast, and I mass-encircled their divisions as Hungary.
Could be interesting to use it to pearl harbor the US fleet
ua-cam.com/video/m8gyUJ27Nig/v-deo.html --> funny pearl harbor strat
In Millenium Dawn I destroyed 2k planes in Florida against USA. In a place they have air superiority and SAMs it was an insane result.
used it once, It killed 2 Aircraft carrier, 4 1936 destroyers and 1 early battleship. Some how the new updated It feels broken.
But to befair I have like 2000 Tactical bombers in one region lol
People use Agancies for something else other than to set up colab governments ?
I thought it was a 3 day period, but it still isn't that good. Perhaps a few extra days to prep but a bonus to ground support missions in the buff period would make it more worthwhile, without making it overpowering.
Even though I have not used it even once, it should be really useful. Like what is the historical example of this? The first day bombings of soviet air fields by Germany. Yes, hoi4 doesn't show how many planes have you destroyed after bombing airfields, but you still should do it. But to execute such a feit destroying ships or airplanes with airfields you need to know where exactly they are based. So you need to use that intelligence for that that you use for that operation.
And as I know, using big air wings for naval base bombing isn't effective. 25-50 air planes at one wing is optimum. Imagine sending 400 air planes at one wing to bomb a naval base, the most won't be able to bomb even, they should come in small groups one after another. The same thing works with naval bombing. If your 100 naval bombers wing detected 5 trade convoys, only ~25 would be able to bomb. I wonder though how the hell it is supposed to work now in BBA, if every wing supposed to be 100 planes. I guess they forgor.
I think if you use it as Japan on Hawaii you'd cripple the US fleet and win the war easily.
Assuming they're station there... but that's kinda the problem you need to find the fleet and it's usually not all in the game place.
@@Pydgin its a joke based on real life japan lol
@@Pydgin that's why you need recon planes / Intel. Recon planes will literally spot them, and high Intel will populate the information when hovering over an enemy port, even telling you exactly which fleets are stationed in a base, if the Intel is high enough
ive done it multiple times but never actually know what it does other than declear war. it just looks cool tho. maybe port strike is good since AI will relocate their ship after getting strike but still, who cares about navy other than rp and pf.
I played as Germany and used it against the UK to get a quick sealion. IIRC i killed like 40 of their subs and didn't damage a SINGLE CAPITAL, CARRIER OR SCREEN SHIP... you can guess what happend to my sealion
Bombing airports in france in competitve games, same on barb
The title is not a clickbait, ive never used this operation!
Because i dont have this dlc
Coordinated strike would only be used to rp pearl harbor
I used it once
Only a single region, only once for declaration, only for strategic bombing and port strikes, but without interference from state AAA? Seems like something minors can abuse in MP when they join the war. Like when Spain joins the Axis, for example using it on the Rock aka Gibraltar?
To use a port strike effectively you'd need to 1)know where the damn navy is parked in the first place; 2)have another allied fleet on patrol in same region to intercept the navy when it tries to leave said port. So it's already questionable value for Axis as they don't have powerful navies except japanese one and are on the different sides of the globe. US can probably use it in conjunction with War Plan [InsertColourHere] to destroy parked navies when joining WWII.
For strategic bombers it all depends on number of bombers. If you have enough to destroy AAA and airfields of said state in one day, maybe it's worth it? But then again, it needs to be a state that would be a major supply bottleneck for the enemy. So capitals then? US bombing Berlin infrastructure, railways and supply hubs while Luftwaffe is still in the English Channel with thousands of B-29?
whats that? it can be eat?
The issue with it is that it requires Civs; civs are precious, why waste my building time to have a better chance at damaging enemy infrastructure and factories for a single day or a better chance to sink a few of their ships? We ought to simply be able to plan the thing for free
Coordinated strike is amazing, but also horrible in some points.
If you get 100% naval intel of another country (or cheat if possible), you will see that ai usually keep ships away and all togheter from the frontline before the war. It's easier for USA do a pearl harbor against japan than japan do against usa. In multiplayer can be another beast, because players usually organize ships earlier.
German to Soviet on Barbarossa, 800Tac bomer at Leningrad, Sink all of the Battleship&heavy cruiser and some Light cruiser Derstory Submarine. LV. 8 costal fort are completely damaged, then my marines take the Leningrad
I'd love to see more stuff like that. Coastal forts are definitely something worth taking out.
Sounds like it could cut a rail line in Africa and cause some bad supply problems like maybe if Alexandrea got bombed or a single airfield or both thing is it seems like more of an axis only thing.
wait, hello?
That means the fort at el alamein can be bombed in one day
One day ☠️
Does Japan get a wargoal against the US?
Having collaboration gov as an option, this makes no sense to choose unless you are role playing
Jokes on you i used it as Portugal like 2 years ago
they should rework this Operation.
used it in a late game invasion of japan as socialist russia in a Kaiserreich game. had like probably helped that i had like 2k tac bombers assigned to port strikes but the Japanese Navy was essentially taken out of the equasion