If Charlie is the most overpowered being in all of creation (and Heaven and Hell)… but her strings are being pulled by someone in the shadows, what does this mean for the future Hazbin Hotel? Can her pure heart override the darker plans of others? Things are about to get very intense!
Alastor is definitely going to take on the role of Charlie's teacher and mentor in Season 2, possibly by making another deal with her of "I'll train and guide you, in exchange for [insert price to pay here]". I'm also 90% sure that Alastor holds a grudge against Lucifer for failing to prepare Charlie for her future role as the Princess of Hell.
There’s a character named Roo, or the root of all evil . People have connected her to eve . I connect her to the cannibal colony through helluva boss cannibal family who name drop her, as well as to allistor seeing as he’s a regular there and Rosie (plant name whose former business partner had their name written in thorns) has never been betrayed by the guy we know is betraying Charlie. It’s possible that eve/roo might be Charlie’s mother. Also, the cannibals are motivated to fight with music, straight from the story book from the first episode. The question is what happened between the first two women?
Fun fact about the Hell's Greatest Dad number: when Lucifer used an Accordion, that's a reference to who Vivziepop wanted to originally voice Lucifer: Weird Al Yankovic.
My headcanon is that the song described events that did indeed happen -and that Adam occasionally trolled the guy with prank calls in which that very song played-
Oh 100%. And because he’s a music guy, Alastor knows the song, and is _very_ loyal Louisianan. Which is why he summons a piano instead of a fiddle for himself. Regardless, I think because of that fiddle, and the song, if taken as canon or implied as much, Alastor… might had let his ego walk him _right_ into an unfinished _deal_ with Lu. Which… honestly that would be entirely in both of their characters to not realize it’s a loose thread hanging out there, until it gets snagged and becomes a problem.
The fact that Charlie is taller than Lucifer(and possibly Lilith too) is a great reference to her being a giant as a result of being the offspring of an angel and technically a human🧍🏼♀️🙅🏼♀️ 🪽 -Adam
She may be taller than both her dad and angelic girlfriend but she's still short compared to everyone else in Hell. The vast majority of sinners tower over Charlie's, nothing to scoff at, 6 foot height.
@@cyberwolf_1013 I heard it was more like 6'6 or Charlie (maybe including her shoes?), which would put Lucifer at around 5'7. But it's easy to get confused because of how _ridiculously_ tall everyone else is (Alastor is like 7ft, Angel is around 9ft).
Even though Alastor pales in ability to the Morningstars, he still gets involved with their goings on. Several schemes are being run throughout the show. Many conflicts are being formulated.
@@brainflash1 That’s good, yet freedom in general could have drawn the two to their meeting point, and for Alastor that came with a stipulation. The lore between Alastor and his mother is awaiting being made clear in the show.
@@brainflash1 There is another thing. His life. There was a rumor Zestial shared about Alastor falling to angels. It could have been hearsay, or perhaps it was true and he did almost die and Lilith saved him by making a deal. Under those conditions he'd probably agree to pretty much anything.
12:55 Charlie's not a Mary Sue for different reasons. Mary Sues are universally loved and written to be perfect. Charlie's unlimited kindness houses her core flaw - her naivete - and most denizens of Hell see her as a joke. She's clearly sheltered, doesn't know when to quit and frequently makes matters worse for her and hers when trying to improve them, though the biggest example(the more frequent Exterminations) have her matter so little that she's merely a convenient scapegoat for a much more serious issue. The only ones who are explicitly shown to like her are: -Her dad -Her girlfriend, the fallen angel she nursed back to health and was literally the first person to show her unconditional kindness -The guy who she gave free housing to and a possible if highly improbably out from the cycle of prostitution, and even he can't help but mock her naivete once in a while -The guy who's heavily implied to have cut a deal to watch over her and clearly has ulterior motives And -White Glove Society type cannibals who like everyone who sings and dances as much as they do I think Charlie's height (6.5ft) could imply she is indeed a Nephilim.
She outright said she's not a direct Mary Sue, but she absolutely has facets of it. Everything you WROTE are facets of Mary Sues. "She's sheltered and so kind and she's super powerful and special, but no! No, not everyone loves her! Just the people of consequence to the story love her. People hate her too, when it's convenient to boost her as being perfect in every other way as a sweet and super powerful but somehow ultra fragile sugar bear." A massive trait to a Mary Sue is that people only love a Mary Sue until she needs to suffer for drama and pity points as a super tortured Sue, or when a Sue's creator has been criticized as having created a Mary Sue, so they need to 'show the haters' that that's not true. Alice from Resident Evil has plenty of people who hate her, but only until she needs to 'suffer', and then Mila's husband tosses in brainwashing or something to force it. That doesn't make her not a Mary Sue, it just makes it bad and defensive writing for a Mary Sue.
Alastor is definitely going to take on the role of Charlie's teacher and mentor in Season 2, possibly by making another deal with her of "I'll train and guide you, in exchange for [insert price to pay here]". I'm also 90% sure that Alastor holds a grudge against Lucifer for failing to prepare Charlie for her future role as the Princess of Hell.
@@Paradox-lily I don't think he cares about stronger... smarter maybe. But I'd say in this case it's because he sees Lucifer as an obstacle to manipulating Charlie.
The idea that Alastor doesn't want Lucifer around because it's what Lilith wants doesn't quite square with how genuien Alastor's smile is when Lucifer and Charlie reconcile. Either Lilith's motivations or Alastor's are being misread here. What could he really be up to?
I don't think Alastor had a preexisting issue with Lucifer that caused him to lash out when they met, per se. He dislikes other men in general - this is a consistent piece of his character, given that he has much better relationships with women (Rosie, Mimzy, Charlie, Niffty, to name a few) than he does with any of the men we've seen him interact with (Husk, Angel Dust, Lucifer, Sir Pentious), Zestial being the one exception I can think of off the top of my head, and even that seemed borne out of wariness than anything else. With other men, he is either grudgingly neutral or downright vicious from the second he meets them, while with women he mostly seems to be either neutral or incredibly gentlemanly unless given significant reason to dislike them (Vaggie being a prime example of this). Regardless of the reason/s behind this, it puts into perspective the larger picture. He seems to like other men, subconsciously or not, to 'know their place' around him and is especially harsh on those who, for whatever reason, are dismissive or rude to him. Therefore, when Lucifer took about two seconds to learn who he was and then mocked him, Alastor happily hit back at him. And of course, there's also the fact that Lucifer taking exception to his continued influence over Charlie would be a *massive* threat to whatever plans he's got brewing in the background. (My personal take is that whether, as hinted in his conversation with Niffty, he's truly grown fond of the Hotel crew/Charlie specifically, he lured her into a 'favor' because Lilith currently owns his soul, and he intends to bargain with her using the fact that he has some level of power over Charlie to do so.) Alastor is definitely nothing if not motivated by self-interest, after all. That doesn't mean he's heartless, though, or that he lacks the capacity to form strong and meaningful emotional connections with others. Hell, Mimzy doesn't treat him with nearly the level of respect he demands from others, and where he'd have torn just about anybody else apart he simply lets her yell at him and even scold him like a child. And he and Rosie basically act like a platonic married couple, for goodness sakes! It makes sense that even he'd be happy for Charlie when she's over the moon to have her bio dad back in her life, whatever his feelings about Lucifer, especially when he does seem to have developed a genuine fondness for her - like a protege or niece.
Honestly i chalk it up to Lucifer being around makes it harder to manipulate Charlie. Cant get her to make deals if the big boss who just so happens to be her father is hovering over her shoulder
@@theeldrichvoid It's so nice to see a take from someone else who picks up on the subtle aspects of Alastor's reactions to others, especially the genuine wariness Zestial caused (which just makes him an even more interesting character than he already is). Agree about his noticeably different responses toward men versus women. It's interesting trying to figure out where the plotting ends & genuine behavior begins. He was definitely happy for Charlie to make up with her Dad, even if Lucifer creates a major obstacle to him being able to manipulate Charlie (especially if Lucifer does now live with them, as it appears may be the case given the new 'apple themed penthouse' atop the new hotel, definitely looks more his style than Charlie's, even if she borrowed it for the battle shield...if not 'live there', then at least visit way more often). Alastor seems to be 'shades of gray' in all aspects. I do wonder if he'll be shocked when they find out about Pentious, seeing how openly unconvinced of the possibility in the pilot, provided that was his honest opinion.
@@KyrieChii That's honestly one of the things I'm looking forward to the most!! I mean seeing everyone else's reaction will be fun too, but Alastor's? I can't waitttt >w
Perhaps Charlie could end up going down the route that Steven did in the Steven Universe Finale where he became the final antagonist. Charlie has a lot of parallels to Steven -Both are ‘heir to thrones’ -Their mother’s were not involved with a portion of their lives -They have a positive view of their mother at the beginning but changed as the show went on (At least with Rose and Lilith might get the same treatment) -Both of them live w/o their dad but are beginning to see them more often as the show goes on -They have defended their home world from an invading force that has some kind of relationship with them and their family -Both of them try to see the good in people to make them change their ways -Both are half breeds between an ‘immortal’ and a ‘mortal’ -Both are considered powerful and high ranking ( Steven has Pink Diamond’s gem while Charlie is the Princess of Hell and is second only to Lucifer) -Most importantly, both of them try to fix other people’s problem’s while neglecting themselves. The last point is what caused Steven to corrupt and become the final antagonist. Perhaps Charlie might end up with a similar fate.
@@dtczyk8976Not to mention her father is LUCIFER a fallen angel himself and her mother the first Human made demon. She is technically still human and still has those genes but was changed to a demon.
Ok but you are soooo right! Charlie is insanely powerful but never uses her obvious status to make other obey or respect her, because as she said that would be so mean. Her battle with Adam was awesome and it open so much questions of how much she's holding back She remaining me to those very important people that actually want to help other and have the money/power to do it, but they're WAY to shelter and a little ignorant about how the world works, how hard living is for others and how awful a person REALLY can be. Sadly in some circumstances if you want other to respect you and believe in what you are doing, you have to show them who is boss not everyone deserves your incondicional kindness, especially in the palce Charlie is in, there must be a balance so people don't treat you like a carpet. I'm a little afraid of the deal she made with Alastor, is WAY to vague, he can basically ask her anything! And Alastor ohhhh he's really a good representation of a demon, like he knew how to kill angels months before extermination day but choose just the right moment to get what he wants.
I think it's both a testament to Alastor's manipulative nature but also his lack of power compared to Charlie and Lucifer. @@EyreAffair Alastor's biggest ability is his resourcefulness and knack for reading people to create psychological leverage. But when physically overpowered, he can be easily yeeted, which makes him a funny character. His biggest weakness is his pride and need to be in control or avoid being controlled.
During her battle with Adam, I like to think that she was holding back BECAUSE she is very powerful but lacks the training and discipline to properly use them. In her mind, if she uses all her power she might loose control and end up hurting her friends. Charlie not having the training is backed up with the fact that her dad was distant for awhile until the end of s1. Hopefully she can get trained by her dad in the s2
Regarding Lilith. I think Viv the creator of the show is deliberately trying to create a sense of uncertainty about Lilith. In things she shows about her she presents her in ominous tones. Or doing seemingly cruel actions. I think this is a deliberate misdirect and it is my contention that Lilith has always been on Charlie's side and is still probably in love with Lucifer. Let me explain. So the scene in the flashback where Lilith takes Charlie away from Lucifer. Keep in mind Lucifer is in the depths of depression. His faith in humanity has been smashed and his dreams have all turned to ash. These are not good topics for him. Charlie knows about his dreams but it is likely she heard them first from Lilith. And when he is able to see her she probably wants to hear more about his past and his dreams. Which because he does love her he cannot help but tell her about them. But this will cause him to be even further crushed by his feelings of failure. Thus Lilith would limit the time Charlie could spend with him out of mercy. It was not her leaving. But her showing compassion to her husband. As to what she is doing in Heaven.... first of all lets see her through Charlie's eyes. Charlie claims she is doing the Hotel based on her mother's previous actions. Her father has no faith in humanity. They are a lost cause to him. But Lilith was trying to rally the sinners of Hell. But I suspect she was opposed by the more predatory Overlords and Heaven on principle. And because Lucifer could not be drawn into doing anything for the sinners she needed an ally. As her powers seem to be based around singing and manipulating minds she needed muscle to go against the entrenched Overlords. Thus she snagged Alastor when he arrived in Hell. He probably had a penchant for killing uncivil people so when she offered him power to go after the biggest uncivil Overlords he gave up his soul for it. And he cleared out most of the big players in the Overlords. But The Vees rose quickly to take their place. And when Alastor came for Vox he was fought to a standstill. Forced to retreat to lick his wounds Lilith found herself uncovered. It was then that Heaven sent Adam to confront her. Heaven wanted her shut down. They didn't care how. But Adam had his own agenda. Eve had been missing ever since she died (probably in Hell due to eating the Apple). And he was still pissed about what happened when Lilith turned her back on him. So he demanded that Lilith join him in Heaven or he and his Army would come for young Charlie. Cornered Lilith agreed. Lucifer was probably part of the deal as well further crushing him. And the deal was struck that the exterminators would not target Charlie or any of the Hellborn. Then when Adam dies Lute goes back to Heaven and tells Lilith that he is gone and the deal is over. And she tells her that Heaven now sees Charlie as a threat and they are going to come after her if Lilith does not go back down there and get her unders control.
I always felt Charlie had lots of potential and basically having it confirmed by Alastor multiple times outright saying hes going to use her to ride to the top. Yea , I think next season Charlie is going to recognise one of the oldest facts To be neutral , to be peaceful you need to be heavily armed , You need to be able to defend that peace. and so Alastor is going to try and train her (What Charlie wants) and while doing so, Mold her (What Charlie does not know)
I agree, Charlie must be pretty Op, but she must not even know about these said powers let alone how to use them. But, do you remember in Helluva Boss when Stollus sometimes turns into that giant black and red Griffin-like creature? Maybe Charlie may have a similar form, but one that is much bigger, stronger, powerful and many other things. Tho, I think Charlie might actually snap at some point in season 2, precisely when she finds out Lilith just might have a part to play in the extermination- I agree with the vid on that.
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 True, but it seems as Charlie only understands the bare basics of her abilities and prob doesn’t know how to control the more powerful ones. She might not hurt her friends, but might attack Lilith.
Charlie is a Nephelium between one of the first humans and according to the bible Lucifer the seraphim, and seeing that Nephelium's are stronger than their parent angle when they unlock their powers, then Charlie should be stronger than literally everyone we have seen in the show so far.
I’d like to see that confirmed but I doubt it since on the hierarchy Lucifer is the highest and seems to have far more abilities than Charlie does. But of course we haven’t seen all her power yet.
I also believe that she's powerful, but I really don't like how she thinks it's kind not to use her power. She enables so much harm to happen to some people because she's afraid to be mean to the perpetrators. Like being afraid to even talk to Valentino, that was such a joke. Her duty as royalty should be to keep the overlords in check and not let them abuse the souls they own. She needs to learn that leaving evildoers alone is being an enabler, and that's far from being kind.
My personal theory? Charlie's purpose is going to basically be to rip the whole system apart - heaven, hell, the lot of it, with different folks pushing her to do it in different ways for different ends. Being he child of Lucifer makes her, by some traditions, the anti-christ. Consider: the successful redemption of Sir Pentious, an act that just entirely bypassed the angels, did a lot more than break the justification for the exterminations, it breaks the most fundamental assumptions that the folks in charge have had over what heaven and hell are and how they work, or are supposed to work. The most fundamental idea: that there's good and evil, they're absolute, you're either one or the other with a perfectly clear distinction just went right out the window. The entire foundation of heaven's assumption of absolute righteousness just got tossed out the window. Heaven's claim to perfection just evaporated. And she threatens a large part of the hierarchy of Hell too. Some will be fine with change, but many of the infernal powers are very invested in keeping their peons in place. The more overtly control-oriented ones are going to be /pissed/ if their peons suddenly go "hold on, if I change my ways, I can escape this asshole?" Charie's simple vision has shattered the balance, and things are going to go totally sideways.
Adam is responsible for redemption, not Charlie. He looks at Charlie and Lucifer as the tools for sacrifice. Since God will only redeem Sinners if their payments in sin are paid in full, under a sinless human lamb.
That is most likely what is going to happen, and added to the fact that there does not seem to be a christ figure in the show's universe, gives the space for charlie to play that role, but inversed, as anti-christ
one thing that is kinda not mentioned is the character Roo or Root of all evil, who I believe to be Eve. Roo is likely the one who hold's Alastor's soul and I think that Roo is trying to use him against Lilith and Lucifer since they "tricked" her into eating the fruit of knowledge.
I wonder if Charlie was able to summon a trident made of Angelic Steel. She'd still be wounding the angels with their own steel still, but she'd *also* be the only character we know of in Hell to straight up make angelic steel and not just borrow/repurpose it.
“Not quite a Mary Sue, but definitely a Pollyanna” Please, Pollyanna was my idol as a child and my friends say I’m the most like Charlie 😭 I just feel like the world is a cruel place, it doesn’t need another cruel person.
I mean we hundred percent know that Alistar is under someone else’s leash right now, because he literally says it at the end. But what I wanna know is how did Husk figure that out
Charlie's Canon age is 200 years. #Theory Charlie wasn't first children of Lilith and Lucifer but they all born death. @ LadySygerrik Some stories of Lilith have her cursed with the inability to have children, with all of hers being either born dead or dying shortly after being born. It could be Charlie isn't their first child, just the first one to survive. @Valentino simp If we learned anything from Helluva Boss, it's that Viv love morbid backstories soooo
Wow I had NOT connected that bit of Lilith mythology to the plot of the show, that makes so much sense and retroactively makes the show better to me. It might be that Alastor's reaction to Lucifer appearing had to do with a connection with Lilith, but I read that as "Alastor is pissed off and threatened because Daddy showing up and throwing his power in behind Charlie might screw up Alastor's plans to manipulate her / get her into making a deal with him / use her in some way to wriggle out of his contract."
This is definitely an interesting idea. I definitely believe Charlie has tons of potential to grow into the most being the universe has ever seen, but she constantly holds herself back without even knowing it like Superman before he removed his mental blocks. I wonder if she’ll get her wings possibly unlocking the ability to break soul deals to allow her to free her friends from the things which bind them. And all this with Alastor pulling the strings behind the scenes to gain control over Charlie’s new power
I mean there is like no other way for a deal to break unless maybe the sinners who own the souls dies, or the victim gets redemption possibly? She would probably have to learn how to break a deal.
I know most hazbin theorists just connect the dots and say "Alastor probably has a deal with Lilith" like many others have done before them. But did yall forget Valentino say something like "Oh, he[Alastor] owes us so much more than that[cash]" to Vox? Like I know it's only one line by val in a random conversation but I think it could reference Alastor owing his soul through a contract in some way (contracts between skilled overlords are probably a bit more complex than normal ones and as we know a deal does not have to include one's own soul. Excuse my poor English I'm not that good at it
I got a theory what will happen. Alastor is probably going to ask for Charlie to free him from his strings and he will bring Hell into Chaos. I think somehow they are going to get through to Alastor and make him want to redeem himself by being a resident of the Hazbin Hotel.
That was, honestly, more than I wanted to know about Charlie, but worth it for the interesting lore. I hope they are willing to crack her character open more. Right now she is so nice she's boring as hell as a character. The questions and changes lie from the beginning in Alastor, Adam, and Sir Pentious, so they're the only ones that interest me right now. But hopefully more will join that list next season. I have hopes for Lilith's arrival on the scene.
Funny thing about the story of Prometheus. Human originally had fire when they were originally made because Prometheus gave every other survival adaptation to every animal except intelligence so Prometheus was allowed to give humans intelligence and fire At that time Zeus demanded the best food for their burned offerings which feeds Hestia's scared flame because that flame is linked to all mortal fires and of Hestia's hearth goes out so do all fires on earth (or at least ancient Greece) And Prometheus tricked Zeus into choosing the fat and bones because when those were placed in a plate carefully it looked better then the meat you normally would eat. Zeus was livid and took all the flames (so he stole from Hestia basically who didn't care about the quality of offering so long as it was enough) Then yeah Prometheus stole the fire back and the rest is much better documented until Heracles breaks him free
I love seeing people pick apart a story but dang your really did your research. Add to that the soothing voice and cute animation, this vid is top tier. I actually watched the whole thing. Great job
Oh god. Imagine if the final season of Hazbin Hotel sees Charlie realize her destiny and turns into a being that's more powerful than Heaven and Hell combined. She might restart time and creation so she can make a new reality where everyone is more kind to each other and the sinners don't become demons when they end up in hell.
@@jessecrafts2630 "Alastor! What does Scouter say about her power level?!?" "Angel, it's OVER 666 THOUSAND!!!" "WHAT?!? 666 THOUSAND?!? THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN BE RIGHT!!!"
Paradise Lost is the Fifty Shades of Gray to the Bible's Twilight Saga. And I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad Vivzee didn't use that as Lucifer's origin story.
Its head canon that alastor hates Lucifer because he insulted his decoration skills (the bar) and didn’t know who he was. I still think Lilith has alastor soul. Cause of the way he protects the hotel. I think she told him to help her with her dream
I've always wondered why Lilith would make a deal with Alastor to watch over Charlie, cause it defenately doesn't feel like he's protecting her, but you just made a very compelling case for a very good and well researched reason that fits how Vivzie might've written that plot point. I can see this all happening super easily.
Awesome video as always. Given how Charlie is essentially a nephilim, it's possible there might be others like her in the story. My current tinfoil idea is that Alastor is one himself given how powerful he was when he first entered hell.
My bet is Alastor's power comes from his skills at manipulation, through his deals specifically. A bit of a classic demon thing gaining power that way.
A human seraphim angel hybrid was always my thought of what Charlie is Because the natives of the underworld are said to not have souls but Charlie does Charlie herself and Alastor confirmed this when they spoke of making a deal.
abitfrank being a hazbin fan makes me so happy. i wonder if she has been a fan for the 5 years prior. i had a conniption when i found out it was coming out. i am not disappointed. im so happy.
The theory about Alastor working for Lilith is pretty popular in the fandom and I can see why. It does make some sense. But we'll wait and see how canon it is (in a few years).
Wait, if both were created equal, what if Adam did nothing wrong and Lilith was the one who started the argument between them ? After all they were created as the same beings, perfectly fit for eachother. So what if both were so pridefull that it was Lilith that turned the Adam off ? After all, so far all we know about the lore is from the Lilith's perspective, so she can not be a trusted source.
Hi. I was working with a Sumerologist a while back and the topic of Lilith arose. You might be interested in his explanation: "In Sumerian, "lil" is a type of ghost, the spirit of an unburied deceased. In Akkadian it's lilu, feminine lilitu. In addition there's the "girl of lil" (sum. kiskil lila, akk. ardat-lili), which is that one of the epic. Beside that, they are mainly known from ritual texts dealing with different demons." They're sort of restless ghosts that haunt the wild abandoned places and feed off others. I guess a bit like the hungry ghosts of many fables around the world. Apparently Gilgamesh himself is listed as 'the son of a lil-demon' in the Sumerian King List, though not in other sources.
gz you recived my like in the first 5 min and you even managed to get me emotional while just beaing on the side toppic .... i concidder you a good video maker
Charlie's pride is the real threat if her dream comes true about redeming the souls in hell then the equilibrium is broken that means chaos in the mortal realm and in heaven since justice will not matter anymore As adam said , "fair is fair an eye for eye" and "a man only lives once" Extermination is no a social issue its about preventing humanity's most ancient and destructive evils from overruning the afterlife Literal freaking demons !!
@@sawney_bean yes did you even watch the show? justice has never mattered since people could get into heaven without even knowing why, and exterminating human souls does nothing to destroy the evils they were tempted by
Except justice already doesn't matter in the Hazbin Hotel universe that's the problem. Do you not understand that redeeming means them becoming better people than they once were? How the hell would people becoming better do what you're saying? We can also see from looking at Adam who you're quoting here, was not in fact a good person despite being in heaven. Why does an asshole like Adam get to be in heaven while someone like Pentious who's genuinely sweet was in hell? System is broken, that's the point.
I love Hazbin more than Helluva. Probably cause Hazbin is kinda ‘Lighter’ Than Helluva, Cause Hazbin focuses on Redemption and Heaven and Hell. More than Earth. 0:53 Lucifer is played by Jermey Jordan who Voiced Varian in Rapunzel’s tangled Adventures.
I have a subscription to Nebula this month. So I opened your link. Thank you for covering Hazbin Hotel, I'm a big fan of the series and enjoyed your videos for years. It's nice to see two things I enjoy come together so nicely. You have some intriguing theories and your videos always leave me wanting more.
For those that don’t know Charlie is nephalem A nephalem is a Angel/Demon Hybrid This creature appears in various forms of media, and has been described as the offspring of both an angel and a demon, but they can also be an angel/demon that possesses demonic/angelic powers. However, users of this power will have the potential to become more powerful than either side. This is due to the fact that said spirit would be neutral and possess power from the forces of both light and darkness. These beings are based on the nephilim, the hybrid offspring of an angel and a human, with the only difference being that both parents are immortal spirits. (Note: However, if the user who actually obtains this power is human, or alternatively a nephalem mates with a human, they will become/technically have a born child that would be just like the "nephilim". In fact they would be an angel/demon/human hybrid.) In terms of Moral alignment, nephalems are mainly neutral, some others may also be considered wild cards, going to the side of good, evil or anywhere in between. The same can also be said for the personality of said being. As for appearances, the wielders form can have unique features from both sides of their heritage such as small horns and/or a halo, some having eyeballs that are from an angel and a demon, sometimes having both a demonic and angelic wing on either side of their backs, and a supernatural, glowing aura that displays their divine status. At least in terms of deviating depictions, nephalems could be the embodiment of chaos, where they basically tend to value freedom over order. In another perspective, since they are hybrids of demons and angels, they can embody both order and chaos, which is when they tend to balance both chaos and order to make the rest of existence more compromising and pleasant, as well as for the sake of creating true harmony. This sort of depiction of them are also responsible for keeping both afterlife planes in a state of balance, namely both Hell and Heaven.
Didn’t even think about when Charlie created her trident I remember catching Adam’s weapon and her using a shield but her creating a trident is on my radar now
I'm just saying, whenever "Lilith" is shown in flashbacks/ at the end, she has a coloured outline (like an angel) not a solid black outline (like a devil)
This video was one hundred times better than for some reason I expected that it was going to be. It was entertaining listening to somebody illuminate some more of the source material inspiration for a change. Hazbin, resonates in a way that only fables can with itself having drawn of that very same Well and seemingly this gets wildly overlooked! Thanks, this was fun! :3
i dont know if you have the texts or can find them but i really recommend reading Lilith journal. i heard it was removed from the sumarian texts, she talks about alot of these instances from her pov and its so eye opening.
Interestingly enough, in original Christian mythology, Lucifer was never involved with eden outside of being jealous of the humans and thus rebelling. The apple? That was a snake which had legs in eden. The punishment for the snake was to lose the legs. Another interesting bit is that "satan" isn't a single entity. It's a description of sorts meaning something of the lines of "accuser". Then there's the devil which I'm not even sure if that entity is ever even mentioned in the original books at all. Ultimately, thinking that the devil/satan/lucifer is the actual big bad in the bible, let alone the same being, isn't even correct. If anything the only somewhat reoccurring "big bad" in the bible is the second leviathan. Before the creation of the world there were the two leviathans of which god slew one before beginning creation and imprisoned the other. The leviathan is also referred to as a dragon and at the time of the Armageddon the dragon returns together with the beast which is a distinctly different creature too.
As a Christian myself, Satan is only ever mentioned in the Bible as being overthrown by Jesus and God. As far as I know, most Christians don’t even consider the book that talks about Satan having been a fallen angel as part of the Bible. We call it Christian inspired mythology, and at least in the Lutheran branch it’s not considered to be a thing that really happened.
Alastor doesn't seem to be on Lillith's leash. He didn't show up when Charlie called on Lillith he was watching her from a TV in the audience and took interest in her. He walked there and happened to show up at the same time.
This video is how I learned the Live twins monster archetype in yugioh's names are based on friggin gilgamesh and lillith 😂 I was like wait why does lil-la sound familiar
I love that Lucifer's backstory can be summarized as "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." He meant well but what he did literally created hell!
This is unrelated but I love this episode too because of the visuals, as an aquarium girlie, seeing the Neon Tetras in his aquarium and the large plants in the windows are something I always look forward to when I see this episode!
Lillith, as the first wife of Adam, DOES. NOT. EXIST. The whole "We should be equal, I won't be subservient to you" part is moot when you realize that originally, Adam and Eve were equals. It was only after they sinned that God said that a woman would be subservient to her husband. Also, an entirely different first woman would be pretty important, and not something God or Moses would just, leave out.
@@shadenox8164 I'm telling you why the source material that this person was derived from disproves their existance. It's not my version, it's what the BIBLE SAID.
This was a surprise. Have been binging watching it since the pilot episode. Can’t wait for season two. My favorite character is Alastor and Charlie. Really love the songs. Mine is hell’s greatest dad. And loser. Really like that deep lore of Hebrew mythology and history. Amazing video and the story telling of this religion. But I’m definitely curious who’s going to voice Lilith in season two.
I believe some links would put Lilith as the first "hellborn," which may be a possibility as its known sinners aren't able to breed. Although we might never be told the timeline on that matter.
Lucifer, High Seraphim and first primordial demon, Lilith primordial female human and second demon (not sure about Eve though likely she went with Adam to heaven along with her family aside from one) FYI: Cain, in my theory became the third demon in Hell and the sin of wraith Satan SO YEAH Chairle is a hybrid of a pure-blood demon with an angelic soul,, a sort of mesh between cambion and nephilim
When I watched Hazbin, I couldn't help but wonder how much of Lucifer's father anxiety is based on himself and how much was more due to Charlie's mother...or perhaps his own "daddy issues". I'm really looking forward to seeing more of their story and seeing what else we learn about all of the characters, especially the back stories of Charlie's parents and Alastor.
One thing that I found interesting is when Lucifer showed up to fight Adam in the finale. He didn't appear until AFTER Charlie was attacked by Adam. Adam had mentioned in "Hell is Forever" that the Hellborn are safe from the exterminations, so what if that was part of Lilith's deal with Adam? I also really want to know when the exterminations started. Were they started within Charlie's lifetime? (and exactly how old is she???? ) Were the exterminations a direct reaction to whatever Lucifer tried first? Season two is going to have some major questions to answer, I can't wait.
@@shadenox8164 Source?? I'm not doubting you, I just want to know where you found that. There has been so many interviews, I really don't know where to start digging, so that would be a great starting point I think.
While interesting, lilith is not actually in the bible. She was in some side writing that includes the mythology of things like the jewish golem. None of which is considered part of the religion. It is like accepting a fan fict of a character as the canon work. Also a key aspect to said mythology is that she murdered her child with Adam.
Saiyan hybrids I don't believe are stronger than pure saiyans. Stronger? Eh. Greater potential and greater ease of accessing power? Yes. It doesn't seem like Lucifer cannot see Charlie on Lillith's terms more so he's looking at the photo to remember the good times because he's afraid of disappointing her in fear of thinking he's a bad father.
Gohan is also kind of an anomaly. Despite Goten and Trunks liking training and fighting they aren't actually on par with their fathers, while Gohan could easily if he applied himself to it with the same dedication. But it's also just not something he enjoys, so eh.
I can’t wait till Abitfrank gets into Studio Ghibli films. You’re my favorites analyst! You get so in depth into theories, research, lore, etc. Please watch Spirited Away! I have so many questions!
If Charlie is the most overpowered being in all of creation (and Heaven and Hell)… but her strings are being pulled by someone in the shadows, what does this mean for the future Hazbin Hotel? Can her pure heart override the darker plans of others? Things are about to get very intense!
Maybe this is the real reason Alastor has been helping her out.
Awww Look At That Cute and Pretty Face Of Demon Bean, At Least We Got Alastor, Hahaha 😅 Hi Abitfrank,👋
Alastor is definitely going to take on the role of Charlie's teacher and mentor in Season 2, possibly by making another deal with her of "I'll train and guide you, in exchange for [insert price to pay here]". I'm also 90% sure that Alastor holds a grudge against Lucifer for failing to prepare Charlie for her future role as the Princess of Hell.
There’s a character named Roo, or the root of all evil . People have connected her to eve . I connect her to the cannibal colony through helluva boss cannibal family who name drop her, as well as to allistor seeing as he’s a regular there and Rosie (plant name whose former business partner had their name written in thorns) has never been betrayed by the guy we know is betraying Charlie. It’s possible that eve/roo might be Charlie’s mother. Also, the cannibals are motivated to fight with music, straight from the story book from the first episode. The question is what happened between the first two women?
A film theory
Fun fact about the Hell's Greatest Dad number: when Lucifer used an Accordion, that's a reference to who Vivziepop wanted to originally voice Lucifer: Weird Al Yankovic.
I would have paid instantly for Amazon Prime.
oh my god imagine?! but Jeremy Jordan killed it as lucifer
damn they wanted pinkie pie's husband to be lucifer?!
that is cool
Now I want him to do a cover/parody of Hell’s Greatest Dad
6:04 That one reference made me have a headcannon that Lucifer went to Georgia to give Fiddle lessons.
My headcanon is that the song described events that did indeed happen -and that Adam occasionally trolled the guy with prank calls in which that very song played-
Oh 100%. And because he’s a music guy, Alastor knows the song, and is _very_ loyal Louisianan. Which is why he summons a piano instead of a fiddle for himself. Regardless, I think because of that fiddle, and the song, if taken as canon or implied as much, Alastor… might had let his ego walk him _right_ into an unfinished _deal_ with Lu. Which… honestly that would be entirely in both of their characters to not realize it’s a loose thread hanging out there, until it gets snagged and becomes a problem.
The fact that Charlie is taller than Lucifer(and possibly Lilith too) is a great reference to her being a giant as a result of being the offspring of an angel and technically a human🧍🏼♀️🙅🏼♀️ 🪽
-Adam
Nephilim
She may be taller than both her dad and angelic girlfriend but she's still short compared to everyone else in Hell. The vast majority of sinners tower over Charlie's, nothing to scoff at, 6 foot height.
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oh yea ☠️ cause she’s a nephilim kind unholy offspring of the fallen angels and human woman
@@cyberwolf_1013 I heard it was more like 6'6 or Charlie (maybe including her shoes?), which would put Lucifer at around 5'7. But it's easy to get confused because of how _ridiculously_ tall everyone else is (Alastor is like 7ft, Angel is around 9ft).
Even though Alastor pales in ability to the Morningstars, he still gets involved with their goings on.
Several schemes are being run throughout the show. Many conflicts are being formulated.
I can think of only one reason Alastor would make a deal with Lilith: A chance to see his mother again.
@@brainflash1 That’s good, yet freedom in general could have drawn the two to their meeting point, and for Alastor that came with a stipulation. The lore between Alastor and his mother is awaiting being made clear in the show.
@@brainflash1 There is another thing. His life. There was a rumor Zestial shared about Alastor falling to angels. It could have been hearsay, or perhaps it was true and he did almost die and Lilith saved him by making a deal. Under those conditions he'd probably agree to pretty much anything.
12:55 Charlie's not a Mary Sue for different reasons. Mary Sues are universally loved and written to be perfect. Charlie's unlimited kindness houses her core flaw - her naivete - and most denizens of Hell see her as a joke. She's clearly sheltered, doesn't know when to quit and frequently makes matters worse for her and hers when trying to improve them, though the biggest example(the more frequent Exterminations) have her matter so little that she's merely a convenient scapegoat for a much more serious issue. The only ones who are explicitly shown to like her are:
-Her dad
-Her girlfriend, the fallen angel she nursed back to health and was literally the first person to show her unconditional kindness
-The guy who she gave free housing to and a possible if highly improbably out from the cycle of prostitution, and even he can't help but mock her naivete once in a while
-The guy who's heavily implied to have cut a deal to watch over her and clearly has ulterior motives
And
-White Glove Society type cannibals who like everyone who sings and dances as much as they do
I think Charlie's height (6.5ft) could imply she is indeed a Nephilim.
She outright said she's not a direct Mary Sue, but she absolutely has facets of it. Everything you WROTE are facets of Mary Sues. "She's sheltered and so kind and she's super powerful and special, but no! No, not everyone loves her! Just the people of consequence to the story love her. People hate her too, when it's convenient to boost her as being perfect in every other way as a sweet and super powerful but somehow ultra fragile sugar bear."
A massive trait to a Mary Sue is that people only love a Mary Sue until she needs to suffer for drama and pity points as a super tortured Sue, or when a Sue's creator has been criticized as having created a Mary Sue, so they need to 'show the haters' that that's not true.
Alice from Resident Evil has plenty of people who hate her, but only until she needs to 'suffer', and then Mila's husband tosses in brainwashing or something to force it. That doesn't make her not a Mary Sue, it just makes it bad and defensive writing for a Mary Sue.
Alastor has been claimed to be a Mary Sue so they made him lose against Adam to avoid those allegations
Alastor is definitely going to take on the role of Charlie's teacher and mentor in Season 2, possibly by making another deal with her of "I'll train and guide you, in exchange for [insert price to pay here]". I'm also 90% sure that Alastor holds a grudge against Lucifer for failing to prepare Charlie for her future role as the Princess of Hell.
Nah, its because he wants to be the only demon with a stick.
So much for Charlie being smart enough to avoid making deals with him.
@@lockskelington314or he ain’t used to having someone much stronger than him in the hotel
Pretty confident Alastor knows Charlie is stronger
@@Paradox-lily I don't think he cares about stronger... smarter maybe.
But I'd say in this case it's because he sees Lucifer as an obstacle to manipulating Charlie.
Let's be real; Lucifer was kicked out of heaven after creating 666th species of duck.
Yes
The idea that Alastor doesn't want Lucifer around because it's what Lilith wants doesn't quite square with how genuien Alastor's smile is when Lucifer and Charlie reconcile.
Either Lilith's motivations or Alastor's are being misread here.
What could he really be up to?
I don't think Alastor had a preexisting issue with Lucifer that caused him to lash out when they met, per se. He dislikes other men in general - this is a consistent piece of his character, given that he has much better relationships with women (Rosie, Mimzy, Charlie, Niffty, to name a few) than he does with any of the men we've seen him interact with (Husk, Angel Dust, Lucifer, Sir Pentious), Zestial being the one exception I can think of off the top of my head, and even that seemed borne out of wariness than anything else. With other men, he is either grudgingly neutral or downright vicious from the second he meets them, while with women he mostly seems to be either neutral or incredibly gentlemanly unless given significant reason to dislike them (Vaggie being a prime example of this).
Regardless of the reason/s behind this, it puts into perspective the larger picture. He seems to like other men, subconsciously or not, to 'know their place' around him and is especially harsh on those who, for whatever reason, are dismissive or rude to him. Therefore, when Lucifer took about two seconds to learn who he was and then mocked him, Alastor happily hit back at him. And of course, there's also the fact that Lucifer taking exception to his continued influence over Charlie would be a *massive* threat to whatever plans he's got brewing in the background. (My personal take is that whether, as hinted in his conversation with Niffty, he's truly grown fond of the Hotel crew/Charlie specifically, he lured her into a 'favor' because Lilith currently owns his soul, and he intends to bargain with her using the fact that he has some level of power over Charlie to do so.) Alastor is definitely nothing if not motivated by self-interest, after all.
That doesn't mean he's heartless, though, or that he lacks the capacity to form strong and meaningful emotional connections with others. Hell, Mimzy doesn't treat him with nearly the level of respect he demands from others, and where he'd have torn just about anybody else apart he simply lets her yell at him and even scold him like a child. And he and Rosie basically act like a platonic married couple, for goodness sakes! It makes sense that even he'd be happy for Charlie when she's over the moon to have her bio dad back in her life, whatever his feelings about Lucifer, especially when he does seem to have developed a genuine fondness for her - like a protege or niece.
Honestly i chalk it up to Lucifer being around makes it harder to manipulate Charlie. Cant get her to make deals if the big boss who just so happens to be her father is hovering over her shoulder
@@theeldrichvoid It's so nice to see a take from someone else who picks up on the subtle aspects of Alastor's reactions to others, especially the genuine wariness Zestial caused (which just makes him an even more interesting character than he already is). Agree about his noticeably different responses toward men versus women.
It's interesting trying to figure out where the plotting ends & genuine behavior begins. He was definitely happy for Charlie to make up with her Dad, even if Lucifer creates a major obstacle to him being able to manipulate Charlie (especially if Lucifer does now live with them, as it appears may be the case given the new 'apple themed penthouse' atop the new hotel, definitely looks more his style than Charlie's, even if she borrowed it for the battle shield...if not 'live there', then at least visit way more often).
Alastor seems to be 'shades of gray' in all aspects. I do wonder if he'll be shocked when they find out about Pentious, seeing how openly unconvinced of the possibility in the pilot, provided that was his honest opinion.
@@KyrieChii That's honestly one of the things I'm looking forward to the most!! I mean seeing everyone else's reaction will be fun too, but Alastor's? I can't waitttt >w
Perhaps Charlie could end up going down the route that Steven did in the Steven Universe Finale where he became the final antagonist.
Charlie has a lot of parallels to Steven
-Both are ‘heir to thrones’
-Their mother’s were not involved with a portion of their lives
-They have a positive view of their mother at the beginning but changed as the show went on
(At least with Rose and Lilith might get the same treatment)
-Both of them live w/o their dad but are beginning to see them more often as the show goes on
-They have defended their home world from an invading force that has some kind of relationship with them and their family
-Both of them try to see the good in people to make them change their ways
-Both are half breeds between an ‘immortal’ and a ‘mortal’
-Both are considered powerful and high ranking ( Steven has Pink Diamond’s gem while Charlie is the Princess of Hell and is second only to Lucifer)
-Most importantly, both of them try to fix other people’s problem’s while neglecting themselves.
The last point is what caused Steven to corrupt and become the final antagonist.
Perhaps Charlie might end up with a similar fate.
Thats... yep i see that happening
I can tell this show’s gonna end horribly.
If she mutates into a near unstoppable monster I'm gonna cry
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Yeah Charlie is too pure of heart to have that happen to her
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376
Maybe she gets corrupted by Roo?
charlie is a nephalim by definition. the uniting of an angel and human
I thought a nephalim was a union of demon and angel.
@@dtczyk8976 demons ARE angels. Biblically speaking. Demons lost the grace of god. There is no union of angels
@@dtczyk8976Not to mention her father is LUCIFER a fallen angel himself and her mother the first Human made demon. She is technically still human and still has those genes but was changed to a demon.
Ok but you are soooo right! Charlie is insanely powerful but never uses her obvious status to make other obey or respect her, because as she said that would be so mean. Her battle with Adam was awesome and it open so much questions of how much she's holding back
She remaining me to those very important people that actually want to help other and have the money/power to do it, but they're WAY to shelter and a little ignorant about how the world works, how hard living is for others and how awful a person REALLY can be.
Sadly in some circumstances if you want other to respect you and believe in what you are doing, you have to show them who is boss not everyone deserves your incondicional kindness, especially in the palce Charlie is in, there must be a balance so people don't treat you like a carpet.
I'm a little afraid of the deal she made with Alastor, is WAY to vague, he can basically ask her anything! And Alastor ohhhh he's really a good representation of a demon, like he knew how to kill angels months before extermination day but choose just the right moment to get what he wants.
To quote Nuxanor: "This man [Alastor] waited for MONTHS for just this moment to make a deal with Charlie."
I think it's both a testament to Alastor's manipulative nature but also his lack of power compared to Charlie and Lucifer. @@EyreAffair
Alastor's biggest ability is his resourcefulness and knack for reading people to create psychological leverage. But when physically overpowered, he can be easily yeeted, which makes him a funny character. His biggest weakness is his pride and need to be in control or avoid being controlled.
During her battle with Adam, I like to think that she was holding back BECAUSE she is very powerful but lacks the training and discipline to properly use them. In her mind, if she uses all her power she might loose control and end up hurting her friends. Charlie not having the training is backed up with the fact that her dad was distant for awhile until the end of s1. Hopefully she can get trained by her dad in the s2
Regarding Lilith. I think Viv the creator of the show is deliberately trying to create a sense of uncertainty about Lilith. In things she shows about her she presents her in ominous tones. Or doing seemingly cruel actions. I think this is a deliberate misdirect and it is my contention that Lilith has always been on Charlie's side and is still probably in love with Lucifer. Let me explain.
So the scene in the flashback where Lilith takes Charlie away from Lucifer. Keep in mind Lucifer is in the depths of depression. His faith in humanity has been smashed and his dreams have all turned to ash. These are not good topics for him. Charlie knows about his dreams but it is likely she heard them first from Lilith. And when he is able to see her she probably wants to hear more about his past and his dreams. Which because he does love her he cannot help but tell her about them. But this will cause him to be even further crushed by his feelings of failure. Thus Lilith would limit the time Charlie could spend with him out of mercy. It was not her leaving. But her showing compassion to her husband.
As to what she is doing in Heaven.... first of all lets see her through Charlie's eyes. Charlie claims she is doing the Hotel based on her mother's previous actions. Her father has no faith in humanity. They are a lost cause to him. But Lilith was trying to rally the sinners of Hell. But I suspect she was opposed by the more predatory Overlords and Heaven on principle. And because Lucifer could not be drawn into doing anything for the sinners she needed an ally. As her powers seem to be based around singing and manipulating minds she needed muscle to go against the entrenched Overlords. Thus she snagged Alastor when he arrived in Hell. He probably had a penchant for killing uncivil people so when she offered him power to go after the biggest uncivil Overlords he gave up his soul for it.
And he cleared out most of the big players in the Overlords. But The Vees rose quickly to take their place. And when Alastor came for Vox he was fought to a standstill. Forced to retreat to lick his wounds Lilith found herself uncovered. It was then that Heaven sent Adam to confront her. Heaven wanted her shut down. They didn't care how. But Adam had his own agenda. Eve had been missing ever since she died (probably in Hell due to eating the Apple). And he was still pissed about what happened when Lilith turned her back on him. So he demanded that Lilith join him in Heaven or he and his Army would come for young Charlie. Cornered Lilith agreed. Lucifer was probably part of the deal as well further crushing him. And the deal was struck that the exterminators would not target Charlie or any of the Hellborn.
Then when Adam dies Lute goes back to Heaven and tells Lilith that he is gone and the deal is over. And she tells her that Heaven now sees Charlie as a threat and they are going to come after her if Lilith does not go back down there and get her unders control.
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Oooh I love this! Hopefully the show does something similar I’ll be disappointed if they make her pure evil
I want to see this become canon!
I think you're onto something here!
I always felt Charlie had lots of potential and basically having it confirmed by Alastor multiple times outright saying hes going to use her to ride to the top.
Yea , I think next season Charlie is going to recognise one of the oldest facts
To be neutral , to be peaceful you need to be heavily armed , You need to be able to defend that peace.
and so Alastor is going to try and train her (What Charlie wants) and while doing so, Mold her (What Charlie does not know)
I agree, Charlie must be pretty Op, but she must not even know about these said powers let alone how to use them. But, do you remember in Helluva Boss when Stollus sometimes turns into that giant black and red Griffin-like creature? Maybe Charlie may have a similar form, but one that is much bigger, stronger, powerful and many other things. Tho, I think Charlie might actually snap at some point in season 2, precisely when she finds out Lilith just might have a part to play in the extermination- I agree with the vid on that.
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She wouldn't want to hurt her friends and father would she? With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 True, but it seems as Charlie only understands the bare basics of her abilities and prob doesn’t know how to control the more powerful ones. She might not hurt her friends, but might attack Lilith.
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Hopefully she doesn't abuse her powers or let them go to her head.
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 I think Alastor might manipulate her to use her powers in bad ways or somehow force them to get to her head.
Charlie is a Nephelium between one of the first humans and according to the bible Lucifer the seraphim, and seeing that Nephelium's are stronger than their parent angle when they unlock their powers, then Charlie should be stronger than literally everyone we have seen in the show so far.
I’d like to see that confirmed but I doubt it since on the hierarchy Lucifer is the highest and seems to have far more abilities than Charlie does. But of course we haven’t seen all her power yet.
I think Charlie isn't so powerfull as everyone thinks, in my opinion, what we've seen in the show, that's as far as she goes in terms of power
I also believe that she's powerful, but I really don't like how she thinks it's kind not to use her power. She enables so much harm to happen to some people because she's afraid to be mean to the perpetrators. Like being afraid to even talk to Valentino, that was such a joke. Her duty as royalty should be to keep the overlords in check and not let them abuse the souls they own. She needs to learn that leaving evildoers alone is being an enabler, and that's far from being kind.
My personal theory? Charlie's purpose is going to basically be to rip the whole system apart - heaven, hell, the lot of it, with different folks pushing her to do it in different ways for different ends. Being he child of Lucifer makes her, by some traditions, the anti-christ.
Consider: the successful redemption of Sir Pentious, an act that just entirely bypassed the angels, did a lot more than break the justification for the exterminations, it breaks the most fundamental assumptions that the folks in charge have had over what heaven and hell are and how they work, or are supposed to work. The most fundamental idea: that there's good and evil, they're absolute, you're either one or the other with a perfectly clear distinction just went right out the window. The entire foundation of heaven's assumption of absolute righteousness just got tossed out the window. Heaven's claim to perfection just evaporated.
And she threatens a large part of the hierarchy of Hell too. Some will be fine with change, but many of the infernal powers are very invested in keeping their peons in place. The more overtly control-oriented ones are going to be /pissed/ if their peons suddenly go "hold on, if I change my ways, I can escape this asshole?"
Charie's simple vision has shattered the balance, and things are going to go totally sideways.
Adam is responsible for redemption, not Charlie. He looks at Charlie and Lucifer as the tools for sacrifice. Since God will only redeem Sinners if their payments in sin are paid in full, under a sinless human lamb.
That is most likely what is going to happen, and added to the fact that there does not seem to be a christ figure in the show's universe, gives the space for charlie to play that role, but inversed, as anti-christ
The show was already being interesting but this is really going to be a hell of issues for second season
@@viktor2434 a anti Christ would do the opposite of charlie they would try to get as many people into hell as they can
@Quelis-mz5ge
…was that a pun?
one thing that is kinda not mentioned is the character Roo or Root of all evil, who I believe to be Eve. Roo is likely the one who hold's Alastor's soul and I think that Roo is trying to use him against Lilith and Lucifer since they "tricked" her into eating the fruit of knowledge.
That take could be interesting too, if Roo were to be the villain in season two and make a lot of trouble for the morningstars
It’s be cool to see Eve think that they manipulated her and forced her out of Eden, choosing to take her anger out on Charlie.
I wonder if Charlie was able to summon a trident made of Angelic Steel. She'd still be wounding the angels with their own steel still, but she'd *also* be the only character we know of in Hell to straight up make angelic steel and not just borrow/repurpose it.
Her being able to make angelic steel would also be an asset now that they don't have yearly exterminations.
15:14 Rip Akira Toriyama
“Not quite a Mary Sue, but definitely a Pollyanna”
Please, Pollyanna was my idol as a child and my friends say I’m the most like Charlie 😭 I just feel like the world is a cruel place, it doesn’t need another cruel person.
im so glad im not the only one who connected the idea of charlie possibly being a nephilim
Everybody is gangster in hell until Charlie shows her true power
Very interesting lore pieces. I think that Charlie will snap at one point, even more when Sir Pentious died.
I mean we hundred percent know that Alistar is under someone else’s leash right now, because he literally says it at the end. But what I wanna know is how did Husk figure that out
I seen a animatic about drunk Husk and Alastor and Alastor gave himself away lol
Maybe Husk was around to witness and Alastor knows that he knows and just wants him to keep it a secret
The number of times I pop into these videos to see a single character and end up learning dozens of fascinating stories and mythos is just delightful!
Charlie's Canon age is 200 years.
#Theory
Charlie wasn't first children of Lilith and Lucifer but they all born death.
@ LadySygerrik
Some stories of Lilith have her cursed with the inability to have children, with all of hers being either born dead or dying shortly after being born. It could be Charlie isn't their first child, just the first one to survive.
@Valentino simp
If we learned anything from Helluva Boss, it's that Viv love morbid backstories soooo
Wow I had NOT connected that bit of Lilith mythology to the plot of the show, that makes so much sense and retroactively makes the show better to me.
It might be that Alastor's reaction to Lucifer appearing had to do with a connection with Lilith, but I read that as "Alastor is pissed off and threatened because Daddy showing up and throwing his power in behind Charlie might screw up Alastor's plans to manipulate her / get her into making a deal with him / use her in some way to wriggle out of his contract."
I didn't expect an in depth video about Hazbin Hotel from abitfrank 😍
This is definitely an interesting idea. I definitely believe Charlie has tons of potential to grow into the most being the universe has ever seen, but she constantly holds herself back without even knowing it like Superman before he removed his mental blocks. I wonder if she’ll get her wings possibly unlocking the ability to break soul deals to allow her to free her friends from the things which bind them. And all this with Alastor pulling the strings behind the scenes to gain control over Charlie’s new power
I mean there is like no other way for a deal to break unless maybe the sinners who own the souls dies, or the victim gets redemption possibly? She would probably have to learn how to break a deal.
an abitfrank hazbin hotel video!?!? ive been blessed
....or cursed if you're a fan of Charlie. :-D I agree, it was a pleasure to see Abitfrank doing a video for Hazbin Hotel.
I know most hazbin theorists just connect the dots and say "Alastor probably has a deal with Lilith" like many others have done before them.
But did yall forget Valentino say something like "Oh, he[Alastor] owes us so much more than that[cash]" to Vox? Like I know it's only one line by val in a random conversation but I think it could reference Alastor owing his soul through a contract in some way (contracts between skilled overlords are probably a bit more complex than normal ones and as we know a deal does not have to include one's own soul.
Excuse my poor English I'm not that good at it
It may also be the reason he was unable to defeat vox
Maybe he made a deal with somebody else to avoid a deal with Vox
I got a theory what will happen. Alastor is probably going to ask for Charlie to free him from his strings and he will bring Hell into Chaos. I think somehow they are going to get through to Alastor and make him want to redeem himself by being a resident of the Hazbin Hotel.
That was, honestly, more than I wanted to know about Charlie, but worth it for the interesting lore. I hope they are willing to crack her character open more. Right now she is so nice she's boring as hell as a character. The questions and changes lie from the beginning in Alastor, Adam, and Sir Pentious, so they're the only ones that interest me right now. But hopefully more will join that list next season. I have hopes for Lilith's arrival on the scene.
Funny thing about the story of Prometheus.
Human originally had fire when they were originally made because Prometheus gave every other survival adaptation to every animal except intelligence so Prometheus was allowed to give humans intelligence and fire
At that time Zeus demanded the best food for their burned offerings which feeds Hestia's scared flame because that flame is linked to all mortal fires and of Hestia's hearth goes out so do all fires on earth (or at least ancient Greece)
And Prometheus tricked Zeus into choosing the fat and bones because when those were placed in a plate carefully it looked better then the meat you normally would eat.
Zeus was livid and took all the flames (so he stole from Hestia basically who didn't care about the quality of offering so long as it was enough)
Then yeah Prometheus stole the fire back and the rest is much better documented until Heracles breaks him free
My favourite show + my favourite UA-camr? This vid is a dream come true!
I love seeing people pick apart a story but dang your really did your research. Add to that the soothing voice and cute animation, this vid is top tier. I actually watched the whole thing. Great job
Oh god. Imagine if the final season of Hazbin Hotel sees Charlie realize her destiny and turns into a being that's more powerful than Heaven and Hell combined. She might restart time and creation so she can make a new reality where everyone is more kind to each other and the sinners don't become demons when they end up in hell.
that’s batshit insane bro
@@dirteesocc6864 Sorry I put my fanfic there, but imagine IF she turned into a god or eldritch being. That would be metal AF
"Vaggie I ascended beyond levels of saiyan you can't comprehend"
@@jessecrafts2630 "Alastor! What does Scouter say about her power level?!?"
"Angel, it's OVER 666 THOUSAND!!!"
"WHAT?!? 666 THOUSAND?!? THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN BE RIGHT!!!"
@@TheNightmareAngelYT XD
Paradise Lost is the Fifty Shades of Gray to the Bible's Twilight Saga. And I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad Vivzee didn't use that as Lucifer's origin story.
"Hazbin Hotel" definitely still took a lot of influence from "Paradise Lost". I wrote a whole essay about it.
@@EyreAffair care to share? 👀
If “Paradise Lost” is “50 Shades”, than what fanfic is Dante’s “Divine Comedy” equivalent to? My Immortal?
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Nah, the Divine Comedy actually deserves to exist.
@@brainflash1 Still ain't in the Bible, though.
Its head canon that alastor hates Lucifer because he insulted his decoration skills (the bar) and didn’t know who he was.
I still think Lilith has alastor soul. Cause of the way he protects the hotel. I think she told him to help her with her dream
I've always wondered why Lilith would make a deal with Alastor to watch over Charlie, cause it defenately doesn't feel like he's protecting her, but you just made a very compelling case for a very good and well researched reason that fits how Vivzie might've written that plot point. I can see this all happening super easily.
Sees Charlie: hand it over that thing your dark soul.. for my lady's painting
5:48 well he is the sin of pride and ruler of the pride ring
Awesome video as always.
Given how Charlie is essentially a nephilim, it's possible there might be others like her in the story. My current tinfoil idea is that Alastor is one himself given how powerful he was when he first entered hell.
My bet is Alastor's power comes from his skills at manipulation, through his deals specifically. A bit of a classic demon thing gaining power that way.
Funny you should mention Supernatural and Jack.
I personally hypothesize that Charlie's story will end in a.... *similar* way.
Ah shiet, here we go again…
@@silvie626 I mean in the sense of Charlie attacking and dethroning God, and then becoming the supreme ruler of Heaven.
i just relized that this story implys that rubber ducks are considered a evil of mankind
A human seraphim angel hybrid was always my thought of what Charlie is
Because the natives of the underworld are said to not have souls but Charlie does Charlie herself and Alastor confirmed this when they spoke of making a deal.
abitfrank being a hazbin fan makes me so happy. i wonder if she has been a fan for the 5 years prior. i had a conniption when i found out it was coming out. i am not disappointed. im so happy.
A line from Charlie from the pilot that we shouldn't forget. "I think dad was right about me."
The theory about Alastor working for Lilith is pretty popular in the fandom and I can see why. It does make some sense. But we'll wait and see how canon it is (in a few years).
There's also a theory that says that the Lilith we saw at the end of season 1 might actually be Eve.
Wait, if both were created equal, what if Adam did nothing wrong and Lilith was the one who started the argument between them ?
After all they were created as the same beings, perfectly fit for eachother. So what if both were so pridefull that it was Lilith that turned the Adam off ?
After all, so far all we know about the lore is from the Lilith's perspective, so she can not be a trusted source.
As one of the Knight's that looked for painting material said: "Give me your Dark soul"
Hi. I was working with a Sumerologist a while back and the topic of Lilith arose. You might be interested in his explanation:
"In Sumerian, "lil" is a type of ghost, the spirit of an unburied deceased. In Akkadian it's lilu, feminine lilitu. In addition there's the "girl of lil" (sum. kiskil lila, akk. ardat-lili), which is that one of the epic. Beside that, they are mainly known from ritual texts dealing with different demons."
They're sort of restless ghosts that haunt the wild abandoned places and feed off others. I guess a bit like the hungry ghosts of many fables around the world. Apparently Gilgamesh himself is listed as 'the son of a lil-demon' in the Sumerian King List, though not in other sources.
I loved the "devil went down to Georgia" reference
One day, Charlie is going to snap and turn the first layer of Hell into a smoking crater. She's a Tzar Bomba just waiting to go off.
gz you recived my like in the first 5 min and you even managed to get me emotional while just beaing on the side toppic .... i concidder you a good video maker
Charlie's pride is the real threat if her dream comes true about redeming the souls in hell then the equilibrium is broken that means chaos in the mortal realm and in heaven since justice will not matter anymore
As adam said , "fair is fair an eye for eye" and "a man only lives once"
Extermination is no a social issue its about preventing humanity's most ancient and destructive evils from overruning the afterlife Literal freaking demons !!
of course the adam pfp would say this
@@mintykiwi true but is it wrong tho?
@@sawney_bean yes did you even watch the show? justice has never mattered since people could get into heaven without even knowing why, and exterminating human souls does nothing to destroy the evils they were tempted by
Except justice already doesn't matter in the Hazbin Hotel universe that's the problem.
Do you not understand that redeeming means them becoming better people than they once were? How the hell would people becoming better do what you're saying?
We can also see from looking at Adam who you're quoting here, was not in fact a good person despite being in heaven. Why does an asshole like Adam get to be in heaven while someone like Pentious who's genuinely sweet was in hell?
System is broken, that's the point.
@@shadenox8164 fr that's what i'm saying!
Wow Good catch when you said he look nervous while looking at the picture
I love Hazbin more than Helluva. Probably cause Hazbin is kinda ‘Lighter’ Than Helluva, Cause Hazbin focuses on Redemption and Heaven and Hell. More than Earth. 0:53 Lucifer is played by Jermey Jordan who Voiced Varian in Rapunzel’s tangled Adventures.
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 SEASON 2!🩷 Maybe in 2025. We are in The middle of 2024, Crazy.😵💫
I didn't expect to see a Hazbin Hotel video on this channel! What a treat! I love this video!
I have a subscription to Nebula this month. So I opened your link. Thank you for covering Hazbin Hotel, I'm a big fan of the series and enjoyed your videos for years. It's nice to see two things I enjoy come together so nicely. You have some intriguing theories and your videos always leave me wanting more.
"In Mliton's work . . ." * Show's Blake's illustrations *
Lucifer reminded me of Willy Wonka, and ur description of Lucifer just justified my thought
For those that don’t know Charlie is nephalem
A nephalem is a Angel/Demon Hybrid
This creature appears in various forms of media, and has been described as the offspring of both an angel and a demon, but they can also be an angel/demon that possesses demonic/angelic powers. However, users of this power will have the potential to become more powerful than either side.
This is due to the fact that said spirit would be neutral and possess power from the forces of both light and darkness. These beings are based on the nephilim, the hybrid offspring of an angel and a human, with the only difference being that both parents are immortal spirits. (Note: However, if the user who actually obtains this power is human, or alternatively a nephalem mates with a human, they will become/technically have a born child that would be just like the "nephilim". In fact they would be an angel/demon/human hybrid.)
In terms of Moral alignment, nephalems are mainly neutral, some others may also be considered wild cards, going to the side of good, evil or anywhere in between. The same can also be said for the personality of said being. As for appearances, the wielders form can have unique features from both sides of their heritage such as small horns and/or a halo, some having eyeballs that are from an angel and a demon, sometimes having both a demonic and angelic wing on either side of their backs, and a supernatural, glowing aura that displays their divine status.
At least in terms of deviating depictions, nephalems could be the embodiment of chaos, where they basically tend to value freedom over order. In another perspective, since they are hybrids of demons and angels, they can embody both order and chaos, which is when they tend to balance both chaos and order to make the rest of existence more compromising and pleasant, as well as for the sake of creating true harmony. This sort of depiction of them are also responsible for keeping both afterlife planes in a state of balance, namely both Hell and Heaven.
Didn’t even think about when Charlie created her trident I remember catching Adam’s weapon and her using a shield but her creating a trident is on my radar now
"Hand it over, that thing... your Hazbin hotel season two"
If you get this reference you're the goat
Ahhh i subscribed! Please do more videos on hazbin hotel if you have anymore ideas. I don’t see many deep dives like this.
I'm just saying, whenever "Lilith" is shown in flashbacks/ at the end, she has a coloured outline (like an angel) not a solid black outline (like a devil)
If Gilgamesh attacks you say my booty is mine it belongs to me you cannot take my booty and then Yujiro hanma will appear to protect you
I love your channel and how you approached this! You word your essays so eloquently
This video was one hundred times better than for some reason I expected that it was going to be. It was entertaining listening to somebody illuminate some more of the source material inspiration for a change. Hazbin, resonates in a way that only fables can with itself having drawn of that very same Well and seemingly this gets wildly overlooked! Thanks, this was fun! :3
As a Christian I don't think it's an attack on all Christianity but the bad parts. And society in general. Love your channel.
i dont know if you have the texts or can find them but i really recommend reading Lilith journal. i heard it was removed from the sumarian texts, she talks about alot of these instances from her pov and its so eye opening.
Interestingly enough, in original Christian mythology, Lucifer was never involved with eden outside of being jealous of the humans and thus rebelling.
The apple? That was a snake which had legs in eden. The punishment for the snake was to lose the legs.
Another interesting bit is that "satan" isn't a single entity. It's a description of sorts meaning something of the lines of "accuser".
Then there's the devil which I'm not even sure if that entity is ever even mentioned in the original books at all.
Ultimately, thinking that the devil/satan/lucifer is the actual big bad in the bible, let alone the same being, isn't even correct.
If anything the only somewhat reoccurring "big bad" in the bible is the second leviathan. Before the creation of the world there were the two leviathans of which god slew one before beginning creation and imprisoned the other.
The leviathan is also referred to as a dragon and at the time of the Armageddon the dragon returns together with the beast which is a distinctly different creature too.
As a Christian myself, Satan is only ever mentioned in the Bible as being overthrown by Jesus and God. As far as I know, most Christians don’t even consider the book that talks about Satan having been a fallen angel as part of the Bible. We call it Christian inspired mythology, and at least in the Lutheran branch it’s not considered to be a thing that really happened.
Oml this videos gonna be gooood
Alastor doesn't seem to be on Lillith's leash. He didn't show up when Charlie called on Lillith he was watching her from a TV in the audience and took interest in her. He walked there and happened to show up at the same time.
This video is how I learned the Live twins monster archetype in yugioh's names are based on friggin gilgamesh and lillith 😂 I was like wait why does lil-la sound familiar
I haven't seen you since ur coraline videos! great to see you in my recommended again
I love that Lucifer's backstory can be summarized as "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." He meant well but what he did literally created hell!
This is unrelated but I love this episode too because of the visuals, as an aquarium girlie, seeing the Neon Tetras in his aquarium and the large plants in the windows are something I always look forward to when I see this episode!
Fun fact about Alistair he's not under the control of Lilith he's under the control of another entity that is far beyond Lilith
Lillith, as the first wife of Adam, DOES. NOT. EXIST. The whole "We should be equal, I won't be subservient to you" part is moot when you realize that originally, Adam and Eve were equals. It was only after they sinned that God said that a woman would be subservient to her husband. Also, an entirely different first woman would be pretty important, and not something God or Moses would just, leave out.
Sorry but you don't get to insist your version of handed down stories are more correct than another. The concept exists.
@@shadenox8164 I'm telling you why the source material that this person was derived from disproves their existance. It's not my version, it's what the BIBLE SAID.
This was a surprise. Have been binging watching it since the pilot episode. Can’t wait for season two. My favorite character is Alastor and Charlie. Really love the songs. Mine is hell’s greatest dad. And loser. Really like that deep lore of Hebrew mythology and history. Amazing video and the story telling of this religion. But I’m definitely curious who’s going to voice Lilith in season two.
Can i just take a moment to mention how your voice so so so so calming. ❤
This was beautifully created awesome job and reasearch!❤
I believe some links would put Lilith as the first "hellborn," which may be a possibility as its known sinners aren't able to breed. Although we might never be told the timeline on that matter.
Lucifer, High Seraphim and first primordial demon, Lilith primordial female human and second demon (not sure about Eve though likely she went with Adam to heaven along with her family aside from one)
FYI: Cain, in my theory became the third demon in Hell and the sin of wraith Satan
SO YEAH Chairle is a hybrid of a pure-blood demon with an angelic soul,, a sort of mesh between cambion and nephilim
When I watched Hazbin, I couldn't help but wonder how much of Lucifer's father anxiety is based on himself and how much was more due to Charlie's mother...or perhaps his own "daddy issues". I'm really looking forward to seeing more of their story and seeing what else we learn about all of the characters, especially the back stories of Charlie's parents and Alastor.
I enjoyed this video, I would love to see more hazbin hotel vids like this 🥰
2:44 🎶The magical mr. mr. mephistopheles🎵
One thing that I found interesting is when Lucifer showed up to fight Adam in the finale. He didn't appear until AFTER Charlie was attacked by Adam. Adam had mentioned in "Hell is Forever" that the Hellborn are safe from the exterminations, so what if that was part of Lilith's deal with Adam? I also really want to know when the exterminations started. Were they started within Charlie's lifetime? (and exactly how old is she???? ) Were the exterminations a direct reaction to whatever Lucifer tried first? Season two is going to have some major questions to answer, I can't wait.
Supposedly Charlie is at least a couple centuries old.
@@shadenox8164 Source?? I'm not doubting you, I just want to know where you found that. There has been so many interviews, I really don't know where to start digging, so that would be a great starting point I think.
This is so insightful and thoughtful ❤ lots of ideas to chew and think on. Thank you
While interesting, lilith is not actually in the bible. She was in some side writing that includes the mythology of things like the jewish golem. None of which is considered part of the religion. It is like accepting a fan fict of a character as the canon work. Also a key aspect to said mythology is that she murdered her child with Adam.
Saiyan hybrids I don't believe are stronger than pure saiyans. Stronger? Eh.
Greater potential and greater ease of accessing power? Yes.
It doesn't seem like Lucifer cannot see Charlie on Lillith's terms more so he's looking at the photo to remember the good times because he's afraid of disappointing her in fear of thinking he's a bad father.
Gohan is also kind of an anomaly. Despite Goten and Trunks liking training and fighting they aren't actually on par with their fathers, while Gohan could easily if he applied himself to it with the same dedication. But it's also just not something he enjoys, so eh.
Idk why but the phrase "i cast you to the ground" made me chuckle, it sounds kinda funny
"charlie/makima/other" is so tallented 😁so proud of them
"Charie...! Our "people"? Are the worst! I gave them free will and look what they did with it"!
Omg, somebody who appreciated the golden fiddle as much as I did 😭🥹
I can’t wait till Abitfrank gets into Studio Ghibli films. You’re my favorites analyst! You get so in depth into theories, research, lore, etc. Please watch Spirited Away! I have so many questions!
We also have the whole deal with Roo (Root of all Evil) mystery character
she is really mysterious maybe she is in second season