"He starts being unfairly pinned for crimes he's not doing now that he's trying to change his ways" is in fact the most realistic part of his arc, and probably the most important part of the lessons of the story to demonstrate.
It's kinda a nod to Collodi's past: he was a satiric journalist, he loved to poke fun at the higher ups of his society: this scene is basically saying "all the innocents are screwed up by a justice system controlled by ANIMALS, while the real criminals still get away scot-free" almost 150 years later... NOTHING CHANGED.
I get the feeling the easiest way to straighten out the original version of Pinocchio is by whipping out a lighter. "Pull that crap on me again, I'll turn you into a bonfire."
19:15 In the final version, he just falls unconcious, but this was originally meant to be the end. Yep. Like this. Then the fans were like "WTF, CARLO!? That's it?! What about the aftermath? What about Geppetto!?" "Ok, ok, I'll continue." Collodi, the original Arthur Conan Doyle
@@r.j.penfold @I_kill_people I have good news about it: there's this Italian comic series about classical books characters becoming "humanized" and some are invested with the power of controlling the others from... getting busted. Pinocchio is one of them and in one arc teams up with Sherlock to find the thief of Lovecraft's Necronomicon. "Agenzia Investigativa Carlo Collodi" Bad news: I'm afraid it's discontinued and exclusive to Italy
That's what I've Been saying! The Live Action Remakes would be SO Much Better if they used the OG Source Material. Like, show us Cinderella's Stepsister cutting off parts of their feet so they can wear the slipper, show me at 3 of Evil Queens murder attempts on Snow White, show us Rapunzel wandering in the desert, waiting for her prince! Heck, there's THOUSANDS upon Thousands of Fairytales yet to be turned into film that I'd love to see, bonus points if they're in 2D animation! :3
There was one in 2019 but it was hated by everyone because they thought it was made by Disney and criticized for being "Too dark" and "Too uncanny." Unbelievable.
There’s actually a book series of dark stories inspired by Disney films. It’s called “Les Contes Interdits” (Forbidden Tales in French) but I don’t recall it being translated in English… although if you can read French, you should check it out! Careful though, it’s really really dark and sometimes disgusting
@@melaber77 Don't forget that he also covers more recent stories, like the Percy Jackson series, and the recent 3 parter of Sweeney Todd, and nursery rhymes, and for some reason, he also did the Messed Up Origins of Voldemort from Harry Potter, which was interesting, speculating that J.K. Rowling got the idea of Voldemort from different mythologies from different cultures, and kinda mashed them together. I HIGHLY recommend Jon Solo. He's just as interesting as this person that makes these videos are!
The more I'm listening the more I feel to understand why you non-Italians are afraid of this story: it's not well adapted in English. Poor Collodi, he's the inventor of adapting from a language to another. The "wicked eyes", for instance, is actually something on the line "naughty eyes". It's "Occhiacci" which is "eyes" + a derogatory suffix. It's nothing, really. He's just asking "Stop staring, you're distracting me". And about Pleasure Island, it's actually "Land of Toys" = "Paese dei Balocchi". "Boobie" was a very obscure translation, so much as "balocco" is a very old and obscure term for "giocattolo" (toy) in Italian
I would really like an updated translation, especially since English has changed a lot since the old translations were done. A good example is what you pointed out: booby is not used now as it was then (plural; boobies) as when this story was translated, booby meant "an awkward foolish person" (which could even be translated as Dummy if you want a pun). But Land of Toys still sounds much nicer than Land of Dummies.
Boobie was also an old word for fool, as in Boobie Trap, and Loonie, as in Boobie Hatch, AKA Assylums/Sanatoriums. I really wonder about the etymological divergence that went into eventually referring to women's breasts....
Foe the CGI movie? Because if that's the case, then they waisted precious time on the animators and the budget. If they made working clocks, they could have used them as a prop. But nope, they only made them as a reference to animate an exact replica of the real model and make it look like its the real thing.
thats actually so damn cool! i would pay ungodly ammounts of money, for a real one of his clocks. i hope the original models are on display at diney world, or somewhere at least!
Admittively, the way Pinocchio turns human in the book is a bit weird, but I love how the 1972 miniseries implemented it. Since it was in live-action, they had to understand how to depict a living puppet, but since in the book it's barely ever aknowledged, they came up with thus: Pinocchio starts off as real puppet, who can move a little bit, but during the first night the Fairy (who's really Geppeto's deceased wife who came back to grant him his wish to be a parent), turns him into a real boy, on the condition that he behave. Thus during the episodes Pinocchio switches between being played by a child actor and returning to his puppet form (especially in scenes where you wouldn't want a child to be involved, like the hanging). So when in the end you see Pinocchio standing next to the real puppet, you know that he's finally gonna be a real boy for good!
Exactly! I always thought that series were the best medium to adapt this serial into. I particularly liked the 1976 anime. And of course, most of us italians consider the 1972 miniseries as the definitive adaptation of the story!
Yeah, I remember reading OG Pinocchio and it was completely insane. One interesting little bit of trivia I remember from the version I read was that ol' Fire Eater sneezed instead of crying when Pinocchio and the other puppets begged for him not to be burned.
I think his character is originally a bit of a rebellious troublemaker, that learns the consequences of his actions and becomes good. The Disney Pinocchio on the other hand is just very naive and kinda learns how the world actually works. The lesson is mostly “don’t be so gullible”
@@valerievargas1548 The WOKE remakes are BS. You can't be strong if you aren't weak first, no matter whether you are a man or a woman. You don't have to be a fierce warrior lady to have strength of character as a woman.
Its fascinating how different this original version is to what is usually portrayed - and how strangely complicated the story was. I thought the fish/lizard man bit was interesting.
I can't remember if the original author hated kids, viewing them as nothing more than a bunch of spoiled brats that had to be civilized, but I do know that at the ending of part one, where Pinocchio died by hanging, that was supposed to be the canonical ending. It was only after his book got famous, and after people kept encouraging him to do so, that he finally wrote a sequel to it.
Movie where Pinochio is shot and the magic liquid drips from the holes is from 1996 "Adventures of Pinocchio", where the puppet theater owner and coachman of Pleasure Island are the same person, and his dropped into the magic water, which turns him into the sea monster that eats Gepetto and Pinocchio.
I loved how the original story Incorporated the rabbits and some of the other elements like the fish that swallowed them in the ocean similar to the new Pinocchio
Funny part is Pinocchio was supposed to die when he was hanged and the story was supposed to end. But Carlo was asked to not end it that way. So he changed it.
Thank. You. So. Much! Pinocchio is a story that has always had an impact on me, Disney's original version, due to the transformation scene *traumatizing* me at a young age. This video going into a full scale detail over that original source material ask while being narrated in your delightfully haunting whimsical voice was a treat.
You guys should definitely check out Del Toro’s Pinnoccio! There are many aspects of it that pay a wonderful homage to the original book (Pinnoccio’s more naughty behavior, the black rabbits, and Geppetto’s more aggressive nature toward Pinnoccio)!
I remember seeing this weird Pinocchio movie from the library in the town I used to live in as a kid... Turns out it wasn't weird, just following the source material. Wonder if I'd be able to find and watch it again... Also, Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio does a great job at keeping a bit more of the harsher themes or ...shenanigans? Also, also, if anyone likes dnd, Dimension 20's newest campaign is horror themed called Neverafter and the players are fairy tale characters. I like the way Lou, who is playing Pinocchio unleashes some chaos. I think there are episodes out on youtube now.
this channel is definitely one of my favourite ones, I really love learning about childhood stories' original versions. thank you for this, really interesting-
Speaking of Pinocchio adaptations, the anime Magi is a good one. Specifically the story arcs of the characters Aladdin and Titus. Aladdin gets most of the OG Pinocchio's story arc, with "Geppetto" in this instance being a teenage prince, Alibaba, who starts out having a sort of "Prince and the Pauper" arc which does not give the happy ending the original Prince and the Pauper did, but instead the "pauper", Cassim, is beyond saving and Alibaba later starts a democracy in his home country, throwing himself into that work to distract himself from his inability to save the "pauper". Throughout this, though, Aladdin goes through a sort of "Blue Fairy" arc, an almost-dying arc, a Pleasure Island/Monstro the whale arc, a Pleasure Island/having to work hard to earn his way arc, and later he meets a character named Titus who is a lot like the OG Pinocchio, with his most important trait being he is literally a puppet. But not a puppet made of wood. A body puppet who can have his control over his body yanked from him at any minute by the most actually Blue-Fairy-like character in the story, the Magi Scheherazade (named after the Arabian Nights storyteller, but she's really more like a fairy/god of Rome). And this culminates in all these characters (and others whose plots are less relevant to the Pinocchio part of the story) coming together to save the world from an evil organization who uses magic to destroy all societal progress and in the process may very well end up literally destroying the world using a vaguely Cthulhu-like device they conjured.
the thing about his wood-body - he was already in the wood Geppetto got, and needed to be Carved-out, then was under the donkey skin and flesh AND his he real boy but his puppet body still there... it smake me think of this like this: - he was left a real boy, that let his body in astral form but got stuck inside a tree, but able to shape the inside of the branch to an vaguely human-form, and the traumatic experience cause him amnesia. - another "pseudo-sci" idea, is that he was left in an opening inside the tree, and the tree grow on him, fusing with his skin, and the "became a man by being good", its actually attempt to help him to keep the psychological link to his humanity, the one the his plant-DNA try to suppress, drive him to his "Dionysian" side of the mind.
I don’t think sticking to the original story would’ve made for a very satisfying film, given how disjointed and aimless it feels. I think they did the right thing in streamlining it and making it more cohesive.
Hey now... the original film was made before the company put stock in being kid friendly and instead in making good tales and movies. The original Pinnochio is pretty dark for what it is compared to way too many of the things we have right now.
Would you believe me if I told you that I read this original story before I saw the movie? Yeah, we mostly watched Looney Tunes and Pixar, Aarkman and Dreamworks. We had a lot of books called Children's Illustrated (I think?) They were small hardback books with pictures occasionally. The did Black Beauty, Call of the Wild, Heidi, Little Women and all that. Personally I'm really glad I read this version before everything else. *Much* more interesting and memorable.
Gapetto might have so much anger and other negative emotions that it poured into Pinocchio as he was carving him. Thats why a many fairy helps are interested in Pinocchio.
The part that always fascinated me as a kid was when they turn into donkeys. It was horrifying and awful, and yet strangely compelling. It was my favorite part of the movie.
Wow, that's pretty wild. I haven't bothered to watch the newer Pinocchio, but I'm pretty sure this is more entertaining. Thanks for researching and taking us through it!
An author named Edward Carey has done his own take on this called The Swallowed Man! A really good read if you want a twisted take on this tale, with the main plot being based around the whale scene
While I was randomly looking through our bookshelf, I found a Pinocchio book and wondered if it's the 'off the rails' type. Looked through and looked at the chapter names, AND I REALIZED IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THIS (except translated into estonian)! So I started to watch the video again, and yes, the author is the same
This video is perfect now that I finally watched Pinocchio. (Yes I was apparently living under a rock without realizing since I didn't notice that I've never saw it until recently)
For context, calling someone a donkey in Italian is a common way to call them ignorant, or just plain stupid, so it may be less that the Cricket's admonishment is foreshadowing, and more that the later transformation is dramatic irony by making our donkey of a puppet into the literal equivalent. The idea of a "dunce cap" in Italy similarly involves donkey imagery, so it fits quite well with the themes of Pinocchio. I'm not certain of this, but I imagine calling someone an "ass" in English may have similar origins, rather than being a reference to hindquarters.
If you haven't played American McGee's Grim, I think you should have a looksee! Because their version of Pinocchio wasn't wrong! And them making said puppet boy a killer was kinda spot on! And the scenes in that game were funny to be honest! But yes, this is all true with some of the tellings of Pinocchio, including the killing of the cricket (Who name was never Jimminy btw), being turned into a donkey and the fate of the blue fairy. It's also worth mentioning that in a couple versions of the story, Pinocchio and his dad remain in the belly of the sea creature, and Lampwick's fate is either left unknown or has him killed off in the form of "Remained as a donkey and either died of old age or from being overworked). I mean HECK, we NEVER got to know what happened to both Lampwick OR the boys/children that were turned into donkeys on Pleasure Island! Did they remain as donkeys for the rest of their lives, or did the Blue Fairy give them mercy and turned them back into human boys and sent them back home to their families? Sadly, we'll never know. And unless Disney Studios makes a sequel of the Pinocchio movie, that's a one in a million chance or just straight up never. (And we ALL know how fans of the original movies feel about some of the Disney Sequels in the 2000's). And to answer abitfrank's question: Is the story of Pinocchio all over the place? Yes, in a way. It's either a hit or miss for some movies, or a like or dislike for the fans. In my personal opinion, I've only seen a minor amount of Pinocchio movies. The ONLY ones I recall seeing are Disney's version of Pinocchio, and the Pinocchio movie with Drew Carey as Geppetto. Every other version of the movie I have either never heard, never seen or never seen due to bad reviews. (Disney's live action version being one of them sadly.) Which version do I like the best? Disney's of course. While there were some plots of the story that were left unaswered, I felt that the story itself kinda stayed true to the original versions of the book stories, but was written in a way that doesn't completely give fans any nightmares (Unfortunately, the donkey transformation scene is ONE of those nightmare fuel scenes.). At least in ONE of the movie versions of Pinocchio, Lampwick was not only turned back into a boy, but also went back to his family. If Disney ever thinks about doing another remake of Pinocchio, I honestly hope that the Lampwick in that version gets a decent redemption and a better ending than the past versions. But no matter what version of Pinocchio everybody likes, I do hope they enjoy both the original story and movie forms of Pinocchio and find out for themselves which ones they love the most.
You know what I really love about this channel! This channel is intriguing, wonderfully animated, as how simple it is but beautiful at the same time and is enjoyable to listen to! On my long drives as I am a courier and have 12-hour shifts driving over 700 miles a day. I also listen to lazy masquerade. Who talks about stories around the world of creepy and spooky things as well as murders. This is such a treat for me! I adore this channel Thank you for making it. 🤍Your new fan.
It’s just like the new Pinocchio on Netflix but instead of fun land the soldier takes the wooden boy to a place where little boys his age learn to become soldiers and serve there country Italy. Also in the beginning Geppetto appears to have a little boy of his own named Carl but was soon killed by a nuclear bomb that was launched at the church. All though Pinocchio had a little bit a bratness in him his was kind. In the Netflix story there is no blue fairy. And the cricket gets squished numerous of times but remains alive. And while Pinocchio was being trained to fight in the Great War the soldier commanded his son to shoot the puppet and clocks the gun and hands it to his son (which is none other than candlewick) and the soldier calls Pinocchio to stand with the gun pointed to his head the soldiers son was not brave enough to pull the trigger. So the soldier starts chasing Pinocchio around the battlefield with a gun trying to aim for Pinocchio but fails and dies of being burned alive. And at the end of Pinocchio Geppetto dies along with the cricket. I hope y’all can watch the movie of Pinocchio on Netflix it’s an amazing movie I very much so loved it also the music scenes had me hooked I had to watch it three times😂 but these were only spoilers to the movie if you have watched it before comment your fav part bye❤
There's so many origin stories to Disney's stuff that is dark It's a shame Disney tries to snuff them out with their own version, only for writers to rewrite the story as unhinged as they can lmao
I reccomend that all of you check out Guillermo del toro's Pinocchio, its pretty dark but so so cool and honestly, beautiful. its all claymation and the story does not hold back (war, alcoholism, more war, after-life, the pain of imortallity, exploitation, etc etc) but is super cool.
My grandmother gave me this book as a child. I really wanted to like it, but everyone was so unpleasant, even the ones who were nice, that I couldn't get there. There are things about he animated movie that bother me, but there at least I can see the story underneath and who doesn't love Figaro.
If want a version of this story that keeps in all the dark stuff there is a cartoon version from 1979 ( you can it watch free on UA-cam) and live action version (2019) by filmmaker Matteo Garrone
That "fever dream" of yours at the beginning of the video when Pinocchio had the holes that leaked out the water? That wasn't a dream, it's from the 1996 Adventures of Pinocchio staring Jonathan Taylor Thomas.
No, it wasn't a dream. That was a scene because it was a gag many cartoons used during the time (this movie, in it's release, would have shown against Bugs Bunny, Woody Woodpecker, and all the greats). Great video! Your style is whimsical and horrifying. I love it!
I feel like you should talk about the surface breaks, by loise’ o Neil it’s a little mermaid adaptation that does have a few Disney and grim references. I know you already made a vid on the dark version of the little mermaid but this book has details that should be talked about!
There is an anime from 1976, that put a whole lot more flesh on Pinocchio's charachter. Despite turning Jimminy Cricket into a duckling(don't ask), it's overall closer to the source material than either Disney version.
14:27 i have this exact telling of the story in 2 book my grandparents had (they're mine, now), and that my - now deceased - grandpa used to read me. there's 22 chapters in the first book; i don't think they're long, but it took Pinocchio 8 chapters to get to the turning point you mentioned. 23:12 not Polecats; they're Beech Martens. here in Italy, we call the animal "Faina", which is my books call them. i looked up the animal by its Italian name, looked for its scientific name (Martes Foina), then looked up said name and found the English wiki page on the animal: lo and behold, the Beech Marten. 31:20 the word 'Dogfish' ('Pescecane'), in Italian, is the alternate name for a Shark (Squalo).
God that was so freaking uncomfortable to watch as an adult with my kids in the mom. I know I became my mom when I spent nearly that entire part of the story as an example of what the hell not to do. Boy, was the cartoon version reallyyy off putting.
Something I realized that BOTH new versions of Pinocchio did was have the wooden boy be basically a replacement son for Gepetto after his real one dies, and I’m not a big fan of that.
I always love your videos! Maybe after the new Del Toro version comes out you can do a comparison video? Even if you don’t I’m sure your next video will be a joy to watch like it always is :)
"A spelling book" - Do you think the concept of a Wizard's "Spellbook" came from the time when most of the population were illiterate? So to your layman, being able to make sense of words on paper may have seemed like magic.
I gotta be honest, I never understood how being hung by the neck could kill Pinocchio as Carlo Collodi had originally intended. I mean if his neck were made of cork, I could buy that, but no, the book clearly states that he was made from a single piece of pine. The name Pinocchio itself means "Pine Eye" in Italian, further reinforcing it. Collodi continuing the story where he left off surprisingly made more sense . . . or rather as much sense as a demented story like that can have.
2 b honest Pinocchio always scared the hell outta me as a kid. & now it makes sense. Except now I like the scary stuff so I'm thinkin I'll watch it again. It'll definitely b more interesting now that I saw ur amazing video
I would love to hear your impressions of Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio that was released on Netflix this year. It's an incredible stopmotion animation retelling of the story of Pinocchio. The character designs are amazing, and they have a unique telling of the story in no relation to other radiations. It also appears to share some things from the original story.
Everything about the original was better than the Disney version....having the main character start off unlikable is good in finding out how to decent story.
In Italian "pleasure island" is "Il Paese dei Balocchi", which in its closest translation might be the Land of Toys or maybe the Land of Fun/Entertainment. Where did the Land of Boobies come from? Could it have been some misprint from a Land of Goodies?
What version of the story did I read that seemed to just be the end of the Assassin/Dead Child arc where Pinocchio is taken in and nursed to health, does smth stupid, comes back and apologizes and asks to marry the Fairy
i think this is miles better than the disney version, i feel like theres actually more morals in the og than in the disney one. This has the dangers of ignorance, consequences, listening to your parents, and having a moral compass. The disney version just feels like a silly kids movie kids could learn mroe from the og and kids would just have fun at the disney ver, i think both are very good but the og is just so much better
You should do one on Spamton G Spamton, it sounds right up your alley, Deltarune, a seemingly innocent game turned scary due to a salesman a bit down on luck...
Thanks for doing this! the Collodi original doesn't get nearly enough attention (it's one of my favorite books ever; I had a weird childhood). I never thought of "poledina" as "pudding" - my edition has it as "cornmeal mush" - but I think I like "pudding" even better, LOL! I like the illios you have here, but have you seen the 1911 illios by Attilio Mussino? They are nothing short of amazing. But I guess we all love the version we were brought up with best. Seriously, tho, you want a scary Fire-Eater or truly terrifying Green Fisherman? look no further than the 1911 edition, which seriously gave little me nightmares...
I grew up knowing the basic story of Pinocchio from a Living Storybook. The first Pinocchio cartoon I saw was in Fractured Fairy Tales(The Pinocchio Doody Show). I always remember fondly the British Edition of Pinocchio I read in the second grade bookcase.:-) When,at age 7 I saw Walt Disney's Pinocchio, I saw it as just that...WALT DISNEY's Pinocchio.
I could listen to your voice for hours on end you're so good it's almost like ASMR. I hope this comment doesn't come across as creepy, or would that be a compliment? Considering the content of your channel and all?
I thought that the original story was pinocchio kxllxng childrens in the woods and peeling their skin before putting it on his wooden skin to become a normal boy? Or was that another version? Either way, I think I like this one better, far from the gruesome version I grew up with.
That's the story I grew up reading I have never watched the disney version - I have no interest in it But it feels incriminating to hear someone say that this very story, that has been the limelight of my toddlerhood, is somehow "dark" and "creepy" I mean. I get it. I just can't relate
"He starts being unfairly pinned for crimes he's not doing now that he's trying to change his ways" is in fact the most realistic part of his arc, and probably the most important part of the lessons of the story to demonstrate.
TL;DR: Pinocchio is a black man in America.
I mean for the theft one, he had to admit to his non existent crime and did and his nose didn't grow so he must've done something
Exactly and this is why I like the original more than this Disney adaptation
lol except black people commit more crimes factually@@Feve5
It's kinda a nod to Collodi's past: he was a satiric journalist, he loved to poke fun at the higher ups of his society: this scene is basically saying "all the innocents are screwed up by a justice system controlled by ANIMALS, while the real criminals still get away scot-free"
almost 150 years later... NOTHING CHANGED.
I get the feeling the easiest way to straighten out the original version of Pinocchio is by whipping out a lighter. "Pull that crap on me again, I'll turn you into a bonfire."
You my friend are a genius
19:15 In the final version, he just falls unconcious, but this was originally meant to be the end. Yep. Like this. Then the fans were like "WTF, CARLO!? That's it?! What about the aftermath? What about Geppetto!?" "Ok, ok, I'll continue." Collodi, the original Arthur Conan Doyle
Now my brain is thinking about Sherlock Holmes and Watson teaming up with the magic puppet boy to solve crimes and Idk why I love that idea
@@r.j.penfold we need that fr
@@r.j.penfold @I_kill_people I have good news about it: there's this Italian comic series about classical books characters becoming "humanized" and some are invested with the power of controlling the others from... getting busted. Pinocchio is one of them and in one arc teams up with Sherlock to find the thief of Lovecraft's Necronomicon.
"Agenzia Investigativa Carlo Collodi"
Bad news: I'm afraid it's discontinued and exclusive to Italy
@@MariuigiKhed the fact it exists at all brings me joy. Thank you
@@r.j.penfold id just buy it for how Pinocchio disses Harry Potter in one panel: "You flee from giant snakes, I make them die of laughter"
It would honestly be so interesting and fascinating to have the dark versions of disney's children's movies be shown to an older audience.
That's what I've Been saying! The Live Action Remakes would be SO Much Better if they used the OG Source Material. Like, show us Cinderella's Stepsister cutting off parts of their feet so they can wear the slipper, show me at 3 of Evil Queens murder attempts on Snow White, show us Rapunzel wandering in the desert, waiting for her prince! Heck, there's THOUSANDS upon Thousands of Fairytales yet to be turned into film that I'd love to see, bonus points if they're in 2D animation! :3
There was one in 2019 but it was hated by everyone because they thought it was made by Disney and criticized for being "Too dark" and "Too uncanny." Unbelievable.
There’s actually a book series of dark stories inspired by Disney films. It’s called “Les Contes Interdits” (Forbidden Tales in French) but I don’t recall it being translated in English… although if you can read French, you should check it out! Careful though, it’s really really dark and sometimes disgusting
@@melaber77 Don't forget that he also covers more recent stories, like the Percy Jackson series, and the recent 3 parter of Sweeney Todd, and nursery rhymes, and for some reason, he also did the Messed Up Origins of Voldemort from Harry Potter, which was interesting, speculating that J.K. Rowling got the idea of Voldemort from different mythologies from different cultures, and kinda mashed them together. I HIGHLY recommend Jon Solo. He's just as interesting as this person that makes these videos are!
I remember watching this (darker) story as a kid, but I don't remember if it was animated or live action
I love how savage the Blue Fairy Girl is, faking her death, saving Pinocchio at the last minute and so forth.
The more I'm listening the more I feel to understand why you non-Italians are afraid of this story: it's not well adapted in English. Poor Collodi, he's the inventor of adapting from a language to another.
The "wicked eyes", for instance, is actually something on the line "naughty eyes". It's "Occhiacci" which is "eyes" + a derogatory suffix. It's nothing, really. He's just asking "Stop staring, you're distracting me".
And about Pleasure Island, it's actually "Land of Toys" = "Paese dei Balocchi". "Boobie" was a very obscure translation, so much as "balocco" is a very old and obscure term for "giocattolo" (toy) in Italian
I would really like an updated translation, especially since English has changed a lot since the old translations were done.
A good example is what you pointed out: booby is not used now as it was then (plural; boobies) as when this story was translated, booby meant "an awkward foolish person" (which could even be translated as Dummy if you want a pun). But Land of Toys still sounds much nicer than Land of Dummies.
@@mistingwolf "We are Showroom Dummies!"
Translating "mammina" as "little mama" is also off. Nowadays it would be simply translated as "mommy".
Boobie was also an old word for fool, as in Boobie Trap, and Loonie, as in Boobie Hatch, AKA Assylums/Sanatoriums. I really wonder about the etymological divergence that went into eventually referring to women's breasts....
@@danielcolon979 oh, thank It might refer the REGION in which Toyland Is, which Is called Paese della Cuccagna (Country of pleasure/relax/leisure)
Fun Fact: Working models for all of Geppetto's cuckoo clocks were built as guides for the animators
Foe the CGI movie? Because if that's the case, then they waisted precious time on the animators and the budget. If they made working clocks, they could have used them as a prop. But nope, they only made them as a reference to animate an exact replica of the real model and make it look like its the real thing.
@@bigboomer1013 No, for the 40s version
thats actually so damn cool! i would pay ungodly ammounts of money, for a real one of his clocks. i hope the original models are on display at diney world, or somewhere at least!
@@Bailey_DreamfootDisney and i agree
Admittively, the way Pinocchio turns human in the book is a bit weird, but I love how the 1972 miniseries implemented it. Since it was in live-action, they had to understand how to depict a living puppet, but since in the book it's barely ever aknowledged, they came up with thus: Pinocchio starts off as real puppet, who can move a little bit, but during the first night the Fairy (who's really Geppeto's deceased wife who came back to grant him his wish to be a parent), turns him into a real boy, on the condition that he behave. Thus during the episodes Pinocchio switches between being played by a child actor and returning to his puppet form (especially in scenes where you wouldn't want a child to be involved, like the hanging). So when in the end you see Pinocchio standing next to the real puppet, you know that he's finally gonna be a real boy for good!
They should make a mini series. A movie will never fit all this fever dream of a story
Exactly! I always thought that series were the best medium to adapt this serial into. I particularly liked the 1976 anime. And of course, most of us italians consider the 1972 miniseries as the definitive adaptation of the story!
Yeah, I remember reading OG Pinocchio and it was completely insane. One interesting little bit of trivia I remember from the version I read was that ol' Fire Eater sneezed instead of crying when Pinocchio and the other puppets begged for him not to be burned.
I think his character is originally a bit of a rebellious troublemaker, that learns the consequences of his actions and becomes good. The Disney Pinocchio on the other hand is just very naive and kinda learns how the world actually works. The lesson is mostly “don’t be so gullible”
That Mary Sue protagonist issue seems to be a common issue with all of Disney’s live action remakes of their old animated classics.
I wouldn't be surprised if the new Ariel turns out to be a Mary Sue and same with the new Snow White making the original look like a strong woman.
@@valerievargas1548 The WOKE remakes are BS. You can't be strong if you aren't weak first, no matter whether you are a man or a woman. You don't have to be a fierce warrior lady to have strength of character as a woman.
Its fascinating how different this original version is to what is usually portrayed - and how strangely complicated the story was. I thought the fish/lizard man bit was interesting.
I can't remember if the original author hated kids, viewing them as nothing more than a bunch of spoiled brats that had to be civilized, but I do know that at the ending of part one, where Pinocchio died by hanging, that was supposed to be the canonical ending. It was only after his book got famous, and after people kept encouraging him to do so, that he finally wrote a sequel to it.
I love how she always pulls out new ideas from my favorite movies, good job! :)
Movie where Pinochio is shot and the magic liquid drips from the holes is from 1996 "Adventures of Pinocchio", where the puppet theater owner and coachman of Pleasure Island are the same person, and his dropped into the magic water, which turns him into the sea monster that eats Gepetto and Pinocchio.
I loved how the original story Incorporated the rabbits and some of the other elements like the fish that swallowed them in the ocean similar to the new Pinocchio
I like how Abitfrank's avatar has these noodle arms, but then grows a finger when she needs to make a pointing gesture.
I like to imagine she’s making a single loop that mimics the gesture 😊
Funny part is Pinocchio was supposed to die when he was hanged and the story was supposed to end. But Carlo was asked to not end it that way. So he changed it.
Thank. You. So. Much!
Pinocchio is a story that has always had an impact on me, Disney's original version, due to the transformation scene *traumatizing* me at a young age.
This video going into a full scale detail over that original source material ask while being narrated in your delightfully haunting whimsical voice was a treat.
Your voice is so nice to listen to in the morning no matter how dark the theme is 🤭
You guys should definitely check out Del Toro’s Pinnoccio! There are many aspects of it that pay a wonderful homage to the original book (Pinnoccio’s more naughty behavior, the black rabbits, and Geppetto’s more aggressive nature toward Pinnoccio)!
I remember seeing this weird Pinocchio movie from the library in the town I used to live in as a kid... Turns out it wasn't weird, just following the source material. Wonder if I'd be able to find and watch it again... Also, Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio does a great job at keeping a bit more of the harsher themes or ...shenanigans? Also, also, if anyone likes dnd, Dimension 20's newest campaign is horror themed called Neverafter and the players are fairy tale characters. I like the way Lou, who is playing Pinocchio unleashes some chaos. I think there are episodes out on youtube now.
this channel is definitely one of my favourite ones, I really love learning about childhood stories' original versions. thank you for this, really interesting-
Speaking of Pinocchio adaptations, the anime Magi is a good one. Specifically the story arcs of the characters Aladdin and Titus. Aladdin gets most of the OG Pinocchio's story arc, with "Geppetto" in this instance being a teenage prince, Alibaba, who starts out having a sort of "Prince and the Pauper" arc which does not give the happy ending the original Prince and the Pauper did, but instead the "pauper", Cassim, is beyond saving and Alibaba later starts a democracy in his home country, throwing himself into that work to distract himself from his inability to save the "pauper". Throughout this, though, Aladdin goes through a sort of "Blue Fairy" arc, an almost-dying arc, a Pleasure Island/Monstro the whale arc, a Pleasure Island/having to work hard to earn his way arc, and later he meets a character named Titus who is a lot like the OG Pinocchio, with his most important trait being he is literally a puppet. But not a puppet made of wood. A body puppet who can have his control over his body yanked from him at any minute by the most actually Blue-Fairy-like character in the story, the Magi Scheherazade (named after the Arabian Nights storyteller, but she's really more like a fairy/god of Rome). And this culminates in all these characters (and others whose plots are less relevant to the Pinocchio part of the story) coming together to save the world from an evil organization who uses magic to destroy all societal progress and in the process may very well end up literally destroying the world using a vaguely Cthulhu-like device they conjured.
This time you nailed it all! Animation, editing, narration and most importantly... text interpretation. Well done!
the thing about his wood-body - he was already in the wood Geppetto got, and needed to be Carved-out, then was under the donkey skin and flesh AND his he real boy but his puppet body still there...
it smake me think of this like this:
- he was left a real boy, that let his body in astral form but got stuck inside a tree, but able to shape the inside of the branch to an vaguely human-form, and the traumatic experience cause him amnesia.
- another "pseudo-sci" idea, is that he was left in an opening inside the tree, and the tree grow on him, fusing with his skin, and the "became a man by being good", its actually attempt to help him to keep the psychological link to his humanity, the one the his plant-DNA try to suppress, drive him to his "Dionysian" side of the mind.
I've never been a huge disney fan, but I would have if they did the originals XD
same lmao
I don’t think sticking to the original story would’ve made for a very satisfying film, given how disjointed and aimless it feels. I think they did the right thing in streamlining it and making it more cohesive.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 of course the disney version is way better than the og story . Disney has just never been my thing 😊
Hey now... the original film was made before the company put stock in being kid friendly and instead in making good tales and movies. The original Pinnochio is pretty dark for what it is compared to way too many of the things we have right now.
Bro same😂
This is how a child could be in childhood and adolescence and their parents will still love them with all their heart
Would you believe me if I told you that I read this original story before I saw the movie? Yeah, we mostly watched Looney Tunes and Pixar, Aarkman and Dreamworks. We had a lot of books called Children's Illustrated (I think?) They were small hardback books with pictures occasionally. The did Black Beauty, Call of the Wild, Heidi, Little Women and all that.
Personally I'm really glad I read this version before everything else. *Much* more interesting and memorable.
Gapetto might have so much anger and other negative emotions that it poured into Pinocchio as he was carving him. Thats why a many fairy helps are interested in Pinocchio.
The part that always fascinated me as a kid was when they turn into donkeys. It was horrifying and awful, and yet strangely compelling. It was my favorite part of the movie.
Wow, that's pretty wild.
I haven't bothered to watch the newer Pinocchio, but I'm pretty sure this is more entertaining. Thanks for researching and taking us through it!
An author named Edward Carey has done his own take on this called The Swallowed Man! A really good read if you want a twisted take on this tale, with the main plot being based around the whale scene
If you would like to see this story as an animated movie it's called ''Adventures of Buratino", which is very similar to the fairytale.
a proper anime battle between Geppetto and Cherry
While I was randomly looking through our bookshelf, I found a Pinocchio book and wondered if it's the 'off the rails' type. Looked through and looked at the chapter names, AND I REALIZED IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THIS (except translated into estonian)! So I started to watch the video again, and yes, the author is the same
This video is perfect now that I finally watched Pinocchio. (Yes I was apparently living under a rock without realizing since I didn't notice that I've never saw it until recently)
The original animated? Or the remake?
@@geoffreyrichards6079 the original animated one. I've been watching a bunch of old Disney movies lately.
This video helped me Realized Del Toros Pinocchio put a LOT more of The original Pinocchio into it than the Disney one
For context, calling someone a donkey in Italian is a common way to call them ignorant, or just plain stupid, so it may be less that the Cricket's admonishment is foreshadowing, and more that the later transformation is dramatic irony by making our donkey of a puppet into the literal equivalent.
The idea of a "dunce cap" in Italy similarly involves donkey imagery, so it fits quite well with the themes of Pinocchio.
I'm not certain of this, but I imagine calling someone an "ass" in English may have similar origins, rather than being a reference to hindquarters.
If you haven't played American McGee's Grim, I think you should have a looksee!
Because their version of Pinocchio wasn't wrong! And them making said puppet boy a killer was kinda spot on! And the scenes in that game were funny to be honest!
But yes, this is all true with some of the tellings of Pinocchio, including the killing of the cricket (Who name was never Jimminy btw), being turned into a donkey and the fate of the blue fairy.
It's also worth mentioning that in a couple versions of the story, Pinocchio and his dad remain in the belly of the sea creature, and Lampwick's fate is either left unknown or has him killed off in the form of "Remained as a donkey and either died of old age or from being overworked).
I mean HECK, we NEVER got to know what happened to both Lampwick OR the boys/children that were turned into donkeys on Pleasure Island!
Did they remain as donkeys for the rest of their lives, or did the Blue Fairy give them mercy and turned them back into human boys and sent them back home to their families? Sadly, we'll never know.
And unless Disney Studios makes a sequel of the Pinocchio movie, that's a one in a million chance or just straight up never. (And we ALL know how fans of the original movies feel about some of the Disney Sequels in the 2000's).
And to answer abitfrank's question: Is the story of Pinocchio all over the place?
Yes, in a way. It's either a hit or miss for some movies, or a like or dislike for the fans.
In my personal opinion, I've only seen a minor amount of Pinocchio movies. The ONLY ones I recall seeing are Disney's version of Pinocchio, and the Pinocchio movie with Drew Carey as Geppetto. Every other version of the movie I have either never heard, never seen or never seen due to bad reviews. (Disney's live action version being one of them sadly.)
Which version do I like the best? Disney's of course. While there were some plots of the story that were left unaswered, I felt that the story itself kinda stayed true to the original versions of the book stories, but was written in a way that doesn't completely give fans any nightmares (Unfortunately, the donkey transformation scene is ONE of those nightmare fuel scenes.).
At least in ONE of the movie versions of Pinocchio, Lampwick was not only turned back into a boy, but also went back to his family. If Disney ever thinks about doing another remake of Pinocchio, I honestly hope that the Lampwick in that version gets a decent redemption and a better ending than the past versions.
But no matter what version of Pinocchio everybody likes, I do hope they enjoy both the original story and movie forms of Pinocchio and find out for themselves which ones they love the most.
god, the russian adaptation "buratino" was more accurate than the disney one...
Pinocchio is a fever dream 🤣🤣 no matter who's writing it
You know what I really love about this channel! This channel is intriguing, wonderfully animated, as how simple it is but beautiful at the same time and is enjoyable to listen to! On my long drives as I am a courier and have 12-hour shifts driving over 700 miles a day. I also listen to lazy masquerade. Who talks about stories around the world of creepy and spooky things as well as murders. This is such a treat for me! I adore this channel Thank you for making it. 🤍Your new fan.
I think the Disney live action remakes would be better if they weren't remakes of the films, but were able to follow the original stories closer
It’s just like the new Pinocchio on Netflix but instead of fun land the soldier takes the wooden boy to a place where little boys his age learn to become soldiers and serve there country Italy. Also in the beginning Geppetto appears to have a little boy of his own named Carl but was soon killed by a nuclear bomb that was launched at the church. All though Pinocchio had a little bit a bratness in him his was kind. In the Netflix story there is no blue fairy. And the cricket gets squished numerous of times but remains alive. And while Pinocchio was being trained to fight in the Great War the soldier commanded his son to shoot the puppet and clocks the gun and hands it to his son (which is none other than candlewick) and the soldier calls Pinocchio to stand with the gun pointed to his head the soldiers son was not brave enough to pull the trigger. So the soldier starts chasing Pinocchio around the battlefield with a gun trying to aim for Pinocchio but fails and dies of being burned alive. And at the end of Pinocchio Geppetto dies along with the cricket.
I hope y’all can watch the movie of Pinocchio on Netflix it’s an amazing movie I very much so loved it also the music scenes had me hooked I had to watch it three times😂 but these were only spoilers to the movie if you have watched it before comment your fav part bye❤
Definitely check out the demo del Toro version.
There's so many origin stories to Disney's stuff that is dark
It's a shame Disney tries to snuff them out with their own version, only for writers to rewrite the story as unhinged as they can lmao
Cinderella: Life used to suck for me. You have no clue what I've been through.
Pinocchio: Girl..........
I reccomend that all of you check out Guillermo del toro's Pinocchio, its pretty dark but so so cool and honestly, beautiful. its all claymation and the story does not hold back (war, alcoholism, more war, after-life, the pain of imortallity, exploitation, etc etc) but is super cool.
My grandmother gave me this book as a child. I really wanted to like it, but everyone was so unpleasant, even the ones who were nice, that I couldn't get there. There are things about he animated movie that bother me, but there at least I can see the story underneath and who doesn't love Figaro.
I love that this contextualizes a lot of the choices made in Lies of P
If want a version of this story that keeps in all the dark stuff there is a cartoon version from 1979 ( you can it watch free on UA-cam) and live action version (2019) by filmmaker Matteo Garrone
That "fever dream" of yours at the beginning of the video when Pinocchio had the holes that leaked out the water? That wasn't a dream, it's from the 1996 Adventures of Pinocchio staring Jonathan Taylor Thomas.
Funny enough, Rankin/ Bass's Pinocchio's Christmas has a surprising amount of elements from the original story.
Boy,it sure did. I was really impressed with that version of Pinocchio. Writer Romeo Muller knew his children's stories!:-)
No, it wasn't a dream. That was a scene because it was a gag many cartoons used during the time (this movie, in it's release, would have shown against Bugs Bunny, Woody Woodpecker, and all the greats).
Great video! Your style is whimsical and horrifying. I love it!
I feel like you should talk about the surface breaks, by loise’ o Neil it’s a little mermaid adaptation that does have a few Disney and grim references. I know you already made a vid on the dark version of the little mermaid but this book has details that should be talked about!
I was surprised by the since I saw the disney movie first. The murder just... wow
There is an anime from 1976, that put a whole lot more flesh on Pinocchio's charachter. Despite turning Jimminy Cricket into a duckling(don't ask), it's overall closer to the source material than either Disney version.
I'm love in love with your artstyle. :)
You should watch the movie Ink. I think it would be a great film to break down here!
Deltoro definitely goes dark ish with his telling
You know that this song is a „school reading” in like second grade in Poland? I read it and analysed it when I was like 8/9 years old
Good grief, poor cricket :(
As a man I can confirm that any life long friendship starts with insults, pettiness and violence.
its only me, or that Geppetto looks like Gordon Rasmdey with Big Nose 🤣🤣
The pleasure island is the most memorable part for me in all versions.
i like that slowly in every bit of the scenes of the story he slowly becomes more physically humanlike
Guillermo Del Toro’s Pinocchio exists now, wish granted
14:27 i have this exact telling of the story in 2 book my grandparents had (they're mine, now), and that my - now deceased - grandpa used to read me.
there's 22 chapters in the first book; i don't think they're long, but it took Pinocchio 8 chapters to get to the turning point you mentioned.
23:12 not Polecats; they're Beech Martens. here in Italy, we call the animal "Faina", which is my books call them.
i looked up the animal by its Italian name, looked for its scientific name (Martes Foina), then looked up said name and found the English wiki page on the animal: lo and behold, the Beech Marten.
31:20 the word 'Dogfish' ('Pescecane'), in Italian, is the alternate name for a Shark (Squalo).
Piconio always scared the real one it’s so odd I always thought pleasure island was a metaphor for like child s.a.
God that was so freaking uncomfortable to watch as an adult with my kids in the mom. I know I became my mom when I spent nearly that entire part of the story as an example of what the hell not to do. Boy, was the cartoon version reallyyy off putting.
I like that the fox and cat got their just deserts.
Did anyone else see this video's thumbnail and get an eerie sense of terror from sight of it?
Something I realized that BOTH new versions of Pinocchio did was have the wooden boy be basically a replacement son for Gepetto after his real one dies, and I’m not a big fan of that.
I always love your videos! Maybe after the new Del Toro version comes out you can do a comparison video? Even if you don’t I’m sure your next video will be a joy to watch like it always is :)
"A spelling book" - Do you think the concept of a Wizard's "Spellbook" came from the time when most of the population were illiterate?
So to your layman, being able to make sense of words on paper may have seemed like magic.
I gotta be honest, I never understood how being hung by the neck could kill Pinocchio as Carlo Collodi had originally intended. I mean if his neck were made of cork, I could buy that, but no, the book clearly states that he was made from a single piece of pine. The name Pinocchio itself means "Pine Eye" in Italian, further reinforcing it. Collodi continuing the story where he left off surprisingly made more sense . . . or rather as much sense as a demented story like that can have.
2 b honest Pinocchio always scared the hell outta me as a kid. & now it makes sense. Except now I like the scary stuff so I'm thinkin I'll watch it again. It'll definitely b more interesting now that I saw ur amazing video
22:59 this is just how Cú Chulainn got his name but less epic and more sad
Your voice is so soothing! I would listen to you retell stories any day ❤️
I absolutely LOVE this version and and now prefer it over Disney
I would love to hear your impressions of Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio that was released on Netflix this year. It's an incredible stopmotion animation retelling of the story of Pinocchio. The character designs are amazing, and they have a unique telling of the story in no relation to other radiations. It also appears to share some things from the original story.
Everything about the original was better than the Disney version....having the main character start off unlikable is good in finding out how to decent story.
Please do The wizard of Oz next
personally the Adventures of Pinocchio by Carlo Collodi is one of my favourite stories
This was so macabre and fascinating.
In Italian "pleasure island" is "Il Paese dei Balocchi", which in its closest translation might be the Land of Toys or maybe the Land of Fun/Entertainment.
Where did the Land of Boobies come from?
Could it have been some misprint from a Land of Goodies?
Oh, right, and Dogfish is an old timey name for a Shark!
What version of the story did I read that seemed to just be the end of the Assassin/Dead Child arc where Pinocchio is taken in and nursed to health, does smth stupid, comes back and apologizes and asks to marry the Fairy
i think this is miles better than the disney version, i feel like theres actually more morals in the og than in the disney one. This has the dangers of ignorance, consequences, listening to your parents, and having a moral compass. The disney version just feels like a silly kids movie
kids could learn mroe from the og and kids would just have fun at the disney ver, i think both are very good but the og is just so much better
I love how you pulled up cuphead at 15:51
You should do one on Spamton G Spamton, it sounds right up your alley, Deltarune, a seemingly innocent game turned scary due to a salesman a bit down on luck...
Now I can't unsee Spamton and Kris
Thanks for doing this! the Collodi original doesn't get nearly enough attention (it's one of my favorite books ever; I had a weird childhood).
I never thought of "poledina" as "pudding" - my edition has it as "cornmeal mush" - but I think I like "pudding" even better, LOL!
I like the illios you have here, but have you seen the 1911 illios by Attilio Mussino? They are nothing short of amazing. But I guess we all love the version we were brought up with best. Seriously, tho, you want a scary Fire-Eater or truly terrifying Green Fisherman? look no further than the 1911 edition, which seriously gave little me nightmares...
I grew up knowing the basic story of Pinocchio from a Living Storybook. The first Pinocchio cartoon I saw was in Fractured Fairy Tales(The Pinocchio Doody Show). I always remember fondly the British Edition of Pinocchio I read in the second grade bookcase.:-) When,at age 7 I saw Walt Disney's Pinocchio, I saw it as just that...WALT DISNEY's Pinocchio.
Jiminy in the thumbnail is enjoying himself too much. XD
Man that new Blue Fairys wings had some Eldritch Horror vibes!!🐙
If only Disney did the original
I could listen to your voice for hours on end you're so good it's almost like ASMR.
I hope this comment doesn't come across as creepy, or would that be a compliment? Considering the content of your channel and all?
My favorite part of these stories is "I/we'll settle it at once"
I thought that the original story was pinocchio kxllxng childrens in the woods and peeling their skin before putting it on his wooden skin to become a normal boy? Or was that another version? Either way, I think I like this one better, far from the gruesome version I grew up with.
That's the story I grew up reading
I have never watched the disney version - I have no interest in it
But it feels incriminating to hear someone say that this very story, that has been the limelight of my toddlerhood, is somehow "dark" and "creepy"
I mean. I get it. I just can't relate