Publishers Are Killing Games, But We Can Help Stop Them
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Visit the website www.stopkillinggames.com to see how you can help
Ross's Video: • The largest campaign e...
Thanks to @TurboReiji for the footage: • The Crew [FULL GAME]
There's an ongoing debates about whether or not we're in a good period for gaming right now. And personally I am of the opinion that I think on average gaming is better than it's ever been. Because on one hand, we have access to all of gaming history up until now, whether legally or questionably legally, and on the other hand, we have more gaming variety than ever thanks to Indie gaming and to a certain extent even modern Triple A gaming especially compared to the era where everything was for example Uncharted or call of duty. But there are people out there who do believe that gaming is worse off now than it's ever been, and everyone has their own personal reasons for this. I won't go into the majority of that because a lot of it is just meaningless buzzwords. But there are definitely issues with the modern industry, And one issue in particular that does not get talked up enough is something that is downright destructive to the history of gaming and could get a whole lot worse in the future. Simply put, games dying.
#stopkillinggames
Ubisoft: gamers need to get used to not owning games
Me: Ubisoft needs to get used to not having my money
"I don't advocate piracy, but I also don't advocate companies that give players no choice." -Raycevick
if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
The debate if piracy constitutes stealing is (a) one of semantics and (b) unrelated to whether or not buying is owning.
Here's a quotes about why Physical Media is important:
"And in the case of 'Oppenheimer,' we put a lot of care and attention into the Blu-Ray version… and trying to translate the photography and the sound, putting that into the digital realm with a version you can buy and own at home and put on a shelf so no evil streaming service can come steal it from you." -Christopher Nolan
I can't believe I have finally found someone who remembers Playfish. Good to see TBP is as cultured as ever.
As someone who bought the Ultimate Edition of this game, it is absolutely disgusting that not only a game that I bought with money doesn't work because it can't connect to a server despite all of the content of the game being stored on a disc, but it gets taken away from me without me agreeing to it.
The digital age is worrying and dystopian. We need to preserve ownership of our media, whether it be games, movies or music.
You have more ownership over a digital game you get on GOG than you do a physical copy of an online only game. There’s physical copies of the crew, and those don’t work either.
Its less a digital thing and more a drm thing
@@paulaccuardi9071 Physical copies can be dumped and run on an emulator, the crew probably has custom servers made by fans. It really depends, but what should be the main point is that the game was deleted from players libraries.
@@shinyrayquaza9 well you can make a non drm digital game to physical if u wish to do so!
I really want people to realize that if more games are online only, piracy doesn't make a difference. This isn't targeted to you. Great video, honestly! But this is to anyone else.
Piracy and preservation can sometimes go hand in hand, but online only games can't be pirated
It's strange people can make a game movie or product they actively want to destory or put no care into to keep the IP or something.
Feels like a bigger waste of time and money than keeping something you don't want
It's my IP to sit on and do nothing with!
It's spite. They know that if it goes into public domain, fan creators will go wild with it.
@@Warrior-Of-Virtue that and probably make a better product.
But it's more on selling toys or getting funds from the og product instead.
Developers and publishers are different people normally. Developer making a product, publisher selling it and destroying it to sell more other products.
Good example is how Related Designs (Ubisoft Mainz) tried to save Anno 2070... from Ubisoft Entertainment.
Saw Ross's original video, but I'm glad you're also helping to spread awareness
It makes me sad that one day if only online games continue existing that I won't be able to play one of my favourite games from when I was 11, Garden Warfare 2.
Honestly surprised the first game even has active servers anymore let alone the second game, bought it again a few months ago for ps4 since i had it on ps3 and its still just as fun as i remebered
Garden Warfare 2 doesn't require a server connection, unlike battle for neighborville and I'm sure can get custom servers, unless you mean console then you would also need a modded console and pray you have a chad group like pretendo making game servers for that device
Honestly we’re getting very close to the point where we’re losing the ability to own and preserve many of these games and I hate that.🐱
this thing reminds me of the servers and eshop for the 3ds and wiiu
Its just pure greed from ubisoft, even the terrible marvel avengers game was given an offline mode when they delisted the game which shows the publisher somewhat cared regardless of what you think of the games quality, but then again you cant expect much more from a company like ubisoft whos higher up publicly said "players should get used to not owning their games"
Why don't more people do the Dragons Quest X route? The game going offline? Good news: Its now Dragons Quest X Offline, so you van still play it long after the servers are dead and gone.
The cool thing is, DQ X isnt even offline.
It still gets updates and those updates get ported over the offline version. They just made a more accessable offline game that plays more like a traditional DQ game and onboard more people to the live version.
You can even import your offline save to start the online version at lvl 70 and other bonuses.
If the game ever goes offline, the work is pretty much already done and you could still experience the story, world, characters, etc. on the dev/artists' terms with the offline version.
Now if only they would officially localize it...
That's the thing Ross wants. Sure, you can shut down your servers but give us a way to play the game offline. That's all. It isn't hard, just update the game so it isn't reliant on those online servers being up.
@CH-cc4lf Depending on game that can actually be a multi thousand dollar project just to get the game in that state if not more. Absolutley it can and should he the standard, but it is not a free conversion process
this needs to be more widespread. They can't keep getting away with this.
That's why we as consumers need to try and get this heard
Many years ago some developers, at least on PC, had the decency to bring a last update to remove the server connection. Sometimes to play it with a private server.
Games like „The Crew“ don‘t even need a server to play on. It‘s a pure singleplayer game. And nonetheless you get screwed.
And an other thing with „ The Crew“… the two sequels suck.
Every single gaming channel needs to heed Ross Scott's call to action. Good on you TBP!
they killing not games
they killing self reputation
_(reasons to buy something from this company)_
The more awareness spread about this movement, the better.
I'm glad you took the positive position on gaming at the start of the video. I've heard no end of whinging from people who think the only games you can play are the newest, biggest games from well established publishers.
Even then the people who pretend like every AAA game is broken and unplayable just want to be angry and toxic. Broken, rushed and unfinished games have been a thing since the Atari 2600. Bad games have always existed but there's more games being made than ever before so there will be more bad games.
I'm old. I've been gaming since the NES and I will say modern day gamers are spoiled. They think a 7/10 game is "Dogshit" when a majority of games throughout time have been 7/10 games but we only remember the good games or the ones we grew up with. There's so many choices these days.
If purchasing isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft. Companies will fuel piracy with their terrible practices. DRM is already one force that compels people to pirate.
To have your games revoked later, at $70 per game, it's a no-brainer to see piracy as an attractive means to get your games. Especially when the industry is looking for the smallest reasons to nickel and dime you anyway.
I don't support Ubisoft anymore. Games being online only and games shutting down and insane $130 edition for Star Wars Outlaws
blizzard has been doing this for decades with classic wow
that's why they "remade" it to sucker the next generation with 15 dollar subs that they were losing back before classic wow "classic wow " is just wow with a new coat a paint being resold to you and when someone tries to make a private server they are cease and desisted blizzard refuses to allow private servers and has stated thing similar like we don't need a private server cuz they know more about it i'm paraphrasing but it was basically that
which should shock no one as this something they do all the time
what you don't have phones?
This is why i just started buying ps2 games again. They're not going anywhere and i can legally back them up.
Star ocean anamenisis (sorry for the bad spelling) and final fantasy record keeper were my favorite and then killed off. I had sunken more money then I'm willing to admit to support games I love.
I always thought that laws in the videogame aspect should be revisited.
Like I think they should make that if a game release over a decade ago isn't available to be purchased (at least digitally) and be played on current hardware it should be legal to be pirated since the company isn't getting any sales anyway and show no interest either. However if they want that piece of cake, they would have to put actual effort on it and made the game available.
On this matter, I think if a company made a game with obligatory connection to their servers to be play, they should be prohibited to close the servers and/or take the game down.
That way they think twice before taking that decision and we win as we would see better online only/live service games since they would try to actually release good games and not to maintain the servers of a bad game that isn't giving them any sales
I mean there is a category for it, abandonware. There are plenty of websites (at least for PC games) that host downloads to abandonware and a majority of the time the files are not removed. Yeah, it's a grey area but I think as long as the rights holders aren't trying to remove it it's fine to download and play.
However these are all mostly older titles.
Always Online Games suck and big AAA gaming companies are killing gaming and scaming gamers with Micro Transactions! Star Wars Outlaws is a Single Player game with a Always Online Feature. A single player game!
Multiplayer games didn’t used to be always online either. It used to be you could host it yourself or play with bots.
This is one of many examples of "A rich man's trick"
When I saw the Yongyea’s video about this, I’m all yeah, I don’t want video games, let alone any media, to suffer at the hands of the corporations, let alone the American people who are still supporting streaming services like a bunch of brainwashed zombies, and that’s reason why I don’t support ANY streaming service, and began supporting that website to make sure that video games are saved, and to serve as an example to save other pieces of media from being lost in time.
We already loss. We already don't own these.
Remember Battleborn? Came out 2016. I have it on Steam. Can't play it. It's dead.
Remember the entire SAGA of Magic the Gathering yearly releases 2012-2015? GONE. Years ago.
These are just examples. This has been going on for at least a decade. We lost ages ago.
Yep no one cares about those games but when the crew gets hit everyone now complain honestly I don't care cause I haven't played the crew like years ago when this deletion of the crew give little feelings from me cause I will just accept it and move on cause we sighed the terms of service and end of user license and there's nothing we can do about it.
The quote on the thumbnail is from Ross’s Battleforge video. That game died in 2013.
A key point of preservation is availability, which is why I say physical is always better for it. You can back up a game yourself if you physically own it, but digital stores have games pulled all the time.
I went to CeX last year and bought Outrun 2 on Xbox for £10 after it was pulled from digital stores, ripped it to my SSD and now I can emulate it any time I want.
I went to buy Daytona USA and the only options now are Saturn, Dreamcast or PC CD. All digital versions are gone.
There should be some kind of mandate for a physical version of games as well as digital, otherwise countless media will be lost to time.
People have fallen for the "physical bad" push from the big corporations who want absolute control over what you consume and when, they talk of "data rot" but I have SEGA CD games going on 30+ years old, ripping just fine to my SSD, some I picked up recently, yet those same games on digital stores are gone.
You can still buy a UMD PSP game, you can't however buy ANY of the thousands of digital PSP games legally anymore.
Digital is convenient, but that's the ONLY benefit to it. Licenses expired? Gone. Publisher wants to delist it to push sales of the new GTA downgrade edition? Gone. Want to buy /rebuy a game years later? Tough.
Digital media is fine. It can be way better then physic as digital is easier to storage, transport, manage, duplicate, etc. it’s just all these shitty companies making it such a pain. And the worse part is these same shitty companies control physic media too
that's capitalism, baybee
Daily reminder to stop buying bad games from companies who hate you.
Daily reminder that if you like a game there is nothing wrong with buying it legally
@@lukethelegend9705 but if its from a greedy publisher, who wont let you own the copy no matter how much money you throw at them, then piracy is a must, and it is not stealing.
Is there a link to the list at 2:35?
Try looking it up and find some. There are probably dozens
Always online games helping to prevent piracy is a fabricated narrative these companies want you to believe. It's the only halfway decent leg for them to stand on, but falls apart like a house of cards when you realize that a lot of people wouldn't bother buying the game at all if it's always-online in the first place. So what sales you would've lost through piracy, you just end up losing through people being completely uninterested with supporting an insidious and overly controlling business practice like that.
💥💥In my opinion gaming has been trash after 2012.
You said there's more variety. I don't get what you talking about there. We don't have any boxing games we don't have variety for sports. It just one NFL game no college football or basketball games and one NBA basketball game now.
Now it's just one NHL game. Back in the 2000s and '90s you had way more variety and choices and each genre.
If you didn't like Madden you can play NFL game day, quarterback club, NFL fever, NFL 2K. Tecmo bowl, joe Montana sports talk,
We had tones of college basketball games and college football games. Happy even had arena football games in the 2000s.
If You didn't like NBA live, you could play NBA action, NBA shootout, NBA showdown, NBA streets, NBA ballers, NBA 2K and it was other NBA games and baseball games.
Same thing with hockey and basketball
The variety in racing games back in the '90s and especially the 2000s was way more deeper. Gran Turismo you had Colin McRae rally you had other rally games. Project Gotham racing , Forza started coming out with their games. you had to test drive series, driver, burnout, blur, split second, need for speeds games, midnight clubs and many more.
The amount of adventure games that you had back in the 90s and 2000s it was so many of them.
I don't think there's enough variety now.
Tactical Bacon theres official eu petition now live. If we can get milion signs then "stop killing video games" will become law. Can you pls talk about it? This needs more people to know about it in order to succeed. And if anybody else is reading this and lives in eu pls support this action by signing petition.
I hope the gaming industry won't turn such shady practices as the standard norm.
Already has
Something I think gets overlooked by the movement is deletion from library, that should be the main focus as many of these have fan made servers goin. Now it would be great to get offline and remove useless server connections Im looking at you battle for neighborville, but I think removal of a purchased license from a user after a live service game ends is scummy and I'm schocked overwatch fans didn't cause an outrage. Atleast counter strike 2 lets you play csgo from the betas tab
Yeah that's why i prefer cd then digital because they remove if the game had purchased by us. #StopKillingGames
The crew has physical copies. Physical copies don’t protect you against anything because they dont put the server software on the disc.
@@paulaccuardi9071 yeah but atleast we can play offline . And that's why i prefer more offline campaign games instead of online like cod, ubisoft games, mortal kombat 11,1 etc
Im probably in the wrong place asking this but can someone tell me why assassin's creed black flag and unity isn't in my games list not only that but farcay 3 & 4 360 are also missing
"or you know otherwise"
"otherwise" is the only option actually. if you wanna play old games with fixes to properly work on modern systems.
Well, i think youll be happy to know that sony ended its games as a service business model back in February
If games companies are gonna unplug the official servers then they need to patch in both an offline mode and or the ability to connect to and host private servers before discontinuing support.
on a sidenote, where did you get your french map from? its funny seeing (what i think is) wallonia eaten up by france
Ubisoft: Get used to not owning your games.
Me: Then get used to not owning my money.
This day is going to come for _Grand Theft Auto Online._ And that is going to be the day the shit hits the fan.
Hasn't the crew been dead? Still destroying a game you paid for is wrong.
The people talking about piracy don’t understand the issue. The crew was never pirated. It cannot be pirated, and as a result it is dead forever. Pirates aren’t playing these games. Nobody is playing them. They’re dead.
It could be pirated but the amount of work needed is beyond reason. And now that the game is shut down, the opportunity to even data mine the servers is gone.
This is why I’ve been playing through my old PS2 collection more often lately
Aye I pulled out my ps2 to play some ps1 and ps2 games.
Blizzard has something of an opposite response in particular in the case of Overwatch 2 where it’s sort of the same game but worse and they retract all the promises they set out.
*The Crew was a great game, it just needed an offline mode....why couldn't they patch that in??? why is The Division 1 and 2 only online??! why ruin the life of your games like this???? UbiSoft is a class in how to build something Great and then ruin it all with bad decisions 👎 by 2030, Rockstar Games will be the only AAA developer left standing.*
its sad rayman run doesn't exist anymore
Damn right! 👍✊ #stopkillinggames
I hate that I feel compelled to give Fallout 76 a 5th chance, because I have fomo for game I already own.
Literally watched Scott's vid a few days ago. Im glad the FOMO factor was mentioned here because it was something I dont this I was mentioned in his videos.
Fight the powa!
Preservation is a joke these days
I wish more games took the Megaman Dive approach, it was a mobile game (pc too) that they no longer wanted to support so they made an offline version at the end of the games lifespan.
Hello there, don't know if it's relevant with this video per se but I must get something off my shoulders.
There was a video game developer company named Surreal Software which made 2 games named "Drakan" where you ride a flying dragon in a semi-open world.
Both games didn't perform good enough financially so the developers abandoned this franchise and moved on to other projects instead and partnered with Midway.
Problem is that in 2011 they both closed down after bankruptcy and Surreal Software got absorbed into Monolith Productions which is owned by Warner Bros.
Granted I could be misremembering but the "Drakan" IP lies in purgatory between Sony and Warner Bros, with both games considered sadly abandonware.
So this means people can only preserve and play them by illegally downloading them from the Internet (both "Drakan" games are sadly very hard to acquire).
Warner Bros and Sony aren't doing anything with this IP, either putting them on websites like Steam or trying to revive the series with remakes and/or sequels.
Really want a "Drakan 3" game being officially made then released, and so I don't know if this movement/petition of yours will help me of achieving my dream.
Good video, but the term "enshittification" would have added a lot to this. The publishers are not selling games, but licenses to a thingl. This applies to streaming services or anything short of physical media. By far the best way to stop this practice, of publishers abusing their audience, is to not support, at any level, the live services or games where publishers can't be bothered to keep games going, which needs collectivization from gamers.
There is an alarming number of people who are ok with this and victim blame. Cause you know we should have read 100 pages of ula.
This is why I'm still baffled why Ubisoft decided to make Just Dance Next an online game. Sure, you can 40 download songs but now you own 2 editions with each having 40 songs. I still pretty much like the game but the fact that the game is online only, the bugs and glitches, and the amount of songs in Just Dance +, and the possibility of this game being removed and unplayable when the servers shut down makes me think the top heads at Ubisoft doesn't care while the employees do seem to care making this game especially when I played the game but sadly they (including the game's director) had to follow the top head's decisions.
You should be able to own a game even if it's a digital License.
Mortal Kombat 9 got delisted from Steam a couple years ago but, that doesn't stop me from opening up Steam and Downloading MK9 and playing it because I own that game
NRS didn't pull a Ubisoft and stopped us from downloading it
but, with MK 11, as soon as the servers shut down, then almost all the "content" is lost forever because the Krypt and the Story Rewards and customization are online only
You put so much work into these videos it's insane, absolutely love em. You are one of the best gaming UA-cam channels. Great narrations and great topics. Thanks for everything you do.
I can't fucking poop
The Redemption for VIDEO GAME!!!
I've been high on not giving Ubisoft business for a long time. They are the worst publishing company in the entire gaming landscape, id rather have to pay to be able to compete in an EA game than give a dollar to Ubisoft ever again
Oh good, you're broadcasting the message as well. Ross will need help getting the word out
Its even worse woth free to play games especially MMO's
Anyone else remember spellbreak
I think the 3rd reason for shutting the game down is server costs, why waste the money to keep the servers up. Instead we shut down one game save money there, funnel players to the other game and make money there. Or the worst Ubisoft shutdowns crew 2 in a years time and then shortly after announces crew 3 and releases it at $70 with micro transactions, pre order early access at a higher price and a season pass.
This kind of problem is one where i don't think there really is a good solution. It affects indie and AAA games the same because running a server isn't free. Until a new way to run, fund, or circumvent, the server costs are found this just the reality.
Can you play the crew? Why not? Then I guess, it's not always online is it? Always online is a bait and switch and no company is allowed to do it
you can not play the crew anymore (not on pc anyway), the game is inactive on Ubisoft Connect, you can't even install it (no option). People who installed it can still launch it, but it will be a demo, not a full game.
Shout out to ross scott
I miss black out
Excellent video
I heard all about this on SmashJT. I’m in.
I think what needs to happen is games stop being released exclusively on servers, servers take up a lot of physical and digital space often required entire rooms just to store and that space can fill up far too quickly if they release all games on these servers thus more games have to be "killed" just to make room for newer games that take up even more space, that constant reshuffling of server space probably isn't healthy for the servers and probably would light them on fire
Torrents are your friends
The issue is about games that have no torrents because they are impossible to crack.
I find the resident evil remakes to be a slap in the face
You vill own nothing and you vill be happy
Thank you for commenting on this.
good to see Ross's cause getting more attention
thanks for spreading the word!
Great to see you covering this
we should probably start #boycottubisoft too tbh
I was still playing crew
Do not forget about the time when Trump tried to ban video games in response to real life gun violence.
People try this since the 90s. Hilary Clinton tried the same in that decade.
When?
Ok and? Is Trump trying to ban video games right now? No, he's not.
The Great Preset
It feels like it's AI who make games these days.
The with this movement is a thing call trem of service and end of user license assignment those which means whenever the the punisher or dev wants to delete their games they can whenever they want we sign this and accept this for a long time now but when the Crew the great racing game gets deleted everyone complains you know there's no way to winning this cause they have a right to do this anyway time they want to cause until people stop accepting the contact then change will come until then things will be the same
But Friday the 13th isn't always online and can be played solo with bots.
Game values are all different and yet they all cost the same. Gamers have no standards
@@mancuniangamecat8288 i can comment where i want 😂
@@Wetcameraincand make yourself sound like a complete moron at the same time, congratulations on that.👏😂
@@Wetcamerainc
And make yourself look a proper tool.😂
@@Wetcameraincgrow up child
Good on you for mentioning this. Ross is a real one (I know you mentioned you really liked his channel.)
Also for anybody who hasn't checked out Ross' channel his Game Dungeon series is really entertaining. One of those channels that when you find it you binge all his videos.