Player development and the minor leagues: OOTP Tutorial for Beginners
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2020
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Some tips for players development, when to promote/demote prospects, and how to structure your minor league system - Ігри
Just got into OOTP a week ago and you've become the best resource I've found to learn the ins and outs of the game. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much, Lucas! Let me know if you have any questions as you play more.
me too i’ve watched all his tips
I've always put my top prospects into a shortlist. This way u can disable AI demotion/promotion in one click and then when ur looking at your rosters for minor leagues or trade screen the names will be in all caps to make them more noticeable
Ah cool, that sounds handy. Shortlists can definitely be helpful.
How do you make a shortlist ?
thanks for posting these tutorials. the Orioles series was the whole reason i bought OOTP for the first time this year. i know i've commented a few times on your videos, but all of them have been really helpful to me. one thing that i have found when deciding when to move players up is the "Ratings Relative to..." box, especially with drafted players. it helps me decide where to put them for their first year or when it may be time to call up other players during/after the season, along with their stats.
Excellent call on the "relative to" ratings. That can be a really useful tool and I'll include that if I record I second video on managing the minor leagues.
Another great tutorial video, many thanks. So much to take in with this game but loving just getting to know some of it through your efforts.
It’s a lot to learn but you’ll get there!
Hey Pfholden thanks for the thought and work that went into these videos. Love baseball but tbh this game is a tad much at times and these videos are great at explaining!
Hey Peter, Thanks! Glad they were helpful. The game is definitely really detailed and deep, but you can also tailor it a bit to the parts you enjoy. Let me know if there's anything not covered in the videos that would be helpful.
@@pfholden what do you do about star players who want huge deals? ex: Realmuto wants 45 mil a year for 8 years. Feels like doing it is a suicidal deal for trying to fill out the team, but also its an objective from the owner to resign him. Thanks in advance!
Peter,
it's really hard to say for sure without knowing all of the context of s budget, your minor league depth, other players due for raises soon etc. But, in as vacuum, $45 mil per year is pretty crazy. I doubt he'll sign for that much. But he's also one of the best catchers in baseball, so maybe worth trying to sign him to an expensive, but less unreasonable deal. And, if you're playing as the Phillies, they do have a huge budget, so...
Great video. I will come back to this when I start my next sim
Hey Paco, I think before you were waiting to buy the game, right? What do you think so far?
pfholden next sim will be my first sim. I purchased the game on Steam the other day, but I am still without a computer. Really close though. I’m looking at the HP Envy as my main option
awesome, let me know how it goes once you get started.
Thank you so much for this video. Vry helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks man!
Hey mate, love these videos. Really helpful for new players. I had wondered, would you ever consider doing a video on 'How to evaluate your team/where to improve' for example maybe simming to the trade deadline with a couple of different teams (to show budget differences etc) then analysing whats working for them and whats not and how to plug those gaps either via trades or looking in their minor leagues etc.
Only reason i ask is that i feel like a lot of the analysis is dependant on context, for example if a team is winning/losing, has money/lacks money etc and it would be cool to see your approach to those!
I find that my player for player analysis has improved over time but sometimes my team look like we're doing okay via our team stats in relation to the rest of the league, however we still end up with a bad record.
Hey Tom, Glad the videos have been helpful. You're right that it's hard to talk specifics in these videos since everyone's team is different. I tried to address this in a couple videos, here are a few things that may help:
1) How to build a winning team: ua-cam.com/video/kvnoLM6uSwA/v-deo.html
2) Why does my team suck: ua-cam.com/video/2ogu8emnxOg/v-deo.html
3) Some videos from my O's franchise may be helpful in how I think through specifics
4) If you ever wanted to e-mail me a copy of your sim with some specific questions, I could always record a video looking at your team.
@@pfholden Ah thanks so much for the link to these 2, I hadnt gotten to them yet and will watch ASAP! Look forward to checking out the O's franchise too as I always enjoy long form content.
I'm in a second year Diamondbacks franchise at the moment so will put your tips to use and see how I get on
Sounds good, Tom. Let me know if you want me to take a closer look.
@@pfholden Wow, that's fantastic that something like that is possible and something you are willing to take on to help someone. Shows a real love for the sport and particularly the game 👏
Great vid. How often do you recomend checking minors for promotions/demotions? I usually do it every two months.
Yeah, every two months is reasonable. I take a look at my minor league teams often but in terms of promoting more than maybe one or two outliers, I do something similar to you. I check at the end of May, the all-star break, and then in the offseason.
You’re the man!
No, you are!
As always great video been following for few months. Today's question is about the minor league farm system teams. In the video you mentioned you have 2 teams at each level up to A ball. Can you elaborate more on the strategy here? Is it to move more prospect s thru the funnel, or to have teams split between coaching like power and finesse pitching?
Yeah it’s so I have enough teams for my young prospects so I don’t have to cut bait too early due to overcrowded rosters. I don’t really pay too much attention to the type of coach or specialty, just that they are good coaches.
Finding your videos really useful, thank you. I sometimes find myself simming quite a lot as GM is there any tips for when to look at promotions, waivers, contract renewals or is it just when feels good
Actually think you covered some of that by making sure prospects aren’t on the bench so will need to check every month or so
Hey Stephen,
It really depends on how you want to play the game. I've had sims where I sim 2-4 weeks at a time but I generally sim one day at a time. The main reason is, as GM, I like to make sure my bullpen has enough fresh arms for each game. If my bullpen is tired, I'll swap a guy to AAA for a fresh arm. Waivers is not another thing you may want to check daily.
And yeah, for minor leagues, I do mass promotions like twice per year (halfway point and before the start of season) but keep an eye on the teams ervery 2-4 weeks.
I have been playing the game for 3 weeks, your videos have really help me. I just have been struggling at one thing, my rookies just seem to not work well in the majors, what's the difference between a rough rookie season and a player that's not ready for mlb yet? I only call up players that are tearing up AAA.
Hey John,
Glad the videos have been helpful. It really could be any number of things with why your rookies are struggling. It does take a lot of guys some time to adjust to the majors. And guys sometimes have bad years, just like in real life. Your coaching or team chemistry could also be a factor. And how much slack you give a guy before sending him back down depends on if you're trying to win or rebuilding and who your replacements are.
I know that's not a very direct answer, but there could be a lot of reasons why your guys are struggling, and it likely isn't just one thing.
Thanks for these videos, and I cannot remember if you have covered this in one of your videos, but do you have any recommendations on what you look for when hiring minor league coaches?
The coaching system is one of the weak spots in the game and I don't have advice I'd put much stock in. Many people say don't pay attention to reputation, look at development and relationships. The relationships are definitely important, you don't want a manager who has bad relationship with most of your players. I've yet to notice much of an impact from development. To be honest, I pay some attention to reputation, even though it's actual impact may be null, relationships, and track record.
@@pfholden thanks for the info! Appreciate all the knowledge you are sharing!
Yeah man, let me know if you have any more questions
@@pfholden oh, I think there’s a good chance I’ll be hounding you with more questions … this game has so much depth!
@@mattkrob4395 I'm blown away by the depth involved. I really can't think of anything at any time that has a similar level of complexity. So pleased I came across it.
Hi, great videos, making life easy on everyone, thanks :)
I have some issues in deciding what to do with players on AZL, DSL and Rookie levels. It first seemed to me that these are all the same levels but I thing DSL for example refers to a league in Dominican Republic. I am not sure when these leagues begin or if they have different levels of quality between them. I'd appreciate if you could shed some light on these as well :)
Hey Erdem. Glad the videos have been helpful. In terms of the levels you mentioned, they are all rookie leagues, so there is generally no difference of quality between them. There may be small differences if, for example, teams have a stronger roster for their AZL team than their DSL. But in general, these levels are the same. Rookie ball seasons generally start in. mid-late June after the draft and run through the end of August.
@@pfholden Thanks for the quick answer. So that means I should not be worried about the lack of total players throughout my rookie level teams because I'll be able to fill them with fresh drafted rookies come June... Good to know :)
Would you say that there should be some vague age limits for every level when considering cutting / demoting / promoting players? For example a guy who is 24 should not be playing rookie level baseball anymore so I am trying to give him a chance in A - AA levels before deciding to cut him or not. Say, is 22 an upper limit for Rookie level and 24-25 for AA? Does that sound logical in Baseball terms?
It will vary by player and it depends on when they were drafted. For example, I may have more patience with a 22 year old in rookie ball who was just drafted this year than a 22 year old there who was drafted at 18 and has been there for 4 years. It also depends on what my scout thinks their overall potential is. If a guy is struggling in rookie ball and old for the level, but my scout thinks highly of him, I'll have more patience with him than a guy who my scout thinks will never be good.
Your age cutoff seems fine, maybe a little higher than I go in general. But those work as a guideline while keeping in mind there's no one rule to follow that fits every player.
@@pfholden Thanks for the help. Looking forward to your future videos :)
Sure thing. Let me know if there are topics you'd like to see covered in a video.
I just turned on the ghost players and released all 20yo+ players lower than half star potential. Am I wrong for doing this? The ones with half star potential, do they ever turn into a good player?
Not very often, but yes, 20 potential players (half-star) can turn into good players.
Thanks for the video. I am new to the game and have a problem in that my minor league stats are zeroed out. How do I get the sim to work for my minor leaguers. I don't seem to have this problem with the big league, only with the minors.
Make sure on the drop down menus at the top of the stats page you’re looking at, it’s selected for the right league. For example, sometimes the drop down is showing major league stats, but for your AAA team you want to select AAA stats.
You may have said this in a previous tutorial video, but where do you place drafted players in their first year typically?
Hey Anthony, I place almost everyone in rookie ball to start. If I've drafted an advanced college player, I may start them in low A or A, but I don't normally do that. But, I'll promote pretty aggressively from rookie ball for the guys who are clearly advanced. If a drafted player, especially college-aged, gets off to a hot start in rookie ball and my scout think the player has advanced skills, I'll promote after a few weeks. Generally, I like to have most of my college players to full-season A-ball the season after they are drafted, if not sooner.
Okay sweet I'm going to try that. I've been watching your videos for the past month or so, and they're not only entertaining, but super helpful in explaining a game with a lot of parts. Thanks for putting in the effort, keep it up :)
Thanks, Anthony, That's nice of you to say. Let me know if there are other topics that some videos may be helpful on.
Thanks for another great guide. Im european so my knowledge in baseball stats is really low. Hockey, Football and Basketball are okay but baseball is a problem. Is it possible to make or recommend a video uaefull in that regard for ootp
Hey Dan,
I've made a few that may be helpful.
For OOTP pitching stats: ua-cam.com/video/VoewgS2Rpjg/v-deo.html
OOTP batting stats: ua-cam.com/video/Nx5WhabHthQ/v-deo.html
And for more general baseball stats tutorials (although there's overlap):
video one: ua-cam.com/video/CmYRBx28FVo/v-deo.html
video two: ua-cam.com/video/rPESRhCYArc/v-deo.html
Im still new to the game and your videos are very helpful. I am very much a creature of my start-o-matic type gaming but i get the distinct impression that although the game allows it the best way to play isnt to play every single game at the micro level but rather to play if more from the 50000 foot level. Do you agree with that? Curious as to your thought. Also how good is the game engine for the actual playing of the baseball games in your opinion. Thanks
I agree that OOTP is more suited for a GM role than the manager role. But I think both roles are fun and worthwhile. I just think the real meat of the game is the day to day GM tasks rather than inning by inning manager task, but there are certainly people who play it just as the manager.
@@pfholden Thanks. Your videos are extremely helpful.
Glad they’ve helped. Let me know if you have any questions.
@@pfholden actually one more question. In setting up to start with 2020as full season ive set the games to 162 but how do i get the new schedule? Will it just generate itself at the necessary time. Right now it is still starting in July. Thanks
There should be a checkbox option when you set up a new game to play a 60-game schedule. I haven’t done that myself but have seen the option.
i have been playing since 19 and still dont know how to really manage the minors but i need to get a method on how to start but this has been very helpful. i just have to remember to look at my majors but how often should it be?
Sorry, not totally sure what you’re asking. When you’re asking how often to look at the majors, what role are you playing?
@@pfholden sorry. i am the gm
When I’m the GM, Iook at my minors and majors about twice a month to look at stats, injuries etc.
@@pfholden i have A.I control on call ups and call downs but i would like to control all call ups and call downs. Do you check ALL yours league from Rookie to AAA?
Yeah, but normally it’s just a quick glance. I only do mass promotions like twice per year. Once in July and then in the offseason.
Just wanted to get your take, i started a fictional league, based on mlb structure. Triple and double A are full of old guys who are never going to see the majors. Should i just cut everyone over 30, or will that force younger prospects to be promoted too quickly
I've never mass cut players like that, so I'm not sure if it would cause players to get promoted too soon. Maybe it'll sort itself out as you get a years into the league and more players have been drafted and moved up through the system...?
Thanks for the video man. What do I do? I have a young catcher (22), he is really good defense wise but below average in hitting. He crushed triple A, 110 ops+ and 4.5 in wins above replacement rating but when I promoted him to mlb, he started struggling now 68 ops+ I kinda that but in defense he sucks also.
Hey Daniel, Depends on some things, but sounds like a guy worth keeping. Any catcher with good defense is valuable, especially if this guy can improve his hitting a bit. He crushed AAA pitching and is still only 22, so I wouldn't write him off just because of a bad start to his time in the majors. Sounds like a guy who may be a useful backup even if he doesn't pan out.
@@pfholden Yeah, he isn't even average neither in defense or hitting when it comes to stats but he's a great defender when it comes to ratings 65 in both catcher ability and arm, should I start him? (I let the main catcher go this offseason, I'm in rebuilding process btw).
If you're rebuilding, your scout think he could be a good defender, and he hit AAA pitching well last season, that seems like a guy worth giving some playing time to to see what he can do.
Random question, how do you show only 4 drop down roster lists under your rosters and transactions menu? I have 9 rosters, I'd like to cut that down of I can. Is it resolution related?
Yeah, I think it's screen size. I'm on a laptop. Not sure beyond that, sorry.
@@pfholden I an om a laptop too (probably 8-10 years old now) and one of my main concerns at the moment before I really start is whether it will be able to run the game smoothly. It installed ok so fingers crossed it won't be a problem.
Maybe this comment doesn't belong here, but I thought of it and wanted to ask in something that was relatively recent. Do you know in this game if a players personality can change throughout his career?? Example, let's say I have some young catcher I draft, and over time as he gets older he becomes a "leader" or "captain"
I’ve seen player personalities change, yeah. I’ve seen guys become leaders or lose their selfishness etc. But, I haven’t noticed it very often.
I bought mind two years July and never been able to open it, few months later they gave me a week or two to down load agin. No luck. I use to play this a lot. I don’t know what I am doing wrong?
Hey Jimmi, not sure what the issue could be. Sounds like you may have already reached out to support, but I'd try sending an e-mail and posting in the OOTP forum if you can't get the game to work.
So are there any differences between high a and a at all
The game treats them as the same level, but the "relative to" league ratings are important here to see how the AI has their talent distributed between the leagues.
Maldonado is 6'10"? Can you imagine his strike zone IRL? Oh my word.
Haha a big dude! If he pans out he is going to be a fun player
12:36 Ho-lee crap! Am I reading this right? A 6’10” 18-year old 1B?? Kid’s a beast!
Bob! He ended up winning an AL MVP for me in my sim.
@@pfholden And the haters said a strike zone the size of the Eiffel Tower wouldn’t hold up in the majors. My man Bob for President 2024!
Everyone in my minor league system is angry at me. They play bad then get mad that they’re not moving up levels. Very frustrating.
I've found the minors more challenging in ootp 23 than previous versions.
hey what's your gamertag man i am a huge fan of this game. I have been looking for someone to play with
I don't have a gamertag. I play this offline on PC.
Suggested after ootp22 is released.
Suggesting what with OOTP22 released?
@@pfholden this video
Cool, gotcha. I may do an update at some point but to be honest I haven’t found much that’s changed with this in 22 so this video should still be relevant.
unless your owner wont let you control budget
Not totally sure which part of the budget you're referring to, but player development, draft, and international free agent budgets should all be able to be controlled during the off-season. They are locked during the season and preseason.
If some owners don't let you control those, I've yet to run into an owner like that.
@@pfholden no my owner has the "interfering" personality trait so id have to go commissioner mode to gain access i guess. he wont let me make any fiscal decisions at all. its making me debate restarting again
Ah okay. I've actually never played for an owner like that. That sounds annoying.
How do I create a new baseball player??? There's literally no in-game option, no help, no tutorial, like, there can't be a button, Create New Player?? Why does this have to be so hard?? All I want to do, make a new baseball player for the orioles, add player to orioles, set picture, play ball. That's literally the O N L Y thing I want to do, and it doesn't exist.
two options:
1) go into commissioner mode, go to the transaction tab, on the right hand side click the "actions" drop down and select create fictional player.
or
2) go to manager options, click commissioner mode, then click on any player and click player editor. you can basically build a player from scratch based off any player in the game.
@@pfholden Thank you, after doing a thorough google search, I did find it.
The announcer voice is just text to voice then? Anyway to slow down announcer voice? Too bad it seems like there's no real mods available for the game. At least on steam, I can't find any mods for it, although I did see there are mods out there for older ootp versions on google search, but it looks to be far and few between.
@@movie0007 not sure, I've never played with the announcer voice on.
@@pfholden Well it's certainly no Al Michaels that's for sure. In the dos game, Hardball 5, graphics are okay, but everything that gets announced is by Al Michaels. It can sound weird at times because it's not a smooth flowing announcement, he just said a bunch of key words then those get mashed together into sentences.
This is funny. In my game of OOTP 22 I am playing in 23 and Byron Buxton has like 46 homers just before the start of September. In your game Buxton had 8 homeruns in 23.