THE SHROUD OF TURIN - MORE THAN MYTH with Fr Andrew Dalton

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  • Опубліковано 31 січ 2025

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  • @LachlanFarquhar-u6u
    @LachlanFarquhar-u6u 17 днів тому

    God Bless you Father Dalton, and God Bless the creator of this channel.

  • @bexactlyyy
    @bexactlyyy 7 місяців тому +4

    Thanks for posting! ❤⛪️Thanks, Fr Dalton!

  • @jeffreyerwin3665
    @jeffreyerwin3665 5 місяців тому

    At minute 1:00:36 we see the falsified "reweaving" hypothesis. Its inclusion in this video detracts from an otherwise credible presentation.

    • @demmith
      @demmith 2 місяці тому +2

      Hardly 'falsified.'
      Mechthild Flury-Lemberg in a 2002 interview, "described its [the Shroud's] quality as 'stunningly noble, with an almost invisible seam.' She related she discovered identical forms of weaving and high-quality sewing on textiles found at Masada, the ancient fortress in southeastern Israel. They hailed from the year 73 A.D. According to the Bern scholar, other first-century cloths found in the Red Sea region showed weaving patterns similar to those of the Turin shroud."
      Furthermore, a piece of the linen cloth excised in 1973 for textile expert Gilbert Raes contained cotton threads Raes would later discover. The 1988 radiocarbon dating sample came from an area of the Shroud immediately adjacent to the Raes sample area.

    • @jeffreyerwin3665
      @jeffreyerwin3665 Місяць тому

      @@demmith See: "The Invisible Mending of the Shroud, the Theory and the Reality," Flury-Lemberg, 2007.
      Quote: "In any case, neither on the front nor on the back of the whole cloth is the slightest hint of a mending operation, a patch, or some kind of reinforcing darning to be found."
      FYI: There are no "cotton threads" in the Shroud. Some cotton fibers are mixed in with the linen fibers that make up the threads.
      "The occasional cotton fibers spun into the yarns were identified by Raes as 'Gossypium Herbaceum.'"
      Ref. "LOOKING AT THE TURIN SHROUD AS A TEXTILE," Tyrer, 1981.

    • @demmith
      @demmith Місяць тому

      @@jeffreyerwin3665 (this is part of Dr. Rogers paper) I call your attention to the 2nd paragraph . . .
      Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of turin
      Raymond Rogers
      Thermochimica Acta 425 (2005)
      Page 192-194
      A gum/dye/mordant coating is easy to observe on Raes and radiocarbon yarns. No other part of the shroud shows such a coating. The early thermal evolution of furfural during pyrolysis/ms analyses, the relatively easy water solubility, the yellow color formed with iodine, and the easy hydrolysis suggest gum Arabic. Gum Arabic is obtained from Acacia senegal and is composed of pentose-sugar units. Its presence as a major component in the coatings on the Raes and radiocarbon samples is not a surprise, because it has long been a common vehicle in tempera paints. The radiocarbon sample had been dyed. Dyeing was probably done intentionally on pristine replacement material to match the color of the older, sepia-colored cloth. The gum is probably the same age as the Raes and radiocarbon yarn and should have no effect on the age determination. In any case, this watersoluble, easily-hydrolyzed gum would have been removed completely by the cleaning procedures used on the dated samples.
      The dye found on the radiocarbon sample was not used in Europe before about a.d. 1291 and was not common until more than 100 years later. The combined evidence from chemical kinetics, analytical chemistry, cotton content, and pyrolysis/ms proves that the material from the radiocarbon area of the shroud is significantly different from that of the main cloth. The radiocarbon sample was thus not part of the original cloth and is invalid for determining the age of the shroud. Because the storage conditions through the centuries are unknown, a more accurate age determination will require new radiocarbon analyses with several fully characterized and carefully prepared samples.
      A significant amount of charred cellulose was removed during a restoration of the shroud in 2002. Material from different scorch locations across the shroud was saved in separate containers. The elemental carbon could be completely cleaned in concentrated nitric acid, thus removing all traces of foreign fibers, sebum from repeated handling, and adsorbed thymol from an unfortunate procedure to sterilize the shroud’s reliquary in 1988. In addition, the separate samples would give a “cluster” of dates, always a desirable procedure in archaeology. A new radiocarbon analysis should be done on the charred material retained from the 2002 restoration.

    • @demmith
      @demmith Місяць тому

      @@jeffreyerwin3665 also, www.shroud.com/pdfs/benfordmarino.pdf