2:45 You said exactly what I was thinking when I started watching this video. 4:35 I love this kind of situation where DRDO is supplying the base design, private players working on prototype with their own improvements and bringing some foreign design into the mix. This is what I want in every defence domain in future.
With today's changing warfare, we need more armored ifv These are APCs, they are used to transport troops behind lines, not to fight tanks or other ifv, Generally systems like atgms, sams, 105mm are installed on ifvs, because it can withstand machine fire and also has huge carrying capacity
Tata is smart they know how army works hence they brought technology rapidly built the units slapped with bmp-2 turret presented to the army and gave media coverage. They knew that this thing is going to last decades They they now have units operation in the army
Sir...RTA-90 was thought to be a follow-on after Saras Mk2...only initial approval was reportedly obtained but is it actually being designed or how far they have progressed is not yet reoprted...also they were planning for a DRDO-NAL designed tutboprop engine...this project is a good one but i might have missed on such news
Sir, More than 35 years back , there were 2 of similar machines in our inventory . BTR 60 & SKOT 2A . There was an effort to repower them with twin NISSAN JONGA engines . The trials were not much successful . It is nice to see Desi versions after such a long time . Kudos to TATA and MAHINDRA .
Jai Hind Bhai, I love the Design Subodh bhai. Agar ye original hua to Kasam se Phli baar Koi Indian design western design ko competition dega 😊 Even TATA WHAP/KESTREL have Good and Eye/heart warming design.
But these machines still use foreign engines. If in any critical situation the engine or its spare parts supply is stopped,, then these will be sitting ducks. India government must come up with a plan for indigenous engines for APCs tanks ships otherwise we'll be at the mercy of foreign vendors
Just wanted to share my opinions on this, i don't know if this matters or not but here it is. I think that this is a really great step towards modernizing the India Army and the reputation of the country in general, because the world respects you as much as it respects your army, and true respect comes from power, this is great way to showcase it, i really think that we should also add ATGMs on this AFV, because, as soon as we add an ATGM, it becomes an IFV basically, yeah we do use use BMPs from Russia, but that still doesn't seem to be something we can be proud of. Also, the sloped armour by Mahindra is not only better because it can bounce of the kinetic energy penetrators but also it's more stylish, Style matters even in combat. The only thing that i think that our forces are lacking is CAS heavy aircraft like the C130 gunship and a Strategic Bomber, just like the B12. These upgrades not only make us look strong but also make other countries fear India's military, i think that i might have developed a quote for Indian Armed Forces, WE'VE GOT THE GUTS, NOT THE GUNS. Hope the government keeps developing military equipments at this pace and soon we will be in TOP 3 most powerful nations by military in the world.
If I am not wrong, L1/L2 came due to past corruption scandals in defence deals. But now we certainly need some innovative procurement process that can keep corruption away, while decrease the acquisition timeline.
Please somebody tell me why Army Mounted Ugly Looking BMP-2 Turret on Kestrel by throwing out its earlier Turret. Will they also induct Kestrel with BMP-2 Turret??
Subodh Ji...Tapas II ke bad se dil me uthal-puthal machi hui thi but in last couple of days & few positive new se dil me kuch thand padi hai...around year 2000s i had read in armada magazine about the french crotale ad-system which was based on similar vehicle...now that we have 2-3 vehicle manufacturers of our own, we MUST try to produce some similar but modern AFV & AD systems, sort of Biho or deep-upgrade crotale...i would love to see an AD system with a combo of 23/30mm multipurpose gun combined with 6-8 light weight SAMs (6-10km) OR light-weight ATGMs along with suitable AESA & EO/IR systems
@@A_41595 Abdul ka soda !!! jitni samajh ho utni hi baat kiya kar...jo baat ho rahi hai wo nahi samajha to mat bol...this channel is a grear source of relevant news & an opportunity for general non-tech enthusiasts like me to express themselves...better keep it that way...further if i make any mistake or say anything in-appropriate then the channel owner or some other more experienced & knowlegeable participant can always correct me or guide me with relevant info.
The answer to you question is BUDGET . Indian armed forces are the only force in the world that is under budgeted compared to the size and scale it operates. I.e merely 1-2% of the Indias GDP, compared to the global military spending of more than 3-4 % of the GDP. Jai hind
but what are the chances that a round is going to hit the exactly in the flat part of data kestrel, so is it really a big difference?, besides the sides of the vehicle are flat anyways, and they have a larger area than the front
@@maxxplanck2876 Bhai eye armed forces ka procurement hein... Agar armed forces jor dale to koi babu kuch nehi kar sakta... Sab milkar loot batkar kha raha he.
Would love to see it with a independent commander FLIR sight for "hunter killer" mode along with a turret having electrically operated 20mm auto cannon or DShK gun and 2 ATGMs in sealed canisters "ready to fire" mode controlled by gunner from with in the vehicle . There can be other variations of turret mounted weapons but what i suggested is a basic layout But 1 thing that i thing Mahindra should also make is a model carring a 80/120 mm mortar for " shoot and scoot " operations like that of French 2R2M system as now a days mortar and artillery teams are very much vulnerable to counter-battery fire especially assisted by enemy drone reconnaissance . In today's battlefield (post 2023 Ukraine war) nothing is safe if it is staying there for more than 5 mins as drones will find them out . So keep changing positions every 10 mins is a key to survival in contemporary war scenario .
@alphadefence I request you to make a video about.. vehicles used by Indian armed forces and their future plans ❤ because it's confusing to see and hear many armoured vehicles being tested and used❤😅
I agree, at first look, the Mahindra APC looks better designed. I am praying Adani Defence doesn't make another Atmanirbhar APC just like it did with that Israeli drone. This will kill every indigenous R&D in the country and give rise to another type of defence imports.
sir ur right about angeling of frontal plates will evntually increase armor ,, but any apfsds shell will pen this light vehicle. also sir please explain what army wants above this vehicle , 30, 40 or 105 mm gun.
This Low cost based selection will cost India dearly in some time. I feel we should choose the best not the cheapest. I know we have low defence budget still we can do something.
Bhai kabhi kuch positive bol liya kar Stryker alag hai aur Kestrel alag hai Stryker ki protection jyada hai aur Stryker anti tank guided missile stinger aur ek light tank jitni fire power deti hai jabki Kestrel ek sniper ya fir heavy machine gun ki firing ko hi jhel sakta hai aur itna wide use bhi nahi hai uska kabhi deep analysis bhi kar le humlog adobe photoshop mobile chalane ke liye 13000 ka phone nahi lenge ye kaam karna hai toh cost badhani hogi ya aloo aur paneer same nahi hota jis tarah se paneer ke samose nahi bante usi tarike se har jagah Stryker use nahi hoga aur ye faisla army pe chod de kabhi kisi govt se pucha hai ya upper class se ki iPhone kiyo use kar Raha hai lava use kar ya phir Audi ya Tesla kiyo use kar Raha hai Mahindra ya tata use kar
Everything made In India is just for the show. In Kasmir why army is using the second world war era jeeps and trucks and not this type of vehicle? No wonder so many soldiers are getting killed by the ambush.
stryker to import kr hi rhe h to kya incouragement h local vendors k liye . jb import tumhe stryker hi krna h to time and money waste kyu krvana h apne defence companies ka .
@@nivin8651armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot (in short a very strong shell that can penetrate even the strongest of tanks like the American Abrams)
2:45 You said exactly what I was thinking when I started watching this video. 4:35 I love this kind of situation where DRDO is supplying the base design, private players working on prototype with their own improvements and bringing some foreign design into the mix. This is what I want in every defence domain in future.
Best anti-dote to DRDO poor designs
@@coolkal7590plus best anti-dote for corrupt, inefficient, lethargic sarkari defence companies.
DRDO - Aadhe idhar jao (Tata Defence),
Aadhe udhar jao (Mahindra Defence)
Army- Baaki hum Amreeka se STRIKER le rahey hai.
good approach
With today's changing warfare, we need more armored ifv
These are APCs, they are used to transport troops behind lines, not to fight tanks or other ifv,
Generally systems like atgms, sams, 105mm are installed on ifvs, because it can withstand machine fire and also has huge carrying capacity
Tata is smart they know how army works hence they brought technology rapidly built the units slapped with bmp-2 turret presented to the army and gave media coverage. They knew that this thing is going to last decades
They they now have units operation in the army
Intelligent
Loved the approach , the l1/l2 model helps encouragement of adoption of technology by companies with assurancethat they will get a order
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As a war thunder player, I can confirm if that APC just angles enough it can dodge an armor-piercing shell very easily.
great Insight
Kya faayda lena toh army ne IMPORTED strykers hai😂
it fills me with pride to see all these companies competing. who would have thought 20 years ago that India will be making such marvels.
Waiting for RTA 90. First flight.
& military varient of same design can be explored from there.
Hope to see it soon in prototype phase
Sir...RTA-90 was thought to be a follow-on after Saras Mk2...only initial approval was reportedly obtained but is it actually being designed or how far they have progressed is not yet reoprted...also they were planning for a DRDO-NAL designed tutboprop engine...this project is a good one but i might have missed on such news
i think L1 L2 split was verry good for this
Sir,
More than 35 years back , there were 2 of similar machines in
our inventory . BTR 60 & SKOT 2A .
There was an effort to repower them with twin NISSAN JONGA
engines . The trials were not much successful .
It is nice to see Desi versions after such a long time .
Kudos to TATA and MAHINDRA .
Yayyyyy lets wait 10 more years in testing aur wait krre hai jbtk Maruti Suzuki bhi ek whap na bna le letssss gooooo.
Mahindra ek do crore maare ga na Babus ke upar abhi 1000 pieces ka order lag jayega😂😂
@@maxxplanck2876 babus ne hi toh gend maar rkhi hai puri defence industry ki
@@maxxplanck2876utna easy nhi hai bro
@mrEvil1971....Maggie nahi bana rahe ch...ye
No one can beat Mahindra in terms of designs of civilian or military vehicles ❤
Xuv700 is an example 🔥
@@Mickymice67Mahindra xylo
Meanwhile mahindra doesn't even have b@lls to get into motorsports 😂😂😂😂 bhai thodi baketi kam kr.
Jai Hind Bhai,
I love the Design Subodh bhai.
Agar ye original hua to Kasam se Phli baar Koi Indian design western design ko competition dega 😊
Even TATA WHAP/KESTREL have Good and Eye/heart warming design.
Bhai video 25 min pehle aya tumhara comments 1 hour pehle kese arha hao
Yahi design hai iski trials ki video Twitter par nikal kar aayi hai isliye yeh video aayi hai
But these machines still use foreign engines. If in any critical situation the engine or its spare parts supply is stopped,, then these will be sitting ducks. India government must come up with a plan for indigenous engines for APCs tanks ships otherwise we'll be at the mercy of foreign vendors
@@rajbiswas249 still better than completely imported system of Weapons
@@foodietour8313 without engines these won't run,,, so we're still not fully independent
This is really good progress. If I am not working, this is so far the only field where we see so many desi option on the table.
Mahindra model looks futuristic.
Just wanted to share my opinions on this, i don't know if this matters or not but here it is. I think that this is a really great step towards modernizing the India Army and the reputation of the country in general, because the world respects you as much as it respects your army, and true respect comes from power, this is great way to showcase it, i really think that we should also add ATGMs on this AFV, because, as soon as we add an ATGM, it becomes an IFV basically, yeah we do use use BMPs from Russia, but that still doesn't seem to be something we can be proud of. Also, the sloped armour by Mahindra is not only better because it can bounce of the kinetic energy penetrators but also it's more stylish, Style matters even in combat. The only thing that i think that our forces are lacking is CAS heavy aircraft like the C130 gunship and a Strategic Bomber, just like the B12. These upgrades not only make us look strong but also make other countries fear India's military, i think that i might have developed a quote for Indian Armed Forces, WE'VE GOT THE GUTS, NOT THE GUNS. Hope the government keeps developing military equipments at this pace and soon we will be in TOP 3 most powerful nations by military in the world.
Kuch nehi ho sakta😅Bhagwan Bhala kare
This system looks more slick. L1&L2 make more sense. Sab India me hi banenge. Each company can have their own modifications.
Jai shree Ram 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Excellent co-operation between DRDO the private sector for optimum utilisation of know-how. Do we really need the Stryker ?
I think India shoud abandon L1/L2 methods of choosing the vehicles. In my thought it should be based on the capability vs cost of the vehicle.
Till the IAS exists, L1 system exists.
If I am not wrong, L1/L2 came due to past corruption scandals in defence deals. But now we certainly need some innovative procurement process that can keep corruption away, while decrease the acquisition timeline.
L1 L2 system aaya hi isliye tha pahle curruption ko rokne k liye
Finally, a true public x private partnership. Kudos. We got to keep going
Mahindra's design seems better
Army is going to reject it since it doesn't come in Beige color.
So true bhai , 😅😅 but Mahindra ek do crore maare ga na Babus ke upar abhi 1000 pieces ka order lag jayega😂😂
Army iske “tough” testing krke American strykers ka order degi dekh Lena
Please somebody tell me why Army Mounted Ugly Looking BMP-2 Turret on Kestrel by throwing out its earlier Turret. Will they also induct Kestrel with BMP-2 Turret??
Mahindra product great 👍👍👍🔝
Better then tata design
Now you get it what your private sector can do as compared to jokers of DRDO and HAL.
did u watch the video, look at the pic its clearly mentioned its a drdo design.The jocker here is you
@@andyj8477 sarhad par se aaya hai comment. Bina sune hi criticise karenge vo
It will be rejected by our Legendary World War Era Army. They again stated placing new orders for BMP-2 😂😂😂
Subodh Ji...Tapas II ke bad se dil me uthal-puthal machi hui thi but in last couple of days & few positive new se dil me kuch thand padi hai...around year 2000s i had read in armada magazine about the french crotale ad-system which was based on similar vehicle...now that we have 2-3 vehicle manufacturers of our own, we MUST try to produce some similar but modern AFV & AD systems, sort of Biho or deep-upgrade crotale...i would love to see an AD system with a combo of 23/30mm multipurpose gun combined with 6-8 light weight SAMs (6-10km) OR light-weight ATGMs along with suitable AESA & EO/IR systems
Abdul ka soda pi le uthal puthal shaant hojaye gi jethalal ki tarah
@@A_41595 Abdul ka soda !!! jitni samajh ho utni hi baat kiya kar...jo baat ho rahi hai wo nahi samajha to mat bol...this channel is a grear source of relevant news & an opportunity for general non-tech enthusiasts like me to express themselves...better keep it that way...further if i make any mistake or say anything in-appropriate then the channel owner or some other more experienced & knowlegeable participant can always correct me or guide me with relevant info.
Automatic 😊 होना चाहिए,
When are we going to get rid of L1, L2 bidding process and shift to Q1, Q2 (quality) ???😕
Team Alpha Def, pls an in-depth video on this🙏
Lol
The answer to you question is BUDGET . Indian armed forces are the only force in the world that is under budgeted compared to the size and scale it operates. I.e merely 1-2% of the Indias GDP, compared to the global military spending of more than 3-4 % of the GDP.
Jai hind
@@sshettigar77 Yes but also Army order only when that product pass quality testing. Therefore there is not much Quality Difference.
Mahindra quality and finishing is far superior to TATA.
but what are the chances that a round is going to hit the exactly in the flat part of data kestrel, so is it really a big difference?, besides the sides of the vehicle are flat anyways, and they have a larger area than the front
Play War Thunder and you will know how big this difference is.
bruh @@NamasteTractors
@@NamasteTractorsattack the d point
Well bro, chances are pretty much high that enemy will target the flatter section.
@@CatOfCulture just a biginner broo so till now never played with a D point only A B and C
I think iska bhi ATAGS wala haal hone wala hai 😞
Mahindra ek do crore maare ga na Babus ke upar abhi 1000 pieces ka order lag jayega😂😂
@@maxxplanck2876 By Babus are u referring to Senior Top level army officials?
@@abhimanyunath2001 Bhai Indian Beauracracy ko babus kehte hai
@@maxxplanck2876 Bhai eye armed forces ka procurement hein... Agar armed forces jor dale to koi babu kuch nehi kar sakta...
Sab milkar loot batkar kha raha he.
lol then what about ALSV? Don’t spout nonsense
👍 Jay Hind 🇮🇳
JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Indian private sector should set up something like "skunk works" of USA lockheed martin to promote innovation
ADA is better in working with flying platforms
DRDO is better in land based system.
ADA is DRDO lab
lol
जो हाल ATGS का हुआ वही हाल तपस का हुआ और वही हाल इस व्हीकल का होना है
Kyu iska haal esa kyu hoga? Kitne paise khaye hai tune? Import lobby ke Dalal
Yeh reject honga cause this looks cool... And indian defense me jo chiz cool lagti hai uski koi jagah nai.... 🙂😪😏
Modi hai to mumkin hai
Would love to see it with a independent commander FLIR sight for "hunter killer" mode along with a turret having electrically operated 20mm auto cannon or DShK gun and 2 ATGMs in sealed canisters "ready to fire" mode controlled by gunner from with in the vehicle .
There can be other variations of turret mounted weapons but what i suggested is a basic layout
But 1 thing that i thing Mahindra should also make is a model carring a 80/120 mm mortar for " shoot and scoot " operations like that of French 2R2M system as now a days mortar and artillery teams are very much vulnerable to counter-battery fire especially assisted by enemy drone reconnaissance .
In today's battlefield (post 2023 Ukraine war) nothing is safe if it is staying there for more than 5 mins as drones will find them out . So keep changing positions every 10 mins is a key to survival in contemporary war scenario .
प्रणाम
जय हिंद
Which one is going to be selected sir?
All vehicle good jaldi jaldi deploy manufacture ho acha hoga military ke liya
Kestrel sound jyada krta hai hope mahindra sound suppression mai kam kare
RIGHT 👍
भाई, भारत मे अब तो नाली साफ़ करना और हथियार बनाना दोनो काम मे L 1 को सिलेक्ट किए जाते है।
अच्छी क्वालिटी कभी डर्ट प्राइस पर नही मिलती हैं।
Mahindra waala vehicle sexy lgra 😀
@alphadefence I request you to make a video about.. vehicles used by Indian armed forces and their future plans ❤ because it's confusing to see and hear many armoured vehicles being tested and used❤😅
Why wheeled vehicle in battlefield ?
Army will make it a luggage carrier, order very few units, and then go for foreign maal.
The tyres are too exposed. They too can be shielded till the ground clearance level.
Bhai subah savere video Dali h saari raat kaam kar rahe the kya ispe
We need money to flow into private sector than the PSUs, they do a far afar better job.
How do they compare to BTR and Stryker?
Mahindra is far better than Tata.
Vande matram.
I agree, at first look, the Mahindra APC looks better designed.
I am praying Adani Defence doesn't make another Atmanirbhar APC just like it did with that Israeli drone. This will kill every indigenous R&D in the country and give rise to another type of defence imports.
sir ur right about angeling of frontal plates will evntually increase armor ,, but any apfsds shell will pen this light vehicle.
also sir please explain what army wants above this vehicle , 30, 40 or 105 mm gun.
23mm gun and Vshorad missile for anti air systems
30 mm gun for afv
105 mm tank
Anti drone jammer etc
It's good to know army Thinking of all various configurations according to their needs.
TATA & Mahindra both will make Strikers APCs with collaboration soon😊
Thumbnail main Jo pic lagai hai.usko dek ke main haran ho gya kya mast cheez banaye hai. reality main kush aur nikla😂😂
Vo mahindra ka concept model hai jiske upar prototype based h
Cigarette ke pack mein bidi😂
@@NamasteTractorslekin concept aur prototype mein diffrence kyu hai? Ye to cheating hai
Concept ashwariya Rai. reality urfi Javed 🤣🤣
Why this type of approach (Manufacturing and purchase) not applied in drone procurement by armed forces, can you explain. Thanks Sir jee. Jai Hind
Maybe lack of good options.
Mahindra looks much better
This Low cost based selection will cost India dearly in some time. I feel we should choose the best not the cheapest. I know we have low defence budget still we can do something.
Its nuclear bomb proof🤚🏻
Every vehicle group must have antidrone system
Yea Tata ke design walo ne flat design kyon Diya?🤔
Super
Sir kalyaani aur LNT kaa prototype kab ayega innkay upper bhee video banaye
Ram ram
Sabhi ko..
Ye sab old fashioned.drone new era game changer.modern day warfare m drone ka hi jarurat h
2024 आएगा तो स्ट्राइकर ही😂
Bhai kabhi kuch positive bol liya kar Stryker alag hai aur Kestrel alag hai Stryker ki protection jyada hai aur Stryker anti tank guided missile stinger aur ek light tank jitni fire power deti hai jabki Kestrel ek sniper ya fir heavy machine gun ki firing ko hi jhel sakta hai aur itna wide use bhi nahi hai uska kabhi deep analysis bhi kar le humlog adobe photoshop mobile chalane ke liye 13000 ka phone nahi lenge ye kaam karna hai toh cost badhani hogi ya aloo aur paneer same nahi hota jis tarah se paneer ke samose nahi bante usi tarike se har jagah Stryker use nahi hoga aur ye faisla army pe chod de kabhi kisi govt se pucha hai ya upper class se ki iPhone kiyo use kar Raha hai lava use kar ya phir Audi ya Tesla kiyo use kar Raha hai Mahindra ya tata use kar
Jai Shree Radhe Krishna 🙏🙏🧡
Jai Bharat Rashtra 🙏🙏🧡
Please use Indian army vehicle for illustration or mention it on the video its from else where.
Jai. Hind
Yh toh BMP-1 ki desi nakal hy isko ik mamuli rpg sy ura skte hy isme nya kya hy
Sab ache he vehicle ke upper gun anti gun radar jamer ho to or acha
Tin ka dabba🥵🥵
Everything made In India is just for the show. In Kasmir why army is using the second world war era jeeps and trucks and not this type of vehicle? No wonder so many soldiers are getting killed by the ambush.
could design a 8X8 armoured IFV in less than 3 months . . .
I like Tata variant more
Bhai aise hi AMCA aur Tejas ka design kyu nai diya jaata? Let them make 1 prototype and compete 🫠
👊👊👊
Stryker type design hai..
Humlog l1 l2 karte rahenge aur udhar china aake ghanta bajakar chala jayega😥
Actually it looks far better than tata kestrel but dont know the capabilities.
Why do we still not see these vehicles in operation in j&k? We only see those old vehicles
Test test test me hi 5 ..10 years lag jeye ge
What about
Phir bhi inhone American Stryker hi kharidege inko Sabse pehle Tata Kestrel bulk mein phir Mahindra ke bulk order
Need to privatise every defence production facilities 🤷♂️ these government servents are just getting paid without working
stryker to import kr hi rhe h to kya incouragement h local vendors k liye .
jb import tumhe stryker hi krna h to time and money waste kyu krvana h apne defence companies ka .
Dude doesn't sloped armour have lesser effect against APFSDS?
What's APFSDS ?
No…the sloped armour has same effect on APFSDS also…
@@nivin8651armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot (in short a very strong shell that can penetrate even the strongest of tanks like the American Abrams)
mark my words non will be selected, lobby will force babus to either choose Stryker or bmp 3
Mahindra Should export them if not bought by Indian Army.
Just ditch Stryker and US
But we need phoren maal