Oh man, this is so relaxing to watch - the voice, the music, the footage... 10/10, basically nailed the small scale pvp life with this one :D Subscrizzled - I'm off to watch the rest of "art of poor" vids now
Hey, thanks for watching. The actual third video is still being made but I did do a third video in the form of a lecture for eve university that includes a lot more concrete info. Shoot me an eve mail in game if you have questions.
You could almost hear that Apocalypse Pilot thinking "Meh, how would those frigates harm my mighty battleship, YOLO" :-D However watching as his shiny ship gradually is shot into a miserable wreck makes you almost feel sorry for him.... almost!
hey, I really appreciate that. let me know what you think of the other videos. this video is part one in the series. There have currently been two released and then a lecture on the subjects given for eve uni.
John, when i watch your videos i know you are representing the hard core of this community, with a massiv ammount of knowledge. I dont know if you can "imagen" how hard it is for a new player to get ahold of "pvp" in EVE in general. I want to do what you do, ill dedicate myself to it, but i need a point to start, theres plenty of information out there, but it comes from all directions, so much at once, that i feel overwhelmed and not able to do anything of it. I beg you, give me a video, text .. anything combined with a pvp task, an absolute pvp noob could fullfil if he puts dedication into it, that you would assume be "good" to get into it, so i can advance from a point, because right now im just lost. If that really helps me and starts my pvp journey, i will pay you 3% of my monthly eve-income to the day i stop playing
Great video, love seeing people fly unconventional ships/fits! To be fair about that first fight, you could have killed the HML Caracal in an Atron and in half the time =p
I would just like to say thanks john for making me eve famous. Even tho I was the one that died it was a good death. I'm Porter08 by the way. thanks for the fit tips.
I don't understand why the Jag was orbiting the caracal at 500. For what purpose? To wreck his own tracking? He sure wasn't going to throw off the tracking of the rapid lights aimed at him.
It's not about out running the missiles it's about your sig radius out running the explosion velocity of the missiles. The reason I orbit at 500 with the jag is that it has about 6 km of dps range, which it is pulled towards by its own momentum when orbiting. If I orbit at say 5km it will be pulled away from the target to something closer to 10km. The jag's weapons itself are the smallest and best tracking Autocannons in the game and they are being fired at a cruiser so range is far more significant than tracking speed in this case.
That's what I was thinking. A wider orbit would increase your tracking, and get your speed up which slips even more of the missile damage. If you can't hold a 3k orbit or so, I suppose you have to aim for 500. Thanks for the explanation.
Can you believe that there have been some people who didn't get the reference? I mean, Art of War - Art of Poor...like, it fucking rhymes, I don't think it can get more obvious.
I have mixed feelings about this vid: Seeing that Rattlesnake die, made me feel sorry for the owner, since I mostly fly a Rattlesnake myself and getting killed by a swarm of frigs is just insulting... On the other hand - If you're not docked up or hauling ass to the nearest allied POS by the time you even catch a whiff of neuts incoming - you deserve to lose that ship.
Frus Languag it depends how the target is fit and how it is flown. The advantage vs other small ships is that it's very likely you could engage another frigate and disengage if you found that you were losing. Especially in nullsec.
John Drees thanks 🙏 quick answer amazing. in terms of orbiting so fast with a small sig does it mess a lot with their tracking speed ? Because of the inertia you rotate further away so I don't know what to think of it about tracking!?
You spend months smashing their faces in with hotdrops so they always assume that you're going to drop them. The smarter ones tend to avoid you and the dumber ones are easier to kill. :)
Using providence is a bad example, it is really not hard to solo any pve ship including battleships. Most provi ships are horribly shitfit anyway so it's naturally easy to do as long as you catch them. Now go to fw and try your jaguar and see how it goes.
I plan on going to FW space more often once off grid links are removed from the game. Anyway, I assure you, there are terrible players everywhere and proviblock has as much variety in experience level as anywhere else.
gotta love shitty nullsec pve fits, im apart of a WH group and we were testing cyno'ing in on a nullsec pve rattle fit and our guy was like this is so against my WH fitting instincts D:< were like just do it!
Who said I was in Provi bloc? And if I was in Provi bloc I could care less what they argue about. I'm just saying it doesn't take skill to camp they same system over and over again . There are other big alliances that have stupid members like Provi bloc why not go after them as well possible better opportunities .
+Nevin Horton Back your face away from the screen? Maybe consider the fact that like ten thousand other people managed to watch the video without complaint? Evaluate your life son.
If a Jaguar is scrammed and webbed by say..a drake and the drake is using Heavy missiles..who will win the fight? I ask because I'm setting up a drake for some pvp and just want to know my limits. I know there was a drake kill in the vid but I didn't seem him fire anything and you weren't scrammed/webbed..just curious. Great vid btw.
Warp scramblers don't shut off afterburners and so the only thing slowing down the jaguar is the web, it helps but the main problem with damage application from heavy missiles is related to signature radius which remains low. If you engaged a jaguar with the fit shown with an average heavy missile fit drake you would not deal enough damage to kill it rapidly but you would outlast the jaguar and eventually it would be forced to disengage due to passive regeneration of the drakes shields. If you include a medium energy neut it is possible you could hold it down with the web, but a good jag pilot will still get out because one overheated cycle of oversized prop mod while you're still scrammed moves the jaguar out of Web range.
+MTGPlayer10 no, you would be better off using rapid light missiles and a second web. Honestly, it's pretty unlikely you're going to run into jags nowadays anyway. Concentrate on how you are gonna kill all those svipuls.
+MTGPlayer10 you can try using precision heavy missiles and swapping dmg type to whatever the Jag might have lowest (check his killboard), it's usually the 2'nd resist hole since most pilots will plug the 1'st with something. Also try to keep drones alive.. If the frig pilot has a nos and active rep it is gonna be tough if not impossible to kill him, if he's buffor you can do it.
PVP skill increases as your wallet gets smaller.
more isk more multi boxing
Oh man, this is so relaxing to watch - the voice, the music, the footage... 10/10, basically nailed the small scale pvp life with this one :D Subscrizzled - I'm off to watch the rest of "art of poor" vids now
Hey, thanks for watching. The actual third video is still being made but I did do a third video in the form of a lecture for eve university that includes a lot more concrete info. Shoot me an eve mail in game if you have questions.
I'm off to watch that one now - even though I know the ropes of PvP life, it'll actually be good to know what the newbros will follow :3
You could almost hear that Apocalypse Pilot thinking "Meh, how would those frigates harm my mighty battleship, YOLO" :-D However watching as his shiny ship gradually is shot into a miserable wreck makes you almost feel sorry for him.... almost!
This is the first video I've seen from you, and I hit the subscribe button within minutes.
Keep em coming!
hey, I really appreciate that. let me know what you think of the other videos. this video is part one in the series. There have currently been two released and then a lecture on the subjects given for eve uni.
Excellent video, having been away from pvp a while this was great, 10MN AB frig sounds fun.
+1 for content and +1 for the sleazy sax music lol
very nice vid . 10/10 for revealing this . Most pilot wouldn't make a video of it :)
What a great voice and music choice
Great work man, I think I'm gonna have to try out that jaguar fit 👌
It's quite fun, definitely give it a try. Watch out for ships with medium energy neuts. Have fun!
John, when i watch your videos i know you are representing the hard core of this community, with a massiv ammount of knowledge. I dont know if you can "imagen" how hard it is for a new player to get ahold of "pvp" in EVE in general.
I want to do what you do, ill dedicate myself to it, but i need a point to start, theres plenty of information out there, but it comes from all directions, so much at once, that i feel overwhelmed and not able to do anything of it.
I beg you, give me a video, text .. anything combined with a pvp task, an absolute pvp noob could fullfil if he puts dedication into it, that you would assume be "good" to get into it, so i can advance from a point, because right now im just lost.
If that really helps me and starts my pvp journey, i will pay you 3% of my monthly eve-income to the day i stop playing
Ok, I think you will appreciate part two then. Getting started can be hard for sure.
Is that offer still up? ;-)
Very good points made in this vid. One thing tho - zoomed and following camera on a low orbiting ship is a bit dizzying.
Great video, love seeing people fly unconventional ships/fits!
To be fair about that first fight, you could have killed the HML Caracal in an Atron and in half the time =p
Maybe so but had it been RLML fit which they frequently are an atron wouldn't have been able to engage at all.
Color me inspired, time to fit out an assault frigate :)
Good watch as usual. :)
I just love your voice :)
Awesome video and helpful
+100000 for Metric
Welp... not engaging Jags for a bit.
Nice video!
Legit vid and good tips on PVP. what's the song in the intro?
very good vidieo!
I feel you bro I FEEL YOU
Oh really? Take your chameleon privilege elsewhere! :)
I would just like to say thanks john for making me eve famous. Even tho I was the one that died it was a good death. I'm Porter08 by the way. thanks for the fit tips.
I don't understand why the Jag was orbiting the caracal at 500. For what purpose? To wreck his own tracking? He sure wasn't going to throw off the tracking of the rapid lights aimed at him.
It's not about out running the missiles it's about your sig radius out running the explosion velocity of the missiles. The reason I orbit at 500 with the jag is that it has about 6 km of dps range, which it is pulled towards by its own momentum when orbiting. If I orbit at say 5km it will be pulled away from the target to something closer to 10km. The jag's weapons itself are the smallest and best tracking Autocannons in the game and they are being fired at a cruiser so range is far more significant than tracking speed in this case.
That's what I was thinking. A wider orbit would increase your tracking, and get your speed up which slips even more of the missile damage. If you can't hold a 3k orbit or so, I suppose you have to aim for 500. Thanks for the explanation.
even better reason to keep my faction fit proteus docked
sun tzu would be proud i think heh
Can you believe that there have been some people who didn't get the reference? I mean, Art of War - Art of Poor...like, it fucking rhymes, I don't think it can get more obvious.
I have mixed feelings about this vid: Seeing that Rattlesnake die, made me feel sorry for the owner, since I mostly fly a Rattlesnake myself and getting killed by a swarm of frigs is just insulting... On the other hand - If you're not docked up or hauling ass to the nearest allied POS by the time you even catch a whiff of neuts incoming - you deserve to lose that ship.
What's the music!? Awesome vid.
Thanks, the tracks are: I've been thinking by handsome by modeling school, Hustle Rose by metric, grow up and Blow Away also by metric.
the BS were not pvp fit? curious. good work
+TheMdinkle wouldn't change the fact that it is pretty much helpless against frigates (as soon as it has lost all of its drones)
Dammit John now I can't take out my jag for a while
Beautiful intro! Who did that?
"Part two of the Art"
+Alex Acuna of Poor.
Just messing with ya man, love your videos. Found you today and I am a already a fan. Hope to see more videos. Fly safe o7
+Alex Acuna Haha ok, thanks man!
John Drees Are you guys still recruiting?
+Alex Acuna we are indeed.
hahaha, this is awesome !
is that the jag you were trying to catch me with the other night?
Haha maybe. Although I think you mean, "Is that the jag I narrowly escaped from?" :)
Would you be able to kill another jag with it? I mean how big is the 10mn ab edge facing frigates or event destroyers ?
Frus Languag it depends how the target is fit and how it is flown. The advantage vs other small ships is that it's very likely you could engage another frigate and disengage if you found that you were losing. Especially in nullsec.
John Drees thanks 🙏 quick answer amazing. in terms of orbiting so fast with a small sig does it mess a lot with their tracking speed ? Because of the inertia you rotate further away so I don't know what to think of it about tracking!?
What songs are use as the background music?
Tracks in order: I've been thinking - Handsome Boy Modeling School, Hustle Rose - Metric, and Grow up and Blow Away - Metric.
How do you do anything in provi without attracting 200 people? Teach me your ways!
You spend months smashing their faces in with hotdrops so they always assume that you're going to drop them. The smarter ones tend to avoid you and the dumber ones are easier to kill. :)
+John Drees Make sure to include that part in your tutorials here =)
could you post the name of the songs?
+Andrew Perry 7:18 is "Metric - Grow up and Blow Away"
(after typing this, it looks like john listed the other tracks in a comment further down)
Using providence is a bad example, it is really not hard to solo any pve ship including battleships. Most provi ships are horribly shitfit anyway so it's naturally easy to do as long as you catch them. Now go to fw and try your jaguar and see how it goes.
I plan on going to FW space more often once off grid links are removed from the game. Anyway, I assure you, there are terrible players everywhere and proviblock has as much variety in experience level as anywhere else.
is it possible to do this with a brawler enyo?
Theoretically yes. I'd recommend using an ishkur instead though. For a variety of reasons.
music to loud
you should turn it down.
was that rattle shit fit? if it was PVP fit he should of been able to tank up to 6k dps
+Ashley Stewart The rattle was pve fit for farming nullsec anomalies.
gotta love shitty nullsec pve fits, im apart of a WH group and we were testing cyno'ing in on a nullsec pve rattle fit and our guy was like this is so against my WH fitting instincts D:< were like just do it!
it wasn't just fit, it was fairly expensive, 1.4 billion isk on zkill.
Who said I was in Provi bloc? And if I was in Provi bloc I could care less what they argue about. I'm just saying it doesn't take skill to camp they same system over and over again . There are other big alliances that have stupid members like Provi bloc why not go after them as well possible better opportunities .
That max zoom and constant spinning is the most obnoxious thing ever.
That camera tracking bullshit gives me motion sickness.
That sucks. Maybe you are just a weak person?
+John Drees yep, that makes a lot of sense. Couldn't be the constant spinning of the camera.
+Nevin Horton Back your face away from the screen? Maybe consider the fact that like ten thousand other people managed to watch the video without complaint? Evaluate your life son.
it must be nice fishing provi all the time. nowhere else to catch such a dense population of pvp frigtened pple
If a Jaguar is scrammed and webbed by say..a drake and the drake is using Heavy missiles..who will win the fight? I ask because I'm setting up a drake for some pvp and just want to know my limits. I know there was a drake kill in the vid but I didn't seem him fire anything and you weren't scrammed/webbed..just curious. Great vid btw.
Warp scramblers don't shut off afterburners and so the only thing slowing down the jaguar is the web, it helps but the main problem with damage application from heavy missiles is related to signature radius which remains low. If you engaged a jaguar with the fit shown with an average heavy missile fit drake you would not deal enough damage to kill it rapidly but you would outlast the jaguar and eventually it would be forced to disengage due to passive regeneration of the drakes shields. If you include a medium energy neut it is possible you could hold it down with the web, but a good jag pilot will still get out because one overheated cycle of oversized prop mod while you're still scrammed moves the jaguar out of Web range.
+John Drees So basically the only real way to spank a jag with a drake is to have a couple of target painters so you can do way more dmg to it?
+MTGPlayer10 no, you would be better off using rapid light missiles and a second web. Honestly, it's pretty unlikely you're going to run into jags nowadays anyway. Concentrate on how you are gonna kill all those svipuls.
+MTGPlayer10 you can try using precision heavy missiles and swapping dmg type to whatever the Jag might have lowest (check his killboard), it's usually the 2'nd resist hole since most pilots will plug the 1'st with something. Also try to keep drones alive.. If the frig pilot has a nos and active rep it is gonna be tough if not impossible to kill him, if he's buffor you can do it.