This stove is designed to produce a “chimney” effect. If you use it like that, packed to the rafters with wood, you will warp the steel. I have this stove and it’s amazing. What’s more amazing is how many people buy them and then fail to read the instructions. Bushcraft essentials actually refer to videos like this on their website as an example of how not to use.
@@welshwoodsman ; yeah, against the instructions. People will go out and buy the thing thinking it’s a sustainable platform for a lasting fire and be hugely disappointed when it warps. Don’t get me wrong, do what you want with your own gear. But at least put a disclaimer on.
@@CaptainoftheCs as I explained in a previous comment, I wanted to try a different method of use. I like to know the limits of my equipment, especially before going on an extended trip. I totally understand where you're coming from and I appreciate your comments.
Captain: I am thinking of buying the XL. In reading your comment, I have a question: with your experience using this stove, what is the best method to use the chimney effect? Is it to simply continually feed smaller wood through the bottom instead of putting larger pieces in am attempt to require less attention?
@@andrewbenihana Hi Andrew. First of all, this is a great stove. It can be quite ‘sooty’, but in my experience that goes with the territory when cooking this way. In terms of use, I just look for a constant flame, just as you’d get using a meth or alcohol stove, but obviously a bit larger. That then heats everything within the surrounding steel plates and creates a chimney effect to cook your food above. To achieve that scenario, yes start with small pieces in the bottom of the stove, then feed the fire through the windows in the frame. I actually like to gather wood that is long enough to stick out of the windows whilst resting on the floor plate inside, and as the flames burn it away it becomes a self feeding fire, if that makes sense?? Just don’t jam pack it with wood like this guy and it should last you forever.
Thanks for this! I tried the Swedish stove method last week but made a half-ass job of it. Burned well though and great to know that the right size of log will produce nearly an hour of heat. Thanks for taking the time to make the video. Cheers.
Great little video of the XL. I have the LF and I've really been impressed with the "fit and finish" of that German craftsmanship. Hey, thanks for demonstrating the Swedish torch method. It certainly makes for a long consistent burn.
Ive used this method on my SS evil eyes slotted stove and my Ti boundless voyage dragonhorse hinged stove, on evil eyes i got a good 45 minutes of useful cook time and maybe 10 minutes of keeping the kettle warm. Thanks for the video, I'm itching to get my bushbox lf i ordered.
Interesting experiment! Often things do not work out on the first try, but after some tweaking, you discover the details that make the difference. Have you ever tried to put the 4 quartered pieces with inside-out by putting the square angles in the corners of the box? You will end up with a star-shaped chimney instead of a cross-shaped one. This will leave more space, so the same amount of tinder will pack with less density, reducing the possibility of smothering. Greetings from the Dutchguy in the Swiss Jura-mountains.
I tend to cut 4-5 rounds at about 2-3 inch diameter and about 3 inch long (up to the height of the window). Split them and stack them in. Light with a few feathers and small twigs on top and I get a good 30-40 min burn on that. Very little work for the amount of heat and burn time
I just had bushcraft essentials comment on my Instagram post of this video. They said not to do it, it could warp the metal. Mine was OK after it, but I totally get their point. They have to protect their product.
Possibly uneven heating? Sometimes you have to push the boundaries when it comes to equipment, so you know what they're capable of🤔. No good if they fail when you need them most.
Duration of burn and uneven heating are both risk factors in warping any metal, with thin sheet metal and small gauge rod being especially susceptible. This excellent quality and painfully expensive product really isn't designed to be used as a campfire. It's primary purpose is to generate heat and lots of it for efficiently producing food and sustenance in the wild. There's an excellent manual and lots of tips on the manufacturer's website detailing everything.
I very much enjoyed the video, thank you! I've had bad luck with the Swedish Fire Torch until I started putting the 4 inside corners of the log in the 4 outside corners of the stove. It seems to allow better air flow in the center for me. I'm using a Firebox 5" Stove. I hope that helps.
That's actually how you are supposed to do it. It leaves lots of room in the middle. The way the dude in the vid did it he left a lot of space unused in the outer corners.
what if you put the log in with the edges of the wood towards the edges of the stove and the round parts to the inside? that way you coud make better use of the available space.
I have the cheap chinese version and have cooked a full brekkie and made a brew with just the one log, they are brilliant as I spend a lot of time on the west pennine moors which are largely peat over low grade coal so no open fires, the woodgas stoves are also excellent
I wanted to try something different. Instead of feeding through the opening, constantly. That way I got a steady, maintenance free burn for an extended time.
@@welshwoodsman I do hear you. I love twig stoves for a few reasons, but when they are very small, they are a total faff. That's why i bought the bushbox XL. It's bigger size makes it burn real hot without too much fiddling. Having said that, it really isn't a replacement for an open fire or firepit bc keeping it really hot for hours can damage it.
@@Tom_Bee_ sometimes you have to try different methods, of use with your equipment. Some will fail, some will work. Just repeating the same style over and over can prevent from progressing or improving your skillset.
@@welshwoodsman oh yeah, totally. Having said that these things cost nearly 300 euro if you go for all the bells and whistles in titanium. That level of investment is worth looking after
Watching you chop that wood reminds me of why the English found it so difficult to chop wood and build things when they first arrived in Australia 200 years ago.. Much of your wood is lovely and soft, but not all of it, so when someone from the UK (any part of it, really) comes across a real solid block of wood, you struggle..haha - Great video though. Thoroughly enjoyed the info..
Thanks for the nice vid. I've played around with these and find them to be a huge timewaster. While my buddy is trying to get something cooked, I've already eaten and am catching all the fish or panning all the gold. If I'm hunting, he'll smell like smoke and chase all the elk to me. Yes, I carry one around in my Search and Rescue spring/fall bag-- to save weight on my Optimus 111B. I suppose if you are in the woods with no purpose and have lots of time... sure. My major beef with these are the weight.
This stove is designed to produce a “chimney” effect. If you use it like that, packed to the rafters with wood, you will warp the steel. I have this stove and it’s amazing. What’s more amazing is how many people buy them and then fail to read the instructions. Bushcraft essentials actually refer to videos like this on their website as an example of how not to use.
If you read the previous comments, I was trying an alternative method.
@@welshwoodsman ; yeah, against the instructions. People will go out and buy the thing thinking it’s a sustainable platform for a lasting fire and be hugely disappointed when it warps. Don’t get me wrong, do what you want with your own gear. But at least put a disclaimer on.
@@CaptainoftheCs as I explained in a previous comment, I wanted to try a different method of use. I like to know the limits of my equipment, especially before going on an extended trip. I totally understand where you're coming from and I appreciate your comments.
Captain: I am thinking of buying the XL. In reading your comment, I have a question: with your experience using this stove, what is the best method to use the chimney effect? Is it to simply continually feed smaller wood through the bottom instead of putting larger pieces in am attempt to require less attention?
@@andrewbenihana Hi Andrew. First of all, this is a great stove. It can be quite ‘sooty’, but in my experience that goes with the territory when cooking this way. In terms of use, I just look for a constant flame, just as you’d get using a meth or alcohol stove, but obviously a bit larger. That then heats everything within the surrounding steel plates and creates a chimney effect to cook your food above. To achieve that scenario, yes start with small pieces in the bottom of the stove, then feed the fire through the windows in the frame. I actually like to gather wood that is long enough to stick out of the windows whilst resting on the floor plate inside, and as the flames burn it away it becomes a self feeding fire, if that makes sense?? Just don’t jam pack it with wood like this guy and it should last you forever.
Thanks for this! I tried the Swedish stove method last week but made a half-ass job of it. Burned well though and great to know that the right size of log will produce nearly an hour of heat. Thanks for taking the time to make the video. Cheers.
Great little video of the XL. I have the LF and I've really been impressed with the "fit and finish" of that German craftsmanship. Hey, thanks for demonstrating the Swedish torch method. It certainly makes for a long consistent burn.
Ive used this method on my SS evil eyes slotted stove and my Ti boundless voyage dragonhorse hinged stove, on evil eyes i got a good 45 minutes of useful cook time and maybe 10 minutes of keeping the kettle warm. Thanks for the video, I'm itching to get my bushbox lf i ordered.
Great video, going try this idea this week with my bushbox.
Interesting experiment! Often things do not work out on the first try, but after some tweaking, you discover the details that make the difference. Have you ever tried to put the 4 quartered pieces with inside-out by putting the square angles in the corners of the box? You will end up with a star-shaped chimney instead of a cross-shaped one. This will leave more space, so the same amount of tinder will pack with less density, reducing the possibility of smothering. Greetings from the Dutchguy in the Swiss Jura-mountains.
That’s a great combination to cook on.
Der Mann beweist Geschmack mit dem Hemd 😊👍schöne Grüße aus Good old Germany.
Got the same stove today and cant wait to use it,, New Subscriber.... ATB Chris...
Be interested to see how long a swedish fire torch would last if was Ash or Oak being used.
I tend to cut 4-5 rounds at about 2-3 inch diameter and about 3 inch long (up to the height of the window). Split them and stack them in. Light with a few feathers and small twigs on top and I get a good 30-40 min burn on that.
Very little work for the amount of heat and burn time
Really must try this method myself
Lovely stuff Scott 👍 one of my local mates had a similar result....might give mine a go when I’m out next week. Thanks for taking the trouble 👍
I just had bushcraft essentials comment on my Instagram post of this video. They said not to do it, it could warp the metal. Mine was OK after it, but I totally get their point. They have to protect their product.
Interesting🤔....presumably the duration of the burn ? Time will tell as people push the boundaries I guess..👍
Possibly uneven heating? Sometimes you have to push the boundaries when it comes to equipment, so you know what they're capable of🤔. No good if they fail when you need them most.
Yup agreed 👍
Duration of burn and uneven heating are both risk factors in warping any metal, with thin sheet metal and small gauge rod being especially susceptible. This excellent quality and painfully expensive product really isn't designed to be used as a campfire. It's primary purpose is to generate heat and lots of it for efficiently producing food and sustenance in the wild. There's an excellent manual and lots of tips on the manufacturer's website detailing everything.
You've been stealing Robs stubborn spruce.🤣 Good video showing the possibilities of this stove. Still think they are expensive though.
I had to make it look difficult to split, just for Rob.😏
Wonderful video! love your accent. This is great you are making a nice and safe fire there!! lovely
I very much enjoyed the video, thank you! I've had bad luck with the Swedish Fire Torch until I started putting the 4 inside corners of the log in the 4 outside corners of the stove. It seems to allow better air flow in the center for me. I'm using a Firebox 5" Stove. I hope that helps.
That's actually how you are supposed to do it. It leaves lots of room in the middle. The way the dude in the vid did it he left a lot of space unused in the outer corners.
Great Vid - Been looking at maybe getting one of these, looks like a great bit of kit!
They're not cheap, but they're very good quality
@@welshwoodsman I'd been looking at some cheap alternatives but they look a bit crap. Lixada and the like.
@@ChrisSurrey i don't have any of the cheaper ones, but I'd imagine the usual adage applies, you get what you pay for🤔
what if you put the log in with the edges of the wood towards the edges of the stove and the round parts to the inside? that way you coud make better use of the available space.
Will give this a go 👍
I have the cheap chinese version and have cooked a full brekkie and made a brew with just the one log, they are brilliant as I spend a lot of time on the west pennine moors which are largely peat over low grade coal so no open fires, the woodgas stoves are also excellent
You sound a bit like Floki (vikings) 😄
Great vid butt, subscribed
Great video mate!
Top vid - well done
Atb
Top effort. I've got a Honey Stove, Think I'll try it with thatchers Rich
I'm glad you had a job splitting that log with an axe, what is it with the spruce in that woods?
Good vid mate and informative.
I see warping on the right side in my opinion you put too much wood.
As I mentioned in the video, I bought it second hand, it was not perfect when I had it.
Pretty sure the titanium has a warranty not to warp
You have my sub friend!
🙏❤️ Türkiye’den sevgi ve selamlar🤟...
I grab my fire box S with sticks 1/4 "X 2" long then fire on top Gives me 30 +/- min fire
Mvg Frits
So... I'm curious how all that labour works out easier than simply putting sticks in through the big hole in the front?
I wanted to try something different. Instead of feeding through the opening, constantly. That way I got a steady, maintenance free burn for an extended time.
@@welshwoodsman I do hear you. I love twig stoves for a few reasons, but when they are very small, they are a total faff. That's why i bought the bushbox XL. It's bigger size makes it burn real hot without too much fiddling. Having said that, it really isn't a replacement for an open fire or firepit bc keeping it really hot for hours can damage it.
@@Tom_Bee_ sometimes you have to try different methods, of use with your equipment. Some will fail, some will work. Just repeating the same style over and over can prevent from progressing or improving your skillset.
@@welshwoodsman oh yeah, totally. Having said that these things cost nearly 300 euro if you go for all the bells and whistles in titanium. That level of investment is worth looking after
@@Tom_Bee_ definitely. Mine is the stainless version, which i bought second hand.
Watching you chop that wood reminds me of why the English found it so difficult to chop wood and build things when they first arrived in Australia 200 years ago.. Much of your wood is lovely and soft, but not all of it, so when someone from the UK (any part of it, really) comes across a real solid block of wood, you struggle..haha - Great video though. Thoroughly enjoyed the info..
This titanium or not love mine
Its the stainless version.
Thanks for the nice vid. I've played around with these and find them to be a huge timewaster. While my buddy is trying to get something cooked, I've already eaten and am catching all the fish or panning all the gold. If I'm hunting, he'll smell like smoke and chase all the elk to me.
Yes, I carry one around in my Search and Rescue spring/fall bag-- to save weight on my Optimus 111B. I suppose if you are in the woods with no purpose and have lots of time... sure. My major beef with these are the weight.
*has an axe*
*still uses knife to batton chop chop*
I see you are a bushcrafter aswell, good sir.
Much more control when splitting thin stock.