Are We Entering The Great Tribulation? New Discussion!
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2024
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Fire this has been amazing keep doing these theological episodes. Thanks Apologia praise God.
I really enjoy these deep dives into the Word. More please 🙏.
Love this series! So good to talk about it over and over. Get it all soaked up inside.😊 Thank you! And yeah it is tiring to always talk about the murder of babies but as was said we must until this evil is ended and under the feet of Jesus! Amen! Praying the Lord's favor on you as you go to the different states and all your endeavors on behalf of our unborn neighbors for His sake!Love you all at Apologia!
I'm looking forward to listening to this! God Bless Apologia! Keep fighting the Good Fight!
Great discussion, so glad to hear you lay this out so efficiently
Thank you brothers this was great
Thanks so much for your work on eschatology videos, more episodes please, i dont care how many episodes it takes i would love a full length walk through of corre-... i mean postmil eschatology.
I was raised pre mil, dispensational, rapture, the whole 9 yards. Now i am convinced that view is wrong and i want to be able to correctly speak on eschatology to my family and church, and your videos are very helpful towards that end
Waiting for the next episode. Thanks
Very edifying.
I like the way youall handled John 4 [minute mark 25:00-ish] and the woman at the well, "an hour is coming", "an hour is coming and now is"...that coming" was fulfilled in AD70. Consistency says, "John 5 was fulfilled in AD70 also.", right? Absolutely. 🙂
I am asking for discernment that I have never known about what has happened what is to come. My mind and heart is waiting and preparing for the second coming. I don’t believe in an anti Christ coming the way the church is waiting for and the place being built for him to rule. I believe to preach and teach the great commission of salvation and His coming. That needs to be careful of how you are teaching and I pray I don’t harm but build whoever is listening. I thank you for interpretation and help me to understand.
49:54 - “They shall be mine, says the Lord of hosts, in the day when I make up my treasured possession, and I will spare them as a man spares his son who serves him. Then once more you shall see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.” Malachi 3/17-18
This seems to be where Jesus is drawing the 2-sons parable, even though the motif runs throughout the Bible.
Jeff , where are we now ? point me to maybe to video or in the Word for understanding so we are not misunderstanding people that will not bring confusion. Thank you
Oh, this'll be a fun one
Great discussion. Now, if we can just bring light to the partial orthodox preterist and the full preterist disagreement. ;-) I'm FP btw ;-). Love the discussion regardless.
Tucson is the best!
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this is all well and good and the scriptures are consistent but what does this mean for Jesus' return? Just being honest but seeing all the evil in the world and the church shrinking across the world, it doesnt really feel like Christ is winning nor does it seem like judgment is occurring. But perhaps i need to wait for the 4th installment of this series
The world is a large place, I think it can be really easy to focus on our time/location at the exclusion of others. People said the same thing during WWII, the black plague, and during the fall of Rome. America, Rome, are merely flashes in the pan. Nations rise and fall, conquer and die out, and yet Christ continues to build his church.
I know we have different outlooks, so take this for what its worth, but when I read about the things that happened even as early as 500 years ago (let alone 2000) I thank God for how much better we have it in our day and age. Especially with the incredible advances in science. I have a disease that was a death sentence barely 20 years ago (diabetes) but thanks to (what I view as a result of Gods making the world more Christ like) Im able to live a fruitful and fulfilling life in spite of this.
Judgement when God gives up on people.they go insane not knowing if they are male or female etc.Thats judgement.
I'm not sure why you think the church is shrinking in the world? It may look somewhat dim here in America or perhaps some other Western nations, but that is not the case in far Eastern nations, and parts of the middle East, including Iran. We must not have such a narrow view of the success of the gospel when God has promised the nations will come to Him and be saved.
Paul, in 2 Thessalonians 2, clarified that the day of the Lord and us being gathered WON’T COME UNTIL… until the great apostasy happens, AND the revealing of the Antichrist. So, Paul related the Abomination of desolation to the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus.
Look at church history in increments of 500 years. You will see times of darkness, but overall the influence and growth of God’s kingdom has already been profound.
didnt Jesus already defeated death by resurrecting ? or am i missing something
HE overcame death, but death has not been defeated yet, you and I, unless Christ returns before our passing, will also die some day, millions and millions of Christians throughout time have died also. When Christ returns, we will no longer be beholden to death, incapable of escaping it.
Death is not a singular entity that Jesus fought a cage-match against and beat. My mom "beat cancer", and many people since then have still gotten cancer. Jesus' resurrection was a defeat of death that guarantees it will be defeated for everyone in the future. We have the promise of death's ultimate demise, and we see the power of death being diminished in the world until then
thank you for the explanations
"Whether you guys are pre-mill, PMDisp, A-Mill, Post-Mill or whatever" maybe Preterist for example?. Not sure if the Post-Mill leadership have decided to not mention Preterism and to keep it in check and off the algorithm. Just a theory at this point;-)
I cannot imagine one Jew on earth who could begin to refute any of this... id love to hear them try.
bad language from Luke and poisoning the body with cigars, right path?
What do you mean? Just wondering.
I see your interpretation and why one could draw this tertiary view, but what about not being able to buy or sell w/o the sign of man. Plus, wouldn’t the millennial reign of Christ on earth, then the leasing of satan for the other thousand, be coming to a close around the same ish timeframe as someone who is a tribulationist?
Granted, I and II John were written after Revelations, but wouldn’t the chronology outlined in Revelations, be incorrect?
How is death not defeated when Jesus rose from the dead, literally defeating death
He overcame death, but death has not been defeated yet, you and I, unless Christ returns, will also die some day, millions and millions of Christians throughout time have died also. When Christ returns, we will no longer be beholden to death, incapable of escaping it.
When you look through the corridors of time after Christ returned to heaven and see how Christian’s have suffered beheaded stoned burnt and everything you can think of How could there be something that could be considered worse?
A great tribulation nor na
Can someone explain the parables of the two son please, I didn’t understand. It’s the first time I heard it.
I believe this explains itself in Matt 21:31-32
Postmillenialism is kind of depressing…imo…years and years and years and years of slow progression and rebound….
I thought it seemed out of character for Jesus to overreact in a fit of rage at the random fig tree
Jeff, I love you guys and your work, but I’ve always been confused as to why I can never find you discussing this issue with people who hold to a premileenial view. You treat it like anyone with an opposing view on the subject has no idea how to read their bibles, even though more than half the modern church disagrees with you and there are loads of giants of the faith who also disagree with you. (And yes, plenty through church history also). You make such broad sweeping statements about your brothers and sisters who believe in victorious Christian living, yet also believe the kingdom of God has not been fully realized on earth as it is in heaven. A lot of things you say misrepresent the vast majority of premillennialists. Can you please invite someone onto your show who can present the opposing view who loves the Bible and accountable hermeneutics and have a fair discussion? I love your ministry, yet feel like you’re calling me a liar or an apostate when you talk about this issue. I want to know you can have honest open debate on the issue, and agree to disagree.
Some names that come to mind for me are
Jack hibbs
John MacArthur
Michael brown
S. Michael Houdmann
Ray Comfort
Even Mike Winger who doesn’t talk a ton on the issue.
The slightest move in the direction of loving discourse with someone on the other end of this subject would be so appreciated myself and many others.
He'd be out-gunned with any on your list
@@judithdabrow9843 LOL, not even a little bit.
This would be awesome
At about the 34:50 min mark Jeff, you mentioned that Jesus says that there are those of you who will not taste death until you see the Son of man coming into His kingdom, and you referred to this being the coming judgement of Christ.
I don't believe that is what Christ is saying. Do you think Jesus is saying that they won't taste death until they see Christ ascending into heaven to be seated at the right hand of the Father in His kingdom?
I ask because Christ says, "coming into my kingdom" which I strongly believe is heaven and not this earthly planet. And of course I understand the ramifications of that for one might say that this place is His kingdom for that's what both He and John the Baptist said of which was, "behold the Kingdom of heaven is at Hand".
Well, I believe that directly refers to salvation in that we, believers are made a Kingdom and priests as per Rev. 1:6 and Rev. 5:10 being part of the kingdom as both Paul and Peter said which I believe has to do with the doctrine of the "now and not yet" which means there is not two kingdoms meaning up in heaven and us hear on earth but we as ambassadors and citizens in heaven we are part of that same heavenly kingdom but being here on earth.
And as we both believe, every time the gospel is spread where someone gets saved we say that the kingdom has spread meaning it's the salvation of one's soul making them part of the kingdom but not this earthly place as the kingdom
Your thoughts?
But......Tucson? =)
Anyone else finding Zack's bare face distracting?
The phrase, "This generation shall not pass until all these things take place," is NOT a stand-alone phrase. It is in the MIDDLE of the budding fig tree parable. Therefore, in order to understand what Jesus was saying, it is important to understand that parable. Every preterist I have ever spoken to ignores the parable and acts like it is irrelevant. You cannot do that. From my research, the fig tree represents the nation of Israel. At the beginning of Matthew 24, Jesus prophesied the destruction of Israel. In the parable, He prophesied Israel becoming a NEW nation. That was what the budding of the leaves represented. So, the generation who witnesses Israel's rebirth will not pass before all the events in the middle of Matthew 24 take place. When was Israel's rebirth? May 7,1948. Furthermore, you have to prove how every prophecy in Revelation took place in 70 ad, which cannot be done. We see in Revelation that God calls Jews His holy people. In 70 ad, they were not called His holy people because they were cursed. I find it odd that we think it possible that Daniel can prophesy about the Messiah 400-500 years before His birth, but it is impossible for Jesus, John, and Paul to prophesy 2,000 years before the return of Christ.
You are miss-ordering the fig tree sentence in Matt 24. Its a comparison, just as you know the summer is near when the fig tree produces leaves, so also, when you see all these things (The PREVIOUS listed things) know that its near. Taking the fig tree out of this simple this-that context is very Scofield-notes like, and destroys the context of the passage. You're saying when the fig tree buds, these earth shaking things will take place. BUT, Jesus said that list of earth shaking things are signs of his coming in judgement, JUST AS the leaves on the fig tree are signs of summer coming. See? You're unintentionally flipping the signs and context inside out.
@@davidmiller9597 yes, and Luke - gentilecentric - says as much about any tree budding, summer is coming. Not about the fig tree in particular.
You're doing the very thing you accuse others of doing. All of Matthew (the signs, the fig tree, the generation) are all in the context of the question that the disciples asked concerning the destruction of the temple and the end of the age. They asked these questions due to Jesus' strong rhetoric form the previous chapter in which he called down seven woes on the pharisees and >>their generation
@@hudjahulos very good.
What’s with the jab at FLF?
It’s a friendly back and forth they’ve done for years
Thank you for asking this question. I have listened in for quite a while, but never heard the jabs at FLF. I’m so glad it’s a friendly exchange.
1 corinthians 15.54 57.death has been defeated no doubt about it just read the bible.
I don’t know people sugar coat this. Dispensationalism is not Christian. The system is not Christian.
RAPTURE READY AMEN 🙏
No just arrogantly rude
Short answer, very likely, yes.