Unknown is so fun but it gets so disheartening to play sometimes because of all these little things that can build up frustration. I think basekit blurry photo and refreshing weakened on direct hits sounds perfect, but I also think weakened should build up again on its own if the survivor hasn't looked at it in a long time.
Unknown is probably the most unforgiving killer in the game. When weakening someone, you only have a 3s window to injure them before they get rid of weakened (7s power cd with 10s weakened duration). That’s insanely strict. And if you injure someone, you then only have a 2s window to down them because of the 6s refresh. And the only way to give yourself more time is to get out of LoS, which is mostly down to map rng. And even if you get out of LoS, the removal of weakened has a 1.25s linger! A survivor can look at you for one frame and 1.25s of the 10s duration is guaranteed to be gone! It’s so forgiving on survivor side and so so punishing on the killer side. If you play perfectly, they’re an insanely strong killer, but you need to play PERFECTLY, and sometimes the projectile mechanics just screw your over and make that impossible. The bounce is cool theoretically, but in practice you want to minimize it as much as possible, because the bounce just gives survivors more time to react and dodge. They’re just so stressful to play in so many ways, but they’re also so close to being an almost perfect killer.
Yeah not to mention the weakened removal linger, I wish I added that in at the end because that dumbs down the counterplay so much. You're so right with all of this
I guess I would ask what maps don't let you break LOS? I can only think of one really egregious one and its midwich, and even then he gets a straight line shot on the survivor
@@rileyp1506 My guy you still have to get in LOS just to get out of tier 1. It doesn't take long for attentive survivors to spot you. And if they did spot you, they're gonna make it absolute misery for you trying to tier up because of that movement speed penalty
@@rileyp1506 Compare all that, to the Unknown, who literally just requires aim on your part. The only part that really comes down to survivor skill beyond that, is 50/50s on whether to bait the shot or not
@terrypennington2519 it takes 6 seconds and every myers uses some kind of add on that makes it sub 5. you can't commit in tier 1 that's what the stealth is for
the only thing they need to do to make bounces more consistent is make a very very very small cooldown between bounces so it cant hit 2 pixels in one second and not explode
as an unknown main, he is very strong, he's just insanely easy to counter. Two ideas I had was to give him a crouch or crawl like ghostface to counter survivors looking at him, and survivors can only dispel during the TP cooldown, just ideas though.
I also main this guy and I would love if they make his t cool-down slightly lower like 25 Seconds is a long time plus you wouldn’t know when you can tp again so maybe they should add a little timer next to his power
Pfft to be honest, I'd rather put my hours into any other ranged killer. I feel like with the same hours put into either, I'd get more out of learning huntress or something.
Honestly I don't even think that having poor results with The Unknown is a skill issue. If, for example, someone does poorly on The Singularity, that's usually a skill issue because the Killer is ludicrously hard to master. The Unknown on the other hand gives you these very clearcut instances where it _feels_ like their power should be working (because that's how it's advertised), and then flips a coin on whether it does or not.
P100 Unknown, i agree blurry photo should go basekit like SOMA family photo for Singularity. (to have a comparison) Direct hits should simply give another effect than hinder, you're shooting at the survivor to damage them, not to slow them down for an M1. Could be a refresh on the weaken like you said, for example. Long range shots are pointless unless the survivors are in animation. (reparing gens, totems, healing, vaulting etc...), even in corridors they can simply walk back towards you. I agree the projectile should be faster to allow for more risky/skillful shots, the explosion since doesn't need to be changed as it'd make it simply unavoidable mid to close range Also Unknown has the same issue that got Plague regarding aiming down, if a survivor is hugging you, literaly speaking, you cannot hit them with your power. As for workarounds to his flaws, always aim at the survivor's feets, your gimmick should be you have an absolute feet fetish and always aim for those, you can angle you projectile between a surface and the ground to make it detonate faster, giving less reaction time. There's a lot of tricks here and there but i'm too lazy to list them all lol I feel like he's 90% fine, he doesn't feel overpowered or anything, has a bit of everything, good skill ceiling, he just needs polish similar to what Singularity got recently. (also sadly the collision issues i feel are mostly a map problem rather than a power problem)
The weird thing is for me, I’ve had the exact opposite experience playing unknown. I played him just last night and had a great game. I think my secret is that A. I’m a big demolitions guy in video games so grenade launcher physics, grenade physics, etc is my bag and B. I don’t RELY on the UVX attack for downs, I maybe got 3-4 hits with UVX and that’s fine by me.
I totally agree with you're change ideas, I love unknown but in higher mmrs he's so difficult to use sometimes bc hiw inconsistently consistent he is yk?
An indicator that would twll you when the survicor is gonna get ridd of your goo would be perfect, bcuz you never know when they will which adds to the stress after succeding to hit a survivor with your power after 10 misses
I would even argue that a direct hit while weakened should just take a health state. Unknown is one of the most fun, unfun killers in the game because of the UVX, it's just frustrating to get "punished" for direct hits.
Some tips as a unknown main be patient make them come close to you with uvx out for a free hit dont weaken and dont shoot next to the walls and always aim it down a bit you can get neat trick shots as him also predict where to shoot he can be really fun once you get the gist of him sometimes survivors will be silly and respect the uvx and come close healthy abuse that bc being weakened is way better than a injure I hope you use and read this gl in future games
I genuinely don’t know why they made direct hits not do damage, or at least infect them/reset their infection. Like it has all the functionality of a grenade launcher except for direct hits, purely arbitrary
I main him, having loved him at first sight on the first day of his release on ptb. My favorite character in this game. Nevertheless, I completely understand you. Especially as a person who is easily upset by failures on a character that is especially important to me. Especially when you don't play for a week and get used to its gameplay. I felt every miss with his ability, ahah... This may sound silly, but I'm glad to know that making misses on this killer doesn't make me any worse at playing it.
This is how I felt for like the first 25 games playing the killer. You just have to play him enough to get used to how jank and inconsistent the UVX is. Which is kind of a bad thing that it turns into "just be skilled enough to play around the jank ass ability" imo. But I have found after playing him alot that it does become much easier to land hits. You're just always gonna get cucked at random when it bounces in a way that makes no sense a good third of the time though.
Unknown is very strong and can be very difficult to play against if played correctly, I haven't watched the video yet but I do think it's a skill issue if you're finding him frustrating or difficult
The only problem is he's unforgiving af and not even that strong. He's unbalanced in this sense imo. People are wrong when they think he's balanced. He's not. He should be way stronger because he requires a lot of skill.
correction, the rant starts at 6:29, not 7:15
Can't wait to see "Hag is 50. Unknown is 100"
Unknown is so fun but it gets so disheartening to play sometimes because of all these little things that can build up frustration. I think basekit blurry photo and refreshing weakened on direct hits sounds perfect, but I also think weakened should build up again on its own if the survivor hasn't looked at it in a long time.
Unknown is probably the most unforgiving killer in the game. When weakening someone, you only have a 3s window to injure them before they get rid of weakened (7s power cd with 10s weakened duration). That’s insanely strict. And if you injure someone, you then only have a 2s window to down them because of the 6s refresh. And the only way to give yourself more time is to get out of LoS, which is mostly down to map rng. And even if you get out of LoS, the removal of weakened has a 1.25s linger! A survivor can look at you for one frame and 1.25s of the 10s duration is guaranteed to be gone! It’s so forgiving on survivor side and so so punishing on the killer side.
If you play perfectly, they’re an insanely strong killer, but you need to play PERFECTLY, and sometimes the projectile mechanics just screw your over and make that impossible. The bounce is cool theoretically, but in practice you want to minimize it as much as possible, because the bounce just gives survivors more time to react and dodge. They’re just so stressful to play in so many ways, but they’re also so close to being an almost perfect killer.
Yeah not to mention the weakened removal linger, I wish I added that in at the end because that dumbs down the counterplay so much. You're so right with all of this
I guess I would ask what maps don't let you break LOS? I can only think of one really egregious one and its midwich, and even then he gets a straight line shot on the survivor
For me it's like 50/50 either does it hit in such a satisfactory way that I bust all over the floor
Or makes me feel depressed for 10 years
I think it just comes down to "I would be having a lot more fun at this tile if I was playing huntress"
I think out of all the years I watched bronx I don't think I ever seen him tilted lol
I can't think of a killer more dependent on survivor skill
Tier 1 Myers
@terrypennington2519 if you can't use stealth just say that
@@rileyp1506 My guy you still have to get in LOS just to get out of tier 1. It doesn't take long for attentive survivors to spot you. And if they did spot you, they're gonna make it absolute misery for you trying to tier up because of that movement speed penalty
@@rileyp1506 Compare all that, to the Unknown, who literally just requires aim on your part. The only part that really comes down to survivor skill beyond that, is 50/50s on whether to bait the shot or not
@terrypennington2519 it takes 6 seconds and every myers uses some kind of add on that makes it sub 5. you can't commit in tier 1 that's what the stealth is for
the only thing they need to do to make bounces more consistent is make a very very very small cooldown between bounces so it cant hit 2 pixels in one second and not explode
Yeah I got adept for the achievement then proceeded to put him in the "not even for a daily" pile.
as an unknown main, he is very strong, he's just insanely easy to counter. Two ideas I had was to give him a crouch or crawl like ghostface to counter survivors looking at him, and survivors can only dispel during the TP cooldown, just ideas though.
the crawl idea to help conceal himself would be so cool to see
I also main this guy and I would love if they make his t cool-down slightly lower like 25 Seconds is a long time plus you wouldn’t know when you can tp again so maybe they should add a little timer next to his power
He’s the best killer since wesker, easily
Honestly Singularity was also pretty amazing and Chucky too. Xenomorph is also really strong, but they could have made her power a bit more.. unique?
@@alexanderneve2323 it power*
He is also oddly satisfying when you land hits from far and through floors
Pfft to be honest, I'd rather put my hours into any other ranged killer. I feel like with the same hours put into either, I'd get more out of learning huntress or something.
I've said since he dropped Unknown is the worst range killer in the game.
MACHINE LEARNING VALUE WOOOO
Bronx you should try nowhere with lethal pursuer that longer aura really helps + i use monitor or / and discordance they make landing far hits easier
Honestly I don't even think that having poor results with The Unknown is a skill issue. If, for example, someone does poorly on The Singularity, that's usually a skill issue because the Killer is ludicrously hard to master. The Unknown on the other hand gives you these very clearcut instances where it _feels_ like their power should be working (because that's how it's advertised), and then flips a coin on whether it does or not.
An impact add on instead of a bounce would be sick as well
P100 Unknown, i agree blurry photo should go basekit like SOMA family photo for Singularity. (to have a comparison)
Direct hits should simply give another effect than hinder, you're shooting at the survivor to damage them, not to slow them down for an M1. Could be a refresh on the weaken like you said, for example.
Long range shots are pointless unless the survivors are in animation. (reparing gens, totems, healing, vaulting etc...), even in corridors they can simply walk back towards you. I agree the projectile should be faster to allow for more risky/skillful shots, the explosion since doesn't need to be changed as it'd make it simply unavoidable mid to close range
Also Unknown has the same issue that got Plague regarding aiming down, if a survivor is hugging you, literaly speaking, you cannot hit them with your power.
As for workarounds to his flaws, always aim at the survivor's feets, your gimmick should be you have an absolute feet fetish and always aim for those, you can angle you projectile between a surface and the ground to make it detonate faster, giving less reaction time. There's a lot of tricks here and there but i'm too lazy to list them all lol
I feel like he's 90% fine, he doesn't feel overpowered or anything, has a bit of everything, good skill ceiling, he just needs polish similar to what Singularity got recently. (also sadly the collision issues i feel are mostly a map problem rather than a power problem)
The sound plays and they don't get marked, feels like Plague gameplay
The weird thing is for me, I’ve had the exact opposite experience playing unknown. I played him just last night and had a great game. I think my secret is that A. I’m a big demolitions guy in video games so grenade launcher physics, grenade physics, etc is my bag and B. I don’t RELY on the UVX attack for downs, I maybe got 3-4 hits with UVX and that’s fine by me.
I really like this killer, but your points are valid.
I totally agree with you're change ideas, I love unknown but in higher mmrs he's so difficult to use sometimes bc hiw inconsistently consistent he is yk?
Try aiming at their feet when you’re in chase. I hear that works.
THANK YOU. I have been saying all of this since release, Unknown seems some QOL tweaks fs
An indicator that would twll you when the survicor is gonna get ridd of your goo would be perfect, bcuz you never know when they will which adds to the stress after succeding to hit a survivor with your power after 10 misses
I would even argue that a direct hit while weakened should just take a health state. Unknown is one of the most fun, unfun killers in the game because of the UVX, it's just frustrating to get "punished" for direct hits.
Some tips as a unknown main be patient make them come close to you with uvx out for a free hit dont weaken and dont shoot next to the walls and always aim it down a bit you can get neat trick shots as him also predict where to shoot he can be really fun once you get the gist of him sometimes survivors will be silly and respect the uvx and come close healthy abuse that bc being weakened is way better than a injure I hope you use and read this gl in future games
I genuinely don’t know why they made direct hits not do damage, or at least infect them/reset their infection. Like it has all the functionality of a grenade launcher except for direct hits, purely arbitrary
Exactly. They punish you for having perfect aim it’s insane
I think unknown would really benefit from a crosshair, even more than huntress or trickster.
I main him, having loved him at first sight on the first day of his release on ptb. My favorite character in this game. Nevertheless, I completely understand you. Especially as a person who is easily upset by failures on a character that is especially important to me. Especially when you don't play for a week and get used to its gameplay. I felt every miss with his ability, ahah... This may sound silly, but I'm glad to know that making misses on this killer doesn't make me any worse at playing it.
This is how I felt for like the first 25 games playing the killer. You just have to play him enough to get used to how jank and inconsistent the UVX is. Which is kind of a bad thing that it turns into "just be skilled enough to play around the jank ass ability" imo. But I have found after playing him alot that it does become much easier to land hits. You're just always gonna get cucked at random when it bounces in a way that makes no sense a good third of the time though.
Someone let me know if Bronx starts Audios.
You leave that sweet unfathomable horror alone, it’s doing its best 😂❤
Unknown is always 25:75 to hit
Bronx we all know this is your new main 🤣
Unknown is very strong and can be very difficult to play against if played correctly, I haven't watched the video yet but I do think it's a skill issue if you're finding him frustrating or difficult
he is so fun to dunk on people from far away
Idk as survivor he’s the main killer I can loop the best against and I’m not even good at survivors, I mainly play killer lol
@@nando6458 the unknown players are probably not that good no offence
@@goober2842 no they are pretty competent it’s just unknowns projectile is pretty shit
I have some good unknown clips if anyone wants some builds or gameplay tips
Just needs better add ons man
Unknown has almost everything you want in a killer. He is pretty bloated already.
The only problem is he's unforgiving af and not even that strong. He's unbalanced in this sense imo. People are wrong when they think he's balanced. He's not. He should be way stronger because he requires a lot of skill.
Not every killer is fun for everyone, if you don't like him its fine
As a p80 unknown you just have to lern more about him
Unknown is my fav killer, thats just a killer not for u lol, it happens
Played them once and didnt like it all your points are why i dont play them