Hunting the LAST Brand New Honda ATC!
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- We are on the hunt for the worlds last brand new Honda ATC 250! These 2 stroke powered tricycles were famously outlawed in the United States and have since earned a feared and revered reputation. If this bike is what we hope it is, it might just be one of the rarest dirt bikes on earth and certainly the holy grail of all terrain vehicles...but what would a machine like that cost? Let us know your guesses!
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Just a quick note to say that this ATC250R is actually a 1986 model not 85 .
correct. the 1985 had a different front light, first easily seen thing, then the warning he pointed out were not part the plastics until 1986 or if you had to order a replacement plastic for you 1985. there are a few other changes however this bike in this video is not a 1985 model. maybe sold in 1985 between september- december.
@@alw5632 Also the engine was painted black not gray. I raced an 85 ATC 250R motocross and a 88 TRX 250R.
I had the short tank kit on it. Plus 4 over replacement hubs.
85
Thank you. I was just coming here to say the same. Awesome video and topic though.
You definitely have a 1985 here. The 86 was the last year and the engine was black not like the grey 85. They produced an 87 model but none got out of factory or not that we know of but a lot of engine parts sold after 86 were stamped with the 87 part number. The 87 was a generation 4 250R and had engine and suspension upgrades.
Before covid a crate 86 ATC250R near me sold for $21,000 and it has changed hands 3 times that I k ow if then sold on E bay but not sure what it brought. I believe there are 3 that show up from time to time and a few 89 TRX 250R’s still in crates floating around the Midwest but never heard of one selling.
I have 4 ATCs currently. A 1984 Big Red, two fully suspended ATC 185s and a 1983 atc 250R. The guy to know in this situation is Preston Frasier, his channel is called " This old Trike". He literally has acres of these machines in various conditions mostly survivors. If you want to find a decent 250R he's the guy to ask.
Seen his MASSIVE awesome collection 😮 🇬🇧 🤟🙏👍🇺🇸
That's sweet I didn't even know you could make the 185 have full suspension. If I remember correctly they only came with front forks and no rear shock. Was it an aftermarket kit or did the parts come from the 250r. Planning on restoring my childhood 110 soon. Can't wait.
@@MotoLife541 The kits on the 185s were aftermarket in the 1980s and rare, I was able to find two of them both are 1983's. Fix them up and enjoy them as they were intended parts are mostly still available for them.
Preston is a clown.. he don't sell them hoards them his channel is not even big... sorry but ppl who are handed everything are nothing...
I rode my 86 ATC 250R just yesterday--had a blast as usual. They aren't any more dangerous than other machines, you just have to know how to ride them. The problem was parents saw the big balloon tires and allowed little Johnny to ride without a helmet unsupervised. They need to be respected just like any other machine.
Yeah its like the idiots that think quads are easier than dirtbikes and ride drunk with no brain bucket and dont lean, flip, then blame the machine
I could not have put it better your right mate
Exactly right I’m sure that one idiot is going to comment they’re death machines soon
@@insanetaco98 I mean quads are alot easier to ride then dirtbikes and 3 wheelers are absolutely more dangerous, especially for amateur riders , which most people are amateurs .
@@rickywoods3101 you clearly have never raced quads then. It's easy to tell who hasn't when they say bikes are harder.
Yep, it's a 1986. I had an 85...
Grey engine color(85 was black)
Imprinted warning on head light surround, 86 only.
Taller seat, 86 only.
Tool "box" lid shape,(flat) 86 exclusive.
I had 3or4 of them" two of my buddies had 1986s/and 1987s 250Rs the 87 were awesome...and the thumb throttle is a must for turning and leaning through corners" I luvd the ATCs....and I beat many a dirt bike on one...with good riders riding them! The ban was stupid,the numbers were inflated...but you did have to keep your feet on the pegs, cuz you could crew up the back of your legs! Great video man!
In the 80s I used to pick up golf balls at Austerfield Golf course/Doncaster on a Honda 110 trike dragging a contraption behind ,absolutely AWESOME. 🇬🇧
Really excited to see some videos on some three wheelers. I I personally own a trx250r and atc250r. I love these machines. I have alot of fun wrenching,collecting and riding them. Not a whole lot of content on UA-cam for them so I’m really happy that you’re making some awesome channel. Keep it up.
I still have my 1981 honda atc 250R. My uncle bought it brand new. When he passed I inherited it. It is still in amazing condition and runs like a top to this day.
Thank for updating the 1986 status! Love your channel! Cr500 trx/atc big bore guy! The atc seat rear brake, pj carb and black upper tripple clamp and grey motor all scream 86. I have never personally seen an 86 with black lower triple clamp, and the wear on the front brake rotor, makes me feel it’s restored.
Wheelers were fun in the wintertime. I worked at a dealership then and seemed like EVERYONE had one. They also were the beginning of ruining our local motocross tracks, 3 balloon tires altered the ruts&berms, 4-wheelers even worse with hump left between tires. Diane Feinstein and her Dem chronies put a stop to those 3-wheelers though, and the manufacturers responded with throwing another wheel on the front. The damage was done though. IMO we never sold as many Quads as we did 3-wheelers. And yes the first time I rode one I stuck my leg out into a corner and ran over it😂
The ATC 250R is the most beautiful all-terrain machine ever made!
i started on a honda 70 atc dad had a 185 S. I loved tiding ATCs i used to race my 70 at local tracks. I remember walking in cycle shop seeing rows of 250r, 350x, 200sx, 185 and other models
I'm 40, grew up riding three-wheelers. Still own some and love riding them. Had race machines, woods machines, every type of trike and rode a LOT. Never got one injury. I ride MX, much more than I ride my trikes.....can't count how many times I've crashed. Broke many bones, have many concussions, many scars, and almost died after an MX crash. Basically what I'm saying is, if ya know how to ride trikes, they aren't dangerous......they're fun AF
A guy in my neighborhood had one in the early 90 s and it was the baddest thing around.Extended swing arm ,fmf,roost boost ,side winder ,all that.
Sounds like a beast :) Thanks for watching Chris.
He calls it a 1985 but... it is an 1986 model. It was likely build in late 85. In 85 the 250R seat had "250R" printed on the side. The 86' had "ATC" on the seat and 250R on the radiator shroud.
silver engine is also a give away its a 86, the 85 had a black engine
Plus, for 1986, Honda made the seat a little bit taller as with the '85 model you kind of sat "in" it rather than "on" it. My brother had the '85 (I had the brand new Suzuki QuadRacer 250), and it was stupid fast. It smoked my 'Racer easily.
There is a plethora of differences between 85 and 86...
Not positive but pretty sure the gold wheels were also started in 86 I know my 86 had them and I don't think my buddy had them on his 85 but been a long time ago I could be wrong
@@davidmarcey7970 85 had gold wheels .. the 85 had more of a rich gold color.. the 86 was more of a brighter color..
I love it, had one, it's cool. But it has been ridden. Those rotors don't lie!!
I have 1985 250r ATC and live only 30 min from where you were filming and you could have popped in and smelt the 2 stroke smoke and even started it up and then felt the vibes going through your soul 🥰.
My Covid project was an '83 200X that I ride all winter at the Imperial Sand Dunes. They are so much fun and they aren't THAT sketchy if you know how to ride them. This video was amazing. Can't wait to see your future 3 Wheeler content.
Thanks :)
I have several atc 250rs 81-86 .This is a nice restored not brand new the tires are replaced these came with Pro Vector tires the replacement tire have P/V like this atc has .86 250r. The front disc has wear on it the brake pedal has wear marks. The front brake line is faded when new the outer coating is clear.The engine looks darker Grey then Oem gray.The rear silencer has chipped paint plus the exhaust is to glossy the oem paint is more of Flat black.The forks are pitted the brake hose guide is pitted. The 85-86 differences are top triple clamp is black on 86,tires and rims are different 85 has Dunlop on Hirata rims 86 has Provector tires on Enkei rims.The whole rear swingarm ,bearing carrier, axle,brake mount, skid plate, rear sprocket and hub are different. Front brakes were different. Plastics on 86 were more payable than 85.Seat and logo and decals.Gas cap.Kill-light switch, throttle housing, carb, engine color,Inner front fork springs 85 2 piece 86 one piece. Fork rake 86 has more than 85.Tool boxes are different.
What an awesome find! Great video as always max.
Glad you enjoyed it
I used to have an '83 and an '85. What a blast they were to ride year round, mud, snow, trails, track, it was always fun and a totally bulletproof machine. No issues ever.
I so wanted one of these crazy bikes in my teens.
I had the atc70 as a kid. Shared it with my brothers. We loved it
Only rode the ATC70 as a mate ran a Honda dealership.Needless to say,Great Fun but 3 wheels and The TIP FACTOR is huge.A 2stroke Honda Odyssey was stacks of FUN.Love this Channel.
Thanks Thomas :)
86 was last year in US making the 86s more desirable than 85s. The "holy grail" would be an 87 that someway somehow made its way to existence.
85-86 Honda 250R best looking ATC ..
Oh man I had so many atc110 and us90 back in the day. Silly to outlaw them. I rode and always wanted a 250r and also 250sx! Oh man plus the 200 and 350x! All great bikes!
That is, as others have said, an '86, not '85.
There actually is an '85 that is still in the crate, unassembled, that shows up on eBay every couple of years. Last time I saw it I believe it sold for $25K.
Amazing find. Coolest machine ever.
DA Restorations in the US has had a lot of Tigers come through his shop, including a 500 or two. He's got a channel on youtube. MacWorth Vintage ATVs does top-notch restorations--he also has a channel--but I think they are mostly Hondas. Lastly, if you want to visit the largest ATC/quad collection in the world, go to Binky's Forever ATC Museum in Virginia.
You're the first mention of binkys that I've seen while scrolling comments
Great video as always. Rode one of these back in 1981 next to the Honda shop I was working at. Tried jumping a small ditch and crashed, nothing hurt only my pride! lol Last time I ever rode one. Very fast but didn't handle very well. Cheers!
Cheers Don :)
I had a 1985 250r . With some mild motor mods and a 3” stretch rear swing arm it wheeled over upshifting to 3rd gear going down the face of a steep dune . It could cruise 65 mph on pavement . I liked it better than my trx250r with cr500 swap better because it was smoother running with the balance shaft motor .
I really miss my '86 250R. It was such a hoot. Like them better than quads! RUGER
Nice video Max, it's certainty an odd one this time, what a strange beast the ATV was , thank god they moved on to quad bikes.
Speechless and amazed. I grew up riding ATC's. Still have my 200X. I only rode a 250 for one weekend. Regret not getting one when i had the chance. Price ? I'd give $25K for this masterpiece. Awesome story 👍
It's a 1986 for sure, I had one back in the day and regret selling it back then, especially with the prices they fetch today. Wheelies On Demand and could Climb any Hill you had the Balls to try. No other ATV could touch it except for a "Built" Banshee.
Around 1988-90 my dad had the 250cc and I had a 90cc. Our backyard was miles of desert trails so we road quiet often. I thought my dad was the baddist man out there on that 250 haha. Then I upgraded to a YZ80 and realized those 3 wheelers were death traps. Good memories.
I wanted one of these back in the day. Had an 86 ATC 200X which was great but the 250r was indeed the holy grail.
That’s an 86 machine not an 85 machine. This is because of the style of seat cover, black top triple clamp and grey engine. The 85 had a black engine, aluminum top clamp. And had 250R on the seat cover and the seat was slightly shorter.
Awesome had one in the 90s it nearly killed me 😊 awesome machine Holly Grail 😊
My brother had the '85 model (yours is actually an '86) and it was beyond fast. The motor was an absolute beast and it smoked my '85 Suzuki QuadRacer 250 EASILY.
To be fair, and dont hate me on this. Everything smoked the LT250R lol
@@insanetaco98 Nothing out handled it tho! Then Suzuki Quadzilla 500 came out & beat everything. -NW Ohio
@@Davido50 the trx250r literally out handled them
Great video once again my friend. Big fan since day one. Hopefully change the world. Kids riding are not robbing. With less and less land to ride. Sadly I'm scared of our future.
You're so right, all the land I grew up riding ATCs is warehouses or parking lots,😡
The Banshee was just sooo good!!!
I always wanted one in my back in the day and still would love to have one. 💨💨
Please do a show on the 1975 yz360b as the first big bore two stroke motocross bike with the monoshock I think you would love it!!! They are almost unobtainium now but they are a real important piece of motocross history!!!
We'll take a look Andy and see what we can find.
I know someone in southern california that has an entire warehouse full of these. Literal hundreds of them in beautiful pristine condition
Of course you do.
I was actually just wondering what the story was behind the ban. After seeing an amateur arena cross with them. Quite spectacular!
The 85 were all air cooled. The 86 was the first year they made a water cooled bike.
Probably about 5 years ago there was a video of a guy having a ATC 250r still in the crate. And put it on eBay. It was up to $60,000 USD last time I seen it on eBay
Sixty grand? Unfortunately, I have to say that's impossible. I don't care what condition it is - brand new in the crate or not - no one is going to spend 60k on a three wheeler.
That wasn't the reserve that's what ppl had bid it up to my man
@@stkyfngrszmooth It's true.
@ThisOldTrike That's insanity. I think I might know what's going on. I used to be in the used car business, and we would work the auctions quite a bit. Sometimes you'd get word about a buyer who really wanted something we were selling so we would put a plant in the crowd and they would bid up the car to crazy numbers against this particular buyer and sometimes we'd be able to bump the price thousands more than it normally would have. It was pretty effective, and I'm wondering if this is what's going on here.
If you read about it on 3 wheelerworld it ended up selling for Around 32 thousand at the time or was it 38. I forgot but the guy bought it and put it together and started using it. And there were pictures at the sand dunes. Of the new owner on it.
But they never got the crazy money it hit on eBay sadly.
What about doing a build series with BVC Trikes? Maybe use a Maico 700 as a donor?
The front brake disk shows evidence of being burnished in which requires the vehicle to be started and run, either on a Dyno or on the ground, at a relatively fast speed. This would indicate that it has been started at least once and driven.
All three wheelers and quads have thumb throttles and still do to this day. It does not make them harder to ride although it may take some getting used too coming off a twist throttle.
I had a 82 cr250r back in 2000 and beep beep Yamaha banshees up the dunes at Dumont.. those were good time's 😊
Yes I know where two of these 1986 models are brand new still in the shipping crate in box in Palestine Tx.
I also loan a 1986 Honda 250r I purchased brand new in November 1986. It has about 10 hours on it since new.
The gentleman that has the two new ones in the crate never assembled has five or six others one is a 200 X, a 1987 big red and I think a 185 he owned Palestine back in the days and kept them for investments thinking he was gonna be able to sell them after the 10 year ban but never did.
He sold a 350x new in the crate just before Covid hit to a gentleman just outside of Tyler Texas for $20,000.
He has been offered $40,000 apiece for those 250r's and turned them down.
Take a look over in Egypt. In the early 90s, they had a bunch of the 250Rs that we took around the desert and never had any roll over problems, but after a few hours of playing we soon learned that with 3 wheels you could ride them on 2 easily for quite a distance, and I don't mean the 2 rear wheels, they were great fun trikes
13:20 as of now no one to date has come forward with an 87 model year, although some magazine test riders rode them in late 86 , allegedly
That bike did not need a power valve it already had plenty of power. I owned the 83 air cooled version and it was so sick only 5 gears to but it was so fast and it didnt feel like it need another gear like the 3rd gen is insane its crazy honda took this thing to that level. They wanted to blow out the competition. All bike came with them stickers I thought. But not all bikes had it imprinted in the plastics so yeah I agree with that.
Didnt need one but CT, Duncan, and Sparks all offered shit to put a CR power valve on it at one point or another
I rode a million miles on an ATC 110. Big enough to haul ass and carry you and some gear, Small enough to get unstuck by yourself, and can float across a river.
11:34 it didnt share a lot with the 2 wheeler it was inspired by the 2 wheeler
Sweet trike!
I use to ride one all the time when I was just 12 or 13 had a blast
Woooow! Quite a contrast compared to my 85 Frankenstein stitch 250R. That's why I call it Franky for short.
Please get your hands on its 4 wheeled counterpart (shares all the same engine components) but specifically an 88 or 89 TRX250R. Those things were so good they raced em til 03-04 when the 450s hit the market
Someone say trx,lol🍻🙌
😎🤑🤑🤑🤑I’ve watched a video of a guy with a warehouse full of them,if I remember rightly they used to hire the little 70 or 90s down at my beach but I was too young to go on 👍🏻
Having owned many 3 wheelers I will say the R was one of the safest. At least it had fairly decent suspension. That's said and knowing a few owners of my 85R, it was responsible for about a quarter million in medical bills. Not mine, I learned respect at a young age.
Something really sad about that thing never getting to go for a ride !
Having the original tool packs is rare.
The only question I got is if it’s never ran how does the front disk brake look like it has had some use is it dragging like crazy or? Just looks like pads have started there break in on the disk.
You guys do a lot of really cool custom builds it would be awesome to see you guys find an act 250 that was suitable to convert to a 500 with the CR engine
Thats what my friend rode. I had a 250 tecate. The tecate was the better motor . I was at least 50lbs heavier then he was. And riding a quad not a trike. Could beat him in a drag race. Hill climbs not so much😅. I had done some porting on the exhaust side though so don't know how they would compare stock.
How many people are injured on motorcycles?,cars ? Trampolines? Quads!! That said the 250r’s were really crazy to tame ! Take a 350x with torque for days and decent suspension and go for a rip . You would love it !!!!
Although I owned many CR 250s through the years and still have one,I’ve wanted an ATC250 R since 1985!! If eBay had been around back in the day I would have gotten one! Now in my 50s I guess it’s not going to happen.
The '86 250R is the more desirable machine not the '85
Well all i can say is it was worth skipping the p hub and watching this lol that is one nice machine.
Gotta love them 250r I have a 83
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I would love to see you do a video on the lt500 quadracer (quadzilla)
You need to do a video on the 350x tri-z and the Tecate t3 and I have 2 of them but no Tecate
I love the honda atc 250 as much as my 03 cr 250 ❤❤❤ chick's dig em too
Thanks for watching Martin :)
$20k minimum. Sucky part about never being started though, I bet the cylinder and bearings all have a ton of rust in them. Same with rhe carb. (Aluminum oxidation)
You guys should buy one of those CRF ATC conversions. Pretty sure someone made a CR500 one too
Now your speaking my language lol love atcs
Awesome, we have a few things coming up with ATC's that I think you' enjoy then ;)
The two lads racing each other in the clip you posted are Dean Sundahl, and Mark Weixeldorfer. They were Honda Factory riders. Two of the best. Ask me how I know.
Dean is a legend. King of the desert in my opinion.
Mike Coe Steve Wright Curtis sparks and Marty hart weren't bad either
@@tricycleguy2657 neither was Gary Denton. Only quad guy in the AMA HoF
@@insanetaco98 I think he may be the winningest atv rider in history
@tricycleguy2657 maybe. My old man would probably know more since those were the guys winning when he was younger. For me I was watching Gust, Jones, Farr, Byrd, Spader, Goodman, and Ellis battle it out
Mate had one back in 85/86 , crashed it once and never rode it again 🤣🤣🤣
Three wheelers were sold in Canada, Mexico and Australia in 1987
we call em trikes in the usa :) The arsto conversions were wild..turned atcs into atvs. Bvc builts brand new trikes...even 500cc 2 smokers. buncha tiger 500s in the usa..there is a place in lousanana that restores them.
Not sure where you’re from but me and all my buddies called them 3wheelers down in MS, never heard anyone call them a trike back then. We all had Big Reds and with the right tires they would float, forded many rivers and creeks trying to get to that good hunting spot. I finally got around to restoring mine a couple years ago and all my quad buddies were scared to death on it saying it was a death trap. Obviously I’ve been on quads for quite a while now but I swear there were places quads couldn’t follow when I on the Big Red.
@SakoRichards the 350x is a beast. i don't know what you got in the UK vs the usa but man that atc you videoed was amazing. I'm going 380cc billet cases cpi cylinder ..going to be a wild 2 stroke build that might kill me.
@@SakoRichards We call them three-wheelers here in NY as well. We had a couple growing up as kids and that's what we learned to ride on. My father has a 1982 ATC 185S and my grandfather had a 1985 Kawasaki KLT 110.
The 185S could get up to speed quicker because it was stronger but the 110 had an extra gear so it could still keep up when it got up to speed. They were both fun machines but the 185 was a total back killer. 😁
@@minibikemadman not sure why you think I’m a Brit when I stated I’m from Mississippi?
@@SakoRichards that's what happens after a few whiskey sours lol.
Ah, the old tib/fib snapper😂
😂
Putting a foot down on one of these was the worst thing you could do.
@@stkyfngrszmooth oh yes. I've heard of people running over their own legs. 😱
@paulbudford That's why nerf bars were necessary for racing. That and so guys wouldn't be getting locked together or running over each others tires.
I rode one, it was fun.
it has been started and driven, you can see on the front disc brake that there are signs of wear... I have held many new disc brakes in my hand and I can say with 100% certainty that disc brake is not new
So ?
@@kingkong81icloud so that means it is not new and has never been started, and the price is another... and the value is much less
@@TEAMVISKAT81 yea I know, but you can tell it’s been ran , them little nobles on tyres have gone too, it’s got a good hour or two , but not much
Any piece of Machinery is dangerous they need to bring the three-wheeler back
Thats the perfect built bike. They are awesome.
Theres a guy who has one still in the box unassembled 250R out there.
Seen that dude with the one in a box that you speak of. This guys a dumb, dumb only one in the world talk about click bait don’t even know what he’s talking bout calling a 86 an 85. Some people….
have and ride a 86 250r, great shape and fun as hell to ride. have and ride a mint 84 big red 200 shaft, high low and reverse, and a second mint 200 chain drive, going after a nice 70 tomorrow I hope. there's rumored to be one in a crate in my town, but I expected to see out and about when his father passed and it never showed. I'm curious what the guy would have to have for that if he was to sell it. I'd guess 50 grand but wouldn't be surprised if it could fetch a quarter million.
That’s because the 250 R actually came out with a front kit that could turn it into a four wheeler instead of a three wheeler no one else ever done that
My mates dad has a try z 250 still got the stringy bits on the tyres
I think I’m going to go run my ATC250R in my wash right now.
ill take my titled 380 big bore trx trx250r.. i do plan on building a trike soon my buddy has like 5 frames.
I had a 250 that I loved but traded it for a 94 honda xl250r.. both bikes were excellent..❤
There’s a video on here from about 12 years ago of one still in the crate never assembled. Don’t know if it has been assembled since then tho.
@999lazer it would be cool to see a christiani 2x2 review
When I a kid my friend had one it was very fast but that's when gas was lead.