Weird Wood Stains #3. Natural methods for coloring wood.
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Steve's commercials are the only ones I never skip!
This isn't related to the specific topic, but it's still important for beginning woodworkers to hear:
I was working on a bed frame this afternoon, sawing some pine on the table saw, when a fairly large piece chipped out and caught me right in the safety goggles. Scared the bejeezus outta me. I've always worn safety gear while woodworking, but up until now, never actually had anything happen to necessitate it. But hey, if I wasn't wearing goggles today, I'd have lost an eye.
Moral of the story is: SERIOUSLY. BE SAFE. YOU CAN'T CONTROL EVERYTHING. It's better to wear safety gear and not need it versus needing safety gear and not wearing it.
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Pomegranate stained Pine. The poor man's purple heart.
Maybe even better because it won't turn dark brown over time!
Also, a good experiment technique I have found is to set the end grain of any kind of wood or bamboo into the dye you make and leave it overnight. If you can cover the entire piece of wood and hold it down under the dye, it will give more colorful results. Sometimes, a second night with the other end of end grain facing down will give even more interesting results. Sometimes, you get a situation where the end grains and some of the wood nearest them will stain and the middle will stay a lighter shade of the dye. It's interesting for different effects and fun to try.
Agreed
My young daughter used boiled down concord grapes from our yard that had wonderful results. We made great projects using it.
I would boil or simmer the finished liquid till its alittle thicker and get stronger color.
I've used green rit dye, mixed it strong in water, got it boiling hot, it stained the wood a very dark green and really brought out the wood grain. Topped it off with tung oil and it looked beautiful..I used this on a wooden pipe that I made for someone. They loved the way it came out. The gloss of the tung oil.really brought out the color as well.
Thanks Steve for another nice test. I have had good luck with making alcohol based tea dye. Also since most of your tests are more dye than stain, it would be a better evaluation to hit them with a topcoat of something, since dyes always look less vibrant until you top coat them.
I'm surprised you didn't use pre-stain...do you think that might have made a difference? You know how pine is. I'd love to see what happens if you decide to try to make the stain a little thicker.
This reminds me of reading an amazing book on wood finishing written by George Frank. He went in to great detail with his finishing techniques including french polish and pore-filling techniques. He said experimentation was essential.
I made 1" round oak press plates for a wine press that I had to slap together when we moved to a new house that had preexisting grape vines. We went to a different extracting process the next year and those plates became awesome purple tinted cutting boards for x-mas gifts!
I’ve been making my own black walnut stain for years! My favorite time of year is picking those suckers up. And putting it in a bucket letting it steep for a few weeks. Strain out or pick out the hulls and trash. Strain. Boil liquid for a few hours to thicken. Works great!
This is a new genre of "Edible Woodworking" -- where you combine Woodworking and Cooking: Start with a 2 x 4 cut to length of your pan, add decorative holes with a forstner bit then saute with wine and onions and do a reduction for 10 minutes. This may end the issue of not enough fiber in the American diet, and now we have something on par with Fruitcake to give as a gift for holiday cheer.
no my friend you are doing this incorrectly. You must first constantly trim it while collecting all said saw dust. THEN yes add your onions wine whatever, and use it as a filler of any sort. Try it with bread!
I think if you filter them through a cloth and boiled off most of the water you'd get a stronger and more even stain. Cool idea!
Ive used red palm oil recently to make a beautiful yellow colour! Just used it right out of the jar like you did the shoe polish. I love all these ideas!!! Anything I can use and still have my bird in the room with me is a plus at my house :)
When we dyed Easter eggs with onion skins, we'd save the skins for months. Then we had a whole lot of them in the pot. If you used many more skins, it would have been much darker. Our eggs were a beautiful mahogany color. I'll have to start saving my onion skins and give it a try.
You will get very different results by simply using room temperature isopropyl alcohol instead of warm/hot water as many colors are only alcohol soluble. I get very different results when I use aniline dyes and prefer using alcohol. Give it a shot!
Hello steve :) I lov ur videos. You inspired me to get tools and start my own projects. Thank you :) greetings from Ireland
Thanks Danny! Keep at it!
Im a microbiologist and we use two common stains when staining cells: Crystal Violet and safranin. if you get some on your clothes or skin they are nearly impossible to get out, I'm sure they would work great. I just looked them up and you can get a quart of each for like $10.
bleach works provided you can repair the bleach damage with dye. iodine is worthless as a dye. i tried safranin and it takes three coats on western red cedar and then it was sort of pinkish using a heat gun on the stained wood caramelized the wood and I got a good deep red that was pleasing like a deep red mahogany. wish I had some acridine orange.
Next: Christmas wood stains.
Come all ye faithful and try these:
Pine needles.
Pumpkin pie mix.
Spices typically used during the holidays.
Eggnog.
But your previous test was on oak and this one is on pine. It makes a difference because oak has a lot more tannens/tanic acid, and will react much more than pine will with natural dies that oxidize. The Vinegar will react a lot more with oak than pine.
A really fun thing to use natural dyes on is bamboo. If you place the bamboo ends into natural dyes and stains, it absorbs the dyes and still keeps the speckled look on the ends. It's good for when you are using bamboo as an accent and plan to leave the ends of it exposed. I get some of those bulk bamboo chopsticks online (just about any that are really bamboo will work) to use sometimes. The chopsticks are perfect for miniatures and dioramas and perfect to test different dyes and stains. Black food coloring on a bamboo chopstick leaves the perfect shade of jet black with just a little bit of shine to it.
I have given up on ebonizing pine. I mean truly making it black and leaving some grain showing. The only thing that I have found that works even close is to use a mixture of alcohol and acrylic paint or alcohol and black food coloring. Even then, it's pine. It's not gonna accept stain evenly. My favorite wood as far as wood grain goes is pine, but I usually just end up clear coating it as is when I am done to keep the grain showing. I wish there was a way to keep that yellow color on southern yellow pine as it ages. Maybe I should try some turmeric diluted to get that effect.
Sorry to write a book, but I love experimenting with making my own dyes and stains, because the store bought ones are expensive and depending on the wood you are using, might not give the same results. It saves a ton of money to experiment on scraps of each kind of wood and each thing you plan to use for dye first.
"Talking Point No. 5" is a cool nickname but that kid's never going to find a bicycle name license plate with that on it.
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Great stuff, I've used coffee and even tea to stain wood in the past, its really fun to experiment!
Its the icing on the cake! Your video inspired me to try a few home products as well.
I found birthday cake icing in the cabinet. It worked nicely. It was used right out of the tube. Probably not ideal for large projects. Great video's!
Pine is itself slightly acidic, which is probably why both cabbages came out the same.
You can also boil down the rinds from your pomegranate to get a nice range of quite persistent dyes.
What a wonderful idea
Beats would be a pretty powerful dye.
Ive noticed onion juice left overnight on my oak cutting board stains it blue/black. Considering bagging the whole thing in blended onion in the hope of making it more uniform and cool looking.
i experimented with a few stains a few years back... and read that using tea as a base coat will intensify the end results... i tested it and seemed to make a massive difference... apparently something to do with adding more tannin to the wood which the stain reacts with...
You should do a Weird Wood Stains #4
Great video as usual Steve !
I like the onion skin for easter egg comment. That is cool.
I've used diluted acrylic craft paint for a few projects. It's super cheap, has a low odor, and comes in any color you could think of.
It always brightens my day to see that Steve has posted a video! Did the pomegranate juice leave a sugary, sticky surface behind that might excite ants or other buggers? Thanks, Steve!
yeah but which wood sample now tastes the best?
Could the stain be more intense, and pop the grain more, if you mixed these with wood oil? (Some it wouldn't work for, e.g., since boiled onions are inherently water-based, but for turmeric or crushed berries maybe.) Would you be able to put oil poly over it once the oil had dried/been absorbed completely?
Great to see you Steve!
I tried using instant coffee concentrate on a dowel years ago and it didn't really change color. I got a free, antique dresser from a yard sale that someone had stripped the finish off the mahogany front and I've hesitated putting anything on it because it looks like a spider in the graining. I want to preserve that and some of those spice dyes look interesting.
It would be cool to see on another type of wood like Oak maybe
it would be interesting to see what hair dye would do. there are more natural colors obviously but i think experimenting with some brighter and unconventional colors would be neat (you can even try some neon dyes). it will probably look horrendous but fun to try nonetheless
Next time you make avocado stain, add a couple drops of vinegar. In fact, do that with ALL natural stains. Change the pH, change the color.
I love the color of the coffee one, I'm gonna test it in my shop to check it out...thanks man (and I prefer to drink the coffee hahaha )
I get it... ever since Steve got sponsored by Casper he's done fewer uploads. Almost as if he's spending more time on those comfy Casper mattresses and less in the shop. lol
In the 1800's bug were sometimes used to dye articles of clothing
Not sure how to make the dye but would be interesting to see if it would work on wood
This sires is amazing is used these stains when I first got in to making stuff
Surprised you didn't try coffee (instant), I've used it for years as an economical stain works great.
I just finished making (and applying) stain made from black walnuts. All I did was soak them in water for 4 days, filter, and apply. Even after 3 coats the tint was very light, nothing like what I wanted. But, when I applied a beeswax/orange oil finish the full color popped right out, almost a jacobean tint. I wonder if some of your weaker stains might pop more by doing the same, or maybe using mineral oil.
My old lady saw this and said he's making the wood more tasty for the termites jokingly of course
Very interesting stuff, Steve. Thanks for sharing. BTW I purchased a Casper mattress last year. My wife and I love it!
Would any of these (or the previous stains) be food safe for a cutting board project?
That's why I came here!
Onion skins work great for a just slightly brownish tinted red. But you have to cook a pot full of skins in as litlte water as possible, and let the wood soak. A similarly concentrated black tea yields a light, warm brown color, if applied in 6-7 layers - concentrated tea means like 20 bags or so in just 15 ounces of water, boiled for half an hour. Now, if, after having applied the tea, you brush over just once with some vinegar in which you kept rusty old nails for a few days, you'll see the wood immediately turning black. Really black black, not grey. Only, any surface with pores blocked by un-sanded areas that were smeared with glue will show as light, insufficiently covered spots. What gives the nicest red, IME, is red beets - grate, boil in as little water as possible, filter, then boil some more to concentrate the pigment.
Steve , I remember many years back you did a similar experiment with pomegranate juice ( that was the winner then and now too). 😊
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I think this entire test should be redone but this time with a more concentrated solution of each one. Then a coat of poly or lacquer should be applied to see its effects..... Great video by the way
What about natural dyes used for textiles and creating pigments? Indigo, pokeberry, ochre, madder?
Would like to see the long term results. Red cabbage staining in particular tends to totally disappear quickly in sunlight.
I couldn't tell, was that a paid ad? ;) Always hilarious!
Steve I recently had made a vinegar and steel wool stain. I used this stain on a cedar couch table. The vinegar and steel wool turned the cedar an interesting silver color. After completing the build, I took Watco crystal clear lacquer and sprayed the lacquer on to the stained couch table. Immediately after the lacquer contacted the stain, the stain turned a deep rich brown color. Do you know anyone who may have had this issue?
Sriracha (hot sauce) seems to work as well, probably will even deter insects :-D
Only liked for the ad :D
Thanks for the video i am going to try pomegranate on a cutting board
I wonder if some of the dyes would be a bit stronger if you squeezed the oils out of the various veggies and fruits and used them as an oil based dye or stain. I still love turmeric the best. I have used that one like crazy since seeing it for the first time.
I'm tempted to stain the floor of my deck with a concoction of turmeric and oil to see how it goes. It can only look better because right now, it is plain with nothing on it. I am giving it some time to finish warping and twisting like all of the lumber from our local Lowes does. It is such a nightmare since Carter went out of business and Lowes monopolized our lumber sources, at least from a store without processing it ourselves. I'm thinking about giving it another year, then planing it back into something resembling a deck again before I start prettying it up.
I feel like it’s not soaking in well because of the waters surface tension at the micro level. Maybe dehydrate the pigment and mix with alcohol
how did you make your pomegranate stain?? i love it!
What about eggplant? Would it make a purple dye if you found a way to get the color out of the outer layer? Maybe you could boil it down to a really concentrated gel and try it. Or just try it as is.
I often find stains do not "stick" as well when the wood has not been sanded. Cant tell from the video but did you sand these boards or am I imagining that is even a factor? ha
Animal blood was sometimes traditionally used in korea. You should be able to buy frozen pig blood or beef blood in some asian supermarkets
For a more dramatic testing try them on brand new whiter t-shirts. I bet they will really show their colors!
Great video.
Hmmm, would boiling them in mineral oil yield a more colorful and penetrative stain?
Did you sand off the yellow coating that is added to these boards before applying the stain?
perhaps you should take some sanding sealer and then apply those natural stain. just for share my thought.
It looks like the sample boards might need to be sanded to be able to have a darker staining effect.
Pomegranate plus steel? I wanna say (whatever kind of metal they use on dental braces) make a green dye
They use it on Persian rugs
...And completely ruined my teeth when I had braces
The amazing result i got is when i put rusted piece in a vinegar jar for 24h, after remove the piece and filter vinegar...You will get a cool rustic effect. When you applie it will be transprent and 5 mn later the result appears to be fixed half and hour later
Vinegar and steel wool will give the same aging effect.
Try to make a solution of water and drain cleaner (sodium hydroxide/lye)/bleach/washing soda and sugar. After that mix some charcoal and see if it produces a black colour.
Can you recommend any commercially available eco friendly wood stain? I want to use something eco friendly for my fence..
if you would have combined a base fluid with the red cabbage juice (like vinegar is a sour fluid) it would have turned green
Yes, you definitely should have reduced them down to a more concentrated mixture. You probably want a viscosity close to, well, wood stain.
You should definitely boil some of those down more (like the avocado and onion, since those were made with added water). They looked too light and watery.
I was wondering the same thing. If he left it more concentrated, would it give more of the color?
I wonder if any food based stains would be soluble in food safe mineral oil. Would be nice to make cheese boards or bread boards.
Did you consider adding a drop of detergent to your stains? I noticed the samples did not soak it not the wood.
Raining out there pretty hard. Cold and snowy here in the mid west. I am jealous you can hang out in the garage with your T shirt on, my garage is freezing!
Mine too! Our channel's based in Wisconsin. I feel your pain😥
DAnDy's Secret Woodshop Go Badgers! Where are you guys located in WI?
In the central area. As of right now we'd like to keep the exact location of our shop in an undisclosed location for right now due to some complications with my dad's place of work. Sorry I can't say exactly where.
It's well known that cold snowy weather guards against wild fires and earthquakes.
DAnDy's Secret Woodshop no worries. I’m from the Chippewa Falls area.
Can you make a basic video on varnish?
Couldn't stop laughing watching the advertisement skit!
Surprised you haven't tried raspberries.
3-4 coats and you have a solid red bit of wood.
Steve, I know (think) you built a cart that I can put put my chop saw in and be able to move it around. I've seen a pic on your site that kind of looks like it, but I can't find it. Appreciate any help.
Maybe this one: ua-cam.com/video/SKSJctIdbcA/v-deo.html
Baking soda and water produces wonderful results on pine. It artificially ages the wood.
Cool!
Steve, try sanding the pine first. Roughing up the wood should allow more of the water stain to enter the pores.
Pardon my sense of humour. I think you will have a lot of vegetarians salivating over these tests LOL.
You could try boiling them for longer to consentrat the nd then thin them with French Polish spirit, this should help them soke in better. I use bio Ethonol and acitone work provided it is not oil baced
Cool vid
COULD A STAIN BE SEALED WITH BSO ONCE IT IS DRY ? IM TRYING TO ACHIEVE DARK INDIGO CEDAR FENCE COLOR ?! AN ADVISE IS APPRECIATED ?!
Being surprised how water looks after boiling red cabbage or onion skins makes me wonder if you ever decorated easter eggs. Also red cabbage juice and tee are popular 'kids experiments' made with 5 year olds. by adding soap or lemon juice you can change their colours. so i can't imagine how this can be surprising to an adult.
Let the pieces soak!
"Subtle" is your favorite? What have you done to our Steve?
The mattresses seemed rather small relative to the people. Perhaps a more opengrain wood would be more dramatic. What about black walnut.? Southern Yellow Pine always seems a bit reluctant to accept dye or stain. I'm on the East Coast. Which pine are you using.?
I think that you should have boiled them to reduce and concentrate the dies.
Looks like California is getting rain... hopefully fire season comes to an end soon.