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KTM 300XC TBI vs KTM 300XC-W TPI | First Failure on the 2023 KTM 300XC| Highland Cycles
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2022
- We had our first failure on the 2023 KTM 300XC while testing it against a heavily modified 300XC-W TPI. Stay tuned for so much more content!
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Well done dude. You're telling us exactly what we want to know about the new XC's. Should do wonders for your channel. I tried to talk to MXG about his reviews on them but he wasn't a fan of feedback . So kudos to you for doing it properly.
Thanks a lot! Trying to do my best.
I actually watched the clip on the jd jetting tmx jet block repair. Forget about tuning the tmx comes with multiple defects from the moment it was made. From a business point of view KTM skimped on the carburetor due to the expense of developing EFI. Prior to TPI The TE and Xc-W should have had smart carbs or lectrons from the factory. Development goes in 2 directions. 1st you have to cater to the no talent ass clown that cannot learn how to tune (buy it and ride it) 2nd you have the serious racer that starts with a production bike and sets up a bike around their style. 1 friend calls it, "getting 1 bike for the price of 2!"
It also depends on which colour power valve spring the bikes have. And where they are adjusted at.
My 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI never ran proprtly from day 1. No one could figure out the issue.
It seized at 7.2 hours. All 100% stock and no racing. KTM replaced the piston, cylinder & crankshaft.
I got the bike back with 7.4 hours.
Still showing 7.4 hours it seized a 2nd time.
KTM put a new crate motor & new oil injection pump in it. Per KTM's instructions the dealer put 50:1 premix in the fuel tank & they put 0.9 hours on it.
I got it back and ran so much better immediately and still does.
After some hours on it I put a Slavens S3 head on it, a Coober ECU & turned the air bypass screw from 3.5 turns out until it ran best at 2.0 turns out.
It is now amazing at all rpm's, throttle positions and goes instantly like a scalded cat and also pulls like a tractor at super low, maybe below idle speed.
I am now trying the red and stock yellow PV springs and adjusting them. The red reduces the hit and alllows the bike to lofts the front end (no clucth use) so much easier for slower obstacle crossings like over a small hole, tree branch on the trail, over rock,... or just having fun, as is easier to control for a low level rider like me. But the yellow spring is a hoot and laugh when I yank open the throttle and I better be hanging on. LOL
Do you still run 50:1 in the gas tank? or was that just for the first hour? Thanks
My 2023 300 XC-W is flat out amazeballs, I still need to switch to mousses but I can't imagine anything better for how and where I ride. Crazy to think that it can get better, interested to see what they do with the XC-W's next year if anything at all. I do still prefer the PDS in the technical stuff but linkage doesn't hold you back at all with a proper skid plate with linkage guard. Thanks for the comparison video, excited to see where it goes from here.
Enjoying In-n-out burger to the sweet sounds of a 2 stroke 🤘
So good
Oh the glory of having an extra set of wheels! I always keep an extra set on me forget changing a tube in the bush
Love all of your content man. I’m first in line to pick up a 2023 300xc from my local dealer that is supposed to be here sometime this month. Watching your videos is making me very anxious for it to arrive lol can’t wait! Cheers from Des Moines.
Right on!
Nice brother! I'm still sporting my '17 300xc, but it's still my dream bike. Nearly paid for it twice with all the upgrades. That's a nice bike you have!
Good suspension on that 17 and it's just as good as the newer ones
The 2017 is probably one of the best 300’s made and totally reliable.
Thanks for the demonstration.
He'll yah can't wait to see it in person! See you in Espanola
I was thinking how impressive the throttle response was on it and then you did the uphill pull. Crazy good!
So good
I get so jealous watching your videos. In from ND and we have to drive to Minnesota to do any trail riding and they’re not anywhere near the trails you guys have. Hoping to move to Utah in the next 4-5 years so hopefully it won’t be a forever struggle haha. In regards to TPI, I have a 2022 te300i and I only got back into riding about a year ago and I think it has perfect power and throttle response for my skill level. I thankfully haven’t had any of the common issues with it and it runs great for me most of the time. And by the time I get a new one down the line, I’m sure TPI will be long in the rear view mirror.
Man i must be lucky, ive never had a flat. I run 12-14psi but we used to drop the rear as low as eight in the Hawaii mud
Now you have come out of the closet about TBI you love it awesome review Morgan 👍👍
Ahahaha totally
Nice video. Love the back to back comparison. Where are you riding? Near Montrose? Looks like a popular place and really fun
I'd like to see how the xc does in hard enduro riding.
Low traction tight woods, slick wet roots/rocks, slick muddy hills, Tennessee knock out level.
I will be racing it in some hard enduros this year. So stay tuned
YOu're right, his back tire is just planted, super cool.
Well done Morgan! Great look for us dreamers thinking about getting a new bike. Can't wait to see you race that TBI!!! That will be the ultimate review I want to see... Braaap.
Rich Kolberg
This weekend
Riding with stock tubes is like asking, no, begging for a flat, I'm curious as to why you would choose 40 to 1 when the highly educated and experienced factory engineers recommend 60 to 1 and have exact and precise reasons for that ratio why deviate from it, I've ran the recommended 50 to 1 in my 300 for many years and am amazed at how well my engine has held up to whatever abuse I subject it to, I'm not saying your wrong, I would just like to know your reasoning for that besides the more oil is more protection theory as modern oil and internal engine surface technology has come a long way.
Great question. First, I think your bike calls for 60:1 one also. At least every 300 I have owned calls for that. But anyway, There is a lot of science showing that more oil equals more power and better lube up to a point. I have run 40:1 in everything I own (chainsaws included) and never had a failure because of oil in gas. They all spooge a little but I don't care about that at all. As far as the people at KTM, I don't completely believe that they have my pocket book in their best interest. Maybe a conspiracy? Too much oil in the gas (again up to a point) never hurt anything and if anything lubes better which would make stuff last longer. And finally I have a FLEET of bikes that run 2 stroke gas. All call for different ratios. Some more oil than 40:1 and some less and I will be damned if I am going to keep 4 or 6 different cans of gas around and try to keep them straight. 40:1 in all of them and they all run well.
I run 50:1, with 100 Oct leaded av gas and have zero spooge. Piston after 140 hrs of trail riding and B class hare scrambles looked great.
@@dirtrider2234 does the 100ll dry the seals out though?
@@ruraldelinquent2221 over 200hrs on my 19 300xc, 65 hrs on my 22 250sx, 80 hrs on 17 50sx mini, and 40hrs on 18 50sx and haven’t had any issues
@@dirtrider2234 awesome! Was curious because I wanted to run it in my kids kx112.
4:30 Needs to be cleaned out ?
the crankcase and transfer ports are cold and wont let the fuel vaporise so you get chatter.
You mentioned your buddies bike had wicked bottom & has an RK Tek Head.
Well RK Tek makes different heads. It’s entirely possible he had RK head built for a guy who rides 1st-3rd single track some which would be built for bottom.
Same with if you rode MX and you wanted a high compression head built for mid-top end.
Maybe it pulls more low end and doesn’t rev out like yours because
I am sure it has to do with the head and lots of other factors like tuning and style bike. I am looking forward to getting an RK Tek head and playing with it.
So excited for these new bikes
I want to see the 300 XC vs XCW both in same year 2023. Poor poor Daisy she is weeping.
She is sad
I am looking at the 250xc or 300xc, I am coming from a 2009 yz250 that I dropped a tooth on the front sprocket, a flywheel weight. zero body end, I can't wait to feel an engine designed for XC.
You will love it.
To be expected I was surprised the first thing u did wasn't taking the tubes out I hate running them in any of my off road vehicles
Me too. Was trying to keep things stock as long as I could. That's what I get
@@highlandcycles with a ktm that is , are the spokes loose yet ? Likely those dodgy wheel sets be the cause or a light weight haha tube. Great for content those bikes hey.
Hey man, what is that cap called or where can i get one on the silencer ? Looks sweet
Enduro engineering makes it
RKTEK for the win!!!! 🤘🤘🤘
YEP
💯 I have an rktek insert on my 22 and it makes a world of difference.
Loving the review so far! I havent even seen one of these and I work at a KTM dealer. I noticed you were back in the SG-12 boots. What was your final thoughts on the Leatt boots?
No good. They wore out too fast
Wheel swap ftw!
So first failure was a flat front tire at 12.5 psi!?! You're killing me!!! LOL!!!
Hahaha yep. Gotta get the clicks! 🤣😂
Blaming a pinch flat on a tube while riding through rocks with such low pressure seems a little absurd.
How are you liking the moose balls vs a traditional mousse?
I like them better
After years of running nitromousse I don't think I could ever go back to tubes, I don't think about or worry when hitting rocks anymore, I just pick whichever line Looks the best and if it involves going over a sharp Rock I just don't worry about it.
Yep
Same here
Agreed the piece of mind is great. I'm over nittromouse though, have had several "same" sized mousses come in significantly different sizes, quality control doesn't seem to be there and they wear out ridiculously quick compared to the michelin (my friends bike) same hours on mousse. His is still round and fills the new tire better. Will switch to them next go around unless I hear of a better option.
@@stufrowin should try a set of pirelli if you can afford them. Best mousses I have ever used. Just spendy
I hate the feel of rear mousse I run mousse on front and tubeless rear
I miss the days when you could turn a metering rod or swap a jet to accommodate a high compression head vs. having to spend $500 on a power commander.
how do you like the new gearing in the 23 with 1st and 2nd gear compared to 22' higher 1st and 2nd gear
Love it
Morgan so glad that there is not buyers remorse at this time, that has to be one of the worst feelings a DBer can experience when spending 12K. How was the fuel efficiency after your ride?
Zero remorse so far. Not good. 25mpg
Hope you can take it to the track and test if its good on the track as well.
I will be in November
Get that squish and 40:2.1 all day more oil bigger jets more power for the guys who still run a carb.
I am thinking that TBI stock bike has better suspension for that kind of riding on the woops
For sure
Flat tyre is kinda click bait, I was expecting something important to fail we have all heard horror TPI stories I thought the TBI stories had just started. I really like how it just pulls up that hill at just above idle and it sounds like KTM got the suspenion dialed for fast trails in 2023.
I know. It was more of a joke than anything but I think the video is still good.
Why is your start button on the left side instead of right?
I moved it. I like it better there
but its a XCW... no comparison... xcw transmission is too tight with the head n commander causing wheels spin ... my 2021 300xcw get tbi n ecu just creates too much power which is great but prefer the linear, controllability of a tpi
It’s all I have right now. It’s not apples to apples for sure but my guess is that a w with TBI would be so much better than TPI. It just fuels and oils better b
How bad is the front air fork "deflection" now? My 2020 300xc xact fork deflection was dangerous. I had to upgrade to Ohlins RXF48
Much better
@@highlandcycles It would be great if you can give more detail on the 2023 300xc xact airfork. See my Airfork vs. OHLINS for ideas on subject matter / a la issues ua-cam.com/video/MjY8VPhXcTw/v-deo.html
Doing a spring conversion is expensive in Canada around $1500, and the money is lost on resale. At least the Ohlins can move bike to bike. My buddy wants a bike 5o ride with me, and I can't decide on a 2020-23 300xcw or 2023 300xc TBI. The fork is the big worry with XC.
@@IrnieracingNews ua-cam.com/video/7I7u992zSh0/v-deo.html
Are you running the recommended 60:1? I'm use to running 32:1 on my older 2 strokes. What are your thoughts on this?
I am running 40:1. Stay tuned for a video about that
@@highlandcycles I look forward to that
Just curious if you are going to keep the same sprocket size. I've been thinking about running a 50 on my 22 300xc after Kelsey's head.
I installed a 50 for now
So next year they should have a w with tbi and electric power valve?
Hopefully
Oh ya embrace the goodness that is tublisss!!! 🤣🤣❤️❤️🤘🤘
🤣😂😂
Do you have a skid plate? I'd hate to risk those cases in the rocks.
Yes. It has a pretty good plastic one on it
Is John running race gas with that higher compression head?
No. Not at this altitude
@@highlandcycles Thank you.
How long do moose inserts generally last for the novice rider who does not race or do much hard Enduro? Is it worth the $300 or just run heavy duty tubes?
Honestly for a Novice I would recommend HD tubes, plenty of air in them and go have fun. Mousses wear out pretty fast to be honest. I get 3 rear tires and 2 fronts but that is because I go through tires really fast and take them off early.
@@highlandcycles OK cool. I'm mostly just putting around a motorcross track not very fast an riding wheelies. Loving your videos. Keep up the good work.
WYkitty, tubes are fine for a MX track. in fact i prefer them there
I get about 3 new tires per mousse
@@highlandcycles I just put slime in the tires and go. 0 flats
I'd say you're a full fledged convert! Looks amazing! Almost makes me want to trade my '17 Six Days... almost...
Give me a few months to beat on it. But if it holds up, this is a game changer!
dont do it! carburetor is easy to work on and fix, good luck with those tbi probably not as bad as the tpi but im sure we have some flaws coming
My question is how did you get that 23' with a green sticker?
No need here in Colorado
@@highlandcycles gotcha! I thought it was cali. I wanted a 300 but I'm going the 500 EXCF route so I can get by all of the cali BS. Awesome video.
@@joshuadicken5772 thanks. Yeah that sucks
what trail or riding area is this ?
Ditto, looks amazing, especially the rocky section.
Montrose Colorado area
The mikuni on my 19 250 Xc might be regarded as low quality, but it's never let me down....
JD jet kit... My bike runs perfect.
@@randyroberts4239 yeah same here, with the jd jet block gasket
I like the mikuni
Crazy how long the shrouds are 🤣
I know. Not sure about them yet
@@highlandcycles the bike is still sexy though
wondering the tube you run was it a uhd ? next to mousse I've never had a flat with UHD tube and usually run 5-7 lbs even in the rocks
No not was the junk stock one
Probably needs cleaning out with the 40:1 ratio right?
Maybe. Probably has more to do with the rich running while "cold" and letting it idle
@@highlandcycles yeah quite possibly! I was just about to purchase a 2020 KTM 250 tpi exc. I'm now torn as the TBI has come out.. I can't afford brand new but do I wait until a second hand TBI becomes available or man up and get myself a tpi! I'm currently rocking a 2002 KTM 200 exc 🦖
I’ll never understand why amateur level and trail riders feel the need to put more power in a modern big bore bike.
There is no NEED. just like there is no need for power in a muscle car. It’s just fun. Now more torque is a different thing. More torque can make a bike easier to ride for a lesser rider. I raced a 125 all last year at 46 years old and 185 lbs. I’m an “A” rider and I can tell you that bike took a ton more work to ride through the gnarly hard Enduros than a 300. The power of the 300 makes it easier. We live at 6k elevation so our bikes are all down on power from their sea level brothers and sisters so to try and gain that back seems pretty reasonable. Just my opinion.
The new bike seems super sweet! Love the enthusiasm for sure Morgan. I still like linear power of a TPI and I've put hundreds of hundreds of hours on all my TPI bikes with zero issues. Being able to get a super hit down low is not a turn on to me. Being able to lug and grunt with no wheel spin is where it's at. With my TPI's, I concentrate on my conditioning, bike set up and suspension. Those three items are key to successful beast rides.
Morgan, I've been riding with Tubliss for a while and like them especially for the lightness. Are they not any good for you? Just wondering.
Thanks again for another super awesome straight from the heart vid.
I don’t get along with Tubliss at all. Too many flats and too complicated compared to foam. The new bike is the best of all worlds. Linear power in easy mode and crazy power in the go map!
It Just sounded like it wasnt quite warmed up yet more so than you actually had to clear it out
Maybe. The radiator was pretty warm. I think they dump a bunch of gas when "cold" so it might have been loaded up. Not sure.
@@highlandcycles yeah that’s what it seems like to me. Looks like the technical map works pretty well in the rocks. All upside from here I think 🤔 you already look comfortable on it
@@jamesoso259 it feels vey familiar already
No bibs? Ever since I've made the switch, any time I ride tubes I flat out
They are in there now
@@highlandcycles I rode the 450 I borrowed once, and the new tx once, both before bibs and flatted both times. I think pressurized air and I just can't coexist
@@ianh3007 I agree. I can't believe I rode it twice before it flatted
How are you liking the at81?
It’s ok. I like the rear fine. I hate the front but the 33 is good
Be humble,that KTM gives you such bikes
They don't seem to start as easy, but that's just a small detail
It starts pretty freaking fast. Especially after its warm.
Most people don’t realize they need to adjust idle during or after break in.
Even the 2021 XC feels faster than the 2021 XCW. The mapping is a lot more aggressive on the XC. I’d like to see a comparison against a 2021/2022 300XC.
I am working on that. I have a customer with one that has a 22 XC with head and Coober ECU
The 2021 XC and XCW share the same mapping, ignition timing, piston, and head. The only difference in the motor between the two is first and second gear.
need a Daisy V's TBI ride off🤣
That’s coming
Such a great bike wow 👌 I can see how it makes the tpi look like a dud
It does!
Dammit I was going to make fun of you for buying a KTM. But alas you broke my heart.
Where is this???
Montrose Colorado
I can’t afford those Ktm’s. Yamaha has a single track style bike I hear. What one is it? I’m thinking of buying a used single track bike. Two stroke. Is it called a yz250w Or something like that?
Yz250x
The YZ250X is an amazing Machine
Xc vs the xc-w ? I don’t care what year I’ll take XC every time
Nah, no linkage FTW.
I know, the xplor and pds are so bad.
Y what's the difference are you trying to make someone mad
You got my 1click bait click
🤘
Where’s the trail nerd hat from??
Friend of mine. Check them out on FB
@@highlandcycles ok. What site or name?
@@stewartsnow4049 oh sorry. Trail Nerds facebook.com/profile.php?id=100086464746156
you said the F word while riding... you jinxed yourself :) did you get the fuel mileage difference between the two?
Hahahaha. I didn’t get mileage from John but mine was 25MPG. I know his is better. Not sure how much b
@@highlandcycles I was thinking they would get better than that... Guess if one was to ride like grandma it'd get better. but who wants to do that
ua-cam.com/video/3cWBblEqFmQ/v-deo.html maybe because you put a ton of oil in the gas :D
Hahaha. I like extra and it runs perfectly once warm
Beta plastics are nasty 👍
It needs to be cleaned out because you dumped too much oil in it lol
It does it with 60:1 too. I think they finally got the fueling right so it’s rich at first
This guy is a total goon....
🤣😂🤣 yep
it made in China.... China.. were you expecting a different result?
I have to tell you I'm not impressed with your bait and switch to get clicks when you're telling people you have a failure with a new bike.. thumbs down for me brother
Oh come on. The real point of the video was the test between the two bikes. I think the video was still very informative and well done. It was more of a joke than anything.
I mean your "wet" ride video wasn't even wet really. I have seen some actual wet stuff. Take it easy man.
Oh the glory of having an extra set of wheels! I always keep an extra set on me forget changing a tube in the bush
Oh the glory of having an extra set of wheels! I always keep an extra set on me forget changing a tube in the bush
The best!