In the recent update, TF2 got a new 64 bit engine. It brings FPS and stability improvements. But does it fix old exploits? Let's check it out! P.s. Old vs New Engine *FPS Comparison* - ua-cam.com/video/R_ml0BS0H9s/v-deo.html
@@vercus6271for most applications it's as simple as checking a flag in your compiler. it's a bit more involved for TF2 since performance bottleneck functions like drawing and actor logic might require more fine tuning to get an optimal compiler output
What is also new is Vulkan support. So you can try putting -vulkan in your launch parameters to see if it by any chance makes the game run better for you.
Vulkan improves performance particularly on AMD cards, as the api is optimized for certain functions on AMD drivers, compared to nividia which OpenGL is best on.
@@totallynothyper964 he was already told that he was misinformed about this when he posted the previous video, so I have to imagine he knowingly made the mistake again for clicks
Not surprised at all. This is not a "new" engine, it's the same old engine recompiled for 64 bit. In practical terms, this means it can use more memory and certain values can be bigger, but because it very rarely hit the memory limit to begin with, it makes little practical difference. There's some compiler improvements that may increase the efficiency of the generated machine code, and there's some memory overflow errors that may be fixed by having larger registers, but that's about it. People kept overhyping this as some major update. It's really not. It's barely a quality-of-life improvement. In fact, given that Valve decided to recompile TF2 for 64 bit, they are almost certainly not interested in porting it to Source 2. After all, Source 2 is already 64 bit, so all this work would be pointless if they were going to port TF2 over to the Source 2 engine. The 64-bit update is the strongest evidence we have that Valve will never port Team Fortress 2 over to a new engine.
I would say it did more than “barely anything”. 32 player servers are actually playable now without serious frame drops and even 24 could have that happen and now it doesn’t.
@@brimp4989 If your PC was so old it struggled on 32 player servers, sure. Mine never did, have my FPS locked to 120 to match my monitor, and literally nothing changed at all. Heck, I've also heard from people that got lower FPS from this update. Pretty sure a lot of this is also placebo effect. You tell people "now the game runs much better!", they'll be utterly convinced it does. Shounic did some tests earlier on the beta, maybe he'll do a final comparison on the released version and we'll actually know.
@@drtauntsalot I run an ryzen 7 5700x and rx 6800 the game just wasn't well optimized. This update gave me consistent 300 FPS idle and while in fights it would drop down maybe to 200 at most depending on how many explosions and other stuff was going on. Before the update it would go from 200 down to 60 in a fight causing a serious spike.
False. Objectors exploit can't happen now as the game isn't limited to 32bit 4gb ram. I used to crash often playing 32 servers on max settings now it doesn't happen, gained a lot of fps with it as well. Great update for TF2 future. Some people are never thankful.
I think it would be much better to share that this new 64bit port got a Vulkan support. So everyone with somewhat up to date GPU drivers can use -vulkan in their launch options to try if the game will run better for them. Chance is hight that the game will get more responsive.
@@golubochI wouldn't be confident in "most of the time" since a lot of DX9 games choke pretty hard. DXVK helps pretty inconsistently based on hardware and the individual game. About the only game I haven't gotten even a minor benefit from is Fallout New Vegas, but my performance with all those new performance enhancing mods for the game was already fantastic (consistent 150+FPS)
What's the point of this video? This update is all about improving perfomance. It is not a new engine. It is just "updated" version of the old one. It does not affect broken spots on maps or properties of weapons. Video made for the sake of making a video
You still have to check because some exploits work because of 32bit limitations, some exploits that crash the game work by hitting the 32bit 4gb of RAM limit
Isnt the point of the video to raise awareness of the previously patched exploits coming back? Like a heads up to valve and the community? Or is it something else? Am i stupid?
6:00 im pretty sure this isnt an exploit as ubercharge rate only decreaess if the healed patient has 50% more HP, which is also why quickfix's ubercharge rate is really fast too
The engine has not changed and is not new. What changed is that some Valve employee simply selected it to compile for amd64 or, if you want, ia64 . What would make a significant change to the engine would be another interpolation system and the construction of legacy x64 binaries, and fixing old bugs, old rendering methods that don't work very well on more current computers. and it would also be cool if it included full Vulkan support (I know Valve is already doing this) but as a software developer
To be honest, the ones involving specific maps aren't surprising that they are still around because the only way to fix those, is to fix the maps directly. And there are so many map that doing such is very hard. Not necessarily impossible, just very hard. Additionally, is that the upgrade merely increases limits on the engine. Therefore making it less likely to crash under circumstances that it often crashed from prior.
So they fixed maybe 3 of them. I left a bit ago because I stopped playing this game and was really only watching to see how much it would fall apart, and how low standards were for the playerbase. I was not expecting anything from Valve when I returned. So this isn’t surprising. In fact, it seems like they’ve only made the engine buggier than before seeing how some of these are actually broken again when they were fixed on the 32-bit version. Why they keep enlisting community members to fix this game when they likely have ulterior motives is beyond me, but I’m glad to see you’re still at it. It takes a strong man to deny what’s right in front of him, knowing that the game he plays is decaying right in front of him the more he plays. But if you’re still playing TF2, it’s pretty clear that you love the chaos. And so do I. If only there was some game that was like this, but all of these “exploits” were features, instead of a banned offense. Because I don’t think that having basic height advantages or fun tricks is something that anyone should be banned for. If that were the case, then I’d be banned for sniping people in a high position in every game with long range guns. Or banned from almost any game of soccer for not just bum rushing the ball like a little league player. TF2 and little league actually have way too much in common, I might be on to something there. Anyway, the cool stuff you’re doing here is just awesome and in almost every other game, would be encouraged and embraced by the players and developers. It’s a performative art to pull all kinds of silly bugs like this on unsuspecting players and amaze them by how silly it is. You’re kind of a magician in a way. But you could be so much more. If only this game had a pulse.
@@mile9314 where did you read that the point of this update was about bug fixes? they did fix one critical bug though, the one they listed in the patch notes for the update. not sure why you'd expect bugfixes apart from that
Tacobot : *Start votekick for using THEIR prefered META instead having fun with unintended exploit* It's still an exploit so expect to be kicked (or banned in any MvM community with actual admin that have common sense) for exploiting the game and break the balance although the balance is already ruined unless there is rebalance server.
...confusing title aside(they 'just' flipped switch from 32 to 64bits), it's nice to have video compilation of all known unfixed bugs so far, ready to be send to valve or whoever keeps tf2 alive nowadays
Considering the game's code quality it definitely took a lot of effort, and the performance increase is pretty welcome too. I really should measure my performance, I think I've ended up like ~35-40% faster performance which is really fucking welcome compared to the old build
@@OmegaRC59 yea, haven't measured myself, but just the teammates' outlines not causing huge fps drop is a nice change for sure Bit offtopic i guess, the missing audio st-t-t-t-t-tutter when game hangs during e.g. model loading is kinda spooky, you now don't know if your game's just hanging or gonna crash any second
Considering the fact this port was delayed so much PARTLY cause of compatibility issues (in reality cause Valve doesn't want to dedicate resources to TF2), the 64bit port is simply a port of very base software architecture, nothing has been changed above it - we can debate that all the janitor had to do was to simply click on "compile code" on their Source engine compiler software. Rather push Valve to finally open the source code of the Source engine (I mean the better part of the game assets of Source games was leaked), I'm sure we'll find enough people to start cleaning the mess that is TF2 code - perhaps so that it stops killing people's GPU's, mine died cause of TF2 and I can prove it - now I'm on a 8500 GT. And Nvidia on Linux is not nice, if it was ever nice in general.
of course they will still work 99% of these exploits are programmer mistakes that are in logic if some bug gets fixed it is programmer fixed it manually most of changes probably were low level stuff that is not related to gameplay only thing that can be really changed is like that one glitch when on windows server you get 1 more metal because c++ compilers on linux and windows used different multiplication instruction
It’s not really a "new engine". The physics engine is still Source, the rendering engine could be swapped to Vulkan, but the physics remain the same as before.
Yeah no, 64 bit doesn't mean that it is a new engine. I don't even know how a simple port like this can fix exploits..... It's not source 2 bro.... You're just asking for an ad revenue from this pointless videos 💀
Those people were always stupid. Everyone technically minded knew this would just reduce memory overhead and possibly improve overall performance (which I definitely get like 35 to 45% better framerates than before, it's quite nice) So yeah it wasn't gonna fix any logic mistakes like what's in this video
In the recent update, TF2 got a new 64 bit engine. It brings FPS and stability improvements. But does it fix old exploits? Let's check it out!
P.s. Old vs New Engine *FPS Comparison* - ua-cam.com/video/R_ml0BS0H9s/v-deo.html
guess what.
chicken butt!
it's literally not a new engine, you're spreading misinformation
how did you expect them to fix map specific problems with a bit change update☠
😰 what have you done!, now everyone will do these exploits and f***ed the games up.
*WHAT ABOUT T-POSE?*
Well atleast the super airblast doesn't eat your FPS
At least that isn't it? xD
Buffed.
"new engine" is an overstatement. some guy converted the old game to 64 bit and thats about it.
Still ain't no easy thing tho...
@@vercus6271for most applications it's as simple as checking a flag in your compiler. it's a bit more involved for TF2 since performance bottleneck functions like drawing and actor logic might require more fine tuning to get an optimal compiler output
suddenly everybody is an armchair expert on gaming engine and architecture
@@hydrogenpoint yeah surely no ones worked on games or low-level programming before lol
if it was as easy as "some guy just checked a box" then i'm sure it would've been done long ago
Ye? Cuz it is just a port to 64bit and not really a new engine????
What is also new is Vulkan support. So you can try putting -vulkan in your launch parameters to see if it by any chance makes the game run better for you.
@@icedrato vulkan doesn't always give an increase in performance
@@saintskillerdntfkwth In fact it's laggy at first because it needs to compile the shaders. They get cached for later use so not really a big deal
Vulkan improves performance particularly on AMD cards, as the api is optimized for certain functions on AMD drivers, compared to nividia which OpenGL is best on.
@@saintskillerdntfkwth VS 20 years old D3D9? We are talking about TF2 here. Not how the API performs overall... Ran tests so i know mine
After 9 years of development, this new engine is worth the wait. Have fun!
it's not a new engine, delfys just lying lol
@@guy_th18 more like he's misinformed about the subject, thinking that a 64-bit port is a new engine
@@totallynothyper964 he was already told that he was misinformed about this when he posted the previous video, so I have to imagine he knowingly made the mistake again for clicks
I TOTALLY forgot about slow conga cuz everyone got bored and stopped!!! time to bring it back
Not surprised at all. This is not a "new" engine, it's the same old engine recompiled for 64 bit. In practical terms, this means it can use more memory and certain values can be bigger, but because it very rarely hit the memory limit to begin with, it makes little practical difference. There's some compiler improvements that may increase the efficiency of the generated machine code, and there's some memory overflow errors that may be fixed by having larger registers, but that's about it.
People kept overhyping this as some major update. It's really not. It's barely a quality-of-life improvement. In fact, given that Valve decided to recompile TF2 for 64 bit, they are almost certainly not interested in porting it to Source 2. After all, Source 2 is already 64 bit, so all this work would be pointless if they were going to port TF2 over to the Source 2 engine. The 64-bit update is the strongest evidence we have that Valve will never port Team Fortress 2 over to a new engine.
I would say it did more than “barely anything”. 32 player servers are actually playable now without serious frame drops and even 24 could have that happen and now it doesn’t.
@@brimp4989 If your PC was so old it struggled on 32 player servers, sure. Mine never did, have my FPS locked to 120 to match my monitor, and literally nothing changed at all. Heck, I've also heard from people that got lower FPS from this update.
Pretty sure a lot of this is also placebo effect. You tell people "now the game runs much better!", they'll be utterly convinced it does. Shounic did some tests earlier on the beta, maybe he'll do a final comparison on the released version and we'll actually know.
@@drtauntsalot I run an ryzen 7 5700x and rx 6800 the game just wasn't well optimized. This update gave me consistent 300 FPS idle and while in fights it would drop down maybe to 200 at most depending on how many explosions and other stuff was going on. Before the update it would go from 200 down to 60 in a fight causing a serious spike.
In my view, source 1 is better than source 2. Wish they never port TF2.
False. Objectors exploit can't happen now as the game isn't limited to 32bit 4gb ram. I used to crash often playing 32 servers on max settings now it doesn't happen, gained a lot of fps with it as well. Great update for TF2 future. Some people are never thankful.
I think it would be much better to share that this new 64bit port got a Vulkan support. So everyone with somewhat up to date GPU drivers can use -vulkan in their launch options to try if the game will run better for them. Chance is hight that the game will get more responsive.
Wait it doesn’t? I heard that they were also adding that
@@Lax_Oficial Vulkan support is here with this new update. You can use it now with the command i mentioned above.
>better performance
It's a translation layer, not native vulkan, so most of the time it may be better to use dx9.
@@golubochI wouldn't be confident in "most of the time" since a lot of DX9 games choke pretty hard. DXVK helps pretty inconsistently based on hardware and the individual game.
About the only game I haven't gotten even a minor benefit from is Fallout New Vegas, but my performance with all those new performance enhancing mods for the game was already fantastic (consistent 150+FPS)
@@goluboch Did my tests. Game is way more responsive. But yeah whatever you say.
I mean... yeah? I don’t think increasing how much memory the game can handle will fix most of these exploits. :B
What's the point of this video? This update is all about improving perfomance. It is not a new engine. It is just "updated" version of the old one. It does not affect broken spots on maps or properties of weapons. Video made for the sake of making a video
Comment is made for the sake of being salty
@@15braincellsremaining fanboy spotted
You still have to check because some exploits work because of 32bit limitations, some exploits that crash the game work by hitting the 32bit 4gb of RAM limit
Isnt the point of the video to raise awareness of the previously patched exploits coming back?
Like a heads up to valve and the community?
Or is it something else? Am i stupid?
The point of the video is to check if the exploits have been patched. Unsurprisingly, nothing has been fixed.
I thought the Double Metal thing is a game feature, turns out I've been using an exploit the whole god damn time.
3:35 I didnt know this was an exploit, I always tought it was a mechanic
What's the point of this video? They updated the game with 64 bit not fixing exploits.
....the fact that these are exploits that were patched out previously and now are back in the game ?
Money from UA-cam?
@@_.Azrail._ but were they?
One part of it is views and the other part of it is testing the TF2 spaghetti monster to see whether or not recompiling it broke anything.
@@_.Azrail._ They were still working before.
Regardless of it not being a new engine. This is a nice video to compile know bugs that are still in effect
Ofc it doesnt fix old exploits,it was an upgrade to use more of the available resources for more performance
6:00 im pretty sure this isnt an exploit as ubercharge rate only decreaess if the healed patient has 50% more HP, which is also why quickfix's ubercharge rate is really fast too
I played nucleus and then the engi proceeded to build a nest on the ceiling
I just knew you would try them
Type "quit smoking" in the console when playing spy for a secret taunt!
5:12 omg I love that :D I can play on my iPad as engineer now :)
1:25 Wait, wasn't there a similar exploit a couple of years ago ?
I thought they fixed it already...
So far loving this update.
The spectate bug really needs to stay tho.
Oh boi this next few days will be something allright.
it is not new engine guys, so all things must work like in 32bit, this is normal
I bet they managed to bring back old classic exploits with this update
The engine has not changed and is not new.
What changed is that some Valve employee simply selected it to compile for amd64 or, if you want, ia64 .
What would make a significant change to the engine would be another interpolation system and the construction of legacy x64 binaries, and fixing old bugs, old rendering methods that don't work very well on more current computers.
and it would also be cool if it included full Vulkan support (I know Valve is already doing this) but as a software developer
Thanks for the spy detector exploit one. I'll be abusing it in TF2, today/tomorrow~
What I’m more suprised is the Mann vs machine invisible exploit still works
To be honest, the ones involving specific maps aren't surprising that they are still around because the only way to fix those, is to fix the maps directly. And there are so many map that doing such is very hard. Not necessarily impossible, just very hard. Additionally, is that the upgrade merely increases limits on the engine. Therefore making it less likely to crash under circumstances that it often crashed from prior.
So they fixed maybe 3 of them. I left a bit ago because I stopped playing this game and was really only watching to see how much it would fall apart, and how low standards were for the playerbase. I was not expecting anything from Valve when I returned. So this isn’t surprising.
In fact, it seems like they’ve only made the engine buggier than before seeing how some of these are actually broken again when they were fixed on the 32-bit version.
Why they keep enlisting community members to fix this game when they likely have ulterior motives is beyond me, but I’m glad to see you’re still at it. It takes a strong man to deny what’s right in front of him, knowing that the game he plays is decaying right in front of him the more he plays.
But if you’re still playing TF2, it’s pretty clear that you love the chaos. And so do I. If only there was some game that was like this, but all of these “exploits” were features, instead of a banned offense. Because I don’t think that having basic height advantages or fun tricks is something that anyone should be banned for. If that were the case, then I’d be banned for sniping people in a high position in every game with long range guns. Or banned from almost any game of soccer for not just bum rushing the ball like a little league player. TF2 and little league actually have way too much in common, I might be on to something there.
Anyway, the cool stuff you’re doing here is just awesome and in almost every other game, would be encouraged and embraced by the players and developers. It’s a performative art to pull all kinds of silly bugs like this on unsuspecting players and amaze them by how silly it is.
You’re kind of a magician in a way. But you could be so much more. If only this game had a pulse.
Interestingly, a classic bug of flame-tight doors has been corrected.
Pyro can no longer burn BLU team while they are on standby.
oh boi
looks like valve has to do it all over again
what
what does this mean
@@guy_th18 It means bug fixes and optimizations.
@@mile9314 where did you read that the point of this update was about bug fixes?
they did fix one critical bug though, the one they listed in the patch notes for the update. not sure why you'd expect bugfixes apart from that
@@guy_th18 dude chill, why you so mad?
@@guy_th18 And why not?
Its back 🗣️🔥💯💥
Looks like everything still works as intended and we didn't get any bugs from the new engine.
Something I noticed about the update is that the classes will sometimes have pink eyes for some reason.
Theyve been working on tf64bit for a while not suprised old exploits got through even if they were previously patched
Just when you thought they had fixed it, they'll need to patch a lot of bugsfor these exploits on the upcpming Summer Event...
Do they really though? Hoe many of these do you actually see in game. Other than the out of bounds exploits they’re mostly fine.
I started playing TF2 just 9 days before this update
To be honest and sincere. The TF2 game was made for fun, not cheating. Cheating takes away the fun of playing. Collaboration, right people?
It was not exactly meant to fix anything, but I do hope some of these exploits get fixed.
Bots and hackers are significantly more important, however.
Valve Watching This :🗿🗿
NICE cant wait to use minicrit exploit in mvm
Tacobot : *Start votekick for using THEIR prefered META instead having fun with unintended exploit*
It's still an exploit so expect to be kicked (or banned in any MvM community with actual admin that have common sense) for exploiting the game and break the balance although the balance is already ruined unless there is rebalance server.
@@michaeljo9384 nah never got kicked but also was not worth that using if the engineer doesnt want this exploit is useless lmao
Didn't you say that tf2 kept crashing because of the objector incident?
isnt double metal when sitting on dispenser is feature?
...confusing title aside(they 'just' flipped switch from 32 to 64bits), it's nice to have video compilation of all known unfixed bugs so far, ready to be send to valve or whoever keeps tf2 alive nowadays
Considering the game's code quality it definitely took a lot of effort, and the performance increase is pretty welcome too. I really should measure my performance, I think I've ended up like ~35-40% faster performance which is really fucking welcome compared to the old build
@@OmegaRC59 yea, haven't measured myself, but just the teammates' outlines not causing huge fps drop is a nice change for sure
Bit offtopic i guess, the missing audio st-t-t-t-t-tutter when game hangs during e.g. model loading is kinda spooky, you now don't know if your game's just hanging or gonna crash any second
Valve have been cooking with the N64
Dustbowl fix
Кардинал Ришелье Unfixed
Can't wait to see how people absolutely break the game
KritCleaver still works
This this is Great Keep it Up 👍
64 Bit. 'New Engine'. Daamn we're soo deprived
Considering the fact this port was delayed so much PARTLY cause of compatibility issues (in reality cause Valve doesn't want to dedicate resources to TF2), the 64bit port is simply a port of very base software architecture, nothing has been changed above it - we can debate that all the janitor had to do was to simply click on "compile code" on their Source engine compiler software. Rather push Valve to finally open the source code of the Source engine (I mean the better part of the game assets of Source games was leaked), I'm sure we'll find enough people to start cleaning the mess that is TF2 code - perhaps so that it stops killing people's GPU's, mine died cause of TF2 and I can prove it - now I'm on a 8500 GT. And Nvidia on Linux is not nice, if it was ever nice in general.
Is +movedown even an exploit? You can press or hold / and it does the same thing
the engine is unchanged, the codebase was updated
Wish they would fix the Phlog exploit. Where the Phlog Pyro can be ubered. (I know it isn't an exploit, but f*ck everything about that combo).
What about the 1M health heavy exploit
It's not a new engine - if it was it would be Source 2 and would be an entirely new game.
of course they will still work
99% of these exploits are programmer mistakes that are in logic
if some bug gets fixed it is programmer fixed it manually
most of changes probably were low level stuff that is not related to gameplay
only thing that can be really changed is like that one glitch when on windows server you get 1 more metal because c++ compilers on linux and windows used different multiplication instruction
Someone did the bare minimum
Christ i hope he won't waste more of his time fixing the harmless and funny bugs
Fix the damn caber instead like god damn
I still use the slow conga/any moving taunt
Im unsure why anyone would think that the game going to 64 bit would fix anything?
can you try out the invisible heavy glitch from a while back?
Honestly. some of these exploits should *NEVER* be fixed because they're SO incredibly funny.
I mean why would a new engine fix anything it is not like they build the game from scratch in a new engine just ported it.
well to be fair this is an engine upgrade not an exploit fix
Did they fix the Bot problem btw? I stopped playing awhile ago because of that and I’d like to come back if they fixed it
because all the valve servers are still 32 bit.
Did they ever fix the Playtime adding exploit?
It’s not really a "new engine". The physics engine is still Source, the rendering engine could be swapped to Vulkan, but the physics remain the same as before.
You mean it was mostly just more memory capacity? That's crazy
I am not at all suprised, like, did you actually think that just beacuse the game is 64 bit that these would be fixed?
Pov: delfy every time when the tf2 got new update , Let's break the game xdddd
Well, probably because it is NOT a new engine, at all. Going 64bit doesn't mean anything new.
Tbh, most of those weren't really tied to the number of bits the engine runs on...
Yeah no, 64 bit doesn't mean that it is a new engine. I don't even know how a simple port like this can fix exploits..... It's not source 2 bro.... You're just asking for an ad revenue from this pointless videos 💀
Ain't no way the new engine didn't fix any old exploits, that is funny
I think you misunderstand what the 64-bit upgrade is. It's not a "new engine"
how do I get this 64 bit to work because it keeps telling me I'm in insecure mode and I can't get into community servers or casual. Pls help
Btw Frontier still work
Oh yes, remember when people was saying that switching to x64 will solve EVERY PROBLEM OF THE GAME 😒
Those people were always stupid. Everyone technically minded knew this would just reduce memory overhead and possibly improve overall performance (which I definitely get like 35 to 45% better framerates than before, it's quite nice)
So yeah it wasn't gonna fix any logic mistakes like what's in this video
I think it's a bit disingenuous to expect fixes on a simple recompile.
slow conga isnt an exploit its literally a normal keybind
It ain't a new fucking engine, 64-bit Source existed for years, they just switched the build in visual studio from Win32 to Win64
You expected valve to fix things?
It's literally a performance update, how the hell it's supposed to fix exploits? (Especially on some maps)
So basically the only thing they fixed is :
fists of steel shouldnt be considered an exploit, more like a feature
Its not new engine bro do your research
Some of this exploits its only mechanic so they probably unfixable, like machina and guillotine exploits
Why would going 64 bit fix any of this
Well at least that horrible audio glitch is gone
the one when you alt tab the game and the audio loops
that shit is gone
frontier exploit seems not working
people need to stop praising valve for half ass updates like these
They're gonna take down TF2 64 just like Portal 64😢
This is an official update dude. Launch the game rn and check task manager, it's 64 bit
I see the new engine did little on fixing the bugs
64 is not a new engine at all, it's just better stability and nothing else
Is the invisible heavy exploit back?