Land Rover LR3 / Off-Road Capability Test / Poison Spider Mesa 4x4 Trail Moab / MILITARY MOBILITY
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2021
- Brian from Military Mobility tests out the 2008 Land Rover LR3 HSE V8, nicknamed "Junior" on the Poison Spider Mesa Trail in Moab, Utah.
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Very cool video and a great cause. I have to say that the LR3 in my opinion is just so underrated. Literally all he did was put on lift rods and tires and he was able to do all of that. Most trucks you would need to purchase suspension front and rear bumpers and armor. I really love the LR3.
I have an 05 with the HD package which comes with the electronica rear locking differential. And I have to say with that model you do not need to spend the wheels it’s simply rolls over everything
Thank you for the compliment sir. We aim to inspire adventure, letting everyone know it’s within reach, and bring a sense of community. Couldn’t agree more, may well be one of the most underrated vehicles out there. So cool that you have the HD package! If we ever end up getting another one; it will have it for sure. Thanks again and see you on the trail!
Great video. I did the spider 2 years ago with my '12 LR/Disco 4 running 20psi on the waterfall. Had 2 other Land Rovers on that trip a "08 LR3 and an '04 Disco2, good time had by all. Lucky 8 has the save your ass "SYA" kit I would recommend getting for your air spring LR3. As you've already discovered, running off-road height means stiffer shocks. The SYA is a steel spacer between the shock and the frame. The combination of SYA + J-rods puts your shocks pressure back to stock while still giving you the 3" lift. The 2 biggest advantages to this setup is, 1) softer ride 2) raises bump stops 3" so your tires aren't stuck up in the wells in the event of an airbag failure. With the softer ride, you'll get less wheel bounce in rock crawl while the terrain response system is trying figuring out everything. I was aired down, in low range, on rock crawl settings and gave it steady moderate throttle and walked right up. If you lift off the throttle the terrain response system kind of starts all over. You can get the limiting straps with that kit also so you don't bind up your CV's. The guys are going to love driving "Junior".
Great info here! Thank you for sharing with us snd the greater audience. We’ve been eying the SYA kit and it’s always encouraging to receive positive endorsements like this. Also cool to see your taking the LR4 on the trail!
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I have a rear locker in my LR3 (Discovery 3) and it's amazing. Plus the payload capacity with all your gear and people is nearly twice the 4 door Jeeps. Great video.
Nice, what a score with the rear locker! We’ve debated putting in the ARB aftermarket but we’ve been doing well without... for more. Sure we’re going to need it at some point and it would help negotiate some obstacles much easier. And you’re exactly right on the payload and space, it’s a beast!
Just got an LR3 with eyes on Moab this summer. Love the intel!
Congratulations!! We think you’ll love it! Let us know when you’re out there; we’re there quite a bit, we love wheeling with new friends 👍🇺🇸
Smashed it. well done guys. Love your philosophy and the work you're doing - keep it up!
Much appreciated! Look for our Disco 3: Air vs. Coil comparison 8-part series coming soon!
Another killer Lr3 video nice work guys! Great ending, gotta love it when 10 experts show up to watch haha
Haha!! Thanks Chad, it means everything that the material resonates with folks. Time to step up the trail rating yet again, let’s find the limit!
Love the work you guys do. And amazing job negotiating those obstacles with the LR3, it's an amazing beast and the rear locker really works some magic
Thank you Khan!🙌
You did this on HSE spec car.. You got comfort also great offroad capabilities.
Exactly! We love the heated seats early in the morning. Who says you can’t have the best of both worlds?
Good job👍🏼 love those Rovers, I drive a 2004 Range Rover full size and a 2012 LR4, both off-road as much as possible.
Like the work you do with our fellow military vets!!
You’re awesome Frank! 🙌🇺🇸 It means so much to us that you would take the time and write us, take care and hope to see you on the trail.
Love what you guys do God Bless!
THANK YOU!!! 🙌🇺🇸
Another great video. I have the rear locker and it does even better with that, so if you’re buying one look for that. Look for a full size spare underneath for indication it has it.
We've been looking for an LR3 with the coveted HD package and wow they hard to find! Congrats on finding yours. We were very impressed by the capability of our center diff locker though, would love to see the rear locker in action on some of these trails, (may make it look too easy for the video though, haha!).
Good vid. I just bought a 2012 Range Rover with rear Diff locks. Can’t wait to try this trail next year.
Sweet! That’s a nice rig right there. Let us know how it goes!
great video again :D cant wait for the 8 part one , as a question ? did you disable the DSC ? in mud is recomended but dont know about rocks.
That's what's cool about the D2 and the P-38 you have that traction control but with solid axle articulation
Agreed! We have been using the D1-D2’s for years and just picked up a D2 for use in our courses.
These LR3s and LR4 are so good looking!!
We agree! 🙌
I have one and love it
Awesome and Happy Holidays!
This is really impressive! Going to check out the rest of your videos. I'm researching these, thinking about selling my 5Th gen 4Runner and picking up a LR3 instead.
Thank you very much! If interested in an LR3 I think you’ll enjoy the fins and things video and the entire air vs coil series. We have 3x LR3’s and they’re all going strong. Two of them are almost at 200k miles.
We love all brands of vehicles but I think the biggest thing you’ll enjoy with the LR3 over the 4Runner is how much room you’ll have and the commanding view. Give one a test drive and let us know what you think!
@@MilitaryMobility thanks for the info! I'll definitely check out the Fins video, I'm familiar with that trail, I ran it in a rented JK Rubicon when I was there mountain biking a few years back. I went to an off-roading event in Vermont a few months back, the organizer is a Rover guy and pretty much sold me on the LR3 as a 4R alternative. My least favorite thing about the 4R is the V6, I miss having an 8cyl. Plus I'd rather build a rig that's not as valuable as the 4R. Sale of the 4R will probably cover the LR AND a DD commuter vehicle, currently the 4R is my DD and adventure vehicle.
On top of vehicles magnificent capabilities, awesome driving !
Agreed! These LR3’s are so much fun.
@@MilitaryMobility I love my TDV6. Own her for 10 years now and about to sell it. Moving stateside. Will change to V8 eventually. Mine has M/T tires with 2.5" lift and while watching I can feel what you did when recording. Great job again.
Nice video i have my mind set on buying the lr3
Thanks Dain! Let us know what year, model, and color you end up getting. Best of luck with the search!👍
Such a beautiful machine.. Geez
Agreed! 🙌
Impressive.. ran that with a 90 on 33s and open diffs there. Open diffs makes it interesting on that one section in particular.
I bet! That’s an iconic rig you have! We love knowing how to drive snd the challenge in overcoming obstacles vice just stomping over things with a high dollar trailer queen.
great yes 👏
Thank you Martin! Greatly appreciated 🙌
Wooow that last portion... I don't get how you struggled at first 😁... Perfect finish as you rightly explained it has to slip first...
I own the same vehicle (LR3 HSE V8)
You picked a winner! Yes our Air vs Coil series is releasing soon and regardless of your preference it’ll be some fun footage to watch. Excited to hear your opinion on it🙌
The LR3s secret weapon is the very good traction control system.
Agreed👍
@@MilitaryMobility Looking forward to seeing the LR3 coiler in action. We are converting ours to coils this spring. :)
@@joelletendre1011 so fixed ride height.. I'm guessing +2" over normal?
@@pwatom22 We have one that is 2". The one I am working on now, we are experimenting with more common spring/strut options. Toyota struts, coil overs or maybe oris. The coil conversion kits are ok, however if one fails in the middle of nowhere, you can't just walk into a parts store or wrecker and get a replacement.
@@pwatom22 I’d say about +2” is an accurate estimate. We may put spacers in to gain about inch as we’d like just a bit more clearance with the break over angle. We have the Atlantic British kit. Coils compared to the air in supremely more reliable. Personally I wouldn’t worry extensively about sourcing Toyota or other parts that fit in anticipation of the strut/ coil breaking. You can always just replace the broken one with whatever is available at the time and limp yourself home accordingly.
Love the Johnson rods!
Agreed, they are such an innovative product. Johnson Rods is a great company and we are thankful they support Military Mobility.
Great Video Guys!
Which wheels are you running? Terrafirma or Delta?
Thanks in advance,
Looking forward to seeing more videos of you.
Constantin
Thanks Constantin! We're excited to get more videos out soon. The wheels we have on both LR3's are Terrafirma 18" steel. The tires are Goodyear Duratrac 275/65/R18.
@@MilitaryMobility thanks for the reply! Looking forward to seeing more videos of the LR3.
Cheers.
Constantin
The LR3 has two huge advantages over a Jeep. A thumping sound system and way more comfortable seats.
Plus with it's quiet cabin you can actually hear the music!
You can drive bro!
What wheel/tyre size you guys running? Stance on yours is awesome!
Thanks buddy. It’s a conservative 32.5” Goodyear Duratrec tire on 18” steel rims. It’s been a very successful combo for us for years. We run this on 3 of our LR3’s in our fleet 👍
Rhino Hitch, is what your looking for, or the delete and put through the center hole of the rear bumper. Have to Weld in a cross member for that though.
Thanks for reaching out Richie. We have had a Rhino hitch on our other LR3 for awhile now and love it (except for the cost and some limitations on length of hitch you can use though). We wanted to experiment and see how a budget hitch would perform with the type of wheeling we do. Not a fan of decreasing departure angle however the ability to raise the suspension with the GAP iiD tool has somewhat mitigated this, and it has offered some amount of protection along the center line so we don’t rip the plastic bumper off 😂
@@MilitaryMobility I had just found your channel so I didn't know what you had on the others. Solid video, good use of the terrain. I enjoyed it. I use the rhino, haven't had any issues yet. 2.5 Johnson's, Gap IID as well 2013 LR4 have both lockers.
@@ritch_j you are SET UP 👍. We’d love to get a LR4, score on the HD package. We were fortunate enough to be selected as 1 of 5 finalists for Land Rover’s Defender Service Awards. We’ll find out in Sep if we get donated a brand new Defender 110 for use in our programs 🙌
@@MilitaryMobility Best of Luck! I hope your Awarded it.
Holla back youngin
TOP
Thank you sir! 🙌
Did you ride with standard or off road suspension settings?
For the majority of the forest service roads we left the vehicle in 4-hi and in normal mode. We’ve also gone through a good portion of the trail like this as well, testing to see what we could get away with. When the obstacle called for it we went to 4-low and would use the appropriate setting; rock crawl, mud and ruts, sand, etc. i usually like controlling all these aspects myself with other vehicles however it’s fun to try to dissect what the traction control system is doing as well.
HELP!! I have an 06 GX470 w/ 175K. Runs awesome. However, father-in-law just passed away. I have an option to buy his '05 LR3 HSE w/ 104K. Seeing a LOT of great LR3 reviews but have also heard horror stories about LR3 reliability vs GX.
Thoughts for overlanding between the two?
Steven, we are saddened to hear of your father-in-law’s passing.
As for the LR3, I think a few things are at play as for reliability; the disco ii’s troublesome reputation, that’s why LR changed the name from Discovery to LR3. The engines in both our LR3’s are the Jaguar/ Ford 4.4 which are in more cars than you think (do some research) and have been bombproof for us. Next is the air suspension which as you see in the videos can be finicky but with good maintenance and some mechanical know is an incredible system. As many owners don’t understand the air system and don’t work on the rigs themselves this is where high dealer costs set in (hint: it’s not that complicated). Last is the overall cost of parts and mechanical work. You can get away with many ford parts on this but overall parts will be a bit more than Toyota I’d say.
In a combined 8 years of owning these 2x LR3’s besides routine fluid changes we’ve done very little repairs to them and put them through a lot. Final point is that I’m usually leary of the first year or two of a production vehicle so 05 being the first year maybe do some research and see if there were any issues. Best of luck!
pretty cool video! Can I get the wheel size and brand?
Thanks Paul, greatly appreciated! The tires are Goodyear Duratrac 275/65/R18 on steel Terrafirma rims. It’s been a great combo for us and we run them on both our LR3’s for compatibility.
@@MilitaryMobility Thank you so much!
There are some positives about Hill Descent Control. I generally agree that it's annoying, but it's great when the terrain is uneven on a descent. You hit a hole and the wheel spins. Instead of the axle taking all that torque when you hit terra again, HDC brakes that spinning wheel and acts as a torque arrester of sorts. Also, it works in all gears, even N. So if you fail a hill climb you can use it to back down under control, since the gearing in R is high enough to he uncomfortably fast. Other than that, the 4-Lo gearing is doing all the work, you don't need HDC.
I don't really agree about the articulation of the LR3, at least not when compared to other IFS vehicles. 10" of travel in front, 13" in rear. Of course the modified rods affect that, but look at those numbers to, say, an H2..
Great video, great work! Thanks for your service. These videos make me wanna be out there with ya on the trail. I've never been to Moab.
A lot of great info here! Can’t wait to try out the HDC in neutral, awesome tip. It has been difficult to find specific tech data on the suspension, first time I’ve heard numbers for travel (thanks). We use a lot of Jeeps as well where we love to geek out on our suspension setups. We have one Jeep that has 11” up front and 12” rear and it articulates MUCH better than the LR3, although the LR3 is still one of our favs. Looking forward to diving into that more. Thanks for the encouragement, it’s greatly appreciated!
@@MilitaryMobility yeah, articulation and wheel travel are two different things, for sure and the numbers I cite above are for wheel travel. I have never found RTI numbers for the LR3, so that's the best I've got. The cross-linked valves do a respectable job of creating "twist" by forcing air into the opposite spring when one wheel gets stuffed, but I'm sure it has its limitations. I have a pretty cool pic on a cross-axle section of trail where one rear wheel is stuffed into the wheel well and the other is being forced pretty far down. You'd swear there is a solid axle back there, but of course there isn't.
As others have stated in these comments, the HD vehicles are a lot different to drive and that lack of articulation doesn't seem to matter so much. I have an LR3 with the locker and one without. The one with the rear locker almost never engages the Traction Control.
@@MilitaryMobility Just to add, you can control the speed of HDC using the cruise control buttons. Brings the speed right down, particularly in reverse. Neutral is an option but better to be in a gear, even in an auto.
@@larry365 Score on the Pro Tip!
How does it compare to the coil version?
So glad you asked! We have an entire series being edited that compares air vs coil in depth like you’ve never seen before!
@@MilitaryMobility Nice! Im excited to watch... Not sure anyone has done that yet. Your videos are great and I love what you guys are doing. Keep going... once your channel gains a little more exposure it will take off. Good luck to you all.
@@MilitaryMobility will be glad to watch the 2 but I m loving my air suspension more
How reliable has it been?
Hi, you should check out our 8 episode series comparing the Air vs Coil suspension on the LR3. We love it, almost 200k miles and still adventuring!
What are Johnson rods?
They are a simple yet ingenious piece of kit that “tricks” the computer to think the suspension is lower that it should be; so it gives you a lift to clear bigger tires. This can also be done with the GAP iiD tool (which we also have). The GAP tool is essential for lots of reasons if you own a newer LR
But it also makes the ride rock hard because it is aired up all the way and doesn't really have any more travel
Center locking diff just means four-wheel drive from it's already all-wheel drive LOL nothing special. Not having it wouldn't make sense it would be like a Subaru but with low range LOL
Hi Ron, this seems like a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. The LR3’s don’t have all wheel drive as you mentioned but a full time, dual range four wheel drive system.
I had to bail because of the music.
Thanks for taking the time to let the world know this. Please keep in mind we are a 501c3 non-profit which provides resiliency training to veterans in need. As such we use every penny for the veterans, and that means using the free music made available to us.
@@MilitaryMobilityI have a 2015 Discovery 4 HSE luxury with 60 k miles on the clock. Love it. FWIW I also love your content, your work for the vets...and your very well thought out replies to the comments. Keep up the great work.
@@dipladonic Thanksgiving has come early! 🦃 Thank you for the kind words! We’re pumped so many people have been enjoying the content. We have lots more and have been working on ways of gaining support to continue putting this out. // You’ve got a great rig that will serve you well for a long time to come, have fun and Happy Holidays!