Its not just Zen that says you should bring all of your actions into the practice, the Noble Eight-fold Path is essentially saying you should be mindful in all situations. Zen however has far longer periods of meditation than most Buddhist Schools, expect perhaps the most traditional of Theravada such as the Thai Forest Tradition.
Zen is influenced by both Indian budhism and daoism, so putting these two things together you have a good practice for the monks, but by also focusing on the idea of wuwei (effortless action) and a practice of zazen Zen can have a good effect on you. But yes I think Sadhguru is right and I myself am zen budhist. But if you read the work of Hui neng you can also have the conception of enlightenment always there to be suddenly realized in a sudden. If I were advising anyone on zen I would recomend Hui neng who also said you dont need to be a monk in a monastary to become enlightened.🙏🙏
2:39 Buddha didn't call breathing meditation as satipattana. In fact buddha called it anapan vabna. Satipattana is another kind of meditation like vipassana. Buddhist know it well.
Zen is not effective unless the practice is contentious, 24/7. Like he said. Zen is not effective unless the practicer understands zen, how does one understand zen? Well who's asking? Once one understands zen, Everything is a lesson in zen. If that frustrates/confuses you bc you really want to know....you know what this is all about! Then I can tell you if you are a sincere seeker that wants to find truth, not a fake seeker who will reject truth when it doesn't suit him, but a sincere one who wants to know! you'll find the way soon enough.
'Introduction To Zen' by D.T. Suzuki is a great book. This book was read by Carl Jung too. Zen is a great way of living but it is not easy too practice. Sadhguru very beautifully explained it.
Great initiative from our Sadhguruji.....Great response and easily can know about wt we are doing by Making Isha .... It's all about our spiritual way that's all ....
@stonedrenched The isha and Zen comes under Karma yoga. Karma yoga is not a concept, it is the way of natural life of human being. one should surrender (without any force by others) to the guru. By this surrender one can free from ego. then one can start their spiritual life without ego. so any foundations like isha or zen is the place to come out from ego.that's it
I'm new to this and very confused. Isn't the person asking the question making a comparison between pranayama and Zen and thus making a reductive, sweeping characterization of the latter? I thought shikantaza was an example of practice from the Zen tradition that might be at odds with forms of 'meditation' (including pranayama and some of the others) that preceded it. But I don't know. Maybe someone else does?
I disagree, Zen is not something that can be learned or practised; it is not a system. Zen is the non-time bound aspect of meditation. There is no movement of time in zen.
I agree that Zen is the opposite of accumalation of knowlege but many westerners get confused with this concept and dont fully understand the true power of zen.
So if zen requires a whole lifestyle system to be effective, what other options are available aside from zen? And if watching the breath is the most rudimentary meditation, what other ways can we meditate?
@stonedrenched There may be much in zen but what sadhguru explaining was the concepts of zen is not new to the Indian culture. we are following that from ages and ages.
This Sadhguru seems to know about everything but Buddhism. He says watching the breath was called Sathipattana by Buddha. Which is completely wrong.! Sathipattana is a complicated technique incorporating 4 subdivisions which again may include a vast number of meditation methods. The meaning of Sathipattana is establishing conciousness. And same goes for Dhyana. While the word might be the same there is a dramatic difference between Buddhist and HIndu Dhyanas. HIndu dhyana appears as only one step in ashtanga yoga. BUt in Buddhist dhyana there are 8 stages in Dhyana itself.
There are many types of yoga and different ways. Buddha just got sucess or enlightened in one part of the yoga.Buddha's yoga is the only one brach of a tree and the branch have many leafs. Yo must understand.
R. Dhammapali Siddhartha gautam is the real name of buddha. There is meaning of word buddha explained by sadh guru check it out. Siddhartha gautam was born in lumbini nepal.He was seeking one place to another place and learning about yoga with yogis. He himself was not doing meditation.He was learning from many gurus going from one place to aother place. At last he got enlightment in anciant india.
Well, it obvious that Sadhguru is well aware of the Zen nature. Here is a gentleman well aware of the knowledge that many would wish to attain. This awareness lives well enough in him that it comes alive in his expression. One short meditation that Sadhguru narrates is, "As I breath in, 'I am not this body, as I exhale, I am not even this mind." The meditation continues with simple breathe mindfulness. You can take from this, just what is this apart from mind that we live as real, even those that speak always of no mind, live an expression of their mind. So yes, Sadhguru knows his Zen.
With due respect, Sadguru says in this video that following the breath is not by feeling it, but there are other ways to do it. What is that other way ? He's not cleat. Zen is about clarity. Sadguru shows lack of it by talking in circles. Pls ask urself at the end of this video what is the useful information that u get ?
@@pradyumn2692 Clarity is a good notion. One is well advised to let the mud settle so that one can see. There is however the way to clarified vision is to confront one’s confusion and paradox. There is the notion that Zen calls for due diligent to practice as a monk. From that we can be assured the novice does not embody the necessary function of Zen. In response to the inquiry as what I got from Sadhguru’s video; not much. I already appreciate Sadhguru as an individual and he does follow the tenets of Hinduism. Sadhguru does chat about other religions and practices in a positive way with respect. About your point of Sadhguru talking in circles: pls look to your on lack of clarity. I do practice looking to see what is truly implied when someone makes a suggestion. Any confusion resides here first and I must address my understanding. One thing I have heard people say is, “Don’t believe a damned thing I say”. Take the words in to entertain the subject, our internal dialogue is predigested and that is our measure of the dialogue.
To be fair, the "Prana" and "Qi" are two VERY different conceptualization of the breath, and you cannot completely erase Taoist and Chinese Alchemist effects on Chang/Zen as it entered and permeated the Far East.
Just talking in circle without saying anything. 1. zen is 800-1200 years old but Adiyogi system is older than that. So just bcoz one is older how is it superior ? 2. How is meditation a dimension ? Definition of dimension is not clear. 3. If both Isha and Zen are designed to change life, why cant u say the goal of both are same ? why talk in circles ? 4. He said there are other ways of following the breath, what is that "other way" should we pay to know ?
Siddhartha gautam is the real name of buddha. There is meaning of word buddha explained by sadh guru check it out. Siddhartha gautam was born in lumbini nepal.He was seeking one place to another place and learning about yoga with yogis. He himself was not doing meditation.He was learning from many gurus going from one place to aother place. At last he got enlightment in anciant india.
So what makes it better that one is older?? A pandita or Gyani is not gyan The moment this Gurinder is writing there is no truth as he is the manifestation of the Truth of no existence the way ... he is writing for the reason that there is no reason to bark.
Sadhguru is right. The very conclusion of zen is zazen itself, the practice, and everything is zazen, watching this video is zazen, don't try to understand zen, simply start practicing.
The good thing about Sadhguru is that although he is an enlightened person (and I do believe he is), he makes mistakes, he has opinions that are infected by his pride, his prejudices, etc. I think this was a bad answer, but that's ok. He's human, and humans are not right all the time, even the enlightened ones.
Having been focused on zen for over a year that Sadhguru seems right enough. An impressive level of knowledge, it has to be said.
It's amazing to me how much he knows. If that's not a sign of enlightenment, then what is.
@@VennThuria knowing is not a problem if you read. But the problem is he not at all read.
@@theperfectcelibate8669 How do you know he didn't read or study all those things?
Its not just Zen that says you should bring all of your actions into the practice, the Noble Eight-fold Path is essentially saying you should be mindful in all situations. Zen however has far longer periods of meditation than most Buddhist Schools, expect perhaps the most traditional of Theravada such as the Thai Forest Tradition.
Zen is influenced by both Indian budhism and daoism, so putting these two things together you have a good practice for the monks, but by also focusing on the idea of wuwei (effortless action) and a practice of zazen Zen can have a good effect on you. But yes I think Sadhguru is right and I myself am zen budhist. But if you read the work of Hui neng you can also have the conception of enlightenment always there to be suddenly realized in a sudden. If I were advising anyone on zen I would recomend Hui neng who also said you dont need to be a monk in a monastary to become enlightened.🙏🙏
Following the breath is not the only type of meditation in zen.
everlight1 I think he classified on that in the video.
Brando ;)
Sure?
any way they got it from India..
@@umeshkeralam2197 don't claim it's indian then gravity is not universal...😂
2:39 Buddha didn't call breathing meditation as satipattana. In fact buddha called it anapan vabna. Satipattana is another kind of meditation like vipassana. Buddhist know it well.
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Zen is not effective unless the practice is contentious, 24/7. Like he said. Zen is not effective unless the practicer understands zen, how does one understand zen? Well who's asking? Once one understands zen, Everything is a lesson in zen.
If that frustrates/confuses you bc you really want to know....you know what this is all about! Then I can tell you if you are a sincere seeker that wants to find truth, not a fake seeker who will reject truth when it doesn't suit him, but a sincere one who wants to know! you'll find the way soon enough.
'Introduction To Zen' by D.T. Suzuki is a great book. This book was read by Carl Jung too. Zen is a great way of living but it is not easy too practice. Sadhguru very beautifully explained it.
Dt suzuki is a great author
Great initiative from our Sadhguruji.....Great response and easily can know about wt we are doing by Making Isha ....
It's all about our spiritual way that's all ....
@stonedrenched The isha and Zen comes under Karma yoga. Karma yoga is not a concept, it is the way of natural life of human being. one should surrender (without any force by others) to the guru. By this surrender one can free from ego. then one can start their spiritual life without ego. so any foundations like isha or zen is the place to come out from ego.that's it
I'm new to this and very confused. Isn't the person asking the question making a comparison between pranayama and Zen and thus making a reductive, sweeping characterization of the latter? I thought shikantaza was an example of practice from the Zen tradition that might be at odds with forms of 'meditation' (including pranayama and some of the others) that preceded it. But I don't know. Maybe someone else does?
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I disagree, Zen is not something that can be learned or practised; it is not a system. Zen is the non-time bound aspect of meditation. There is no movement of time in zen.
To do something new which u know nothing about it u need to practice then u can dissolve...
I agree that Zen is the opposite of accumalation of knowlege but many westerners get confused with this concept and dont fully understand the true power of zen.
Why we are Cooking it..
Soup have one taste ...
All vegetable have cook in same utensils.
Thank you for this my friend. You have changed my life i am now 24/7 in the zen mode
+Wouter Vlierman dude, get real
So if zen requires a whole lifestyle system to be effective, what other options are available aside from zen? And if watching the breath is the most rudimentary meditation, what other ways can we meditate?
NAMASKARAM SADHGURU SARANAM🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I see ultimate yogis debating and battling with each other in comment section below.😂😂😂each one is feeling like a god who knows what he is spreading.
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You don't have to live in a monastery to practice Zen. Zen is just a word.
Then what you called your method of Dhyan ??
@stonedrenched There may be much in zen but what sadhguru explaining was the concepts of zen is not new to the Indian culture. we are following that from ages and ages.
to most of u ppl martial arts as well as yoga always are from india just that we lost the science due to british
Well said.. 👍
vikram bharadwaj British and Muslims.
Palak Desai
Muslims did great damage. Destroyed Buddhist centers of learning.
Nobody on this planet has a right to patent ownership of anything.
Joso sam that's y u guys invented patent system right?
thanks a lot for this great way of explanation king Sadhguru
This Sadhguru seems to know about everything but Buddhism. He says watching the breath was called Sathipattana by Buddha. Which is completely wrong.! Sathipattana is a complicated technique incorporating 4 subdivisions which again may include a vast number of meditation methods. The meaning of Sathipattana is establishing conciousness. And same goes for Dhyana. While the word might be the same there is a dramatic difference between Buddhist and HIndu Dhyanas. HIndu dhyana appears as only one step in ashtanga yoga. BUt in Buddhist dhyana there are 8 stages in Dhyana itself.
R. Dhammapali , bro , pathanjali 's yoga sutra is a sutra which means formulas , each step in yoga sutra has many sub division from asanaa to samathi.
R. Dhammapali just shut the fuck up you know nothing just admit it stop being so smart
There are many types of yoga and different ways. Buddha just got sucess or enlightened in one part of the yoga.Buddha's yoga is the only one brach of a tree and the branch have many leafs. Yo must understand.
R. Dhammapali Siddhartha gautam is the real name of buddha. There is meaning of word buddha explained by sadh guru check it out. Siddhartha gautam was born in lumbini nepal.He was seeking one place to another place and learning about yoga with yogis. He himself was not doing meditation.He was learning from many gurus going from one place to aother place. At last he got enlightment in anciant india.
Buddha 's branch is karma yoga.
Well, it obvious that Sadhguru is well aware of the Zen nature. Here is a gentleman well aware of the knowledge that many would wish to attain. This awareness lives well enough in him that it comes alive in his expression. One short meditation that Sadhguru narrates is, "As I breath in, 'I am not this body, as I exhale, I am not even this mind." The meditation continues with simple breathe mindfulness. You can take from this, just what is this apart from mind that we live as real, even those that speak always of no mind, live an expression of their mind. So yes, Sadhguru knows his Zen.
With due respect, Sadguru says in this video that following the breath is not by feeling it, but there are other ways to do it. What is that other way ? He's not cleat. Zen is about clarity. Sadguru shows lack of it by talking in circles. Pls ask urself at the end of this video what is the useful information that u get ?
@@pradyumn2692 Clarity is a good notion. One is well advised to let the mud settle so that one can see. There is however the way to clarified vision is to confront one’s confusion and paradox. There is the notion that Zen calls for due diligent to practice as a monk. From that we can be assured the novice does not embody the necessary function of Zen.
In response to the inquiry as what I got from Sadhguru’s video; not much. I already appreciate Sadhguru as an individual and he does follow the tenets of Hinduism. Sadhguru does chat about other religions and practices in a positive way with respect.
About your point of Sadhguru talking in circles: pls look to your on lack of clarity. I do practice looking to see what is truly implied when someone makes a suggestion. Any confusion resides here first and I must address my understanding.
One thing I have heard people say is, “Don’t believe a damned thing I say”. Take the words in to entertain the subject, our internal dialogue is predigested and that is our measure of the dialogue.
with all respect to Sadguru.. even the master can be wrong about " sathipattana" glad I knew "singhaleese" language.
pathanjali 's yoga sutra is a sutra which means formulas , each step in yoga sutra has many sub division from asanaa to samathi.
Sadhguru is full of arrogance. Someone ask him how his wife died and what charges were slapped on him and where does that case stands now.
Sadguru doesn't know what sathipattana is. He talking satipattana as breathing meditation lol
@@nitin1947he is a cheap man.
To be fair, the "Prana" and "Qi" are two VERY different conceptualization of the breath, and you cannot completely erase Taoist and Chinese Alchemist effects on Chang/Zen as it entered and permeated the Far East.
Lol, you all guys are arguing who knows less about the subject. Just drop the shit and move on
the best video i've watched yet
Just talking in circle without saying anything.
1. zen is 800-1200 years old but Adiyogi system is older than that. So just bcoz one is older how is it superior ?
2. How is meditation a dimension ? Definition of dimension is not clear.
3. If both Isha and Zen are designed to change life, why cant u say the goal of both are same ? why talk in circles ?
4. He said there are other ways of following the breath, what is that "other way" should we pay to know ?
Woderfully said.One of the best video of Sadhguru :)
SADGURU MY THIRD EYE WAS OPEN 12-14C YEARS AGO AND SAW MSANY MANY THINGS THEN I SAW CHIVA THEN VISHNU AND ASK THEM TO BE PART OF ME
meditative mind is zen, wandering mind is zen.
Wow...deep!
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most of his stories from jataka book from buddhism..100% copied from sidartha gauthama sermon..just blend it to indian lifestyle..
LOVE YOYU SADGURU
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Siddhartha gautam is the real name of buddha. There is meaning of word buddha explained by sadh guru check it out. Siddhartha gautam was born in lumbini nepal.He was seeking one place to another place and learning about yoga with yogis. He himself was not doing meditation.He was learning from many gurus going from one place to aother place. At last he got enlightment in anciant india.
Plz present in hindi
It is not actually anapan sati ,it was Actually Praan Apan Sati,
Some positive talks on sattipathan otherwise not encourage simple way of Vipassana
He nor the questioner have any idea what zen is.
The dude who asked the question apparently did not take zen koans into account.
@amoeboy What is stopping you other than yourself ?
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quite a good putdown of a competitor !
So what makes it better that one is older??
A pandita or Gyani is not gyan
The moment this Gurinder is writing there is no truth as he is the manifestation of the Truth of no existence the way ... he is writing for the reason that there is no reason to bark.
Please Hindi
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2021
osho and krishna murti had a son? i didn´t know that!
Then you probably even don't know that two males cannot have a child...or probably your family has discovered a new way of reproduction...
Tactile sensation is the reality....everythingelse is imagination..
Even buddha got enlightenment . when he came to india so there should not be any doubt about which is better
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Sadhguru is right. The very conclusion of zen is zazen itself, the practice, and everything is zazen, watching this video is zazen, don't try to understand zen, simply start practicing.
Bodhidharma transmitted Chan Buddhism to China
More precisely Bodhidharma transmitted Dhyan to China
Wonder what he doing to make a living.
The good thing about Sadhguru is that although he is an enlightened person (and I do believe he is), he makes mistakes, he has opinions that are infected by his pride, his prejudices, etc.
I think this was a bad answer, but that's ok. He's human, and humans are not right all the time, even the enlightened ones.
Bro... Thinking happens only from mind right so what you become enlightened...
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:)
I imagine they are both ritual indolence.
Right wing nationalist.
here in 2024 🙏🏻♥️ Love You Sadhguru
Too muck talking.
NAMASKARAM SADHGURU SARANAM🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏