Could you define what you mean by a ‘miracle’ and give us one verified and corroborated example of one. Just one please. Pick the best one you know of.
Archaeology plays a nice role in defending history. If we "believed" what minimalists were saying before 1846, Judah never existed and David was a myth. Now we know that minimalism is often wrong. Minimalists don't seem to have taken very many logic courses because the argument from silence never works. Egypt has been a fantastic treasure trove of manuscripts because of no humidity, but I am still hoping that Palestine continues to yield artifacts. One of the greatest field trips I ever took in seminary was to the Chicago Oriental Institute to see thousands of artifacts and manuscripts under one roof, including Queen Esther's throne. Highly recommend that trip. You'll need a whole day for the various exhibits. Then go out for pizza.
What is never answered is how is invisibility an act of love? Why are deaths random? Why are innocent animals dying and suffering daily? Why is a loving God so enthralled with death? Why was Satan allowed freewill in heaven and then left alone to rage?
@@WilbertLek You've come to a video about Christian archaeology and you're rather spitefully posting replies to almost every single comment you can find. I'm no brain scientist, but that's evidence of a deeply ingrained bias (and perhaps a whole host of other personality issues!) right there 🤣🤣🤣
terrible video work, not once did the camera show me what the speaker was displaying...good info in the speech but lacking the visual I would not watch again...actually stopped at 41 minutes
Its possible the camera they used could not see the slides & it would have just shown a blank screen depending on what kind of slides & the kind of lighting used.Typical slides when filmed with light only show a blank white screen. There ARE ways to make the slides show up though since I've seen it done but you probably have to special equipment, either special camera or special kind of slides or both. For a lecture like this, they really should invest in such equipment & show the slides!
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***** it's not just him it's other individual people who have rediscovered and confirmed many but not all of his caims. The one where he talked about ark of covenant was kinda odd but he was right on all the other finds soooooooo.....
***** Let's take them 1 at a time. I can say the Mount Sinai find was a definent yes and the lake below that came from the rock that moses split and all the finding's around there. The Noah's ark find is almost a definent yes I really can't see how that would be a no but that is one I am like probably butt I need to research about the actual test that were done and who were they done by. He found were Jesus was crusified.and the missing stone from the tomb below. The ark of the covenant is a HUE claim so I dunno it seems all good but only time will tell He found city of Sodom and GOmorah this is a yes but I think he just rediscovered alot of this you see people had known about these places for thousands of years they just kinda got forgotten in the last few hundred years and rediscovered. A lot of the finds were from different peoples stories that we still have today for instance Noah's ark I think was found around ww2 from an airplane that had saw the boat formation. I would say the most convincing for me was the MOUNT SINAI find that was in your face real. You can see all that stuff on google earth I can't believe someone didn't know that earlier because it is the only path the Hebrews could have taken out of Egypt and all the chariot's that were found and the poles marking the crossing of the red sea I think one was put in a museum by the Jewsl before they retreated from the muslims. People say Ron Wyatt was a bad person taking peoples money but I don't know any individual that got robbed, I mean maybe Ron didn't show proof of the ark of the covenant but you can guarantee it wasn't cause he was being lazy. He really worked his butt off over in the middle east finding all this stuff and he never got rich go talk to his family they are not rich. Another thing he testified many times about things in church and he balled his eyes out you can usually spot a fake. Right before he died he made a confession I don't know if you listened to it but he said he didn't lie about anything, you see it isn't just one thing that makes me trust his intention's it's everything. People alway's say people like Ron Wyatt is a scam artist for taking money but he didn't get that much look at the way he lived I mean come on people never question all these other archaeologist when they find something even when there proven wrong they don't get beat down and called names and they get hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes millions.
+panda bear get on Google earth and look foe Egypt and Saudi Arabia now find newaba beach in Egypt now got straight east you will find mount jabal so then look for burnt mountain top all around that area all the way back to giza is the story of exodus there are tons pictures just read exodus and look in that area it's perfect.
54 possible to let go of the guilt after we leave so now I obviously I didn't understand really the guilt of what so that's exactly what I asked them and they said sure I'll explain the guilt maybe feelings of fear some of us experience after we leave even though in our hearts we know that it's wrong in terms of the organization it's teaching yes that's why we left yes bc we were ingraine for so long of how we were sinners now that we've left the threat of Armageddon was so ingrained in us since birth sometimes I feel it's very hard to loosen that grip and feel at peace with my choice so how can you reassure someone that their choice to leave the organization was correct and that these fears of being a sinner and Armageddon are irrational I don't know I think we're I think human beings are are a rational by by Nature I think I've spoke to you before it's this this sense of almost impending doom and I don't know if it's bc of you know kind of you know it's what sells Life After Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses | The Truth Hurts Podcast Ep.1 The Jehovah's Witness Matrix your own mind Harrison Cother bv14 john 18:37"You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
the slides!!!!! soooo frustrating! we miss ALL of the fun! Having listened all through he seriously oversimplifies the sceptics view to make them seem totally unreasonable. Why would the Jewish scribes want to fake their own history? But, on the other hand, finding artefacts that verify the babylonian captivity does not mean that the crossing of the Red Sea was therefore strictly miraculous . Storytellers down the ages can soon turn a natural event into supernatural one long before anyone thought to write it down.
Historical accounts are plausible in themselves. But you can go down the wrong rabbit hole if you make certain assumptions. Even if the whole of Judaic History were factual, none of that would validate any of the supernatural claims explicitly stated in the Bible.
Finding the manuscript for Isaiah in the DSC doesn't verify *ANY* of the content since it's dated to 150 - 200 BC. All it does is show the later copies are accurate. .....a massive fail. lol
It’s similar with many other secular finds which no one doubts. Why those which support the Bible should be trashed? Just because they support the Bible?
No document, regardless of how much it is respected, is assumed to be correct if there is uncertainty involved. Not even something like the Icelandic sagas are accepted as truth, and they have a far more reliable pedigree than the bible. Why should the bible just be assumed to be true??? This is what is messed up about some people’s Christian thinking.
This man should be an apologist. Lol he is trying hard and doing everything he can to be intellectually honest. this is how Christians rationalize anything, with men like this who are honest... but not not truthful.
faith is to believe in something that has no proof. people want proof if Jesus was alive or if he was risen...well those people will never get their answer . something to be proofed is called science .....those are 2 totally opposite things that never can come closer.
Do you not agree that it is important to verify if the claims of believers represent something that exists in reality, as opposed to something that exists in their heads?
Did the camera operator set up everything and then duck out for the rest of the lecture? Oh! Unthinking people, do you not know that we, as well, would benefit from the visuals as much as did the attendees? All of you are feckless! This does not look good for the Bible Institute of Los Angeles.
Here's my question that no atheist or judeochristian has been able to answer. Passover has been a Jewish tradition for at least 2000 years. The song of the sea has to be 3000 years old minimum. It's basically a fight rally/diss song. It speaks of a tradition where Moses led the jews out of Egypt and buried the Pharoah. Why isn't there a rebuttal from egypt? Why has no Pharoah mentioned this tradition? Why haven't I heard of one papyrus saying "those Israelites, they are rubbing in their victory and we'll get them" or "those Israelites, what a bunch of liars." I mean, the lack of response could imply the tradition is true and it could imply the tradition is false. Hindu, Muslim, jew, Christian, atheists--we are some shit talking mofos. Yet, no one in Egypt clapped back. It's ancient times so word traveled slowly but the levant ans Egypt are neighbors. There was a Jewish temple in elphatine Island in Egypt. The Egyptians understood their own history. I personally think the tradition has some basis in fact. There were semite slaves in Egypt and I assume a lot left.
Interesting but-yikes, this gentleman may want to get up to speed on many other Biblical discoveries, e.g., he seems to know nothing about the Red Sea crossing at Nuweiba beach on the Gulf of Aqaba. I suspect he’s just too influenced by the dim halls of secular Academia.
It is plausible to know a figure like Abraham Lincoln actually existed. But that has no bearing on 'Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Slayer,' as far as being something to take seriously Historically. Such is the Bible. Just think of Noah's Ark alone, you got an absurdity by definition.
Satan is at work, don't you get it?people here are so carnal, they see everything with natural eyes. Everything that promoting saving souls, would encounter hindrances. I am talking from experience.
Bloom doesn't get it. The miracles performed by the pagan gods and told of in the pagan literature totally outdo the biblical miracles. Why believe the one and not the other? There is history in the bible but it's found mostly between the lines. Egyptology and Palestinian archeology have reached a consensus: ancient Israel was never in Egypt so no Ten Plagues; no Exodus; no Wanderings and no Conquest. David and Solomon may have existed but if they did they ruled villages, not a kingdom. The bible authors sometimes used the names of real people and places but as propaganda props. According to the bible Abraham (~2,000 BCE) came from "Ur of the Chaldees." Who were the Chaldees? The Chaldeans. But they did not rise as a tribe until over 1,000 years after the time of the Abraham character and didn't control Ur until centuries later. It's only wise to consider biblical stories to be maybe true - maybe false until corroborated by outside evidence. The real attitude of minimalists isn't to prove the bible wrong but just to not assume it's all historical until proved. Miracle stories just detract from trustworthiness. That goes for the New Testament too. The N.T. contains many contradictions. True scholars believe neither account until evidence favors one or the other. Bloom's attitude seems to be "believe both." Just because a person from the bible is confirmed to exist doesn't mean the stories are true. Yes, there was an Abraham Lincoln. Does that make "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" historical? Only peripherally.
I did not appreciate the article he wrote in "The Apologetics Study Bible." He equates modern circumcision to Jewish circumcision and gives outdated medical data on it's benefits. He may be an intelligent man, but not on this subject.
Absence of evidence does sometimes prove that things claimed to have happened actually didn't Depending on what where when . Typical American archaeologist ...I use the term archaeologist lightly .
@@WilbertLek I agree with you about absence of evidence , Especially when people claim or believe something happened somewhere. And if true would leave loads of evidence behind. But , it depends on what people claim happened. Likd if some man walked across a field and claimed a burning bush spoke to him, it's very unlikely that any evidence would exist. But something like Caesar saying 12000 men destroyed a settlement of a massive Celtic tribe and nothing is found No evidence of burning, no signs of attack, or signs of the settlement preparing for defence, nothing at all, no usual losses, snapped buckles, dropped coins etc , nothing, when 12000 men have stomped around and built camps Yet no archaeology exists, then absence of evidence is evidence that nothing happened , No matter what Caesar ( or whoever) wrote it, claimed .
Dr. Bloom is the best! Went through the MASR program and it was incredible!
Such a disappointment to not see the slides!
o slides, everyone is laughing and we are stuck guessing what they are laughing at.
I would have liked to have seen the slides, not worth much without them
Absolutely amazing work!
@@WilbertLek what a petty little twit you are
@@WilbertLek stuff a sock in it.
I watch this, dying to know what the slides show 🤣
Agree with others. Great speaker but show the slides!
Would the slides be available for reference?
No sharing of graphics-is this Biolas' best presentation acumen?
There are many miracles around us today. Ppl just don't see or recognize them as such. Speaking from personal experiences.
Could you define what you mean by a ‘miracle’ and give us one verified and corroborated example of one. Just one please. Pick the best one you know of.
Tragic that they didn't film the slides!
Um, no slides. We’re just supposed to imagine what he is showing us?
@@WilbertLek Preferable to have slides to see what speaker was talking about. That's not too hard to understand. Is it?
Great speaker but please please have the camera shoot the slides next time :)
Same comment!!!
Archaeology plays a nice role in defending history. If we "believed" what minimalists were saying before 1846, Judah never existed and David was a myth. Now we know that minimalism is often wrong. Minimalists don't seem to have taken very many logic courses because the argument from silence never works. Egypt has been a fantastic treasure trove of manuscripts because of no humidity, but I am still hoping that Palestine continues to yield artifacts. One of the greatest field trips I ever took in seminary was to the Chicago Oriental Institute to see thousands of artifacts and manuscripts under one roof, including Queen Esther's throne. Highly recommend that trip. You'll need a whole day for the various exhibits. Then go out for pizza.
What is never answered is how is invisibility an act of love? Why are deaths random? Why are innocent animals dying and suffering daily? Why is a loving God so enthralled with death? Why was Satan allowed freewill in heaven and then left alone to rage?
Slides please:)
It's a bit pointless to make a video this long without showing even one slide that audience can obviously see!!
@@WilbertLek You're clearly the most biased person in this whole comment section.
@@WilbertLek You've come to a video about Christian archaeology and you're rather spitefully posting replies to almost every single comment you can find. I'm no brain scientist, but that's evidence of a deeply ingrained bias (and perhaps a whole host of other personality issues!) right there 🤣🤣🤣
might want to include accompanying slides...
My favourite part of tis presentation was the pics...sigh
This is surreal.
Why do you show only that oldfashion man? Mr.Beauty?
terrible video work, not once did the camera show me what the speaker was displaying...good info in the speech but lacking the visual I would not watch again...actually stopped at 41 minutes
25:53 - I thought the police were driving by until I paused the video
Where r the damn slides!!!!!!
How long did it take you to put the hair back together
Its possible the camera they used could not see the slides & it would have just shown a blank screen depending on what kind of slides & the kind of lighting used.Typical slides when filmed with light only show a blank white screen. There ARE ways to make the slides show up though since I've seen it done but you probably have to special equipment, either special camera or special kind of slides or both. For a lecture like this, they really should invest in such equipment & show the slides!
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There is a site called 'The Tomb of Adam and Eve' in the Middle East. Think of what that all implies. It would be a paradox if it were even genuine.
I get tired of people doubting stuff like this the same guy discovered Noah's Ark his name is Ron White.
***** it's not just him it's other individual people who have rediscovered and confirmed many but not all of his caims. The one where he talked about ark of covenant was kinda odd but he was right on all the other finds soooooooo.....
***** Let's take them 1 at a time. I can say the Mount Sinai find was a definent yes and the lake below that came from the rock that moses split and all the finding's around there.
The Noah's ark find is almost a definent yes I really can't see how that would be a no but that is one I am like probably butt I need to research about the actual test that were done and who were they done by.
He found were Jesus was crusified.and the missing stone from the tomb below.
The ark of the covenant is a HUE claim so I dunno it seems all good but only time will tell
He found city of Sodom and GOmorah this is a yes but I think he just rediscovered alot of this you see people had known about these places for thousands of years they just kinda got forgotten in the last few hundred years and rediscovered. A lot of the finds were from different peoples stories that we still have today for instance Noah's ark I think was found around ww2 from an airplane that had saw the boat formation.
I would say the most convincing for me was the MOUNT SINAI find that was in your face real. You can see all that stuff on google earth I can't believe someone didn't know that earlier because it is the only path the Hebrews could have taken out of Egypt and all the chariot's that were found and the poles marking the crossing of the red sea I think one was put in a museum by the Jewsl before they retreated from the muslims.
People say Ron Wyatt was a bad person taking peoples money but I don't know any individual that got robbed, I mean maybe Ron didn't show proof of the ark of the covenant but you can guarantee it wasn't cause he was being lazy. He really worked his butt off over in the middle east finding all this stuff and he never got rich go talk to his family they are not rich. Another thing he testified many times about things in church and he balled his eyes out you can usually spot a fake. Right before he died he made a confession I don't know if you listened to it but he said he didn't lie about anything, you see it isn't just one thing that makes me trust his intention's it's everything.
People alway's say people like Ron Wyatt is a scam artist for taking money but he didn't get that much look at the way he lived I mean come on people never question all these other archaeologist when they find something even when there proven wrong they don't get beat down and called names and they get hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes millions.
+panda bear get on Google earth and look foe Egypt and Saudi Arabia now find newaba beach in Egypt now got straight east you will find mount jabal so then look for burnt mountain top all around that area all the way back to giza is the story of exodus there are tons pictures just read exodus and look in that area it's perfect.
+panda bear sorry for spelling errors
Ron wyatt is the name you mis spelt.
54 possible to let go of the guilt after we leave so now I obviously I didn't understand really the guilt of what so that's exactly what I asked them and they said sure I'll explain the guilt maybe feelings of fear some of us experience after we leave even though in our hearts we know that it's wrong in terms of the organization it's teaching yes that's why we left yes bc we were ingraine for so long of how we were sinners now that we've left the threat of Armageddon was so ingrained in us since birth sometimes I feel it's very hard to loosen that grip and feel at peace with my choice so how can you reassure someone that their choice to leave the organization was correct and that these fears of being a sinner and Armageddon are irrational I don't know I think we're I think human beings are are a rational by by Nature I think I've spoke to you before it's this this sense of almost impending doom and I don't know if it's bc of you know kind of you know it's what sells Life After Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses | The Truth Hurts Podcast Ep.1
The Jehovah's Witness Matrix
your own mind Harrison Cother
bv14 john 18:37"You are a king, then!" said Pilate.
Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason
I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
SLIDES BIOLA!! pick up the slack!!
the slides!!!!! soooo frustrating! we miss ALL of the fun!
Having listened all through he seriously oversimplifies the sceptics view to make them seem totally unreasonable. Why would the Jewish scribes want to fake their own history? But, on the other hand, finding artefacts that verify the babylonian captivity does not mean that the crossing of the Red Sea was therefore strictly miraculous . Storytellers down the ages can soon turn a natural event into supernatural one long before anyone thought to write it down.
Historical accounts are plausible in themselves. But you can go down the wrong rabbit hole if you make certain assumptions. Even if the whole of Judaic History were factual, none of that would validate any of the supernatural claims explicitly stated in the Bible.
@@kevinh5349 THIS IS WHY WE WON'T STFU! And this is why we do not respect you. ua-cam.com/video/3G7ZBVS6380/v-deo.html
@@kevinh5349 You STFU!!!! ua-cam.com/video/r_5yUXjXizQ/v-deo.html
Looks like archeology was first invented to discount the Biblical narrative?
Finding the manuscript for Isaiah in the DSC doesn't verify *ANY* of the content since it's dated to 150 - 200 BC. All it does is show the later copies are accurate.
.....a massive fail. lol
Jesus is Lord. You know it deep down.
It’s similar with many other secular finds which no one doubts.
Why those which support the Bible should be trashed?
Just because they support the Bible?
No document, regardless of how much it is respected, is assumed to be correct if there is uncertainty involved. Not even something like the Icelandic sagas are accepted as truth, and they have a far more reliable pedigree than the bible. Why should the bible just be assumed to be true??? This is what is messed up about some people’s Christian thinking.
This man should be an apologist. Lol he is trying hard and doing everything he can to be intellectually honest. this is how Christians rationalize anything, with men like this who are honest... but not not truthful.
noahs ark?
faith is to believe in something that has no proof. people want proof if Jesus was alive or if he was risen...well those people will never get their answer . something to be proofed is called science .....those are 2 totally opposite things that never can come closer.
Do you not agree that it is important to verify if the claims of believers represent something that exists in reality, as opposed to something that exists in their heads?
If the author of Harry Potter did enough of her research, you could investigate its claims archaeologically.
YOU MINIMALIST?
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I know this claim. And it's stupid as dogwater
It's too bad we can't see what's so funny during his lecture.
Did the camera operator set up everything and then duck out for the rest of the lecture? Oh! Unthinking people, do you not know that we, as well, would benefit from the visuals as much as did the attendees? All of you are feckless! This does not look good for the Bible Institute of Los Angeles.
You forgot to mention the most important part about archaeology.
Scientifically removing & recording everything in sequence.
@@WilbertLek *yawn* are you not bored of attacking people's beliefs yet?
The chariot wheel was not a hoax I saw the video.
Think of the impact of Pinocchio on Jordan Peterson. But it is only what it is.
No miracles? Im here because of a miracle. Don't discount miracles just because you haven't experienced them. I have and I'm here just to say that.
@@WilbertLek not personal, shared. You shouldnt presume you talk for others experiences.
@@WilbertLek it was my wife and I. Guess what,?we talk. Guess what else. We had a shared miracle. Shhhh. Pass it on
@@WilbertLek the irony is that u think y mind is open and that mine is closed
YES! We want miracles! No miracles, no believe.
How are you here and by what ‘miracle’?
Might be good to give YOUR definition of what a miracle is in your response.
Here's my question that no atheist or judeochristian has been able to answer. Passover has been a Jewish tradition for at least 2000 years. The song of the sea has to be 3000 years old minimum. It's basically a fight rally/diss song. It speaks of a tradition where Moses led the jews out of Egypt and buried the Pharoah. Why isn't there a rebuttal from egypt? Why has no Pharoah mentioned this tradition? Why haven't I heard of one papyrus saying "those Israelites, they are rubbing in their victory and we'll get them" or "those Israelites, what a bunch of liars." I mean, the lack of response could imply the tradition is true and it could imply the tradition is false. Hindu, Muslim, jew, Christian, atheists--we are some shit talking mofos. Yet, no one in Egypt clapped back. It's ancient times so word traveled slowly but the levant ans Egypt are neighbors. There was a Jewish temple in elphatine Island in Egypt. The Egyptians understood their own history.
I personally think the tradition has some basis in fact. There were semite slaves in Egypt and I assume a lot left.
Because loser wrote their own history.
@@DaneilT why wont you dare to go further.
Interesting but-yikes, this gentleman may want to get up to speed on many other Biblical discoveries, e.g., he seems to know nothing about the Red Sea crossing at Nuweiba beach on the Gulf of Aqaba. I suspect he’s just too influenced by the dim halls of secular Academia.
Without being able to see what everyone else does this video is useless.
Very boring. Why do men have the audacity to think God could or not create miracles.
It is plausible to know a figure like Abraham Lincoln actually existed. But that has no bearing on 'Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Slayer,' as far as being something to take seriously Historically. Such is the Bible. Just think of Noah's Ark alone, you got an absurdity by definition.
The Book of Thomas just isn't credible compared to the Canon. Or is it? Wouldn't take neither at face value.
Satan is at work, don't you get it?people here are so carnal, they see everything with natural eyes. Everything that promoting saving souls, would encounter hindrances. I am talking from experience.
Bloom doesn't get it. The miracles performed by the pagan gods and told of in the pagan literature totally outdo the biblical miracles. Why believe the one and not the other? There is history in the bible but it's found mostly between the lines. Egyptology and Palestinian archeology have reached a consensus: ancient Israel was never in Egypt so no Ten Plagues; no Exodus; no Wanderings and no Conquest. David and Solomon may have existed but if they did they ruled villages, not a kingdom. The bible authors sometimes used the names of real people and places but as propaganda props. According to the bible Abraham (~2,000 BCE) came from "Ur of the Chaldees." Who were the Chaldees? The Chaldeans. But they did not rise as a tribe until over 1,000 years after the time of the Abraham character and didn't control Ur until centuries later. It's only wise to consider biblical stories to be maybe true - maybe false until corroborated by outside evidence. The real attitude of minimalists isn't to prove the bible wrong but just to not assume it's all historical until proved. Miracle stories just detract from trustworthiness. That goes for the New Testament too. The N.T. contains many contradictions. True scholars believe neither account until evidence favors one or the other. Bloom's attitude seems to be "believe both." Just because a person from the bible is confirmed to exist doesn't mean the stories are true. Yes, there was an Abraham Lincoln. Does that make "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" historical? Only peripherally.
I did not appreciate the article he wrote in "The Apologetics Study Bible." He equates modern circumcision to Jewish circumcision and gives outdated medical data on it's benefits. He may be an intelligent man, but not on this subject.
Absence of evidence does sometimes prove that things claimed to have happened actually didn't
Depending on what where when .
Typical American archaeologist ...I use the term archaeologist lightly .
@@WilbertLek I agree with you about absence of evidence ,
Especially when people claim or believe something happened somewhere.
And if true would leave loads of evidence behind.
But , it depends on what people claim happened.
Likd if some man walked across a field and claimed a burning bush spoke to him, it's very unlikely that any evidence would exist.
But something like Caesar saying 12000 men destroyed a settlement of a massive Celtic tribe and nothing is found
No evidence of burning, no signs of attack, or signs of the settlement preparing for defence, nothing at all, no usual losses, snapped buckles, dropped coins etc , nothing, when 12000 men have stomped around and built camps
Yet no archaeology exists, then absence of evidence is evidence that nothing happened ,
No matter what Caesar ( or whoever) wrote it, claimed .
Absence of evidence = no evidence whatsoever