There is no internal propulsions in Eros or external that it could have used. The asteroid was slowly spun up to its spin rate over a long period of time , once it was set spinning the "tug boats" were retasked to another asteroid as they are incredibly expensive .Once the station started spinning its massive inertia kept it spinning like everything else in space , there simply was no external force that would slow it down.
The ships recognise each other by matching the silhouette of the ship to a known ship database , things like colour paint and different panelling wont make a difference. The distances are so vast that's all most ships instruments can make out , they disguised themselves by trying to alter the silhouette by adding additional pieces , projected a new transponder signal and alter the efficiency of their drive to make it seem worse [Martian stuff burns super cleans] and if a ship is moving towards or away from you you can basically always see at least part of the drive plume.
They also use the drive's "signatures", if I recall correctly; as I understand it each drive will have its own quirks and inefficiencies due to its particular design and maintenance history, which will affect the characteristics of its plume, giving slightly different spectrographic readings and whatnot, which can be used as a fingerprint of sorts...
27:44 Rick, it would still have taken time, weeks if not months, for Eros to get to the sun. Plenty of time for people go to Eros before it's too late.
In the book the Mormons fought harder to keep their ship (non violently). They refused to leave the ship and they had to gas them and carry them out. The Mormons took Fred Johnson to court, but had no chance. The Earth Courts ordered Fred Johnson to give the Mormons their ship back, but had no way of actually enforcing the ruling. The Belter Courts (or at least their equivalent) just threw the case out.
The statue on top is the angel Moroni, who guided Joseph Smith to the golden plates that contained the Book of Mormon. Moroni's statue is placed atop every Mormon temple. And yeah, space is really really really huge. Your odds of hitting anything anything important in a human lifespan are like winning the lottery jackpot twice. The Nauvoo wasn't aimed at the sun, it was aimed at an angle to deflect Eros into the sun, (this impact would have vaporized much of the Nauvoo). When you hit something it changes its direction to the sum of the kinetic energy of both objects, so you always have to hit something at a different angle from the way you want it to go. Since the Nauvoo missed Eros, it's now heading off randomly to nowhere in particular, and most likely would not hit anything larger than a golf ball for millions of years. It's actually a terrible plan but it was the only way they could arrange for that much energy on short notice. If they had months of planning they could just attach a ton of smaller Epstein drives (or even the Nauvoo's drives -- by far the largest ever built) to Eros and steer it into the sun, but they needed it gone *NOW*.
I just can't wait to see your reaction to S2 E5. No spoilers, but I think it may be one of the most amazing hours of Science Fiction I have ever watched.
Avasarala gained some political armor after being the star of the cabinet in saving Earth. We saw that French Marasmus doctor back in the first episode of the season. While Miller and Holden were getting their cancer meds, that doctor was on a news broadcast in the background urging a medical mission to Eros.
You need a map of the Solar system, and knowledge of the sizes of the main bodies in it, and the distance between them, it's gonna make your discussions more well informed. for people who know every single detail about Star War's galaxy, this should be easy for you.
The doctor was interviewed on a news clip in the first episode this season (I think) so he is very much a Doctor without Borders. Basically what we have here is Holden who used to be "holier than thou" killing an older version of himself. On another note, the Mormons might want to insure the Navoo, I doubt any insurance company is going to take on that. It would be karmically funny if a Mao-Kwikowsky insurance subsidiary did :D
the Naovoo thing its an ongoing issue in the books with the Mormons wanting to sue Tycho and Fred for it... spoilers: . . . .tought i would asume they calmed down a lot after the gates opened
Hahaha, I can only imagine what it'd be like to drive an ex-cop car, everyone else slowing down. For reference, the Roci is still the same shape, so it still has the same profile as a MCRN Corvette-class frigate, it's just got the new Beratnas Gas paintjob with the Rocinante emblem and name on it, as they ditched the gas tanks back in season 1. So glad you guys are enjoying the show, really can't wait for more, it only gets better and better from here.
Eros was spinning so it generated 0.3Gs.. so anything or anyone falling off from it wouldnt go fast enought so in 60 seconds would be at safe distance from a nuclear warhead.. even in space
The cool thing about the expanse battles is it really is closely related to submarine tactics. You id targets with a drive signature specific to a ship class, just like we do with noise and sonar now. Stealth is paramount and the battles are short and brutal because a single torpedo will sink a sub.
Even if the Nauvoo had hit Eros, it would still take a while for Eros to crash into the Sun. There would be a possibility for some random spacecraft in the area to zoom over and go poking around. They can't have anyone attempt to get near it. Plus...letting word get out at this point would cause riots all over the system. Controlling the way the information is released...something Holden has finally learned about.
its a nastier version of what went in the book.. In LW Holden just scares a Medical ship away and its UNN Escort (a Corvette) before they get to Eros... the Corvette later returns and chases Eros alongside the Rocinante when all hell breaks lose
Eros is like 17km in diameter and weighs in at 6.687 X 10^15 kg. That's estimated to be around the same size as the dinosaur killer. Depending on relative speed with the space station, I don't expect the station to survive in any way.
One thing I miss from the books is the explicit knowledge of how LONG it takes to get anywhere. It took two weeks for the Knight to get to the Donnager. It took Miller ten days of like, 5-6g burn stuck in a crash couch to get from Tycho to Eros. Space is BIG, y'all.
I think part of the reason why they included less of that detail in the show is that the books actually consistently over-estimate how long the journey times would take by approximately a factor of 10; having engines which can constantly burn at even just 0.3G allows you to reach some insane speeds in a fairly short time and to travel the solar system relatively quickly. There's one scene in one of the books though where they under-estimated the journey time; also by approximately a factor of 10. Journey times in the books are not consistent and never accurate 😂
With the destruction of the "medical" ship, they aren't just worried about information getting out, they're worried about the Protomolecule being transmitted, either accidentally or intentionally. The whole point of the mission is to destroy every trace of it. Letting it get out defeats the point of kicking Eros into the sun.
I'm not sure about Eros but Ceres for example has gravity because they spun the inside of the heavenly body and made the "centrifugal" force the gravity.
If Eros had moved using some kind of thrusters Miller would have felt the acceleration... whatever the protomolecule is using to move it is ignoring the known laws of physics.
I have a theory that it is an Alcubierre Drive. This is a currently hypothetical means of space travel which would move a ship by 'bending' space around the ship. Interestingly if possible it could potentially allow for faster than light space travel. It will likely turn out to be impossible, but it also doesn't break any of the laws of physics as we currently understand them, which makes it a perfect piece of tech to give to a fictional highly advanced alien species within a hard sci-fi story. This would explain how it moves Eros without any visible external propulsion system, and why Miller doesn't feel any acceleration
@@robertwinslade3104 @Robert Winslade An Alcubierre drive would work, yes, but it wouldn't explain why it's moving so (relatively) slow, since it could (in theory) go arbitrarily fast, even, as you said, faster than light... *[FUTURE SEASONS SPOILERS BELOW]* ... also, if whoever made the protomolecule had warp drives, why would they need the gate network, and how could Phoebe have been captured by Saturn (since a warp drive could easily escape from even a black hole)..?
@@mbpoblet Spoilers below... As I understand it (I'm by no means an expert though) the speed an Alcubierre drive could reach would still be limited by the amount of negative energy it can produce to power the drive (and generating negative energy appears to be extremely difficult), so even if it is possible to build one, there is no guarantee that it could be powerful enough to bypass the speed of light. And even if it is possible to bypass the SOL, considering the vast distances it would have to travel to get to other stars, it could still take decades, centuries, or even millennia to reach it's destination. This is impractical for maintaining an interstellar civilization, hence the need for a form of instantaneous interstellar travel as well; but that can only be built by first sending an Alcubierre drive propelled probe carrying Protomolecule to the target system. As for why it got trapped by Saturn, I imagine it was being piloted by something which was probably killed or destroyed by the Unknown Aggressors during the Protomolecule's journey to Earth. This probably crippled it's ability to navigate, pilot itself, and use it's Alcubierre Drive until it hijacked Julie Mao's body to use as a replacement pilot
Before Tycho Station was in the shipbuilding business it’s job was to spin up asteroids just like Eros. The station slowly went around the solar system and did that for most inhabited small bodies in the system.
They spun Eros (and ceres) to give a feel of gravity with centrifugal force, that can be done fairly easy compared do actually moving an asteroid the size of eros (8.42km radius). You guys are right the amount of power to needed to instantly move it like that is insane, something not possible to produce even with the technology of the expanse, best you can do is accelerate it gradually. Just for fun I crunched the numbers, if an asteroid the size of Eros would hit earth. The mass of Eros is 6.687e+15 kg (6.687×10^15 kg). Typical impact velocity of asteroids is 18 km per second. This gives the kinetic energy at impact of 1.08329e+24 joules of energy. Just to compare, a 1 megaton nuke has energy of 4.18e+15 joules. This will make the impact equal to a nuke of about 259 MILLION megatons, not to mention the environmental impact of all the dust that will be shot into the atmosphere, blocking sunlight.
Spinning up Eros is still a monumental task. To get Eros or Ceres to spin fast enough to simulate 1/3g, they'd be spinning faster than their own gravity can hold themselves together. The asteroids had to be reinforced to keep them from flying apart.
@@Reedstilt true, but compared it is much easier to spin up an asteroid than moving it, and moving it the way it did to avoid the Navoo is not really possible, but most of us know why it moved like it did in the show 😛
I'm probably wrong but wouldn't spin gravity push one to the outside, not inward? So you could be inside a sphere but standing on the outside would launch you off of it right? Are they inside Eros or on the surface?
@@ablasttv that is correct. The stations are built with them living on the inside of the asteroids, their up is towards the center of the asteroids, and down towards the surface.
They did the Mormons a favour. Realistically, they set off on their 100-year journey, and the people they left behind will meet them there. Because what is the height of technology when they set off will be obsolete within maybe 20 or 30 years. And say within 60 years there is a technological innovation that would allow them to get to their new star much more quickly... So the Mormons' great-grandchildren finally arrive at their new planetary system only to find that there are already 65 Starbucks locations set up on it.
My calculations suggest the inside of a wheel that is mounted on Eros would have a force of 0.0000937 g. So people should be floating unless someone altered this rotation.
I recommend you (and all space fans) check out a website - if the moon were only 1 pixel - it gives you a sense of the scale of the solar system, and it’s f****** beautifully amazing!
Tycho station (this was its original purpose, and why it is capable of moving independently, albeit slowly) spun up the major asteroids to one third of a standard gravity (roughly equivalent to Martian gravity) on the inside. The asteroids are inhabited inside, and the higher you go/closer to the center, the worse the corialis effect and the lower the gravity gets. One thing the show doesn't do, because it would be extremely uncomfortable and insanely expensive is show any gravity greater than 0 gee but less than 1 gee. In the books though, most of the time the Rocinante is accelerating sufficient to produce about one third of a gee, since that's the comfortable gravity for belters and martians, and it's not like it's uncomfortable for Earthers to suddenly weigh one third of what they normally would . And they've got their injections to keep up bone density and muscle mass, so your body doesn't deteriorate like it would under normal circumstances at low gee.
You can reasonably move in low G like on earth as long as you dont try to run or move fast arround... they tried to sim that in the moon scenes.. Ganimede and Io should be the same.. Eros and Ceres actually have twice the gravity as those
The Nauvoo was travelling so stupidly fast [Several hundred metres if not kilometres per second] in order to move the 700 trillion kilograms of mass that Eros station contains. This was to alter its trajectory to slow it down along its standard orbit line just enough to deorbit or "fall" into the sun. The ship would hit so hard it would literally be atomised, nothing would be left. Think of how bugs explode when they hit your windshield but like 12 orders of magnitude. The station would take years to deorbit into the sun ,the bombs and the impact would impart so much kinetic energy that the a few dozen metres of surface regolith. This would be so hot that it would completely liquify and slowly cool into a new surface with no ingress points deeper into the station.
Thoughts about The Matrix... ( 16:35 ) Although it might be one of the coolest films ever, the science of using people as batteries just doesn't add up... In fact, it's really, really dumb! A biological process consumes more energy than it puts out. If you took all the consumables required to keep a human alive and incinerated them in a controlled fashion, you would get more energy than passing it through a human. And there is no sci-fi tech proposed that can amend the laws of physics enough to change that fact. Indeed, any advancements that could contribute to making this happen would likely also help to make other methods of energy production continue to compete and still remain more efficient -- Tech doesn't advance in a vacuum, it tends to affect everything around it. But, admittedly, seeing Neo as part of a mega battery farm serves very well as a horror element! Quite visceral! As any scientist worth his degree will tell you, it would have been way, way more efficient for the machines to build power transmission tech and use satellites outside the cloud cover to harvest the sun's power. We're talking almost limitless power, with minimal maintenance once the system is in place. Even if they were using ships to physically carry batteries to and from orbit to be filled with solar power, it would still be more efficient than human coppertops ever could be. Sorry, but suspension of disbelief can only take you so far... If you remove the 'sci', all that is left is the 'fi', and that 'fi' ain't getting us anywhere, any time soon! ;-]
Late reply but the battery idea was apparently achange requested by the studio. Originally the machines were supposed to be using the human brains as part of a neural net, but the studio didn't have confidence that the 1999 audiences would understand.
Every week I wonder when they will stop calling Bobby Gunny. :D She wasn't in this episode and won't be until episode 6. So maybe then. So much fun hearing them speculate every week. They will have a lot of more fun with this show.
thats not the point.. Holden wanted to prevent people coming at eros to investigate the mysterious "Martian biological weapon" the doctor was going to report .. once Eros was out of reach in its way to the sun and imposible to land on it wouldnt matter
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For the love of all things holy, WHEN will y'all tackle Fringe????
There is no internal propulsions in Eros or external that it could have used. The asteroid was slowly spun up to its spin rate over a long period of time , once it was set spinning the "tug boats" were retasked to another asteroid as they are incredibly expensive .Once the station started spinning its massive inertia kept it spinning like everything else in space , there simply was no external force that would slow it down.
There is no slowing down now boyos, just action, action, action.
Can't stop the work!
I can't wait until they hit season 3 and it goes absolutely balls to the wall
@@BlackHawkBallistic Yeah season 3 is the best imo
@@BlackHawkBallistic those balls pierce through the wall on the second half of that season
The ships recognise each other by matching the silhouette of the ship to a known ship database , things like colour paint and different panelling wont make a difference. The distances are so vast that's all most ships instruments can make out , they disguised themselves by trying to alter the silhouette by adding additional pieces , projected a new transponder signal and alter the efficiency of their drive to make it seem worse [Martian stuff burns super cleans] and if a ship is moving towards or away from you you can basically always see at least part of the drive plume.
They also use the drive's "signatures", if I recall correctly; as I understand it each drive will have its own quirks and inefficiencies due to its particular design and maintenance history, which will affect the characteristics of its plume, giving slightly different spectrographic readings and whatnot, which can be used as a fingerprint of sorts...
27:44 Rick, it would still have taken time, weeks if not months, for Eros to get to the sun. Plenty of time for people go to Eros before it's too late.
A little over three months, yeah
In the book the Mormons fought harder to keep their ship (non violently). They refused to leave the ship and they had to gas them and carry them out. The Mormons took Fred Johnson to court, but had no chance. The Earth Courts ordered Fred Johnson to give the Mormons their ship back, but had no way of actually enforcing the ruling. The Belter Courts (or at least their equivalent) just threw the case out.
really. Wow. Nice
Yep. "It's either win in a court that does matter or lose in a court that does."
The statue on top is the angel Moroni, who guided Joseph Smith to the golden plates that contained the Book of Mormon. Moroni's statue is placed atop every Mormon temple.
And yeah, space is really really really huge. Your odds of hitting anything anything important in a human lifespan are like winning the lottery jackpot twice. The Nauvoo wasn't aimed at the sun, it was aimed at an angle to deflect Eros into the sun, (this impact would have vaporized much of the Nauvoo). When you hit something it changes its direction to the sum of the kinetic energy of both objects, so you always have to hit something at a different angle from the way you want it to go. Since the Nauvoo missed Eros, it's now heading off randomly to nowhere in particular, and most likely would not hit anything larger than a golf ball for millions of years.
It's actually a terrible plan but it was the only way they could arrange for that much energy on short notice. If they had months of planning they could just attach a ton of smaller Epstein drives (or even the Nauvoo's drives -- by far the largest ever built) to Eros and steer it into the sun, but they needed it gone *NOW*.
I just can't wait to see your reaction to S2 E5. No spoilers, but I think it may be one of the most amazing hours of Science Fiction I have ever watched.
It's great, but season 5 episode 4 is right up there with it too
Oh man this is gonna be a long wait until next week.
Avasarala gained some political armor after being the star of the cabinet in saving Earth.
We saw that French Marasmus doctor back in the first episode of the season. While Miller and Holden were getting their cancer meds, that doctor was on a news broadcast in the background urging a medical mission to Eros.
You need a map of the Solar system, and knowledge of the sizes of the main bodies in it, and the distance between them, it's gonna make your discussions more well informed. for people who know every single detail about Star War's galaxy, this should be easy for you.
especially since star wars is fictional and this is real
Alright, I cant wait a week for next episode... time to go from 5e patreon to 15e just for Home !
The doctor was interviewed on a news clip in the first episode this season (I think) so he is very much a Doctor without Borders. Basically what we have here is Holden who used to be "holier than thou" killing an older version of himself. On another note, the Mormons might want to insure the Navoo, I doubt any insurance company is going to take on that. It would be karmically funny if a Mao-Kwikowsky insurance subsidiary did :D
the Naovoo thing its an ongoing issue in the books with the Mormons wanting to sue Tycho and Fred for it... spoilers:
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.tought i would asume they calmed down a lot after the gates opened
@@sparrowlt That's a bit of a spoiler there at the end (but you're right. Fred cut them a deal after the third book).
@@sparrowlt spoilers mate, they arent that far yet by a long shot.
@@Reedstilt apologies... but its stuff years old allready..ill edit it tough
Hahaha, I can only imagine what it'd be like to drive an ex-cop car, everyone else slowing down. For reference, the Roci is still the same shape, so it still has the same profile as a MCRN Corvette-class frigate, it's just got the new Beratnas Gas paintjob with the Rocinante emblem and name on it, as they ditched the gas tanks back in season 1. So glad you guys are enjoying the show, really can't wait for more, it only gets better and better from here.
Expanse I believe is the most underrated series. I absolutely loved it! Waiting for next season.
Miles Dyson was played by Joe Morton in T2. We actually did see the doctors on the ship from before. There was a broadcast and saw them there.
"Stars are better off without us" 'Don't infect other systems.' -Eric
You're absolutely right, Eric
Miller cannot jump he has a minute to get clear of a nuclear blast, a minute is not going to be enough.
This is why you don't skip leg day
Eros was spinning so it generated 0.3Gs.. so anything or anyone falling off from it wouldnt go fast enought so in 60 seconds would be at safe distance from a nuclear warhead.. even in space
@@sparrowlt Eros was moving like a space ship at this time, no londer spinning.
@@thomasmain5986 It was definitely still spinning
@@thomasmain5986 its still spinning until it begins to move away.. they even say it the next ep
The cool thing about the expanse battles is it really is closely related to submarine tactics. You id targets with a drive signature specific to a ship class, just like we do with noise and sonar now. Stealth is paramount and the battles are short and brutal because a single torpedo will sink a sub.
Even if the Nauvoo had hit Eros, it would still take a while for Eros to crash into the Sun. There would be a possibility for some random spacecraft in the area to zoom over and go poking around. They can't have anyone attempt to get near it. Plus...letting word get out at this point would cause riots all over the system. Controlling the way the information is released...something Holden has finally learned about.
its a nastier version of what went in the book.. In LW Holden just scares a Medical ship away and its UNN Escort (a Corvette) before they get to Eros... the Corvette later returns and chases Eros alongside the Rocinante when all hell breaks lose
The power of what happens when the book authors also write the script for the tv show - deft control of themes and character growth
Eros is like 17km in diameter and weighs in at 6.687 X 10^15 kg. That's estimated to be around the same size as the dinosaur killer. Depending on relative speed with the space station, I don't expect the station to survive in any way.
17kms "radious".. Eros is 34kms long from end to end and 11kms wide ..
One thing I miss from the books is the explicit knowledge of how LONG it takes to get anywhere. It took two weeks for the Knight to get to the Donnager. It took Miller ten days of like, 5-6g burn stuck in a crash couch to get from Tycho to Eros. Space is BIG, y'all.
I think part of the reason why they included less of that detail in the show is that the books actually consistently over-estimate how long the journey times would take by approximately a factor of 10; having engines which can constantly burn at even just 0.3G allows you to reach some insane speeds in a fairly short time and to travel the solar system relatively quickly. There's one scene in one of the books though where they under-estimated the journey time; also by approximately a factor of 10. Journey times in the books are not consistent and never accurate 😂
@@robertwinslade3104 Fair enough lol. It did give the books a much different vibe, though, and it's a vibe that I miss.
With the destruction of the "medical" ship, they aren't just worried about information getting out, they're worried about the Protomolecule being transmitted, either accidentally or intentionally. The whole point of the mission is to destroy every trace of it. Letting it get out defeats the point of kicking Eros into the sun.
You guys are hitting nails right on the head on lots of things. Great analysis.
I'm not sure about Eros but Ceres for example has gravity because they spun the inside of the heavenly body and made the "centrifugal" force the gravity.
If Eros had moved using some kind of thrusters Miller would have felt the acceleration... whatever the protomolecule is using to move it is ignoring the known laws of physics.
I have a theory that it is an Alcubierre Drive. This is a currently hypothetical means of space travel which would move a ship by 'bending' space around the ship. Interestingly if possible it could potentially allow for faster than light space travel. It will likely turn out to be impossible, but it also doesn't break any of the laws of physics as we currently understand them, which makes it a perfect piece of tech to give to a fictional highly advanced alien species within a hard sci-fi story. This would explain how it moves Eros without any visible external propulsion system, and why Miller doesn't feel any acceleration
@@robertwinslade3104 @Robert Winslade An Alcubierre drive would work, yes, but it wouldn't explain why it's moving so (relatively) slow, since it could (in theory) go arbitrarily fast, even, as you said, faster than light... *[FUTURE SEASONS SPOILERS BELOW]*
... also, if whoever made the protomolecule had warp drives, why would they need the gate network, and how could Phoebe have been captured by Saturn (since a warp drive could easily escape from even a black hole)..?
@@mbpoblet Spoilers below...
As I understand it (I'm by no means an expert though) the speed an Alcubierre drive could reach would still be limited by the amount of negative energy it can produce to power the drive (and generating negative energy appears to be extremely difficult), so even if it is possible to build one, there is no guarantee that it could be powerful enough to bypass the speed of light. And even if it is possible to bypass the SOL, considering the vast distances it would have to travel to get to other stars, it could still take decades, centuries, or even millennia to reach it's destination. This is impractical for maintaining an interstellar civilization, hence the need for a form of instantaneous interstellar travel as well; but that can only be built by first sending an Alcubierre drive propelled probe carrying Protomolecule to the target system.
As for why it got trapped by Saturn, I imagine it was being piloted by something which was probably killed or destroyed by the Unknown Aggressors during the Protomolecule's journey to Earth. This probably crippled it's ability to navigate, pilot itself, and use it's Alcubierre Drive until it hijacked Julie Mao's body to use as a replacement pilot
Tycho's first contract was spinning up some of the asteroids, they used things like those tugs etc.
One more episode!! Been waiting for you guys to watch episode 5 of season 2
Before Tycho Station was in the shipbuilding business it’s job was to spin up asteroids just like Eros. The station slowly went around the solar system and did that for most inhabited small bodies in the system.
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Love the expanse reactions. I can't wait for next week. Home is one of my absolute favorite episodes in the whole series.
Honestly cannot wait for you guys to see the next episode...
Ugh, I can't wait for next week. This is almost torture, I gotta upgrade my patreon asap
My utility bag now holds chapstick, duct tape, and a stylus.
Oh boy here we go... the turning point
And that's the day Holden's idealism died.
"Every shitty thing we do its easier than the previous one isnt it?"
About time, i hated his stupid attitude.
They spun Eros (and ceres) to give a feel of gravity with centrifugal force, that can be done fairly easy compared do actually moving an asteroid the size of eros (8.42km radius).
You guys are right the amount of power to needed to instantly move it like that is insane, something not possible to produce even with the technology of the expanse, best you can do is accelerate it gradually.
Just for fun I crunched the numbers, if an asteroid the size of Eros would hit earth.
The mass of Eros is 6.687e+15 kg (6.687×10^15 kg).
Typical impact velocity of asteroids is 18 km per second.
This gives the kinetic energy at impact of 1.08329e+24 joules of energy.
Just to compare, a 1 megaton nuke has energy of 4.18e+15 joules.
This will make the impact equal to a nuke of about 259 MILLION megatons, not to mention the environmental impact of all the dust that will be shot into the atmosphere, blocking sunlight.
Spinning up Eros is still a monumental task. To get Eros or Ceres to spin fast enough to simulate 1/3g, they'd be spinning faster than their own gravity can hold themselves together. The asteroids had to be reinforced to keep them from flying apart.
@@Reedstilt true, but compared it is much easier to spin up an asteroid than moving it, and moving it the way it did to avoid the Navoo is not really possible, but most of us know why it moved like it did in the show 😛
I'm probably wrong but wouldn't spin gravity push one to the outside, not inward? So you could be inside a sphere but standing on the outside would launch you off of it right? Are they inside Eros or on the surface?
@@ablasttv that is correct.
The stations are built with them living on the inside of the asteroids, their up is towards the center of the asteroids, and down towards the surface.
@@cypherdk85 got it thanks for clarifying!
Those poor Mormons had their ark stolen for nothing.
It is hardly for nothing.
Not exactly...
...yet.
They did the Mormons a favour. Realistically, they set off on their 100-year journey, and the people they left behind will meet them there. Because what is the height of technology when they set off will be obsolete within maybe 20 or 30 years. And say within 60 years there is a technological innovation that would allow them to get to their new star much more quickly... So the Mormons' great-grandchildren finally arrive at their new planetary system only to find that there are already 65 Starbucks locations set up on it.
1:00 -- how long did I puzzle over why the UNN had a "petrol route"...
Too long.
My calculations suggest the inside of a wheel that is mounted on Eros would have a force of 0.0000937 g. So people should be floating unless someone altered this rotation.
What a great episode.
Well don't leave us hanging. I want to know that Lasagna story.
Damn.. I almost for got how epic that season was.
I recommend you (and all space fans) check out a website - if the moon were only 1 pixel - it gives you a sense of the scale of the solar system, and it’s f****** beautifully amazing!
4:15 "I wonder how much of this ship will survive" what's y'all opinion on the Ship of Theseus? The answer might depend lol
You guys are the best
Gird your grids next episode takes things to a higher level.
I love the hand jokes 😂
Tycho station (this was its original purpose, and why it is capable of moving independently, albeit slowly) spun up the major asteroids to one third of a standard gravity (roughly equivalent to Martian gravity) on the inside. The asteroids are inhabited inside, and the higher you go/closer to the center, the worse the corialis effect and the lower the gravity gets.
One thing the show doesn't do, because it would be extremely uncomfortable and insanely expensive is show any gravity greater than 0 gee but less than 1 gee. In the books though, most of the time the Rocinante is accelerating sufficient to produce about one third of a gee, since that's the comfortable gravity for belters and martians, and it's not like it's uncomfortable for Earthers to suddenly weigh one third of what they normally would .
And they've got their injections to keep up bone density and muscle mass, so your body doesn't deteriorate like it would under normal circumstances at low gee.
You can reasonably move in low G like on earth as long as you dont try to run or move fast arround... they tried to sim that in the moon scenes.. Ganimede and Io should be the same.. Eros and Ceres actually have twice the gravity as those
I always wondered if their crapping on the Mormons was a subtle swipe at BSG
"It could land on Mars."
"It could land on Earth."
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Excellent Roci pronunciation, Eric.
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Eros is about 16km in diameter. If it hit Earth it would be lights out for everybody.
Remember the cant.
The Nauvoo was travelling so stupidly fast [Several hundred metres if not kilometres per second] in order to move the 700 trillion kilograms of mass that Eros station contains. This was to alter its trajectory to slow it down along its standard orbit line just enough to deorbit or "fall" into the sun. The ship would hit so hard it would literally be atomised, nothing would be left.
Think of how bugs explode when they hit your windshield but like 12 orders of magnitude.
The station would take years to deorbit into the sun ,the bombs and the impact would impart so much kinetic energy that the a few dozen metres of surface regolith. This would be so hot that it would completely liquify and slowly cool into a new surface with no ingress points deeper into the station.
Thoughts about The Matrix... ( 16:35 )
Although it might be one of the coolest films ever, the science of using people as batteries just doesn't add up... In fact, it's really, really dumb!
A biological process consumes more energy than it puts out. If you took all the consumables required to keep a human alive and incinerated them in a controlled fashion, you would get more energy than passing it through a human. And there is no sci-fi tech proposed that can amend the laws of physics enough to change that fact. Indeed, any advancements that could contribute to making this happen would likely also help to make other methods of energy production continue to compete and still remain more efficient -- Tech doesn't advance in a vacuum, it tends to affect everything around it. But, admittedly, seeing Neo as part of a mega battery farm serves very well as a horror element! Quite visceral!
As any scientist worth his degree will tell you, it would have been way, way more efficient for the machines to build power transmission tech and use satellites outside the cloud cover to harvest the sun's power. We're talking almost limitless power, with minimal maintenance once the system is in place. Even if they were using ships to physically carry batteries to and from orbit to be filled with solar power, it would still be more efficient than human coppertops ever could be.
Sorry, but suspension of disbelief can only take you so far... If you remove the 'sci', all that is left is the 'fi', and that 'fi' ain't getting us anywhere, any time soon! ;-]
Late reply but the battery idea was apparently achange requested by the studio.
Originally the machines were supposed to be using the human brains as part of a neural net, but the studio didn't have confidence that the 1999 audiences would understand.
@@DKSean That's interesting, I had not read that. Cool. Thanks!
Nobody is on the Nauvoo.
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Every week I wonder when they will stop calling Bobby Gunny. :D She wasn't in this episode and won't be until episode 6. So maybe then. So much fun hearing them speculate every week. They will have a lot of more fun with this show.
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They won't. They have a schedule and too much shows to watch
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They killed that ship for no reason. The protomolecule became public knowledge :(
Yeh but if someone there was infected, it could have spread to other people and created a secound Eros, so I don't think it was for no reason.
thats not the point.. Holden wanted to prevent people coming at eros to investigate the mysterious "Martian biological weapon" the doctor was going to report .. once Eros was out of reach in its way to the sun and imposible to land on it wouldnt matter