Great to see more training shoes coming out with some useful outsole tread. When it comes to racing shoes, I understand why they pare it back and optimise it strictly for pavement, but it's so frustrating to see training shoes hobbled by pointlessly slick soles.
last summer, I did a bit of mountain trail running in the original Deviate, and i while not a trail shoe replacement, it was fun. The carbon plate is a pretty good rock plate, the grip is ok etc. It is just too unstable to push downhill in rocky terrain. I would actually not mind using it for an uphill trail race.
Thanks for the review Nick. I used the v1 a lot, now have v2 - all round a better trainer. The change in ride I found is no lack of bounce (plenty of that!) but v2 misses that late snap off the toe that was so much fun in the v1. Maybe the softer foam up front muting the plate. Still love the new version though!
How on earth did Puma get it so right with just 2 versions which Nike could not in 39 versions? Good luck to the lead designer of the Peg 40. Good days for us runners.
You're comparing two different types of shoes though. They are both made for different purposes and are at two different price ranges. Simply said, this has a carbon based plate whereas the Pegasus 39 doesn't
@@ryanmohan3041 I get where you are coming from. But it's so clear where Puma is getting their inspiration from. And they are doing a heck of a job building it up from there.
@@andrew-ng I get you. Like it seems on paper that it was not built as an all rounder but following what Nick said about it, it seems to just be an all rounded shoe with a bonus carbon based plate as a plus.
@@ryanmohan3041 They are made for the same purpose. Puma clearly sees it as a daily trainer (there a videos out there where the rep says so) it just happens to have a plate.
I think it’s BECAUSE Nike has 39 iterations. Puma has learned and designed a really terrific shoe by standing on the shoulder of Nike’s R&D. I much prefer the Velocity to the Pegasus. But don’t kid yourself, Puma’s (and many other running shoe companies) success is due to derivative technology developed by the big swoosh. But that’s good for us runners!
Great vid from my fav Run Tester! I love the v1’s bounce and still rockin them for my daily runs. Not sure about the v2 now that they updated the mid-sole with the elite foam.
It’s alright much improved over the 1st version. Slightly narrow fit, tbh I think it’s simply like a higher stacked more cushioned version of the velocity 2. Agree with you about the ride, I was expecting more responsive midsole but still a solid training shoe
The Deviate Nitro V1 is one of my favorite running shoes I've ever had. It's not the best but to use Fordy's words, it's like putting on an old friend that never disappoints. I've never had the heel issue, but I'm hoping the tongue is a bit thicker because sometimes in a long run I do start to feel the laces start to apply pressure on my feet.
Much bouncier than the speed 2 in my testing and of course the grip isn't comparable :) I've run downhill on snow and ice (!) in it and it has gripped well. Just ordered the WTR version for winter use.
They don't need to reduce the tread to make it lighter because even if they did I would not consider it to race on the road (use a full super shoe). I want it for - all terrain - racing & training so the more durable the better.
Could you compare the sizing to the Velocity Nitro 2 and the Deviate Nitro Elite? In the Velocity Nitro 2 I’m true to size but in the Deviate Nitro Elite I had to size up a half size. Does it run closer to the Velocity 2 or Elite in terms of sizing?
I think the cat had smells something bad...Joke yeah ? Already research about this shoe and its review is so very good that id like to buy one this year. Thanks for sharing your personal inputs on this shoe. 👍
Thanks for the video. I'm looking for some advice. I've been running on the cumulus 24 as my daily trainer. I use that for distances from 10k to 15k, usually at easyto medium paces. I'm looking for a 2nd pair in my rotation with a bit more responsive ride as a daily trainer. Am heavily contemplating the deviate nitro 2. Went to test it out and it feels good but one concern that I had was that I felt my feet tilting a little inward as i land as compared to the usual flat landing that i feel with my cumulus 24. Is that feeling normal for this shoe and is it okay? A 2nd alternative im looking at is the forever run nitro.
What's the difference in performance between Nitro Elite and Deviate Nitro 2? The DN2 are more bouncy? Do they have the same energy return and "push'" as the Elite?
This sounds like it could be my new daily trainer so supplement the speed and triumph. I also run lots of firm gravel How would you see it vs. the Pegs 39, Saucony Ride, Asics Novablas 3 TR or other obvious? Maybe you can make a video about daily trainers with 'complete' outsoles for both use on road, firm gravel and firm soil tracks? - Like the perfect cross over
I prefer it to the Peg 39 and Ride 15 myself, like the feel of Puma's foams more and it has a better outsole than the Ride 15 for sure. Peg 39 is maybe comfier for long runs but less snappy. I'll try and get some comparison vids up soon for sure!
I love the grip of the velocity v1 and v2 but the v2 soaks up moisture like crazy, I went for a 40minute run on wet asphalt (didn't rain during the run) and the whole shoe was soaking wet, completely, I only stepped once in a small puddle, I was shocked how wet the shoe got. Is this upper soaking up moisture the same way the velocity v2 does ? I never ran in a better gripping shoe than the velocity 1/2 so I'd love to have this together with my endorphin speed 2 (which has average/poor grip) in a rotation.
The stiff forefoot has caused metatarsal pain at easy paces. This could be as its a bit too narrow. A real shame. I loved the first 100 miles, was preferring it to Speed 3 but its crippling my right foot now so will have to retire.
Maybe it's just me but these Carbon plated trainers seem pointless anymore. If I'm wanting to do a fast training session, than I'm grabbing a supershoe like the vaporfly, adios pro, Alphafly, etc. Especially now since durability is better than it was a few years ago.
Great to see more training shoes coming out with some useful outsole tread. When it comes to racing shoes, I understand why they pare it back and optimise it strictly for pavement, but it's so frustrating to see training shoes hobbled by pointlessly slick soles.
You’ve got such a nice vibe man, real talent for presenting.
Thanks very much that's really nice of you!
After watching a lot of shoe reviews this past month, a novablast 3 with puma grip outsole would be a winner this year. 😁
The Novablast 3 TR is that winner
Thankfully I never had any issues with the heel in the first version, it’s still very good at 250km so probably don’t need to upgrade just yet
last summer, I did a bit of mountain trail running in the original Deviate, and i while not a trail shoe replacement, it was fun. The carbon plate is a pretty good rock plate, the grip is ok etc. It is just too unstable to push downhill in rocky terrain. I would actually not mind using it for an uphill trail race.
Have been waiting for this review.
Thanks guys. 🙏🏻
Thanks for the review Nick. I used the v1 a lot, now have v2 - all round a better trainer. The change in ride I found is no lack of bounce (plenty of that!) but v2 misses that late snap off the toe that was so much fun in the v1. Maybe the softer foam up front muting the plate. Still love the new version though!
Is it good shoe for my first marathon?
Some shoes I like right off the bat, some are sleepers. Thanks for the review Nick!
How on earth did Puma get it so right with just 2 versions which Nike could not in 39 versions? Good luck to the lead designer of the Peg 40. Good days for us runners.
You're comparing two different types of shoes though.
They are both made for different purposes and are at two different price ranges.
Simply said, this has a carbon based plate whereas the Pegasus 39 doesn't
@@ryanmohan3041 I get where you are coming from. But it's so clear where Puma is getting their inspiration from. And they are doing a heck of a job building it up from there.
@@andrew-ng I get you. Like it seems on paper that it was not built as an all rounder but following what Nick said about it, it seems to just be an all rounded shoe with a bonus carbon based plate as a plus.
@@ryanmohan3041 They are made for the same purpose. Puma clearly sees it as a daily trainer (there a videos out there where the rep says so) it just happens to have a plate.
I think it’s BECAUSE Nike has 39 iterations. Puma has learned and designed a really terrific shoe by standing on the shoulder of Nike’s R&D.
I much prefer the Velocity to the Pegasus. But don’t kid yourself, Puma’s (and many other running shoe companies) success is due to derivative technology developed by the big swoosh.
But that’s good for us runners!
Great vid from my fav Run Tester! I love the v1’s bounce and still rockin them for my daily runs. Not sure about the v2 now that they updated the mid-sole with the elite foam.
It’s alright much improved over the 1st version.
Slightly narrow fit, tbh I think it’s simply like a higher stacked more cushioned version of the velocity 2.
Agree with you about the ride, I was expecting more responsive midsole but still a solid training shoe
Thanks for the review.
Was interested in these. Thanks for the review, Nick. From a fellow Orion! 👊🏼
Hey Andy 👋!
Never get rid of the cats from the videos.
Haha, Taz loves interrupting shoe cutaways when it's near her mealtime
@@TheRunTesters makes me miss my cat.
The Deviate Nitro V1 is one of my favorite running shoes I've ever had. It's not the best but to use Fordy's words, it's like putting on an old friend that never disappoints.
I've never had the heel issue, but I'm hoping the tongue is a bit thicker because sometimes in a long run I do start to feel the laces start to apply pressure on my feet.
Much bouncier than the speed 2 in my testing and of course the grip isn't comparable :) I've run downhill on snow and ice (!) in it and it has gripped well. Just ordered the WTR version for winter use.
They don't need to reduce the tread to make it lighter because even if they did I would not consider it to race on the road (use a full super shoe). I want it for - all terrain - racing & training so the more durable the better.
Could you compare the sizing to the Velocity Nitro 2 and the Deviate Nitro Elite? In the Velocity Nitro 2 I’m true to size but in the Deviate Nitro Elite I had to size up a half size. Does it run closer to the Velocity 2 or Elite in terms of sizing?
Is this shoe good for heavy runners? Or should I get Asics gel nimbus 25?
I think the cat had smells something bad...Joke yeah ? Already research about this shoe and its review is so very good that id like to buy one this year. Thanks for sharing your personal inputs on this shoe. 👍
Thanks for the video. I'm looking for some advice. I've been running on the cumulus 24 as my daily trainer. I use that for distances from 10k to 15k, usually at easyto medium paces. I'm looking for a 2nd pair in my rotation with a bit more responsive ride as a daily trainer. Am heavily contemplating the deviate nitro 2. Went to test it out and it feels good but one concern that I had was that I felt my feet tilting a little inward as i land as compared to the usual flat landing that i feel with my cumulus 24. Is that feeling normal for this shoe and is it okay? A 2nd alternative im looking at is the forever run nitro.
Good afternoon. A single question : I usually wear 10 USA in Pegasus and saucony ride 15. Should I wear the same size in deviate nitro 2? Thanks
Talking of Puma Grip and Trail, do you know anything about the Fast-Trac Nitro that’s appeared on the Puma website?
Not one we’ve tested yet, but it looks good!
What's the difference in performance between Nitro Elite and Deviate Nitro 2? The DN2 are more bouncy? Do they have the same energy return and "push'" as the Elite?
Nice review how ist the sizing ? should i go 0,5 size bigger or the normal size ?
How this compare to brooks hyperion max? Plan to get a shoes for speed workout and can handle long run
This shoe doesn’t feel great at first I think becauof the outsole. After some break in it feels way better
This sounds like it could be my new daily trainer so supplement the speed and triumph. I also run lots of firm gravel
How would you see it vs. the Pegs 39, Saucony Ride, Asics Novablas 3 TR or other obvious?
Maybe you can make a video about daily trainers with 'complete' outsoles for both use on road, firm gravel and firm soil tracks? - Like the perfect cross over
I prefer it to the Peg 39 and Ride 15 myself, like the feel of Puma's foams more and it has a better outsole than the Ride 15 for sure. Peg 39 is maybe comfier for long runs but less snappy. I'll try and get some comparison vids up soon for sure!
Would one go for the Deviate Nitro instead of the Velocity Nitro?
How does this compare to the Velocity Nitro 2? Your description seems to lean more towards that shoe than the Endorphin Speed 3.
It has more snap, actually feels little firmer to me. I’m planning a vid on that comparison soon :)
Is it wide foot friendly or do I need to go half a size up?
I love the grip of the velocity v1 and v2 but the v2 soaks up moisture like crazy, I went for a 40minute run on wet asphalt (didn't rain during the run) and the whole shoe was soaking wet, completely, I only stepped once in a small puddle, I was shocked how wet the shoe got. Is this upper soaking up moisture the same way the velocity v2 does ? I never ran in a better gripping shoe than the velocity 1/2 so I'd love to have this together with my endorphin speed 2 (which has average/poor grip) in a rotation.
There's a wtr water resistant version in black
how’s the fit compared to the speed 3? will greatly appreciate an answer! thanks!
I'm (Nick) the same size in both shoes, the Deviate Nitro 2 is a little narrower than the Speed 2, which I appreciate as I have a narrow foot.
no 11.5? same in Nitro 2 hard to find half sizes above 11.
Nick you fell in love with a black pair of Endorphin Speed 1 lol
Would you recommend this over the Puma Velocity Nitro 2? Any plan in the works for a comparison vid?
Hey! Vid here: ua-cam.com/video/ZPRr6NrJQ7Y/v-deo.html
@@TheRunTesters awesome thank you! 😊
dual layer mesh upper? or mono layer? >
Now, the trainer's standard seems to have developed from 300g to 250g. Additionally to the plate.
The stiff forefoot has caused metatarsal pain at easy paces. This could be as its a bit too narrow. A real shame. I loved the first 100 miles, was preferring it to Speed 3 but its crippling my right foot now so will have to retire.
They do a wide fit version, which made a big difference to me
So back to the Speed 3 then?
Maybe it's just me but these Carbon plated trainers seem pointless anymore. If I'm wanting to do a fast training session, than I'm grabbing a supershoe like the vaporfly, adios pro, Alphafly, etc. Especially now since durability is better than it was a few years ago.
Def a factor these days, we all have old super shoes to use for sessions too. But this is a bit more versatile than just a fast trainer
Foam is so old so1980
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Nonexciting ride, heavy, no return energy, for 160 dollars. Eeee!!