Foley is Pod #23: The Montreal Screwjob
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Approaching the 25-year anniversary of Survivor Series 1997, aka the Montreal Screwjob, Mick and Conrad examine the event from Mick's perspective, including his initial plans to the leave the company in Bret's defense and what ultimately changed his mind. Other topics include building Kane, the art of taking a chokeslam, the Iron Sheik, Sgt. Slaughter, more Owen Hart stories, and much more!
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Foley is one of the best storytellers. He puts you right there in the middle of it all.
That match between Kane and Mankind was awesome. Foley was bumping like a madman
Mick is still giving everything to the business....a legend.
Can't even lie I catch myself waiting every week and looking forward to the Foley is pod podcast. So thank you for that.
it's nice that the hardcore legend took a few minutes out of his busy schedule to send out a pick-me-up cameo to The Rock, a guy getting a little attention here and there in a little-known college film class final project called Black Adam. Always giving back...
Indeed+
I seriously can express how much i am enjoying this podcast.
I know its been said before but Mick is such a likeable guy and its so much fun listening to his stories.
Foley IS Pod!
05:46 Awesome, Mick Foley is a fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Love that show.
What Foley said towards the end about there being a wrestling performers union was spot on. The secondary effects from it would slowly destroy the business. This is why Foley will remain one of my favorites: He sees the pitfalls of his ideals. We need more dudes like him around.
I love how he described the pros and cons of having a union and how it’s not as simple as some online try to make it out to be
The thing is that's a line Bischoff sold to Mick and a line Mick appears to believe. But its not strictly true. Its more or less how SAG AFTRA works but if the wrestlers make a union they can make rules for that union. Lots of places have unions but also have non union workers, and those workers still benefit from the union to a degree. Also a union wouldn't likely impact wrestling in Japan or overseas at all.
And as far as Indy wrestling goes, well the indy circuit would be a good place for guys that aren't yet in the union and the union could have carve outs for indy promotions and define what is an indy promotion based on number of wrestlers, average TV numbers, or average ticket sales. Even with SAG AFTRA, some SAG AFTRA members do independent films that aren't SAG.
There's no one way to write a union charter and no rule that a wrestlers union would have to look exactly like SAG AFTRA or any other union.
@@TheEnoEtile Nah. No thanks.
@@OpenMawProductions it's got nothing to do with you? The only thing you're wrestling with is the irrelevance of you're silly little channel.
@@TheEnoEtile Ad hominem nonsense. Grow up.
Lmao love Mick Foley. That intro was phenomenal.
Thank you for being a light Mick
I got Mick's autobiography from Santa in the year 2000. I read it and later summer of 2001 jumped off a shed landing an elbow drop on my next door neighbor Robbie "The Troll Man" Genoa and I was 15 years old. The Troll Man took the entire elbow to his gut blowing the wind clear out of his lungs. My hip and butt bone hurt something fierce. I pinned The Troll Man and won the Backyard Title in the Neighborhood Match spanning several yards over a few blocks. Those were the days and that was my childhood. I didn't grow up to be much but a 9-5 working man now these days never famous never known but You impacted my life in a positive way. Thank You Mick
Mick is a tremendous storyteller
Because he is genuine and doesn't fake anything. He chooses his words carefully and doesn't mind asking for help to find a word. He brings us right in with him like we are apart of the storytelling process as well.
My 5 favorite storytellers....
Jim Cornette
Dutch mantell
Mick Foley
Steve Austin
The undertaker
Honorable mentions!!!.....
Eric bischoff
Jim Ross
Vinnymac
@@garyhen2028 Paul? Come on, you gotta give it to Paul. The man's Vince McMahon impression alone is worth the price.
I was at a house show in Youngstown, Ohio 4 days after the Montreal Screwjob. The main event was supposed to be Bulldog and Owen VS Dude Love and Stone Cold, but Bulldog and Owen were boycotting their appearances, so the main event was Jim Neidhart with The New Age Outlaws in his corner vs Dude Love with Stone Cold in his corner. The pop Austin got in that small arena was amazing! The whole building was shaking! Also, I was 4 rows from the ring, and Kane was the largest human I had ever seen!
Mick is a National Treasure
You don't do that to Bret Hart was my sentiments exactly when this happened at the time, it's like the next year when Bischoff fired Ric Flair for going to his son's wrestling meet... You don't do that to Flair, either... I love that guys like Mick and Rick Rude were willing to walk away over this... Of course Mick came back but who could blame him? But I'm glad he took a stand.
Brett got what he had coming. Boo hoo hit man.
@@joedavidson6556 Yeah how dare he leave the company after being dicked around by his employer.
The Hitman is the best, thanks Mr.Foley for being awesome!
@@joedavidson6556 Too bad reality disagrees with you, Hickenbottom fangirl
Boo hoo. Karma has taken away the boytoys hair and gave the POS a lazy eye. lol
Bret was a selfish prick, he should have dropped the belt before Montreal and he wouldn’t have found himself in the position he did - Bret screwed Bret
I'll be damned if Mankind didn't just put me in the Xmas spirit. Thanks Mick.
They've finally fixed that horrendous green screen effect that made Foley look deathly pale and had all those nasty artifacts. This looks so much better.
Mick is the reason I began watching wrestling again after losing interest many years earlier after the Hogan/Warrior era. Yes, it was the HIAC match... but also many others after. Anyway, love listening to his stories.
I love it! This episode's premiere just made my day ❤️
I listen to about half a dozen of these podcasts off and on, both in the ConradVerse and on different channels and this is easily the best one. Award worthy.
Mick is a legendary storyteller love the way he talks about The past knowing he will always be true to the bone like he was in wrestling a living legend foley is God
I remember Crush being someone upset about the screw job and he was gone a few weeks later, I'm not even sure he ever appeared on TV again after the SSeries. As one of the only guys to really not come back I feel like his part in this story isn't said enough.
He did appear afterwards and got tombstoned by Kane getting “injured” which would explain his absence.
He went to WCW to join the NWO. It's pretty well known.
He had some nice words to say to Bret in WCW too... he had his back. RIP Brian Adams.. one of the good ones.
Another Friday, another Mick Foley podcast
I love it! Keep it coming!
"Internal blood" made me laugh. "Hot tag for your wiener" made me really laugh.
Just imagine I tell people how mick foley has been one of my absolute heroes in my adolescent years and they never heard of him. Then the first thing they see is this video and watch the first minute... they must be thinking: "WTF is wrong with you?!" lol, love it!
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Been my favorite,in ring and promos and a personal hero to me as well for a lil more than 25 years now, just know you're NOT alone!! Lol
Sure do love these pods! thank you Mick and Conrade!
I was at that show 2 rows away from where the inflamed chair was thrown. I was eleven years old and was so confused when the lights went out and everyone ran out.
This is the best episode so far
It's crazy that me & Mick are the same type of wrestling fan. Every take he has on modern wrestling or really the business in general, I'm always like, "Mick! Yes! Exactly!"
Mick is such a wonderful person!
Best part of this episode is Foley pitching Corney to show up on AEW! LOL! That would be the best 6 weeks of AEW television history!
Through all of Mick's stories I keep thinking God bless Mick's wife.
During game 3 of the WS, Fox started playing “ring my bell” when the Phillies were hitting all those homers. I was wondering why the “Mr in your house” song was playing.
Yes! I'm glad someone else caught that lol.
That song is always going to be Mr. In Your House to me from now on.
I 100% believe the reason Vince Mcmahon wouldn't change the match to anyone else BESIDES Shawn Michaels is because Shawn demanded Bret loose to him and threatened to quit if he wasn't given what he wanted. He refused to let Bret leave without doing the job to him. Think about it, Mick Foley, Steve Austin AND Undertaker ALL offered to take Shawns place so Bret would be happy but no, it HAD to be Shawn. That doesn't sit well with me
Conrad's best comeback one liner lol "squash matches are important too" 😆 🤣 I'll just say they're part of the the business
Favorite wrestler of all time. My mom doesn't even like wrestling and she loves and respects you.
God bless Mick Foley 👏
That part at the end about unionization should be its own clip. Interesting perspective
The discussion on the pros on cons of a Union and joining Sag was extremely entertaining and I have never heard off the 150 active wrestler and being bound to only Union sanctioned shows point of view. Fascinating. Foley is Pod, 84 Weeks and Grilling JR should be mandatory listens for any wrestling fan👍👍
The thing is that's a line Bischoff sold to Mick and a line Mick appears to believe. But its not strictly true. Its more or less how SAG AFTRA works but if the wrestlers make a union they can make rules for that union. Lots of places have unions but also have non union workers, and those workers still benefit from the union to a degree. Also a union wouldn't likely impact wrestling in Japan or overseas at all.
And as far as Indy wrestling goes, well the indy circuit would be a good place for guys aren't yet in the union and the union could have carve outs for indy promotions and define what is an indy promotion based on number of wrestlers, average TV numbers, or average ticket sales. Even with SAG AFTRA, some SAG AFTRA members do independent films that aren't SAG.
There's no one way to write a union charter and no rule that a wrestlers union would have to look exactly like SAG AFTRA
Other podcasts are interesting, Other podcasts are funny, other podcasts feel like we are listening to an older friend tell stories. Other podcasters hit you with a sense of nostalgia. I think Mic is a combination of all of these on top of being a genuinely nice guy. I really enjoy listening to him week to week.
What an amazing intro!
Another great podcast. Conrad is on a roll.
Conrad is a WWE shill, and is using his marriage to crowd out independent commentary,
Mick Foley was back at work in Ontario on November 11 1997. The match with Rocky Maivia (The Rock) is on his "For All Mankind: The Life and Career of Mick Foley DVD" - he did have some time from December 14th to December 26th 1997 off but then the entire WWF staff had that time off. No House Shows no tapings, nothing. **SHRUG**
Hearing Mick Foley ask Jim Cornette to work again and do wrestling a favor got me to pop haha
I’m just waiting till I see mick walking around Huntsville I’m just going to start screaming foley!foley!foley!🥴🤣
The Foley condom is a missing treasure 😂
You’re going to sit thru many of Conrad’s gimmick payoffs before getting to anything note worth. Conrad does this with many of his podcasts and I wish someone else would start interviewing the wrestlers. Conrad gives off a conman vibe.
a got a camo from mick in 2020 courtesy of my sister thanks mick!!
I think you should probably add a few more ads.
Cornette managing MJF would be nuclear heat
Hope you are well, Mick....
We Love You!!!!!
"Jim, please help AEW." I imagine Jim's response, at the nicest, would be, "I ain't got enough lipstick to even pretend that isn't a pig, Mick."
*AEW had more success with it's first PPV than SMW ever had. Cornette is out-of-touch, clueless and has nothing to offer modern-day pro wrestling. Tony Khan has had far more success in pro wrestling than Cornette could ever dream of.*
@@MattSingh1 He's a billionaire's son. Hard to fail there. You can't compare building a territory from scratch with one 6-figure investor vs. being the smart mark kid of a multi-billionaire sports team owner.
Mick Foley doing what Mick Foley does better than just about anybody else, telling a story either in the ring or in a book or on a podcast. I was never a great wrestling fan but I was a Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and Mick Foley" Cactus, Mankind" fan sorry Mr Foley but I was never a big Dude love fan I understand he was your childhood ideal of the perfect wrestling guy and it was very funny specially when you did all three of them in the same show. That will never be topped that and the Hell in the Cell. Just want you to know I think most of us understand and respect everybody bump you took for our entertainment. Long life to you .
The love to the rescue.....thank you mr. Weekday warriors worthiful
NO TIMESTAMPS!!??
Bro you can't believe a word Russo says bro. Bro now he claims bro, that the screwjob was his idea bro.
"HE'S A GOOD YOUMAN BEAN!"
Literally bro.
I wonder if anyone has ever told Vince that Shawn Michaels never brings up his name in the retelling. 🤔
Man kind will always be one of my most favorite wrestlers . socko was was a great too . The cage match between mankind and the undertaking classic.
I was covered in Saliva and that was fine by me..
I used to be a superstar, my face was on TV!
But now when people see me, they turn the other cheek..
They think my face is stupid, they think that I am weak.
Another day - another tear
Another night - another beer
Wake up and start all over again,
It's Socko's modern life!
I hang on a small forum of nerds that is basically dedicated to all things pop culture and earlier this year someone made several threads in which we'd get to vote and determine the best wrestling theme song of all time (unsurprisingly Austin won...which i'd predicted from the beginning but who wouldn't have?.) and before this all went down people were allowed to pick the song they thought would be the winner for every bracket and the person who would win this predictions game was to receive an undetermined reward, turns out that reward was a cameo by Mr Foley who, in his dude love gimmick, congratulated the winner by name. We ALL marked out huge on the forum. The dude love entrance and theme music is kind of a meme on there and it made it pretty far in the tournament.
Just to say, the man is really dedicated to giving you your money's worth for a cameo.
Such extraordinary characters in The Attitude Era...larger than life, memorable wrestlers that became pop-culture phenomenons
I miss those days, so much fun to watch each week.
Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Rock
Triple H
Mankind
Kane
Undertaker
Gangral
Viscera
Shawn Micheals
The Oddities
Skull & 8Ball
Edge
Christian
APA
The Hardy Boyz
The Dudley's
The New Age Outlaws
The head bangers
Test
Albert
Degeneration X
Owen Hart
Al Snow
Val Venis
Hardcore Holly
Crash Holly
Funaki
Ken Shamrock
Steve Blackman
The Godfather
Mideon
The Big Boss Man
Mark Henry
Vader
The stooges
The Mean street Posse
Chyna
Sable
Luna Vachon
Jacqueline
Ivory
Tori
B.B.
Debra
Terri Rennels
Ryan Shamrock
I’m rewatching the Attitude Era for the first time since I first saw it back in the day. I started at Royal Rumble 1997. I’m on December 1998, the Raw before Rick Bottom. It’s been a lot of fun going back in time. I remember certain things. Other stuff I completely forgot.
Cheers mr socko 🧦
when they say Grillo, they don't mean Steve Grillo - aka Howard Stern show in the 90s Grillo do they?
Baba booey to ya
Sgt Slaughter is one of the most fan friendly wrestler that there is
He's a very nice person, John!
And a GI JOE
If Corny shows up at AEW, I would lose my mind. Grabs Wardlow and opposes the Elite? Ohhhhhh boyyyyiii
Cant wait for the King of the Death match episode!
*Some facts about the double-cross:*
*Vince McMahon never once asked Bret to lose and drop the belt to Michaels at SS, either before the event or at the event that night*
*Bret had the crucial 'creative control' clause in his deal, giving him the legal right to refuse to lose to Michaels (the clause was put into the contract AT MCMAHON'S BEHEST, by the way)*
*Bret was willing to lose to anyone except Michaels (Bret's lawyer even sent a letter to McMahon outlining that Bret would love to drop the belt to Steve Austin)*
*Bret's WWE contract did not end until December 1st, so there was no chance of Bret turning up on Nitro the night after SS (and Bischoff had given Bret an extra week on top the December 1st date, so McMahon had essentially a month to do something else in regard to Bret dropping the belt)*
I read his book where he wrote about this incident
I want to say the audio is better and improved. J remember originally hearing the inside of Foley's mouth too much
Imagine Mick leaving at the end of 97
No kotr 98
No survivor series 98 final
No royal rumble 99 I quit
Jesus
I don't how it would have gone for WWF but they were some absolute highlight matches from my childhood
Also don't forget January 4th 1999 Mick Foley winning the WWE title to quote Tony Shivani and I probably spelled that wrong. Yeah that'll put butts in seats. And it put butts in seats. After that WCW never had the lead in the ratings again.
@@dil09ful oh hell yeah and the empty arena i match with the rock was epic
I remember we didn't always get WWF heat in Australia but somehow remember seeing that episode
Foley might have 1 ear...lost some teeth..but he has a great head of hair...eat your heart out hbk,STonecold,hogan.
Lucky bastard 🤣
This is why Conrad works with Bruce, JR, and Eric on occasion and why Brian works with Corny.
The upside to that interview is there being less chance of any comeback on WWE. It's again one of those bigger picture McMahon moves. You've literally got the widow on your product. It leaves WWE in a better position and makes it more difficult to associate negatively with the WWE what has happened
Mick
I just wanted you to know that me and my friend started a portuguese wrestling podcast called "Mesa Mágica" (Magic table) in honor of your epic response to a fan that asked you if the table broke your fall, on that Hell In a Cell match against Taker. Lots of love and have a nice day.
Did they change something? Mick is lookin goooooood this week. Change the name to the Handsome Hardcore Legend.
while i do listen to what others have to say. Mick has always been my guide when its time for truth
Oh man bahgawd. 3 Man Band and 4 Horsemen put together is great
Kanes arm in that pic. What a monster.
mick saying he wants to see jim cornette in aew brings tears to my eyes, make it happen
DX brought out the Bret Hart impersonator on Raw two weeks after Survivor Series, not the next night, so it didn't happen on the show that Mick boycotted.
Yeah he misremembered. The night after the Screwjob Bret is barely mentioned. Shawn buries him on commentary, JR makes a quick reference to Bret no longer bein gin the WWF, and Lawler says that “Bret is going to be making 3 million, cry me a river”. That’s it.
@@catchcan221 lol I had no idea Lawler said that…those are my sentiments exactly and I like Bret overall
Connor is mandated to bring up Russo at least once a show. 😂
Did jimmy ever respond to this?
I know he never went to AEW, but did he respond to Mick?
Best intro ever lol
Owen dropping Austin made Stone Cold's career. He wasn't able to wrestle right away so he was interviewed a lot and that's when he started Stunning everybody. First he was interviewed by JR, Stunned. Then Sgt Slaughter, Stunned. Then Vince, Stunned. He also got to do a bunch of interference, "ruining" mid card matches and Stunning both wrestlers. If Owen hadn't hurt Austin he would've just been another wrestler. The injury forced them to do special stuff with Steve.
Also ended it.
I definitely had a super bootleg copy of a copy of a copy of that IWA Deathmatch
*A Harley Race/Montreal double cross anecdote: the day after Bret knocked McMahon out, Race telephoned Bret to congratulate him on punching McMahon out.* 😆
One thing I never got. When a wrestle enters the ring, he leaves the belt at ringside. So why did Vince not just take the belt then or ask one of the ring side security to pick the belt up when they started wresting, take it to the back and Vince keep it if he thought bret was not going to drop it on Monday Night RAW one day later?
If he thought Bret would not drop it on Monday night RAW that seems a better solution than what happened? That way whatever the result of the match - Bret does not leave with the belt on the night.
I think it's impossible to not like Mick. If you don't i think that says more about you than him.
Great podcast!
So according to Mick's book, Deb dumped the title in the trash BEFORE the screw job.
If Jim Cornette went to AEW, he would be the tippy-top heel in the company
gets old people going aww bret, shawn was the one who got most of the heat. Did was he thought was best and carried it for years. Screw other wrestlers. Most mad because they werent the ones asked to do it
"And Mick's holding out for moral fucking turpitude!"
When's your boy Cornette gonna face Russo in a debate tho?
For obvious reason they didn't want to have the WWF Heavyweight Championship Belt at WCW.. unlike years before when Ric Flair went to WWF.. with the NWA/WCW World Heavyweight Championship Belt.. on WWF Television.
That was never going to happen. WCW was already sued by WWF for copyright law for the Women’s belt in 95. Turner channel told Bichoff never to do that again.
Man, a 3 year dry spell. Rough.
Rollins!🍻
@@Rschr101 yea!
I remember signs in the crowd that said Foley is GOD /👁️\ Foley was truly over when he had that retirement match vs HHH, All of us wrestling fans felt it. This guy was over. That sympathetic of a character. The fans felt Foley's pain.
WWF - Little Bret
WCW - Little Canadian flags
Godfather was the only profession gimmick in the attitude era. And Val Venus.
Undertaker?
Did anybody in The Undertaker’s entire career ever unequivocally state that he actually was a literal undertaker?
@@captainxhulio2929 thought about taker but not really he had evolved into the phenom from the western undertaker
@@andrewlivingston1590 Yes. In his promos for years after he first arrived, he was shown building caskets in the funeral home, digging graves, etc.
@@andrewlivingston1590 yes very early on when he was with jake Roberta you see segments of him building coffins with old west tools and what not
I felt the same you don’t do that to your lead dog 🐕 not the Hitman. I was disgusted 🤢 1:12:25
To me the real DX the one that was cutting edge was the one with HBK, Triple H and Chyna (also Ric Rude). The version with Triple H, XPac, NAO and Chyna was a mid card act with a couple catchphrases
Dont tell the son in law that.
Cornette improves with age, he’d be twice as effective now if they just turned him loose as himself. I don’t agree with his politics but he is as entertaining as Bobby Heenan.
Predating all of this was the 1936 MSG Screwjob, the Wrestling Trust and a federal court case that exposed the business.
*There have been many double-crosses throughout the history of pro wrestling. Before the Montreal double-cross, the most high profile one was Gorgeous George/Don Eagle.*