I use walmart arrows and I have zeros issues 40 yards and under. These dudes with their $2000 bows matched with a $200 arrow. Seems silly to me. I get it if you're hunting larger game, but whitetail, this is way overkill. In my humble opinion.
OMG I WAS LEGITIMATELY SEARCHING FOR THIS IM LOOKING TO FLETCH MY OWN BOW. Which i just found out clocks left so a max mini . And gotta figure out fletchings and im readyyy
Dan, you should get the draw board clamp for the LCA from baker archery products, it’s a game changer and no more holding on to the bow in the draw board.
Pumped to see how this goes. What a great Plan B arrow too by the way but still have the trajectory you are comfortable with. The broadhead is the part that does the cutting and killing. So nothing wrong with going heavier than usual with a solid head that is razor sharp. You could definitely use that setup for elk no problem. 🏹🦌
End of November? Jesus christ, thank god Michigan is october 1st. Right round the corner for us. If only the deer round here where as dumb as the rest of the mid west white tails
Hey man. I shoot the same arrows. I hunt whitetail in GA where I live. I have maybe 1” on your draw length. Going on an elk hunt in WY this SEP. would you use the 4mm on elk? I am right at 400 grains total with perfect FOC. maybe change the broadhead and give em a try you think?
I’m just wondering do you prefer iron will or the grim reaper micro 3 blade I here their isn’t much blood from iron will but they have great penetration
I have the Garmin xero c1 and it’s pretty solid. Reads very consistent indoor. Shot it at my shops indoor range and no problem reading it. At home inside a bit hard but I am only shooting 3 yards so if you can get say closer to 10 yards I think you’d be alright. But I am definitely happy with what I’m seeing with it and the versatility with shooting rifle pistol bows and others especially if you reload is great. Small package and lightweight is super easy to bring and set up with you where ever you go!
Excited to see how this works for you. I shot the iron will 125’s this year and have been thinking I want to switch to those wide 150 single bevels. Keep up the great work!
Wow I hate to hear that.. I shot the 150gr regular single bevel, and the ethics archery 85gr outsert/collar system. I had the RIP TKO gamer shaft with tac driver 3 fletch out to 70 yards with really good flight.
Wow🎉 this is a super great video! I really appreciate you spending the time making it, this will help so many people like myself who want to create an amazing set up
Please try the Firenock equipment to build your arrows. The guy who made this company odd a nuclear physicist. He actually knows what he’s doing he is a genius. Gorge Duane. Exodus outdoors uses his . Their arrows fly like no other!
Excited to see this. I'm building a new arrow because I used the last of my 545gn arrows. 485gn with 18% FOC. I too have a 27" draw length. I'm shooting the Elite Era at 70# w/ 80% let off. I Chrono'd at 260fps. Faster than my old arrow, but I'm glad to see I'm not to far off with 5# less draw weight. I'm looking into the Precision Cut Archery Software. Dark Owl and your videos just about have me sold.
Hey Brother. I've never done wraps or shot arrows with wraps. But, I'm down to check them out though. I will be getting some new vanes here soon. And I'm getting some with the Elk Shape logo from your site. Which ones would you recommend for a midwest whitetail hunter sitting in a treestand. Only short 35yd max shot distance. I also want to switch to a .204 diameter arrow (either Victory RIP TKO's or Easton Axis 5mm Pros) from a GT Hunter XT. So that would factor in. I want the best chance of having the arrow zip right through the deer. Those 150 Iron Will wides look sick. I might even run those next year with the arrow change. I'll see the results of your little testing.
Hey my setup for elk this year was with the FMJ 300 5mm, 524.7 grains, arrow speed was 268 fps, kinect energy of 83.7, iron will single bevel 125 grains with impact collar. Unfortunately no elk this year. FOC 11.2%
My thoughts are how many deer are you going to shoot at 50-60+ yards where heavier arrows would aid in penetration? But 485 grains isn’t a super “ ranch fairy” heavyweight setup anyway. One thing about it those wide blade heads should get it done for sure. Personally, I prefer like a 425 grain max weight because I have only 62#’s at 28” at 270fps. Gives me great 40 yards and under trajectory and works great with a 3 pin sight. 👍👍👀👀
Love the iron will set up, 275 fps 504 g 70 lb 31 inch draw hoyt ventum. That speed with a fixed blade is perfect and extremely accurate. Your smoking at 75lb 27 inch draw
Have the cool pattern closer to the top of the wrap... I always cut my wraps down as close to the front of my vane as possible to reduce weight... some of the wraps the elkshape part would be cut off.
First, is there a “twang” from the loft or is that just the camera picking the shot up weird? Also, making sight tapes, how do you get them to stick and why not use the tapes that came with the ultraview?
Really informative Video Dan. Appreciate all the hard work you are putting into your testing/tinkering and videos. Which Black Ovis Pants are you wearing there at the end of the video.
Have you used that hot melt mostly now the past season and used it to shoot elk even with a hard left helical, and still no issues with anything pulling out or unscrewing (which i know isnt anything to do with adhesive choice) i use the same hot melt exclusively for 2.5 seasons now. Starts in september here, very hot, goes til January 31st whitetails. So was jus curious. Thought about switching to Victory black fusion for better piece of mind but dont wanna damage arrows trying to remove inserts
We need to get Precision Cut Archery to do a video on their product, it looks fairly new to the game. From what i have seen it looks to be right up there with AA, will need to do the trial myself to compare, but so far I am liking everything I have seen
could you test the rage broadheads? they are often seen as the gold standard for mechanicals. check the chisels and cut on contact, three vs two blades, extremes vs regular.
The topo wraps and a topo sight housing is definitely is the coolest custom set up I’ve seen. Just got a spot Hogg fast Eddie triple stack in today. Hopefully I’ve payed enough attention to all the great information you’ve put out about sight tapes and longer range shooting
Great episode. I've always used Archers Advantage but Precision Cut Archery Sight Tapes looks very cool. Everyone has experienced tapes that seem off when you go to TAC in the higher elevations and it sounds like these would solve that problem.
Hey Dan. Just a heads up: After using the torch and removing the inserts, I've learnt to dunk the carbon shaft first, right away.. To avoid any excess heat causing warping of the shaft. The inserts can cool down in their own glass of water.
But if you use a heat gun and set it to just hot enough to melt the fletch-tite, you don’t risk the damage to the shaft at all. The propane torch and carbon just seems too likely to cause a crispy carbon shaft. Not a combination I’m personally comfortable using, but I love my heat gun from Harbor freight, stands up on its own. Just my approach.
Watched this episode and got a subscription to precision cut archery. I’m made two sight tapes for two arrows set ups I’m playing with. Love what you do. Love that you’re repping the short draw guys, I’m one of them.
Dear Dan, I've been quietly consuming your content for a few years now, and I need to be totally transparent with you.... I've wanted to dislike you, I've tried to dislike you... I don't know why or what it is. I thought maybe there's just something about your face. But the content kept me coming back.. I am telling you this now because I have officially overcome my unknown aversion for you. I can openly without shame fully consume your content now, and it is a great day for personal growth for me.
HA!!!! Love your honesty, perhaps I have a face that only a Mother could love 😊... but... The passion for archery, fitness and elk hunting is REAL and I hope that comes across. Appreciate the support! -DS
We have two seasons out here too. So this is late season that varies depending part of the state. Western for black tail we open up this week and run through end of the year. We also had a month back in September for archery at least for black tail. I think whitetail up by Dan may have been a couple weeks early season too. WA just has a bunch of weird season dates splitting everything and in the next couple years we may not have anything as he pointed out on the commission make up!
Also Dan the man, what are your thoughts on knock collars, been tinkering with my setup (deer hunter down south) and they have made my arrows quieter in flight. I run sirius arrows @ 554 gr
How are you measuring the volume of the sound? Or is it perceived? Most of the sound comes from the vanes IME, why I steer clear of max hunters, great vane but they sound like a freight train when you stand off to the side of someone shooting
It’s perceptive sorry for not being clear on that. But there is a difference that you can tell. Yeah you are right the hunters are a bit louder but they do other jobs well.
Aloha Dan. Do you print those tapes on regular paper? Then glue them? Are they water proof? Sooo appreciative for all the info you and MFJJ put out as there are not many resources out here. Mahalo!
Did you have to bump up to 250’s for the 80# mods to get a good paper tear even with a somewhat shorter arrow? Im hoping i can still get away with my 300’s at 29.5# draw when i put my new catfish custom strings on because i know its gonna bump up the speed some. My 300 spine VAP SS 4mm are right on the border even with just 100 grain head and 65 grain insert and collar total weight
@@Orr_s the inserts can stiffen the dynamic spine up, especially the Snyder core with a deep six insert. There’s metal the first few inches of the arrow shaft. I shoot 75lbs and a 31” draw and can get away with 300 spine arrows.
@@jonathanperillo1795 makes sense, never even considered that. My ethics inserts have quite a long insert that goes into the shaft, then the collar over that hot melted in place. How short you cutting those at a 300 spine…carbon to carbon?
I use walmart arrows and I have zeros issues 40 yards and under. These dudes with their $2000 bows matched with a $200 arrow. Seems silly to me. I get it if you're hunting larger game, but whitetail, this is way overkill.
In my humble opinion.
Why such a heavy broadhead and insert for whitetail? East coast Hunter and I blow through whitetail with a 65lb 26" v3x with 100gr and no inserts.
No inserts? Interesting lol
I'm hunting Mountain Whitetails - they're pretty sturdy critters body wise and I wanted to absolutely 100% confident in what I built! -DS
@@Orr_sI thought the same thing 😂
@@Orr_s just glue my broadheads right to the carbon lol
@@ElkShape Thanks for the reply! I enjoy seeing different options and I also like to tinker, maybe I'll go heavy and see what happens!
I never can get them iron will wides to fly good. :((
OMG I WAS LEGITIMATELY SEARCHING FOR THIS IM LOOKING TO FLETCH MY OWN BOW. Which i just found out clocks left so a max mini . And gotta figure out fletchings and im readyyy
Adding to the tinkering 🔨 grab a pack of cut throat wides and compare to the IW wide
I have to say that was a great production. Including the music. Great photography and unique story, well done.
I’d love to hear you talk about Sirius arrows. They seem great but I don’t think I’ve ever seen you talk about one!
Dan, you should get the draw board clamp for the LCA from baker archery products, it’s a game changer and no more holding on to the bow in the draw board.
My brother used a wide on a whitetail, looked like an axe murderer was in the woods
Pumped to see how this goes. What a great Plan B arrow too by the way but still have the trajectory you are comfortable with.
The broadhead is the part that does the cutting and killing. So nothing wrong with going heavier than usual with a solid head that is razor sharp.
You could definitely use that setup for elk no problem. 🏹🦌
End of November? Jesus christ, thank god Michigan is october 1st. Right round the corner for us. If only the deer round here where as dumb as the rest of the mid west white tails
Hey man. I shoot the same arrows. I hunt whitetail in GA where I live. I have maybe 1” on your draw length. Going on an elk hunt in WY this SEP. would you use the 4mm on elk? I am right at 400 grains total with perfect FOC. maybe change the broadhead and give em a try you think?
With a regular paper printer, how do you attach your tape to the sight ?
I’m just wondering do you prefer iron will or the grim reaper micro 3 blade I here their isn’t much blood from iron will but they have great penetration
I laugh when you say your draw length because I have the same draw length 😂
Dan, what printer and paper do you use for sight tapes? Is it a sticker backed paper? Appreciate your content and your grind.
Holly burning hat Batman hahahaha love it your the man Dan 👊
Why is all u see is max stealth’s with crazy helicals and he is just running these small vanes
I have the Garmin xero c1 and it’s pretty solid. Reads very consistent indoor. Shot it at my shops indoor range and no problem reading it. At home inside a bit hard but I am only shooting 3 yards so if you can get say closer to 10 yards I think you’d be alright. But I am definitely happy with what I’m seeing with it and the versatility with shooting rifle pistol bows and others especially if you reload is great. Small package and lightweight is super easy to bring and set up with you where ever you go!
I want one!!! Thanks! -DS
Excited to see how this works for you. I shot the iron will 125’s this year and have been thinking I want to switch to those wide 150 single bevels. Keep up the great work!
I could never get them to fly with my field points but I’m no pro at tuning
Wow I hate to hear that.. I shot the 150gr regular single bevel, and the ethics archery 85gr outsert/collar system. I had the RIP TKO gamer shaft with tac driver 3 fletch out to 70 yards with really good flight.
@@98blower17 the regular single bevels flew great just not the wides for me
Wow🎉 this is a super great video! I really appreciate you spending the time making it, this will help so many people like myself who want to create an amazing set up
Glad it was helpful!
That orange top ElkHntr wrap looks 🔥
What Spine are those arrow shafts?
You are the man bro go get that buck!!!
You have a link to the arrow wrap guy. Thanks
What is the best way to put the sight tapes on the bow?
What is the best way to put the sight tapes on the bow?
Those topo ones were 🔥
Please try the Firenock equipment to build your arrows. The guy who made this company odd a nuclear physicist. He actually knows what he’s doing he is a genius.
Gorge Duane. Exodus outdoors uses his . Their arrows fly like no other!
What are you printing your sight tap on?
I didn’t get the name of the wrap company please post that here
Excited to see this. I'm building a new arrow because I used the last of my 545gn arrows. 485gn with 18% FOC. I too have a 27" draw length. I'm shooting the Elite Era at 70# w/ 80% let off. I Chrono'd at 260fps. Faster than my old arrow, but I'm glad to see I'm not to far off with 5# less draw weight. I'm looking into the Precision Cut Archery Software. Dark Owl and your videos just about have me sold.
The TOPO wraps are sweet!
Hey Brother. I've never done wraps or shot arrows with wraps. But, I'm down to check them out though. I will be getting some new vanes here soon. And I'm getting some with the Elk Shape logo from your site. Which ones would you recommend for a midwest whitetail hunter sitting in a treestand. Only short 35yd max shot distance. I also want to switch to a .204 diameter arrow (either Victory RIP TKO's or Easton Axis 5mm Pros) from a GT Hunter XT. So that would factor in. I want the best chance of having the arrow zip right through the deer. Those 150 Iron Will wides look sick. I might even run those next year with the arrow change. I'll see the results of your little testing.
Why all the weigth
Hey my setup for elk this year was with the FMJ 300 5mm, 524.7 grains, arrow speed was 268 fps, kinect energy of 83.7, iron will single bevel 125 grains with impact collar. Unfortunately no elk this year. FOC 11.2%
Shot a buck with a two blade and it didn’t bleed hardly at all. Lucky I found it. Heart shot too. 3 blades for me.
I think the WIDES might rip/tear a bigger hole... hopefully we'll get to find out! Thanks for sharing. -DS
Iowa whitetail hunter here. Procomp 250, tuffhead 200, 180 ethics insert, 715 grain total arrow weight, FOC 25%. 241 fps. Tags filled. Good hunting Dan.
My thoughts are how many deer are you going to shoot at 50-60+ yards where heavier arrows would aid in penetration? But 485 grains isn’t a super “ ranch fairy” heavyweight setup anyway. One thing about it those wide blade heads should get it done for sure. Personally, I prefer like a 425 grain max weight because I have only 62#’s at 28” at 270fps. Gives me great 40 yards and under trajectory and works great with a 3 pin sight. 👍👍👀👀
Love the iron will set up, 275 fps 504 g 70 lb 31 inch draw hoyt ventum. That speed with a fixed blade is perfect and extremely accurate. Your smoking at 75lb 27 inch draw
Have the cool pattern closer to the top of the wrap... I always cut my wraps down as close to the front of my vane as possible to reduce weight... some of the wraps the elkshape part would be cut off.
First, is there a “twang” from the loft or is that just the camera picking the shot up weird? Also, making sight tapes, how do you get them to stick and why not use the tapes that came with the ultraview?
My man Dan, wearing a tossle cap indoors, but not outdoors! What is the overall weight of your bow set up?
How long are you wraps? I like 7 inches in white because it stands out in 20 yards and in.
I shoot KY whitetail every year with 480 - 500 grain arrows 2 holes is the goal and you will get it with those for sure. Good luck.
Really informative Video Dan. Appreciate all the hard work you are putting into your testing/tinkering and videos. Which Black Ovis Pants are you wearing there at the end of the video.
other than the width of the nock "shoulder" between Easton and AAE, what's the difference in the nocks? both are made by AAE correct?
Have you used that hot melt mostly now the past season and used it to shoot elk even with a hard left helical, and still no issues with anything pulling out or unscrewing (which i know isnt anything to do with adhesive choice) i use the same hot melt exclusively for 2.5 seasons now. Starts in september here, very hot, goes til January 31st whitetails. So was jus curious. Thought about switching to Victory black fusion for better piece of mind but dont wanna damage arrows trying to remove inserts
We need to get Precision Cut Archery to do a video on their product, it looks fairly new to the game. From what i have seen it looks to be right up there with AA, will need to do the trial myself to compare, but so far I am liking everything I have seen
Sucks you have to have a chrono to make sight tapes. Ooof
could you test the rage broadheads? they are often seen as the gold standard for mechanicals. check the chisels and cut on contact, three vs two blades, extremes vs regular.
Kinda surprised after you and Josh did some testing you aren't going to try an expandable, maybe even a titanium expandable for deer season
Wraps are cool. Are they the best thing to slap on an arrow? Most of the time no, but who doesn't like a lil cool factor.
Is it just me or does the new Lift sound way louder, more higher pitched when shooting compared to the phase 4’s
I have the same draw as you and have had really good luck with the Iron Will wides
@elkshape how long does it typically take you to break your shot off?
being east of the miss would love to see your strategy for whitetails where you are
You should be using a swhacker.
The topo wraps and a topo sight housing is definitely is the coolest custom set up I’ve seen. Just got a spot Hogg fast Eddie triple stack in today. Hopefully I’ve payed enough attention to all the great information you’ve put out about sight tapes and longer range shooting
Hey Dan what glue are you using for those inserts?
I'm looking for a quality hot melt for my arrows that won't leave inserts behind in my target
I bought hot melt off the Ironwill Outfitters website! -DS
@@ElkShape thank you sir I'll be grabbing some of that goodness 👍🏻👍🏻
Liking the new arrow weight for sure
I love the amount of detail you give
This site is great thanks
Did you match your helical to your single bevel? Ie Left helical left single bevel?
Correct - I match helical to bevel LEFT and LEFT -DS
Great video Dan. Thanks for sharing brother. Some good looking whitetail arrows.
Thanks 👍
Our boy is the goat 🐐
Hey Dan did you now you can make your Iron Will 125 a single bevel wide just replace the blade
you sir are a genius!
Great episode. I've always used Archers Advantage but Precision Cut Archery Sight Tapes looks very cool. Everyone has experienced tapes that seem off when you go to TAC in the higher elevations and it sounds like these would solve that problem.
I sure hope they do! -DS
Hey Dan.
Just a heads up:
After using the torch and removing the inserts, I've learnt to dunk the carbon shaft first, right away..
To avoid any excess heat causing warping of the shaft.
The inserts can cool down in their own glass of water.
But if you use a heat gun and set it to just hot enough to melt the fletch-tite, you don’t risk the damage to the shaft at all. The propane torch and carbon just seems too likely to cause a crispy carbon shaft. Not a combination I’m personally comfortable using, but I love my heat gun from Harbor freight, stands up on its own. Just my approach.
Watched this episode and got a subscription to precision cut archery. I’m made two sight tapes for two arrows set ups I’m playing with. Love what you do. Love that you’re repping the short draw guys, I’m one of them.
That is awesome!
Curious to see if you’ve considered checking out Day 6 gear 4mm insert out sert system.
Definitely hope to get my hands on some to test! -DS
Wishing you good luck with the white-tailed! I am waiting for the video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing this. Really helpful.
Glad it was helpful! Building a sight tape can be intimidating so I figured we could show how easy is! -DS
You might want to switch to an alcohol burner. Torches get too hot and you risk damaging your arrow…..not to mention your face.
Ya and my favorite hat! Thanks! -DS
Love how you opened with the blooper! Hilarious.
Thank you! 😁
First 🥇
Love that sight tape do you have a link
Precision Cut Archery - throw that in your google! -DS
Dear Dan,
I've been quietly consuming your content for a few years now, and I need to be totally transparent with you.... I've wanted to dislike you, I've tried to dislike you... I don't know why or what it is. I thought maybe there's just something about your face. But the content kept me coming back.. I am telling you this now because I have officially overcome my unknown aversion for you. I can openly without shame fully consume your content now, and it is a great day for personal growth for me.
HA!!!! Love your honesty, perhaps I have a face that only a Mother could love 😊... but... The passion for archery, fitness and elk hunting is REAL and I hope that comes across. Appreciate the support! -DS
It definitely comes across crystal clear. Keep it real buddy. @@ElkShape
Hey Dan what hot melt are you using? Also what scooter you riding haha?!
ordered the hot melt from IronWill and the scooter is from Bakcou! -DS
@@ElkShape sweet thanks!
Why does Washington deer season kick off so late? Are deer numbers down up there?
Who knows! Probably because we have PETA lifetime members on our wildlife commission (appointed by our lovely governor). -DS
We have two seasons out here too. So this is late season that varies depending part of the state. Western for black tail we open up this week and run through end of the year. We also had a month back in September for archery at least for black tail. I think whitetail up by Dan may have been a couple weeks early season too. WA just has a bunch of weird season dates splitting everything and in the next couple years we may not have anything as he pointed out on the commission make up!
Also Dan the man, what are your thoughts on knock collars, been tinkering with my setup (deer hunter down south) and they have made my arrows quieter in flight. I run sirius arrows @ 554 gr
How are you measuring the volume of the sound? Or is it perceived? Most of the sound comes from the vanes IME, why I steer clear of max hunters, great vane but they sound like a freight train when you stand off to the side of someone shooting
It’s perceptive sorry for not being clear on that. But there is a difference that you can tell. Yeah you are right the hunters are a bit louder but they do other jobs well.
Finding an arrow setup is so difficult for new hunters lol. So many options and configurations.
I think you just do you, it's your journey, find what gives you the most confidence! -DS
@@ElkShape Recommended arrow that's accurate straight out of the box? Thank you for taking the time to respond!
Aloha Dan. Do you print those tapes on regular paper? Then glue them? Are they water proof? Sooo appreciative for all the info you and MFJJ put out as there are not many resources out here. Mahalo!
shipping label paper... then I put shipping tape over it to keep it water proof! -DS
Awesome! Mahalos!!!
Which iron will broadhead would you use for elk or hog?
I've used the 125 solid single bevel on 3 or 4 bulls and had solid experiences. -DS
he using Iron will single bevel left and grim reaper micro hades three blade for elk, not sure if he hunts hogs.
485 arrow for whitetail and a 425 arrow for elk . I can picture Josh jones shaking his head
Either would do, longer shots on the elk vs whitetail woods..
Did you have to bump up to 250’s for the 80# mods to get a good paper tear even with a somewhat shorter arrow? Im hoping i can still get away with my 300’s at 29.5# draw when i put my new catfish custom strings on because i know its gonna bump up the speed some. My 300 spine VAP SS 4mm are right on the border even with just 100 grain head and 65 grain insert and collar total weight
300s seem to be fine for both setups (75# and 80#). -DS
@@ElkShape hoping thats the case with my arrows too at 29.5” draw, love the content always 👊🏼
@@Orr_s the inserts can stiffen the dynamic spine up, especially the Snyder core with a deep six insert. There’s metal the first few inches of the arrow shaft. I shoot 75lbs and a 31” draw and can get away with 300 spine arrows.
@@jonathanperillo1795 makes sense, never even considered that. My ethics inserts have quite a long insert that goes into the shaft, then the collar over that hot melted in place. How short you cutting those at a 300 spine…carbon to carbon?