He is also identical to his look in Daredevil, is probably this a confirmation that the daredevil series is canon in the MCU and this is the same Kingpin? Mmhhh
@@amin8201 Something I like to think since the Daredevil series is gonna be full canon on the MCU is that MAYBE Fisk got snapped when he was in jail and got back 5 years later when he's empirein NY was almsot vanished? Hoping we get a future explanation of this!
@@houseofdolan bro they're taking the marvel Netflix shows from Netflix to put them on HULU/Disney+ and what I read from a news The Punisher will get a new season, at this point they're 100% canon 💪
@@amin8201 Vincent D'nofrio said he will always treat his MCU Kingpin as if it's the same one from Netflix. These continuity bits are no doubt things he keeps in mind himself
@@jahnybravo2168 He’s even wearing a black suit like he did before season 3 and has his dad’s cuff links from the series - Daredevil is canon. Remember, those shows were still funded by Disney and were conceived as being part of the MCU, albeit lightly.
It’s a real bummer that Fisk/Eleanor scene was deleted. I feel like they could’ve snuck that in as a flashback right at the beginning of the last episode. Really humanizes Eleanor, but also elevates Fisk’s menacing presence.
But it's redundant. This scene first and foremost is meant ti explain why she's working for him. This topic was already explained in almost the exact same way as it was in their present day conversation. They would've had to tweak the present day scene to not have that explanation so this one could have reason to stick around.
While I agree it should have stayed, I kinda understand why it got cut. This scene would undermine the continuation of that big reveal from the tail end of Episode 5 and cause Episode 6 (which was the big showdown) to have a slow-paced beginning. And it is most likely can't be fitted into earlier episodes without revealing Fisk too early in the game.
@@axceljulio5747 I think it all comes down to the 6 episode duration. 1 more episode to flesh out Wilson Fisk with flashbacks would've gone much better
I like that in all the scenes that set in the past Fisk always wears black wen in present he wears White like he did in daredevil where he was not wearing comic book accurate White until the final season it's a nice attention to details
@@CaioCCordeiro Really where? Even so it was a bad decision for the comics too I have a hard time believing that Frank Miller would ever have Fisk wearing a hat.
Honestly im glad Clints getting the recognition he deserves. Honestly thought that this show would poke fun at the fact that no one knows who Hawkeye is except for Kate.
Why would they not know who he is. He’s a guy fighting armies of aliens with a bow and arrow. That’ll get you as much recognition as a guy who flies around in a suit of armor. If he was just a guy with a gun, everyone would forget who he is.
@@sakonan4883 but unlike Tony he was an agent of Shield. His whole job was about Secrecy and stealth. The only reason people knew widow because she went in front of the government.
@@Emanuel-oo6mc all the Avengers were public heroes the moment they fought in New York. No one knew who Black Widow was until the battle of New York either.
I understand why the Fisk scene was cut. At the end he says that as soon as Eleanor pays off her late husband's debt she's done, but then in the show he tries to kill her for backing out after she's already payed her debt and more. It makes him seem like he went back on his word, which isn't beyond him as seen with the Punisher debacle but also isn't something he regularly does with his associates. I doubt he would have done something like that to Leland or Gao.
We don't know if kingpin is really trying to kill eleanor. He just wanted to talk he said and why he didn't use kate as hostage. I think he's considering Eleanor's worries about her daughter and he didn't intended to kill kate as long as she's working for him. This is a stretched, I know.
@@alphanerd7221 Fisk was very clear with Leland and Gao, the brothers he only lied to after being embarrassed in front of Vanessa, and he manipulated Nobu into fighting Matt with no guarantee that he would die or even be the one to fight. The only times he hasn't kept his word that I ca remember off of the top of my head are the brothers after a perceived slight and Frank.
@@absolutecarnage777 He totally tried to snow Leland and "after being embarrassed in front of Vanessa" isn't even close to an excuse. I don't know what you are trying to say about Naboo but The kingpin got them to fight in the hopes that Nobu would die. Gao is the only person he isn't deceptive toward.
@starfreak2349 You sure? He's got the padding under the suit, and the bts shows that they had Vera sit on a box to make Vincent look taller even when sitting.
@@roarmbee7045 I know. They made this deal in the end of S3. But how and when did Fisk break it? I don't remember seeing anything like that in Hawkeye.
I understand all the disappointment and fears about the tone. But with that aside, I'm really happy for these actors (Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox) that they're now going to be able to interact with the wider MCU. I know they're excited about it. Maybe a few tonal sacrifices, but overall exciting.
It doesn't need to be 13 episodes though. Daredevil came closer than the other shows to justifying it, but even that had filler moments (Ellison setting up Karen Page was boring and pointless for example). 10 episodes is the happy medium.
Because it's redundant. The topic of conversation in this scene was done in their present-day conversation, so there's no narrative reason to keep this one.
I saw a screenshot of a clip where Kingpin is in a suit but has a bowtie, but I can't find the actual deleted scene it's from. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
In the Fisk and Elenor scene they mention her husband and about getting rid of him does that mean she killed him and he didn't die during the attack? cause ik there is a theory behind that
WHAT THE FUCK IS MARVELS PROBLEM CUTTING ALL THE IMPORTANT SCENES FROM THE FINAL PRODUCT?? while this scene isnt INTEGRAL to the storyline, we need as much D'Onofrio screen time as possible
They wanted to reintroduce both Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk during the same week NWH and The Hawkeye Finale were released, which makes sense. It was all supposed to be a surprise for the fans.
I'm pretty sure this would've been saved for the finale. But it's redundant regardless due to the fact that this serves to explain why Eleanor works for him, which was already done at the beginning of episode 6.
That's because the dinner scene took place much earlier in the Timeline. It would've happened all the way back during the Netflix Daredevil timeline (2015-2018). Hawkeye takes place after the blip which would explain why Kingpin seems different. He underwent some kind of change during that period. He might have taken some black market serum.
They should've had two extra episodes. One earlier in the season showcasing Clint's origin and other in between episodes 5 and 6 to place more focus on Fisk, the show's main antagonist. Imagine having actual time to see why Clint feared Kingpin getting involved before the season finale? We also could've had a continuation to that police detective side plot that was somehow forgotten.
It’s understandable why they cut it. But that’s kinda the problem. Did it make narrative sense? Or do they just cut because they wanted to do the surprise because they gave more importance to the reveal then the actual story.
If you're talking about the Fisk scene, then truth be told, it's cause it's kind of redundant. His introductory scene at the beginning of episode 6 already tackled the topics of this scene. Maybe if their present-day conversation was exclusively about her desire to leave, then I could see this staying.
Clint deserved more. Poor guy. Echo is already getting her own show, why did she have to get so big role here. And kate and yelena will probably stick around for a while. They could've had their own shit later. This really should've been Clint’s time to shine, but no.
The main issue with Fisk is that D’Onofrio has no chemistry with anyone in this show’s cast. They should have had him change up his performance a little bit. The MCU is good at having everyone interact and be consistent with their portrayals but this is something that should have been changed. This also shows how good Marvel Studios’ casting is that everyone can interact smoothly. You can tell D’Onofrio was not casted by Marvel Studios.
@@garvbakshi6873 perfect for Daredevil. In Hawkeye, he feels like a cartoon character. And again, he has no chemistry with any character on this show. That is bad no matter how good of an actor you are.
@@alphanerd7221 Please explain because I genuinely find it hard to see why someone would think that, unless you're mixing season 2 and 3 up. And if that's the case you're absolutely right. But how? I mean WandaVision has a CGI borefest showdown while Daredevil's mid-season fight is this hype shit: ua-cam.com/video/y1K86U0nO7w/v-deo.html Also Daredevil 3 has better acting and story all round. Karen's confrontation with Fisk alone is better than the entirety of WandaVision.
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The Fisk and Eleanor scene looked like it was straight out of the Daredevil series. They really should’ve kept it in.
He is also identical to his look in Daredevil, is probably this a confirmation that the daredevil series is canon in the MCU and this is the same Kingpin? Mmhhh
@@amin8201 Something I like to think since the Daredevil series is gonna be full canon on the MCU is that MAYBE Fisk got snapped when he was in jail and got back 5 years later when he's empirein NY was almsot vanished? Hoping we get a future explanation of this!
@@houseofdolan bro they're taking the marvel Netflix shows from Netflix to put them on HULU/Disney+ and what I read from a news The Punisher will get a new season, at this point they're 100% canon 💪
@@amin8201 Vincent D'nofrio said he will always treat his MCU Kingpin as if it's the same one from Netflix. These continuity bits are no doubt things he keeps in mind himself
@@jahnybravo2168 He’s even wearing a black suit like he did before season 3 and has his dad’s cuff links from the series - Daredevil is canon. Remember, those shows were still funded by Disney and were conceived as being part of the MCU, albeit lightly.
It’s a real bummer that Fisk/Eleanor scene was deleted. I feel like they could’ve snuck that in as a flashback right at the beginning of the last episode. Really humanizes Eleanor, but also elevates Fisk’s menacing presence.
But it's redundant. This scene first and foremost is meant ti explain why she's working for him. This topic was already explained in almost the exact same way as it was in their present day conversation. They would've had to tweak the present day scene to not have that explanation so this one could have reason to stick around.
Some scenes is good that it was cut, but God that Fisk scene should've stayed in.
While I agree it should have stayed, I kinda understand why it got cut. This scene would undermine the continuation of that big reveal from the tail end of Episode 5 and cause Episode 6 (which was the big showdown) to have a slow-paced beginning. And it is most likely can't be fitted into earlier episodes without revealing Fisk too early in the game.
@@axceljulio5747 I think it all comes down to the 6 episode duration. 1 more episode to flesh out Wilson Fisk with flashbacks would've gone much better
@@chrispy3369 exactly. I really hope that moving forward they make the episodes longer
Yeah, it would have made for a great cold open in the last ep.
Nah, what was said in this scene is basically said in the beginning of episode 6.
I like that in all the scenes that set in the past Fisk always wears black wen in present he wears White like he did in daredevil where he was not wearing comic book accurate White until the final season it's a nice attention to details
Just not the hat. He should never have worn the hat.
@@losely451 The hat and shirt was a reference to one of his many comic variant outfits Vincent wanted to bring to the screen.
@@xanderm6090 The shirt was in the comics yes, but not the hat. Either way I was fine with the shirt, but the hat took me completely out of the show.
@@losely451 the hat is from the comics too
@@CaioCCordeiro Really where? Even so it was a bad decision for the comics too I have a hard time believing that Frank Miller would ever have Fisk wearing a hat.
Honestly im glad Clints getting the recognition he deserves. Honestly thought that this show would poke fun at the fact that no one knows who Hawkeye is except for Kate.
Why would they not know who he is. He’s a guy fighting armies of aliens with a bow and arrow. That’ll get you as much recognition as a guy who flies around in a suit of armor. If he was just a guy with a gun, everyone would forget who he is.
@@sakonan4883 but unlike Tony he was an agent of Shield. His whole job was about Secrecy and stealth. The only reason people knew widow because she went in front of the government.
@@Emanuel-oo6mc all the Avengers were public heroes the moment they fought in New York. No one knew who Black Widow was until the battle of New York either.
What u mean this show is kate show, not hawkeye show
Nah there were scenes where general people seems to know him
Kate is giving ant man vibes from when they asked for a picture with hulk instead of him
He's more afraid of that old lady than he is of Thanos
@Paraone Ngatai I was talking about the aunt in the apartment
You notice how Fisk doesn’t have a Turkey neck, in the flashback like he does in the present day. Good detail.
I understand why the Fisk scene was cut. At the end he says that as soon as Eleanor pays off her late husband's debt she's done, but then in the show he tries to kill her for backing out after she's already payed her debt and more. It makes him seem like he went back on his word, which isn't beyond him as seen with the Punisher debacle but also isn't something he regularly does with his associates. I doubt he would have done something like that to Leland or Gao.
Certainly not Gao. Leland maybe.
We don't know if kingpin is really trying to kill eleanor. He just wanted to talk he said and why he didn't use kate as hostage. I think he's considering Eleanor's worries about her daughter and he didn't intended to kill kate as long as she's working for him. This is a stretched, I know.
"also isn't something he regularly does with his associates."
Really? Gao is the only one he didn't do that to.
@@alphanerd7221 Fisk was very clear with Leland and Gao, the brothers he only lied to after being embarrassed in front of Vanessa, and he manipulated Nobu into fighting Matt with no guarantee that he would die or even be the one to fight. The only times he hasn't kept his word that I ca remember off of the top of my head are the brothers after a perceived slight and Frank.
@@absolutecarnage777 He totally tried to snow Leland and "after being embarrassed in front of Vanessa" isn't even close to an excuse. I don't know what you are trying to say about Naboo but The kingpin got them to fight in the hopes that Nobu would die.
Gao is the only person he isn't deceptive toward.
WHY TF WOULD ANYONE THINK DELETING THAT KINGPIN DINNER SCENE WAS A GOOD IDEA?!
maybe it would have ruined the reveal
That Fisk scene was straight outta Daredevil season 1.
I’m pretty sure that scene took place during that timeframe.
He doesn’t even look like his current bulky state.
@@Neoxon619 It took place in 2012. Daredevil is 2015.
@starfreak2349 You sure? He's got the padding under the suit, and the bts shows that they had Vera sit on a box to make Vincent look taller even when sitting.
Would've taken this one scene with Fisk over every other Fisk scene combined.
*In Hawkeye
Yeah seriously they clearly understood the character based on these scenes but turned him into a joke in the actual show. Confusion.
I can't wait to see Matt realized Fisk broke their deal
how
@@InitialAA they had a deal if Fisk tell the world who Daredevil is, or hurt Foggy and Karen, Matt will go after his wife
@@roarmbee7045 I know. They made this deal in the end of S3. But how and when did Fisk break it? I don't remember seeing anything like that in Hawkeye.
@@InitialAA Fisk is put of prison. That alone shatters the deal.
@@SprattieGaming oh. right.
I understand all the disappointment and fears about the tone. But with that aside, I'm really happy for these actors (Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox) that they're now going to be able to interact with the wider MCU. I know they're excited about it. Maybe a few tonal sacrifices, but overall exciting.
The good thing about deleted scenes is the actors and extras still get paid for a day's work!
Employee: How many do you need?
Clint: How many do you got?
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0:03 is Clint looking at Spider-Man? (Just listen to the noise in the background...)
After so many years he's still terrifying
It had been 3 lol
This is why Daredevil has 13 episodes. This whole show was rushed like a half baked cake.
Funny you say that because one of THE primary complaints about all the Marvelflix shows back then was that they dragged on and had too many episodes.
DD never had that complaint except for maybe one episode. It was always considered a masterpiece of tv.
@@Life_and_Gaming THE OTHERS mabe and the 2 season where whe got an overdose of ninjas
@@Life_and_Gaming well 13 epiodes of 55 minutes for 40 millon budget..or 6 of 40 minutes episodes for 165 MILLONS
It doesn't need to be 13 episodes though. Daredevil came closer than the other shows to justifying it, but even that had filler moments (Ellison setting up Karen Page was boring and pointless for example). 10 episodes is the happy medium.
Both the bommerang and Dinner with Fisk scenes, should've been kept in
Ese vincen donofrio que actoraso con ese papel se destaco.
Damn it. So need a Hawkeye vs Kingpin scene. They should make a season 2 so we can see that happen and also Hawkeye vs Bullseye as well.
Deleting the Fisk scenes was the right call. It worked to preserve that twist until late.
This actually feels like the Wilson Fisk we knew in Daredevil Netflix series. Don't know why they deleted this scene.
Because it's redundant. The topic of conversation in this scene was done in their present-day conversation, so there's no narrative reason to keep this one.
I need see a team-up with Clint Barton, Matt Murdock, Marc Spector, Frank Castle and Wade Wilson (Con sus respectivos alter egos)☠
The Fisk scene should have stayed.
Why Marvel deleted arrow shop scene?
That scene is good.
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I really wanna see this boomerang arrow lol I know it’s gonna happen
omg why weren’t these in there
Hope we get the deleted Fisk scenes in Echo
Actually i find most of it pretty relevant, wish it wasn't cut
I saw a screenshot of a clip where Kingpin is in a suit but has a bowtie, but I can't find the actual deleted scene it's from. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
Seriously? kate really expected that guy to know her? 🙄
Her family owns a big business in new York and are very wealthy. It wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for someone to notice her from that
@@LadyHarley Perhaps. But not everyone will know you, no matter how famous you are.
In the Fisk and Elenor scene they mention her husband and about getting rid of him does that mean she killed him and he didn't die during the attack? cause ik there is a theory behind that
All these…wtf….should have stayed! WHO EDITED THE SHOW?!?
WHAT THE FUCK IS MARVELS PROBLEM CUTTING ALL THE IMPORTANT SCENES FROM THE FINAL PRODUCT?? while this scene isnt INTEGRAL to the storyline, we need as much D'Onofrio screen time as possible
They wanted to reintroduce both Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk during the same week NWH and The Hawkeye Finale were released, which makes sense. It was all supposed to be a surprise for the fans.
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That wasn't Zachary Levi, was it?
As good as this scene is, I’m glad that they deleted it and saved Fisk for the end.
I'm pretty sure this would've been saved for the finale. But it's redundant regardless due to the fact that this serves to explain why Eleanor works for him, which was already done at the beginning of episode 6.
Heyyy he's not wearing his tropical outfit
That's because the dinner scene took place much earlier in the Timeline. It would've happened all the way back during the Netflix Daredevil timeline (2015-2018). Hawkeye takes place after the blip which would explain why Kingpin seems different. He underwent some kind of change during that period. He might have taken some black market serum.
@@BlueSparkzVideos pretty sure this scene takes place BEFORE the daredevil show, 2012
@@horseoperamarker You're right. It was a few years before the show which still perfectly explains why he has his Netflix style.
@@BlueSparkzVideos he was still working with Rigeletto.
They should have had a Wilson seanse at the end of each episode
They should've had two extra episodes. One earlier in the season showcasing Clint's origin and other in between episodes 5 and 6 to place more focus on Fisk, the show's main antagonist. Imagine having actual time to see why Clint feared Kingpin getting involved before the season finale? We also could've had a continuation to that police detective side plot that was somehow forgotten.
@@bryanrogers5648 tbf a mini series sopranos like of Fisks rise would be amazing
i'm confused so they deleted this scene because it was too fancy?
It’s understandable why they cut it. But that’s kinda the problem. Did it make narrative sense? Or do they just cut because they wanted to do the surprise because they gave more importance to the reveal then the actual story.
If you're talking about the Fisk scene, then truth be told, it's cause it's kind of redundant. His introductory scene at the beginning of episode 6 already tackled the topics of this scene. Maybe if their present-day conversation was exclusively about her desire to leave, then I could see this staying.
They should have deleted the whole movie.
It wasn’t a movie, and the show was fire as fuck, weirdo
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Kingpin is S+ tier marvel villain you can’t kill him off his first appearance in the MCU that’s just stupid
he's not dead
He's dead???
He ended up blind like in the comics, Maya shot him in the eyes.
Figures. They cut risks scenes or ones with Clint just to make.more room for echo, Kate and Yelena. 🙄
Clint has plenty of screen time and those 3 are important characters
Clint deserved more. Poor guy. Echo is already getting her own show, why did she have to get so big role here. And kate and yelena will probably stick around for a while. They could've had their own shit later. This really should've been Clint’s time to shine, but no.
Yelena is in two episodes, what the fuck is this sexist comment?
The main issue with Fisk is that D’Onofrio has no chemistry with anyone in this show’s cast. They should have had him change up his performance a little bit. The MCU is good at having everyone interact and be consistent with their portrayals but this is something that should have been changed. This also shows how good Marvel Studios’ casting is that everyone can interact smoothly. You can tell D’Onofrio was not casted by Marvel Studios.
Nah man.....his portrayal of Kingpin is perfect....
@@garvbakshi6873 perfect for Daredevil. In Hawkeye, he feels like a cartoon character. And again, he has no chemistry with any character on this show. That is bad no matter how good of an actor you are.
@@sakonan4883 Only when he put on that stupid hat, then he turned into the Kingpin from the Spider-Man Saturday morning cartoon in the 90's.
Because they were trying to be consistent with daredevil.
@@losely451 he already was. Something about his character really does not fit into Hawkeye.
I know people love this actor for kingpin but honestly I think his voice sounds so forced and he doesn’t have the presence I expect from king pin
Have you seen Daredevil?
@@brentsteinke4920 obv not
What? Have you ever seen Daredevil at all? Season 1 and 3 alone are better than any Disney + show even now.
@@foodwich2132 Wandavision is much better than Season 3 at lest.
@@alphanerd7221 Please explain because I genuinely find it hard to see why someone would think that, unless you're mixing season 2 and 3 up. And if that's the case you're absolutely right. But how? I mean WandaVision has a CGI borefest showdown while Daredevil's mid-season fight is this hype shit:
ua-cam.com/video/y1K86U0nO7w/v-deo.html
Also Daredevil 3 has better acting and story all round. Karen's confrontation with Fisk alone is better than the entirety of WandaVision.