Nonsense. Try as you may the pre tribulation rapture fans will never be able to make the pieces fit. The church is on the earth during the tribulation, which is the wrath of Satan. Just like Jesus said to Peter "get behind me Satan" is what we need to start telling the pre trib teachers. I can show you in Rev exactly where the rapture of the church is. But it is a waste of time.
I appreciate your comment and your willingness to engage in this discussion. It's important to have respectful conversations, even when we disagree. That said, just to be clear, it is most certainly God's wrath - Revelation uses the term "wrath" 11 times and 10 times it speaks of God's wrath. Only once is it used for Satan's wrath.
Read 2 Thessalonians it clearly says that the day of the lord doesn’t happen until the man of sin is revealed and he stands in the temple and declares himself to be god that’s midway through the tribulation
True - but you skipped a bunch of other things that scripture says: "For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God." Hence, it actually says that the day of the Lord does not come until first the rebellion comes (ie: the apostate church) and the man of sin is revealed. That happens when he makes the peace agreement with the many (Dan 9:27), which is the beginning of the Tribulation period. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. God bless...
There is no such thing as a rapture. If there were, it would be clearly stated in Mark 13, Revelation, and Matthew 24 where God tells us how the end times will happen and there is no mention of any rapture. In fact, the Rapture is refuted in Isaiah 52:12 and Ezekiel 13:20.
I'm going to politely disagree with you. Your argument is not really valid. For example - is God love? It only at the end of the first century AD, near the end of the Bible, when John writes 1 John 4:16, which is the only time the specific words, "God is love" is found in the Bible. After all, prior to this He had the Israelites destroy all the nations in Canaan and turned He turned His back on Israel. By your logic, God cannot be love. Your mistake is thinking that something you deem as critical and important isn't found in scripture where you think it would be obvious. But God doesn't work by our logic. Just because it isn't written in the gospels doesn't make it not true. The rapture is clear from 1 Cor 15:50-57 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 - that's twice as many mentions in the word of God than the fact that God is love. But just because "God is love" is only mentioned once and never by Jesus, does not take anything away from the fact that God is love. Nor does it take away from the fact that the rapture is coming. Thanks for sharing. God bless...
you have completely misunderstood Corinthians 15. What those verses mean is that when Jesus arrives on earth we ALL will be changed into our spiritual bodies and the new Millenium will begin. There will be no more flesh bodies on the face of the earth at that time, It has nothing to do with a rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4 is where the Thessalonians asked Paul where their friends and relatives have gone after they die. There is nothing in here that refers to a rapture. How do you explain then that the rapture isn't mentioned in Matthew 24, Mark 13, or Revelation?@@davidtue9701
Nonsense. Try as you may the pre tribulation rapture fans will never be able to make the pieces fit. The church is on the earth during the tribulation, which is the wrath of Satan. Just like Jesus said to Peter "get behind me Satan" is what we need to start telling the pre trib teachers. I can show you in Rev exactly where the rapture of the church is. But it is a waste of time.
I appreciate your comment and your willingness to engage in this discussion. It's important to have respectful conversations, even when we disagree. That said, just to be clear, it is most certainly God's wrath - Revelation uses the term "wrath" 11 times and 10 times it speaks of God's wrath. Only once is it used for Satan's wrath.
Srsly Wtf?
Read 2 Thessalonians it clearly says that the day of the lord doesn’t happen until the man of sin is revealed and he stands in the temple and declares himself to be god that’s midway through the tribulation
True - but you skipped a bunch of other things that scripture says: "For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God." Hence, it actually says that the day of the Lord does not come until first the rebellion comes (ie: the apostate church) and the man of sin is revealed. That happens when he makes the peace agreement with the many (Dan 9:27), which is the beginning of the Tribulation period. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. God bless...
Bull x 200000000000000
There is no such thing as a rapture. If there were, it would be clearly stated in Mark 13, Revelation, and Matthew 24 where God tells us how the end times will happen and there is no mention of any rapture. In fact, the Rapture is refuted in Isaiah 52:12 and Ezekiel 13:20.
I'm going to politely disagree with you. Your argument is not really valid. For example - is God love? It only at the end of the first century AD, near the end of the Bible, when John writes 1 John 4:16, which is the only time the specific words, "God is love" is found in the Bible. After all, prior to this He had the Israelites destroy all the nations in Canaan and turned He turned His back on Israel. By your logic, God cannot be love. Your mistake is thinking that something you deem as critical and important isn't found in scripture where you think it would be obvious. But God doesn't work by our logic. Just because it isn't written in the gospels doesn't make it not true. The rapture is clear from 1 Cor 15:50-57 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 - that's twice as many mentions in the word of God than the fact that God is love. But just because "God is love" is only mentioned once and never by Jesus, does not take anything away from the fact that God is love. Nor does it take away from the fact that the rapture is coming. Thanks for sharing. God bless...
you have completely misunderstood Corinthians 15. What those verses mean is that when Jesus arrives on earth we ALL will be changed into our spiritual bodies and the new Millenium will begin. There will be no more flesh bodies on the face of the earth at that time, It has nothing to do with a rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4 is where the Thessalonians asked Paul where their friends and relatives have gone after they die. There is nothing in here that refers to a rapture. How do you explain then that the rapture isn't mentioned in Matthew 24, Mark 13, or Revelation?@@davidtue9701
One other thing, show me in the Bible where the word "Rapture" is. It doesn't exist.
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