What's scary about Neo Metal's copy ability is that he doesn't just copy your techniques, but your whole ass bio data, meaning he gets EVERYTHING from you. So the second he sees Cell, he's got not just his techniques, but his ability to use Ki, and his fucking regeneration as well.
Not just Cell’s data, but the Dragon Warriors/Z Fighters too since Cell is an amalgamation of their DNA, along with Frieza and King Cold. He wouldn’t have access to just Cell’s regeneration, but also everyone’s techniques, and hypothetically Frieza’s potential due to copying the DNA. It’s crazy to think about that lmao
@@titaniumstar1772 I’m saying. And while Cell has the potential to do so, he’s long dead and I’d argue Metal Sonic has more hax and abilities that could give him an edge
@Abner-gu3ve unless deathbattle pulls a "gotcha" moment and say cell max and perfect cell are the same beings (they arent) then cell is still solar system at best
@ Cell likely before he died was definitely solar system level. Metal Sonic who’s scales relative to Sonic who has multi dimensional and feats that surpass space and time would likely have an edge over Cell. And his ability to copy bio data? That makes him even more broken
To be fair hes only considered perfect because he had cells of some of earths top fighters. Those fighters can be and were surpassed in their own universe Heck put cell in marvel, dc, saint seiya, heck Megaman starforce, and theyd dog him.
@Elio11492 Yea Even then namekian regen fatigues u as it costs energy, saiyans are great but need higher tiers of training and damage with recovery to grow And freiza potential, while great, cant eclipse everyone. Love how Broly beat that man for an entire hour and didnt get bored😂
@@Abner-gu3ve It's not, CD Metal Sonic scales to CD Sonic who transcended transfinite and archetypal time and spacetime, this alone would be high-outer due to the Sonic cosmology [and transcending spacetime] which also gives him Irrelevant speed
@@inksinkanimates8921 oh nahhh, I forgot about that. I be forgetting Sonic and other characters like Metal been powerful even since the early Genesis days 😂
People sleep on Metal Sonic too much because he loses often, ignoring the fact that Sonic and other characters are just built different. Metal Sonic FAR exceeds Cell and can basically do anything he can but better. Thank you for putting some respect on my favorite Sonic character's name.
To basically shed some light since you mentioned you arent too familiar with sonic scaling. Time eater is stronger than solaris. Solaris is a being who was stated to and was literally about to consume and erase all of existance throughout every exiting timeline throughout the multiverse. Basically infinite timelines of infinite universes that contain multiple pocket dimensions and many other things like that. Time eater was stated superior to such as he was not only successful in acheiving basically the same thing although via only consuming time and not all matter as well. And was further upgraded by eggman. Infinite upscales all previous sonic villains at the time which includes the time eater and solaris. Not just that but with the energy of the reality/perception warping phantom ruby he wields it was blatantly stated in the Japanese (the original dub) version of the game that infinite had the power to make up to all of eggmans previous losses a trillionfold. Which basically implies infinite was at least 1 trillion times stronger than the 2 cosmic horrors I just mentioned. Even if you ignore that the english dub basically says the same thing just lowballing the number to a thousandfold. 1000x which is still impressive regardless. And basically modern metal sonic is still on par if not superior to base sonic who should be perfectly capable of mopping the floor with infinite no diff. And with his neo and super neo form he should be comparsble to frontiers sonic who can fight and defeated The End who is a being so strong it was in comprehensively stronger than sonic and all his prior foes to an unquantifiable degree and even a buffed super sonic struggled against him and was forced to unlock what's essentially Super Sonic 2 to beat him. And he still struggled. The end should basically be a super dimensional hyper being above everything ever shown prior. And would put At least The real sonic up to 5th to 6th dimensional. Metal sonic should only be a bit behind in his stronger forms so metal is 5D bordering on 6D.
@@nobodys_here07time Eater brought back Solaris despite it being erased from the timeline. Mephilies shouldn't exist but does through time eaters powers.
@@Mapple-qp6yg You could argue that Time Eater messing with time and space, and altering Sonic's history would've messed up the events which would lead to Solaris becoming erased. Hence, Solaris would've never been erased, and the events of 06 was able to re-manifest back into white space. It seemed unlikely that bringing back Mephiles or Iblis seemed intentional. Even in-game, unlike the other Boss Gates, Mephiles' was more hidden underground and required the most amount of keys to access almost as if the Time Eater was doing its best to keep him sealed away.
1. Solaris tore a rift through space-time and was stated to be able to destroy all existing timelines OVER TIME, it kinda frustrates me that people keep overlooking this obvious fact as this is even backed up through the guides and Encyclo-speed-ia that state Solaris at best is a threat to the multiverse at a very slow pace. 2. Forgive me if I've missed something but I've never heard of Time Eater being stronger than Solaris. Again maybe I'm missing something but I don't think that's actually true. 3. Infinite being "the strongest enemy Sonic has ever faced" has been debunked many times before but let's be generous and say he actually is stronger than Solaris. The problem is base Sonic doesn't even scale to him since he had to team up with the Forces OC in order to defeat Infinite and even then Infinite was still weakened before that battle had taken place. None of this upscales Sonic or any other character to multiversal or higher in their base forms especially since in later games like Frontiers Sonic destroying half a mountain is still considered to be an impressive feat for him.
Here’s the thing, cell hasn’t shown up in the series since z (not counting heroes) and has been far surpassed. While metal sonic has always showed and been keeping up with current sonic.
@ what did I do? Look at my pfvp. I’m barely know anything about sonic and everything about DB. I only stated this so that way people know who is stornger. Plus it’s not like it’s impossible for cell to win. If we use composite character rules cell prob will win maybe.
3:50 Eggman didn't make Infinite or Time Eater, and Metal Sonic being Eggman's greatest creation has been stated long before either Infinite or Time Eater were in the picture. Putting Metal above them is fine, but I think that particular reasoning is wack.
Infinite being more powerful then the Time Eater is MASSIVE cap considering how sorry he went out in Sonic Forces, as well as just how his powers work in general. Also, the Time Eater can only destroy one timeline at a time, not all at once. This doesn't really change anything, as I do think even even destroying a single Sonic universe is more impressive then anything that could be reasonably argued for Perfect Cell, but saying that kind of scaling can be applied to Metal Sonic's base form is ... unlikely, to say the least.
It was stated, and implied very much so, that Infinite in Forces was the strongest villain they had gone up against. It’s really not too far fetched to use that line of scaling at all considering Sonic, as well as Shadow recently, have beaten enemies that they had once needed their super forms for, in their base. Good examples are: Sonic stomping Perfect Chaos, Shadow beating Metal Overlord, and in said game Sonic and Shadow beyond a benefit of the doubt scale to each other (edit: also you can’t just blatantly rule out pretty definitive scaling because of Forces’ garbage writing)
@@buggerboogus The problem is that the statement itself doesn't say that Infinite is stronger then the Time Eater. It just says that he's "Sonic's most powerful enemy yet." The statement doesn't make it clear if it's referring to The most powerful enemy SUPER Sonic has ever fought or the most powerful enemy BASE Sonic has ever fought. Heck, what they mean by "most powerful" is open to interpretation. By definition, "power" could just mean their influence over others as opposed to their physical capabilities, which I'm more inclined to believe matches Infinite closer considering how the Phantom Ruby's abilities actually work what with it being able to manipulate people's perceptions on a planetary-wide scale. Basically, a planet-wide Kyoka Suigetsu. I'm not completely against the idea of Infinite being physically more powerful then the Time Eater, but using this one statement or Eggman saying that with the Phantom Ruby, he "won't even need to bother with the Master Emerald" as proof that Infinite can physically one-shot a universe buster without the Phantom Ruby manipulating that universe-buster's perceptions seems like a massive stretch.
I mean Jiren was up scaled from Infinite Zamasu via this same exact statement that he was “the strongest enemy Goku had faced” If Jiren who doesn’t have direct feats of being stronger than Infinite Zamasu can be scaled like that, Infinite should as well
@@axiom6000 Ian confirmed that the statement about Infinite being the strongest enemy was just marketing fluff, and that's why it's not said in the actual game. He verbatim said that Infinite is nowhere near the league of Solaris or Time Eater. This was in the August 15th 2022 episode of his podcast called Bumblecast
@ Yeah so you understand that IS stated in the game. Eggman says Infinite surpasses all his previous plans by a thousandfold. So not only is Ian wrong about it not being stated in the game, Eitaro Toyoda, one of Ian’s BOSSES says and I quote: Questioner: “Hello Mr.Toyoda. I have a question about Sonic Forces: in extra official material on a website Infinite is called the most powerful enemy Sonic has faced yet and in the game an ultimate weapon by Eggman (Eggman's masterpiece?) so are these pieces of information true?” Eitaro Toyoda: “At the time of SONIC FORCES, Eggman certainly said so, and he utilized Infinite as his most powerful weapon. However, Eggman gave up on him early on in the end of the story and even took away the Phantom Ruby. Eggman's true intentions are always unclear and shrouded in mystery :)” Toyoda literally says Eggman believed Infinite to be his strongest and ultimate weapon, but gave up on him later into the game.
@@SuperiorGokuGT dawg your name and pfp already shows what typa person you are, neo metal sonic doesnt only copy your ability, it COPIES YOUR BIO DATA, which is essentially everything that makes you up and iirc, he got hit in the face by someone and straight up copied their bio data, how the hell does cell blinks the sonic verse??
@@whitneysimonetti3847 Just ignoring the fact Metal can match or surpass Sonic who's surpassed light speed back in Colours? Or were you too desperate to use a pfp as an insult to figure that out?
@@whitneysimonetti3847 Sonic's speed at this point is pretty much immesurable given what Generations tell us Still not helping Cell against Metal given all the abilities he's copied like Chaos Control and from what Rivals tells us he could definitely copy Silver's power like psychokinesis and Espio's invisibility
You know... Regardless of how borked the scaling is, this is actually a pretty thematically fitting match-up. Both the ultimate creation of a mad scientist, both made to be better than their respective hero, both utter powerhouses in their own right... They even share the habit of getting "Mini-Me"s (The Cell Jr.s, and the whole Brotherhood of Metallix). Metal and Cell really do feel like they were cast from a similar mold. Both randomly even have a "Giant crimson monster form", what with Cell Max and Metal Sonic Kai.
Cell: So… you must be the legendary Metal Sonic. Hmhmhm, im exited to prove our strength in battl- Metal Sonic: **Creates a 220 kiloton blast** Cell: *HGAAAHGG-*
Metal Sonic is about to slap Cell in canon his best feats are stated to be Solar System to low level Multi Solar System, meanwhile Metal Sonic scales to Sonic (a Multiversal character)
Anime is canon cell in the anime can be argued universal not saying he wins here just saying the anime scaling for some reason is stronger than the manga scaling, probably for dramatic effect. It might be confusing but the manga and anime thanks to super is basically two different interpretations/continuities meaning the scaling will drastically vary as there is anime only stuff that scales to the anime. It was a weird decision honestly
It's even worse for Cell because Metal Sonic can just copy him, and then he gets Cell's powers too. So even if Cell was stronger, Metal will just adapt to him and beat him
"Life form data. Successfully copied" If Cell has any advantages over Neo Metal, he would have to destroy Metal before that data gets copied. I don't see that happening.
@@PicoNewgroundsZ We actually don't know how long it takes since we don't know when he starts copying the data. For all we know Metal was observing and copying data all through the boss fight preceding the cutscenes when he copies the data.
Cell: ha! If a android don't beat what is the diference with a robot of a animal? Haha!! Metal sonic: individual copy, ki habilities copied, perfection surpassed. Cell: wait...what? Metal: *desintegrate cell* People forget that the power scalling in sonic is so big
The solar system in Dragon ball is referring to a galactic nebula on the outskirts of the north galaxy. North galaxy being a Quadrant galaxy with infinite celestial bodies making it infinite in size and making the solar system universal in size. And for a lowball multi solar system + . So cell can rang from multi solar system level to universal . With the mid ball being galaxy level. So universal cell isn't that much of a wank given that in the the solar system in Dragon ball is an extremely large galactic nebula and all the statements from the anime making universal cell more believable. Metal sonic still slams though.
One of the daizenshu's confirm what a solar system is in terms of scale which is called a nebulae which from my memory in the world of db can hold a couple of galaxy. So just for a highball let's say the average DB nebulae is 100 galaxies. Insane highball I know you say cell could be universal but sadly characters never actually reach that level until at most battle of gods with ssg, beerus, & golden frieze and at least buu saga with, kid buu/buuhan being the only ones possible of just blipping the universe from existence. But that sadly does not compare to the universal level of power of the chaos emeralds and the master emerald. While yes the sonic universe is much smaller than the dragon ball universe. Comparing power output metal sonic in super neo would be thousands if not millions of times stronger than that of perfect cell Add on metal sonics bio data copy which could allow him to copy anything cell could do while cells abilities were more or less pre built into him I doubt he'd be able to copy anything metal could do as cell has only been able to be shown to copy ki techniques and biological powers like piccolo's regeneration and the saiyans zenki boosts. But metal could copy shadows chaos powers and silvers esp without actually having the energy to have it in the first place
@@john_negs7720 there is no real evidence to suggest this. The story books are definitely their own worlds but theres no real reason to suggest they are actually apart of sonics universe. at most they are more like Blaze's dimension, separate from sonics universe. sense we have no real understanding of how big his universe is the best we can do is compare it to our universe observable universe. add on that Videl comments that Heaven is as large as a universe, which is within Dragonballs universe seven it is much much much larger than that of our own universe with calcs ranging from at least 2 times larger to some calcs going to the thousands. though even if we were to compare both Metal and Cell's power Metal still triumphs over cell
@ the story books are implied to be apart of maginary world which is apart of Sonic’s universe and even if we grant that they’re still apart of the same cosmology so either way they’re still apart of the multiverse.
@@john_negs7720 yeah they're apart of the sonic multiverse. im not disputing that. more or less just that there is no real evidence to suggest they're truly within sonics universe as sonic was transported to both the land of king Arthur and Arabian knights via magic. kinda like how most use other series use magic/technology to bring characters to other universes
Metal can do anything sonic can, If Super Sonic can take down a Solaris, then Super metal can do the same, and cell is COOKED the second he hears "Perfect Cell Bio-Data Copied"
So who else can't wait for all the dragon Ball power scalars to watch this video and say "Cell is actually multiversal and outer" no joke people actually believe that.............drip sauce
@@Light-qs1qkHe has no proof just wanks😂 drip sauce the biggest db meat rider I have seen Dude said that Goku beat’s Superman like how can you even take that guy seriously!?💀
@@Light-qs1qk regardless if he does have proof, my guy neo metal sonic copied shadow's bio data just by seeing him once(we dont know if its instant or not, and if it isnt then Cell HAS to murder Metal before he can copy his bio data), and mind you, Sonic iirc is Multiversal, and Metal scales up to Sonic as well Cell better destroy Metal faster than he's ever been if he gets the knowledge that Neo Metal Sonic can copy not only your abilities, but your BIO DATA, which includes his Ki, regeneration and so much more essentially the Perfect has to destroy someone who's beyond Perfection before it's too late
@@Light-qs1qkits called COPYING, not ANALYZING iirc and besides, that's CELLS BIO DATA Neo Metal Sonic is copying And what does Bio mean? Biological, meaning the living cells that makes you up iirc
eggman is beautiful, what the hell are you on. all that BLUBBLER is made to keep him protected everytime sonic spins into a ball and destroys his egg mobile. his true body is even better tthan M. Tyson's trust me. he's so handsome and stuff. 3:27
If this actually somehow becomes a Death Battle episode, get ready for the Sonic fans being insufferable about their character winning and the Dragonball fans sending death threats to Death Battle.
This makes a lot of sense, if you think about where the characters are in the timeline. Cell was a mid-game enemy, one that pushed the relatively new idea of Super Sayain to the limits. Metal Sonic was, and still is, the strongest thing Eggman has ever made. Metal Sonic is an Endgame threat to Sonic, much closer in proportional difficulty to something like Moro or Super Broly. Further, Cell had a single arc to do stuff in, but Metal Sonic has been kicking around for going on 30 years of content. Comparing the two is like comparing Goku and Superman... Hm...
6:00 I don’t wanna sound like a nerd, but the Maximum Overdrive thing is seen on regular Metal Sonic, and in his first appearance, which is also his weakest appearance strength-wise
OK to correct something here infinite has no feats that proofs he is above time eater. time eater it needed two super sonics to put down time eater and infinite. Got took down by two base forms sonics. and the players avatar.
@@ItsB1998 ian called solaris being the strongest even above the end, and also said sonic isnt faster than light in base. His oppinions are arguable even though hes a writter
Sonic said himself and proved multiple times he gets stroger every battle. If statements isnt enough His best feat creating nullspace (infinite sized dimension with no space or time) is arguably on time eaters lvl
@@Shd001 Solaris being the strongest enemy isn't wrong though? He literally has the greatest feats out of all of Sonic's foes, it isn't contradicted by The End thinking he was stronger because he didn't exist in the same timeline. Also The End's claim that he was infinite while Sonic's past foes were finite is blatantly wrong via scaling and makes it unreliable of a claim in general. The claim of Sonic's base speed being below light is definitely more contentious, but it actually is backed up by several things. The Sonic Channel story with Sonic and Metal Sonic said that they were having a race to see who had the "higher speed of sound," and it also has Super Sonic diffusing eggman devices across the world in a couple of seconds, which obviously would be much quicker if he was already faster than light in base. The Super Smash Bros trophy for Sonic also backs this feat up, as it says as Super Sonic he's *nearly* the speed of light. Sonic Frontiers has Eggman say that Sonic achievement Mach 1 was impressive, and IDW again has Whisper say "but you were fine with the hedgehog that can ran at mach 1 for funsies?" So definitely a consistent lower than light speed theme with base Sonic. This is consistent at least in the narrative department. Gameplay is at story. But in the end the story is the canon, the gameplay is not, meaning Ian's claim wouldn't be contradicted.
@@be7256 the grand stars have the power to create a universe and destroy a universe but if that doesn’t convince you then check out Bowser‘s Dreamstone
You know with there's large amounts of new information that we're now given about how strong Sonic is at this rate I kind of want to know if he has surpassed his archery counterpart is game Sonic stronger than Archie Sonic that could be a video idea or already relative
This will not end well when it comes to sonic and dragon ball both fans will disagree on what the other has presented and deny eachothers defence some will be logical others random shit. There's no middle ground you will be consider a dragon ball down player or sonic down player and people believe you are just glazing the side you're on, and might be not gonna lie. But for those who enjoy seeing the chaos unfold with these fans... well then hello gentlemen 😈
I agree with the results but i don't agree with the Met Sonic scaling at all I don't think he scales to time eater at all as the Infinite statement is only talking about tge enemies in that game specifically (and it would make no sense to say Sonic went from weaker than Super Classic Sonic to above his latest Super form when there is inly ine game different between forces and generations) not that i have a problem with universal Metal Sonic , just that the reason for if is whacky As for speed , the infinite speed Sonic scan comes from a magazine (gaming magazines are not like guide books or good sources) and Infinite can mean just a veryong distance , additionally i believe its never stated that he crossed the whole thing but i could be wrong , as for time eater we are shown that he travels through time by creating portals and in Sonic X Shadow Generations we are tols that Time Eater absorbs the Energy of the Dimension so Sonic bringing it back shouldn't be Immeasurable speed Again , i don't disagree with the result , i scale Metal Sonic in his New Super form at Low Complex Multiversal with MFTL to Infinite/Immeasurable speed and i scale Manga Cell to MFTL and Solar System level while Anime Cell should be at BEST High infinite Universal and MFTL to Infinite speed which has him get cooked by Metal Sonic either way. OverAll good video.
This depends on which version of metal we are talking about like games metal sonic base vs perfect cell it would mean cell beating metal probably high diff he speed and and weapons so but if we talking neo metal sonic vs super perfect cell in easy way neo low diffs
Drip doesn't like covering Sonic scaling for whatever reason but he did say Cell could be multiversal or higher in his "how strong is Goku without guides" video. Not saying I agree with him or anything but that's what he thinks
Most sonic characters do, (specifically the big 3, sonic,shadow and silver) stomp dbz characters, hercule doesnt stand a chance, nor any other character that isnt a planet buster.
@@SunHyperion They really don't, most Sonic characters are varying levels of "can smash several meters of stone and dirt" and "runs several hundred miles per hour", which is just pretty blatantly unimpressive by Dragon Ball standards.
We should stop asking "But can he beat Goku tho?" and start asking "But can he beat Sonic tho?" like seriously, I thought it was just the Archie Comics that had busted feats, but even game continuity is OP holy shit.
First off, "greatest" doesn't automatically mean strongest. Secondly, Infinite is not an Eggman creation.. he's an actual person that utilizes the Phantom Ruby..which is also not made by Eggman. And finally, Infinite being the "most powerful enemy" was confirmed to be marketing hyperbole, and that Time Eater and Solaris are in an *entirely* different league above him. Source: Bumblecast Q&A August 2022. This entire scale is fundamentally flawed in everything except the speed department. Maybe Metal Sonic could beat Cell with raw speed, but he's not harming him from raw strength alone. Hell Sonic got his leg broken just from a plane crash. He's not universal or any type of celestial buster either.
Greatest LITERALLY means strongest in that context, greatest would mean he is superior to all of eggman's other creations. Metal even has the feats to show it, due to being able to scale and stay on par with sonic. Infinite is an eggman creation, as this would refer to the phantom ruby (which infinite is powered by). The first point entirely debunks your third point as metal sonic being the greatest eggman creation would mean he would STILL scale above time eater. And Infinite beat sonic in base in the intro to forces. This would still mean Infinite > Time Eater, thus metal sonic still wins off of that scaling alone.
We also gonna talk about goku getting scrapped from a bullet, or him being harmed by a laser beam from a basic frieza soldier? We don't take extreme low end moments and use them to say a character caps at that level. If anything those instances are outliers that should be ignored.
@krazki7785 Literally nothing says the context of greater is about strength in this case. What you just told me is an assumption. Eggman did not create the phantom Ruby as I already said. Eggman did not create the time eater either. You're in dire need of looking up the definition of the word create
@@krazki7785 No one ignores Goku getting hurt by bullets or lasers though. Difference between Goku and Sonic is that Goku actually has a talked about weakness of his ki lowering when he's off guard. Sonic has no established weakness like that nor Ki.
@@ItsB1998 By that case, yours is an assumption too. Eggman never specifies greatest has something other than power, and once again what else is greatest going to mean in every context eggman says it? He literally did create the phantom ruby. There were several prototypes of it as well. While yes he didn't create the time eater, BUT he did gain control of it and considers it as one of his creations.
Metal Overlord alone scales above Post SA2 Super Sonic since he needed Tails and Knuckles to do a triple attack just to harm Metal Overlord, plus with Shadow Generations Metal Overlord scales a bit below Generations Sonic, and thats without going into Super Neo Metal Sonic
Okay, this is a common misconception, but Cell doesn't have all the DNA of the Z Fighters. Does he use some of their moves? Yes, as we have seen. However, he has been confirmed to only contain the DNA of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza, and King Cold. So, please, remember this
seen this somewhere else but im pretty sure its like
Cell: "I was made to be PERFECT!"
Metal: "I was made to surpass perfection."
You can’t pass perfect
Your either perfect or your not me
@@Blowedits-n7n well jokes on you perfection is just another wall to surpass
Metallix: "Incorrect; BOTH of you fuckwits were 'MaDe' to get folded like origami."
"Man's response to nature's *perfect* hero"
- Metal Sonic's description
@@Blowedits-n7nthat’s actually tough ..
What's scary about Neo Metal's copy ability is that he doesn't just copy your techniques, but your whole ass bio data, meaning he gets EVERYTHING from you. So the second he sees Cell, he's got not just his techniques, but his ability to use Ki, and his fucking regeneration as well.
Oh nah I knew metal was gonna stomp but bro is gonna take his entire shtick too 😭
Not just Cell’s data, but the Dragon Warriors/Z Fighters too since Cell is an amalgamation of their DNA, along with Frieza and King Cold.
He wouldn’t have access to just Cell’s regeneration, but also everyone’s techniques, and hypothetically Frieza’s potential due to copying the DNA. It’s crazy to think about that lmao
Such cap
@@SuperiorGokuGTThat’s literally one of his abilities how is it cap? Db fan’s always salty that their inconsistent verse gets solo by a blue tin can😂
@@CrusaderGoat it’s a no limits fallacy.
Its all fun and games until Metal says "Perfect Cell data has been copied"
Oh that’ll be insane when sonic fans and Dbz fans hear that
PERFECT CELL BIO DATA.......: SUCCESFULLY COPIED!😈
I want Metal Sonic to win this Death Battle based on how much he was carrying the Eggman Empire. Dude deserves the W
I wanna see cell regenerate and get stronger just for metal to hit him with
“ITS TOO LATE.”
Death battle gonna try and lowball metal sonic so hard and upscale cell to complex multiversal
@@titaniumstar1772 I’m saying. And while Cell has the potential to do so, he’s long dead and I’d argue Metal Sonic has more hax and abilities that could give him an edge
@Abner-gu3ve unless deathbattle pulls a "gotcha" moment and say cell max and perfect cell are the same beings (they arent) then cell is still solar system at best
@ Cell likely before he died was definitely solar system level. Metal Sonic who’s scales relative to Sonic who has multi dimensional and feats that surpass space and time would likely have an edge over Cell. And his ability to copy bio data? That makes him even more broken
I can't get over Metal Sonic bro. How did SEGA create a character this cool
Simple… they weren’t trying to, it was a happy accident.
Nah they did it again with Shadow, they knew what they were doing
He's so under used bro 😭 I need more of bro
Neo metal design goes so hard oml
@@Nftstealer_0metal overlord goated too
Its funny a robot bule hedgehog beating the perfect lifeforms ass.
He already done did that multiple times vro
Hes already defeated the Ultimate lifeform several times, the perfect lifeform would be a walk in the park for him.
To be fair hes only considered perfect because he had cells of some of earths top fighters.
Those fighters can be and were surpassed in their own universe
Heck put cell in marvel, dc, saint seiya, heck Megaman starforce, and theyd dog him.
@@chriss.249 Yeah, he's only considered perfect because he has Namekian regen, Sayain Zenkai boosts, and Frieza's potential
@Elio11492
Yea
Even then namekian regen fatigues u as it costs energy, saiyans are great but need higher tiers of training and damage with recovery to grow
And freiza potential, while great, cant eclipse everyone. Love how Broly beat that man for an entire hour and didnt get bored😂
Finally years of Sonic scaling paid off 😂. A pleasure helping out brodie.
Guessing from the thumbnail my favorite dbz villain is losing this fight
Yep
Random fact:metal is my favorite sonic villain
Same idw surge and egg man are also great villains
B-BUT HE'S PERFECT
@@ElDeLasRecargas.2007 That’s what they all say!
DO NOT CALL GOATMAN UGLY
I stand with you
Me too
I concur
My glorious KING Dr. Ivo Robotnik's handsomeness is unrivaled
He is the goat but bro is definitely ugly😭
We need an edit of that meme in the intro with Metal Sonic instead staring down Cell.
EXCELLENT TYLEARN WORK.
Z-Era characters just can't hang. It'd be more fair if it was Perfect Cell vs Classic or Adventure Era Metal
Yeah
Even CD Metal would violate him 😭
@@inksinkanimates8921 woah, CD era Metal Sonic? Classic Metal Sonic? Ain’t that a lil bit of a reach
@@Abner-gu3ve It's not, CD Metal Sonic scales to CD Sonic who transcended transfinite and archetypal time and spacetime, this alone would be high-outer due to the Sonic cosmology [and transcending spacetime] which also gives him Irrelevant speed
@@inksinkanimates8921 oh nahhh, I forgot about that. I be forgetting Sonic and other characters like Metal been powerful even since the early Genesis days 😂
People sleep on Metal Sonic too much because he loses often, ignoring the fact that Sonic and other characters are just built different. Metal Sonic FAR exceeds Cell and can basically do anything he can but better. Thank you for putting some respect on my favorite Sonic character's name.
He’s really not
@@SuperiorGokuGT here we go again.
To basically shed some light since you mentioned you arent too familiar with sonic scaling.
Time eater is stronger than solaris.
Solaris is a being who was stated to and was literally about to consume and erase all of existance throughout every exiting timeline throughout the multiverse. Basically infinite timelines of infinite universes that contain multiple pocket dimensions and many other things like that.
Time eater was stated superior to such as he was not only successful in acheiving basically the same thing although via only consuming time and not all matter as well. And was further upgraded by eggman.
Infinite upscales all previous sonic villains at the time which includes the time eater and solaris. Not just that but with the energy of the reality/perception warping phantom ruby he wields it was blatantly stated in the Japanese (the original dub) version of the game that infinite had the power to make up to all of eggmans previous losses a trillionfold. Which basically implies infinite was at least 1 trillion times stronger than the 2 cosmic horrors I just mentioned. Even if you ignore that the english dub basically says the same thing just lowballing the number to a thousandfold. 1000x which is still impressive regardless.
And basically modern metal sonic is still on par if not superior to base sonic who should be perfectly capable of mopping the floor with infinite no diff. And with his neo and super neo form he should be comparsble to frontiers sonic who can fight and defeated The End who is a being so strong it was in comprehensively stronger than sonic and all his prior foes to an unquantifiable degree and even a buffed super sonic struggled against him and was forced to unlock what's essentially Super Sonic 2 to beat him. And he still struggled.
The end should basically be a super dimensional hyper being above everything ever shown prior. And would put At least The real sonic up to 5th to 6th dimensional.
Metal sonic should only be a bit behind in his stronger forms so metal is 5D bordering on 6D.
How is Time Eater stronger than Solaris?
@@nobodys_here07time Eater brought back Solaris despite it being erased from the timeline. Mephilies shouldn't exist but does through time eaters powers.
@@Mapple-qp6yg You could argue that Time Eater messing with time and space, and altering Sonic's history would've messed up the events which would lead to Solaris becoming erased.
Hence, Solaris would've never been erased, and the events of 06 was able to re-manifest back into white space. It seemed unlikely that bringing back Mephiles or Iblis seemed intentional.
Even in-game, unlike the other Boss Gates, Mephiles' was more hidden underground and required the most amount of keys to access almost as if the Time Eater was doing its best to keep him sealed away.
1. Solaris tore a rift through space-time and was stated to be able to destroy all existing timelines OVER TIME, it kinda frustrates me that people keep overlooking this obvious fact as this is even backed up through the guides and Encyclo-speed-ia that state Solaris at best is a threat to the multiverse at a very slow pace.
2. Forgive me if I've missed something but I've never heard of Time Eater being stronger than Solaris. Again maybe I'm missing something but I don't think that's actually true.
3. Infinite being "the strongest enemy Sonic has ever faced" has been debunked many times before but let's be generous and say he actually is stronger than Solaris. The problem is base Sonic doesn't even scale to him since he had to team up with the Forces OC in order to defeat Infinite and even then Infinite was still weakened before that battle had taken place. None of this upscales Sonic or any other character to multiversal or higher in their base forms especially since in later games like Frontiers Sonic destroying half a mountain is still considered to be an impressive feat for him.
6D (due to his layer being a hyper time dimension) to potentially 7D.
Sonic characters are both more powerful than most people think and less powerful than most people think it’s like a paradox
The dissonance between games and lore is like a river
It goes back and forth, depending on where you’re looking.
And then they gotta pull out Archie if they losing
This is the first time I’m seeing you post something Sonic related
Respect my mans METAL SONIC!
Here’s the thing, cell hasn’t shown up in the series since z (not counting heroes) and has been far surpassed. While metal sonic has always showed and been keeping up with current sonic.
Exactly
So? mad because metal sonic still wins?
yk sonic glazers gotta continue to prove there verse can compete with dbz's, when they use weaker chars with there strongest😴😶
@ what did I do? Look at my pfvp. I’m barely know anything about sonic and everything about DB. I only stated this so that way people know who is stornger. Plus it’s not like it’s impossible for cell to win. If we use composite character rules cell prob will win maybe.
@@MMe-l8q how? I’m just stating this so that way people get an easy answer to who’s stronger without doing a lot of research
6:30 METAL PULL?!?
Cavemen discovering magnets:
Bro got that roborizz
Man, even some war machine be pulling more -bi- damsels than me
When your baseline for scaling is a being who can literally destroy time and space, you know the scaling is gonna be pretty crazy.
You call it downplay I'd call it Mercy... seriously Sonic characters are busted to the point of being unfair
They’re not. They are wanked asf
Still nothing against DBS
@@RiasGremoryS54They solo DBS lol
@ They don’t. Can you scale ? You are just a Sonic Fanboy who didn’t even Watch the video and wanted to heat what he want to hear. DBS solo any Sonic.
@@RiasGremoryS54 Sonic solo DBS. Cry.
Metal sonic stomps so bad 💔
Gets stomped*
@@ItsB1998no pal stomps cell
You idiot
Cook🔥😊
@@ItsB1998 metal will fold cell
@ItsB1998 metal sonic turns cell into a t-shirt
throughout the entire video this guy made it seem it was the other way around til you watch the end
Absolutely not 😭
3:50 Eggman didn't make Infinite or Time Eater, and Metal Sonic being Eggman's greatest creation has been stated long before either Infinite or Time Eater were in the picture. Putting Metal above them is fine, but I think that particular reasoning is wack.
This is littery. "You vs the guy she told you not to worry about"😭
Infinite being more powerful then the Time Eater is MASSIVE cap considering how sorry he went out in Sonic Forces, as well as just how his powers work in general. Also, the Time Eater can only destroy one timeline at a time, not all at once. This doesn't really change anything, as I do think even even destroying a single Sonic universe is more impressive then anything that could be reasonably argued for Perfect Cell, but saying that kind of scaling can be applied to Metal Sonic's base form is ... unlikely, to say the least.
Zero critical/logical thinking. Just wank.
It was stated, and implied very much so, that Infinite in Forces was the strongest villain they had gone up against. It’s really not too far fetched to use that line of scaling at all considering Sonic, as well as Shadow recently, have beaten enemies that they had once needed their super forms for, in their base. Good examples are: Sonic stomping Perfect Chaos, Shadow beating Metal Overlord, and in said game Sonic and Shadow beyond a benefit of the doubt scale to each other (edit: also you can’t just blatantly rule out pretty definitive scaling because of Forces’ garbage writing)
@@buggerboogusthis also upscales metal since he’s consistently stated to be around equal to Sonic
@@buggerboogus The problem is that the statement itself doesn't say that Infinite is stronger then the Time Eater. It just says that he's "Sonic's most powerful enemy yet." The statement doesn't make it clear if it's referring to The most powerful enemy SUPER Sonic has ever fought or the most powerful enemy BASE Sonic has ever fought. Heck, what they mean by "most powerful" is open to interpretation. By definition, "power" could just mean their influence over others as opposed to their physical capabilities, which I'm more inclined to believe matches Infinite closer considering how the Phantom Ruby's abilities actually work what with it being able to manipulate people's perceptions on a planetary-wide scale. Basically, a planet-wide Kyoka Suigetsu. I'm not completely against the idea of Infinite being physically more powerful then the Time Eater, but using this one statement or Eggman saying that with the Phantom Ruby, he "won't even need to bother with the Master Emerald" as proof that Infinite can physically one-shot a universe buster without the Phantom Ruby manipulating that universe-buster's perceptions seems like a massive stretch.
I mean Jiren was up scaled from Infinite Zamasu via this same exact statement that he was “the strongest enemy Goku had faced”
If Jiren who doesn’t have direct feats of being stronger than Infinite Zamasu can be scaled like that, Infinite should as well
This was a phenomenal video. You don’t even have to give Metal Sonic his best scaling and he already outscales Z. Keep up the great work Goat.
It's wrong actually. Disproved by Ian Flynn
@@ItsB1998your dumb aren’t you
@ What are you yappin about?
@@axiom6000 Ian confirmed that the statement about Infinite being the strongest enemy was just marketing fluff, and that's why it's not said in the actual game. He verbatim said that Infinite is nowhere near the league of Solaris or Time Eater.
This was in the August 15th 2022 episode of his podcast called Bumblecast
@ Yeah so you understand that IS stated in the game. Eggman says Infinite surpasses all his previous plans by a thousandfold. So not only is Ian wrong about it not being stated in the game, Eitaro Toyoda, one of Ian’s BOSSES says and I quote:
Questioner: “Hello Mr.Toyoda. I have a question about Sonic Forces: in extra official material on a website Infinite is called the most powerful enemy Sonic has faced yet and in the game an ultimate weapon by Eggman (Eggman's masterpiece?) so are these pieces of information true?”
Eitaro Toyoda: “At the time of SONIC FORCES, Eggman certainly said so, and he utilized Infinite as his most powerful weapon. However, Eggman gave up on him early on in the end of the story and even took away the Phantom Ruby. Eggman's true intentions are always unclear and shrouded in mystery :)”
Toyoda literally says Eggman believed Infinite to be his strongest and ultimate weapon, but gave up on him later into the game.
Metal sonic slams and it not even close
Cell blinks the verse
@SuperiorGokuGT cell dying before the battle start😂
@@SuperiorGokuGT dawg your name and pfp already shows what typa person you are, neo metal sonic doesnt only copy your ability, it COPIES YOUR BIO DATA, which is essentially everything that makes you up
and iirc, he got hit in the face by someone and straight up copied their bio data, how the hell does cell blinks the sonic verse??
Even if you wanna highball Cell's strength, Metal Sonic is way too fast for him
He’s not. But I guess people like you fill this comment section huh Mr. Sonic pfp?
@@whitneysimonetti3847 Just ignoring the fact Metal can match or surpass Sonic who's surpassed light speed back in Colours? Or were you too desperate to use a pfp as an insult to figure that out?
@@Right_Bumper Light speed isn’t impressive lmao. Goku’s light speed since his fight with Tien in OG Dragon ball lil bro
@@Right_Bumper Also I’m not insulting you. Calm down dude, no need to whine. I’m just pointing out how you’re clearly biased towards Sonic characters.
@@whitneysimonetti3847 Sonic's speed at this point is pretty much immesurable given what Generations tell us
Still not helping Cell against Metal given all the abilities he's copied like Chaos Control and from what Rivals tells us he could definitely copy Silver's power like psychokinesis and Espio's invisibility
You know... Regardless of how borked the scaling is, this is actually a pretty thematically fitting match-up. Both the ultimate creation of a mad scientist, both made to be better than their respective hero, both utter powerhouses in their own right... They even share the habit of getting "Mini-Me"s (The Cell Jr.s, and the whole Brotherhood of Metallix). Metal and Cell really do feel like they were cast from a similar mold.
Both randomly even have a "Giant crimson monster form", what with Cell Max and Metal Sonic Kai.
Cell: So… you must be the legendary Metal Sonic. Hmhmhm, im exited to prove our strength in battl-
Metal Sonic: **Creates a 220 kiloton blast**
Cell: *HGAAAHGG-*
Metal Sonic is about to slap Cell in canon his best feats are stated to be Solar System to low level Multi Solar System, meanwhile Metal Sonic scales to Sonic (a Multiversal character)
Sonic scales above multiversal
Anime is canon cell in the anime can be argued universal not saying he wins here just saying the anime scaling for some reason is stronger than the manga scaling, probably for dramatic effect. It might be confusing but the manga and anime thanks to super is basically two different interpretations/continuities meaning the scaling will drastically vary as there is anime only stuff that scales to the anime. It was a weird decision honestly
Cap
@@SuperiorGokuGT keep coping
YEAHHH THAT'S MY GOAT METAL SONICCCC
It's even worse for Cell because Metal Sonic can just copy him, and then he gets Cell's powers too. So even if Cell was stronger, Metal will just adapt to him and beat him
Imagine being considered one of the strongest villains and being obliterated by a blue robot hedgehog
"Life form data. Successfully copied"
If Cell has any advantages over Neo Metal, he would have to destroy Metal before that data gets copied. I don't see that happening.
He legit just had to see Shadow once to copy his data lol
@@PicoNewgroundsZ We actually don't know how long it takes since we don't know when he starts copying the data.
For all we know Metal was observing and copying data all through the boss fight preceding the cutscenes when he copies the data.
Cell when he hears "Cell Bio data succesfully... COPIED."
W Metal Sonic
Cell: ha! If a android don't beat what is the diference with a robot of a animal? Haha!!
Metal sonic: individual copy, ki habilities copied, perfection surpassed.
Cell: wait...what?
Metal: *desintegrate cell*
People forget that the power scalling in sonic is so big
The solar system in Dragon ball is referring to a galactic nebula on the outskirts of the north galaxy.
North galaxy being a Quadrant galaxy with infinite celestial bodies making it infinite in size and making the solar system universal in size.
And for a lowball multi solar system + .
So cell can rang from multi solar system level to universal .
With the mid ball being galaxy level.
So universal cell isn't that much of a wank given that in the the solar system in Dragon ball is an extremely large galactic nebula and all the statements from the anime making universal cell more believable.
Metal sonic still slams though.
This is why I prefer dark samus vs cell
One of the daizenshu's confirm what a solar system is in terms of scale which is called a nebulae which from my memory in the world of db can hold a couple of galaxy. So just for a highball let's say the average DB nebulae is 100 galaxies. Insane highball
I know you say cell could be universal but sadly characters never actually reach that level until at most battle of gods with ssg, beerus, & golden frieze and at least buu saga with, kid buu/buuhan being the only ones possible of just blipping the universe from existence.
But that sadly does not compare to the universal level of power of the chaos emeralds and the master emerald.
While yes the sonic universe is much smaller than the dragon ball universe. Comparing power output metal sonic in super neo would be thousands if not millions of times stronger than that of perfect cell
Add on metal sonics bio data copy which could allow him to copy anything cell could do while cells abilities were more or less pre built into him I doubt he'd be able to copy anything metal could do as cell has only been able to be shown to copy ki techniques and biological powers like piccolo's regeneration and the saiyans zenki boosts. But metal could copy shadows chaos powers and silvers esp without actually having the energy to have it in the first place
Sorry for the yappage but I just love this matchup so much
The Sonic universe is way bigger than
@@john_negs7720 there is no real evidence to suggest this. The story books are definitely their own worlds but theres no real reason to suggest they are actually apart of sonics universe. at most they are more like Blaze's dimension, separate from sonics universe. sense we have no real understanding of how big his universe is the best we can do is compare it to our universe observable universe. add on that Videl comments that Heaven is as large as a universe, which is within Dragonballs universe seven it is much much much larger than that of our own universe with calcs ranging from at least 2 times larger to some calcs going to the thousands. though even if we were to compare both Metal and Cell's power Metal still triumphs over cell
@ the story books are implied to be apart of maginary world which is apart of Sonic’s universe and even if we grant that they’re still apart of the same cosmology so either way they’re still apart of the multiverse.
@@john_negs7720 yeah they're apart of the sonic multiverse. im not disputing that. more or less just that there is no real evidence to suggest they're truly within sonics universe as sonic was transported to both the land of king Arthur and Arabian knights via magic. kinda like how most use other series use magic/technology to bring characters to other universes
Metal can do anything sonic can, If Super Sonic can take down a Solaris, then Super metal can do the same, and cell is COOKED the second he hears "Perfect Cell Bio-Data Copied"
Super sonic didn't take down Solaris
@Cruise_ship122 reason i said "a solaris" there were 3 of them but they were all just as powerful and a multiversal level threats
Metal completely destroys
Cap
@@SuperiorGokuGT truth
"Nah I'd Win"
(True in this case)
So who else can't wait for all the dragon Ball power scalars to watch this video and say "Cell is actually multiversal and outer" no joke people actually believe that.............drip sauce
Because he have proof of it and he doesn't come and say he is that' level with out reasoning
@@Light-qs1qkHe has no proof just wanks😂 drip sauce the biggest db meat rider I have seen Dude said that Goku beat’s Superman like how can you even take that guy seriously!?💀
@@Light-qs1qk regardless if he does have proof, my guy neo metal sonic copied shadow's bio data just by seeing him once(we dont know if its instant or not, and if it isnt then Cell HAS to murder Metal before he can copy his bio data), and mind you, Sonic iirc is Multiversal, and Metal scales up to Sonic as well
Cell better destroy Metal faster than he's ever been if he gets the knowledge that Neo Metal Sonic can copy not only your abilities, but your BIO DATA, which includes his Ki, regeneration and so much more
essentially the Perfect has to destroy someone who's beyond Perfection before it's too late
@randomguy8976 first how would he analysis power like ki
@@Light-qs1qkits called COPYING, not ANALYZING iirc
and besides, that's CELLS BIO DATA Neo Metal Sonic is copying
And what does Bio mean? Biological, meaning the living cells that makes you up iirc
Metal Sonic: "Chaos Control"
Cell: 💀
Alien X vs Infinity Ultron and why it isn't close
Alien X wins
The reason is alien X is 26D character
While Infinity Ultron best feats is around 4D or maybe Baseline 5D:]]
Neo metal is gonna be so funny when he starts popping the metal jrs
How this blue toaster strapped to an ICBM didn’t liquidate Bowser is beyond me.
When he got hit with change time,I believe he lost some of his abilities which heavily nerfed him
Metal did actually kill Bowser, but Jr revived him with the black goo.
if only Metal went after the child
@@Sonic_memer10 He did went for Jr near the end, that's what made him lose unfortunately.
Kamek.
eggman is beautiful, what the hell are you on. all that BLUBBLER is made to keep him protected everytime sonic spins into a ball and destroys his egg mobile. his true body is even better tthan M. Tyson's trust me. he's so handsome and stuff. 3:27
We want Goku vs Sonic, goat vs goat
Don't bother bros going to make sonic stronger than goku and make goku 4d at best
Xeno Goku to make it a tad more fair.
@jx8903 bro goku doesnt need xeno goku to scale to sonic watch toaster xd sonic vs goku video they are actually relative in power
@@JadoBouhzam Canon DBS Goku's like Low-Multiversal at best so I don't think that's the case.
@@JadoBouhzam Sonic unironically blitzes Goku.
Metal sonic and perfect cell are both my goats so this hurts (it was over before it even began)
If this actually somehow becomes a Death Battle episode, get ready for the Sonic fans being insufferable about their character winning and the Dragonball fans sending death threats to Death Battle.
This makes a lot of sense, if you think about where the characters are in the timeline. Cell was a mid-game enemy, one that pushed the relatively new idea of Super Sayain to the limits. Metal Sonic was, and still is, the strongest thing Eggman has ever made. Metal Sonic is an Endgame threat to Sonic, much closer in proportional difficulty to something like Moro or Super Broly. Further, Cell had a single arc to do stuff in, but Metal Sonic has been kicking around for going on 30 years of content. Comparing the two is like comparing Goku and Superman... Hm...
Can you still do jiren vs Super 17 nobody can beat me while I'm super 17
A Diggs shout out. My sweet princess
My glorious queen Diggle
Always there for my kings ❤
Cell is 10x better in terms of writing and being a villain, but yeah he gets bodied
Yeah
Wish SEGA would give Metal just one more chance as a main villain after Heros
If the cards are played right he can work so well
@ I agree
6:00 I don’t wanna sound like a nerd, but the Maximum Overdrive thing is seen on regular Metal Sonic, and in his first appearance, which is also his weakest appearance strength-wise
metal sonic wins ez
Cell one taps him
Cell: I am perfect
Metal sonic: wait let me copy that and be even more perfect
Metal Sonic one shots Z and GT in base, but he'll need Neo form to solo Super.
Trunks when yet another android murks everybody he knows: 💀💀💀💀
Why are you lying? King Piccolo flicks him
@@SuperiorGokuGT King Piccolo is only moon level lil bro.
@@Generalmituna8079 high universal*
@@SuperiorGokuGT Nobody in OG Dragon Ball scales to universal stop it 🤦🏽♂️.
One word: Archie.
Cell ain’t beating that
from feats metal destroys cell but if an official fight were to happen cell would probably beat metal because "bro he is just a robot"
just because hes a robot doesn't mean anything look at the androids metal makes cell his pet with no difficulty
@@1zekraya the androids are mostly humans and i can see metal sonic getting a genos form opm treatment and be super fragile
@@epicbattleon8485That doesn’t even collate too his feats Dawg. Metal Sonic is not fragile or weak he stomp’s most of the db verse.
@@CrusaderGoat mother fucker i know just because i said people downplay metal sonic doesn't mean i also do cell is getting murdered
@@CrusaderGoat mf I know just because I said people downplay metal sonic doesn't mean I also do cell is getting murdered
I think someone is mad about their celly-welly
Dr. Eggman should have won , sonic too , but yall know Death battle.
Bowser outstats Eggman in literally everything cope.
Yeah no. you need to know what Bowser and Mario are
nah that was one of the most accruate death battles to date.it was a close fight but bowser wins due to teamwork.
You niggas are in the comments are glazing Mario
Eggman and Sonic solo
@@Generalmituna8079 Eggman runs faster than characters in Sonic who have outrun black holes.
Never.
Disrespect metal sonic...
Sonic fans gaslighting themselves and the rest of the world into thinking metal sonic can beat any character in fiction
I mean I glaze DB heavy, but he stomps so easy, he as in Metal Sonic
Well yeah, everyone ignores how bad Sonic glazers are so it's no surprise they're allowed to get away with this BS
Noones gaslighting. You're just coping 😊
As if DB fans don't do the same
@IsaiahJones-rw1pc I mean nothing stated in this video was incorrect. And we talking as if DB glazers aren't the exact same, if not way worse??
Honestly, after all the shit he went through in Bowser vs Eggman, he most definitely deserves a win.
OK to correct something here infinite has no feats that proofs he is above time eater. time eater it needed two super sonics to put down time eater and infinite. Got took down by two base forms sonics. and the players avatar.
Also Infinite being above Time Eater was debunked by Ian Flynn in the August 15, 2022 episode of Bumblecast
@@ItsB1998 ian called solaris being the strongest even above the end, and also said sonic isnt faster than light in base. His oppinions are arguable even though hes a writter
Sonic said himself and proved multiple times he gets stroger every battle. If statements isnt enough His best feat creating nullspace (infinite sized dimension with no space or time) is arguably on time eaters lvl
@@Shd001 Also the fact that infinite is still able to one shot sonic after the six months which likely means sonic was stronger than he was before
@@Shd001 Solaris being the strongest enemy isn't wrong though? He literally has the greatest feats out of all of Sonic's foes, it isn't contradicted by The End thinking he was stronger because he didn't exist in the same timeline. Also The End's claim that he was infinite while Sonic's past foes were finite is blatantly wrong via scaling and makes it unreliable of a claim in general.
The claim of Sonic's base speed being below light is definitely more contentious, but it actually is backed up by several things.
The Sonic Channel story with Sonic and Metal Sonic said that they were having a race to see who had the "higher speed of sound," and it also has Super Sonic diffusing eggman devices across the world in a couple of seconds, which obviously would be much quicker if he was already faster than light in base.
The Super Smash Bros trophy for Sonic also backs this feat up, as it says as Super Sonic he's *nearly* the speed of light.
Sonic Frontiers has Eggman say that Sonic achievement Mach 1 was impressive, and IDW again has Whisper say "but you were fine with the hedgehog that can ran at mach 1 for funsies?"
So definitely a consistent lower than light speed theme with base Sonic.
This is consistent at least in the narrative department. Gameplay is at story. But in the end the story is the canon, the gameplay is not, meaning Ian's claim wouldn't be contradicted.
Metal Sonic is disrespected bro steps on cell
Both are Bowser victims
Your not wrong, but to be fair metal was carrying
@@macesandtalons don’t underestimate Bowser
@@CarlosGarcia91000 tbh i never bought death battles reasoning for the grand stars overpowering super neo metal
@@be7256 the grand stars have the power to create a universe and destroy a universe but if that doesn’t convince you then check out Bowser‘s Dreamstone
once metal gets the master emerald and turns into neo metal overlord cell is cooked
You know with there's large amounts of new information that we're now given about how strong Sonic is at this rate I kind of want to know if he has surpassed his archery counterpart is game Sonic stronger than Archie Sonic that could be a video idea or already relative
Metal sonic cooks in base 😭
What is your opinion on bowser vs Eggman?
This will not end well when it comes to sonic and dragon ball both fans will disagree on what the other has presented and deny eachothers defence some will be logical others random shit. There's no middle ground you will be consider a dragon ball down player or sonic down player and people believe you are just glazing the side you're on, and might be not gonna lie. But for those who enjoy seeing the chaos unfold with these fans... well then hello gentlemen 😈
I agree with the results but i don't agree with the Met Sonic scaling at all
I don't think he scales to time eater at all as the Infinite statement is only talking about tge enemies in that game specifically (and it would make no sense to say Sonic went from weaker than Super Classic Sonic to above his latest Super form when there is inly ine game different between forces and generations) not that i have a problem with universal Metal Sonic , just that the reason for if is whacky
As for speed , the infinite speed Sonic scan comes from a magazine (gaming magazines are not like guide books or good sources) and Infinite can mean just a veryong distance , additionally i believe its never stated that he crossed the whole thing but i could be wrong , as for time eater we are shown that he travels through time by creating portals and in Sonic X Shadow Generations we are tols that Time Eater absorbs the Energy of the Dimension so Sonic bringing it back shouldn't be Immeasurable speed
Again , i don't disagree with the result , i scale Metal Sonic in his New Super form at Low Complex Multiversal with MFTL to Infinite/Immeasurable speed and i scale Manga Cell to MFTL and Solar System level while Anime Cell should be at BEST High infinite Universal and MFTL to Infinite speed which has him get cooked by Metal Sonic either way.
OverAll good video.
Metal still a Bowser victim
@@CarlosGarcia91000 not really
@@Sonicdxunleashed yeah really
@@CarlosGarcia91000def not let's not give death battle THAT much credit
@@Pack52022 even though it was actually accurate
This depends on which version of metal we are talking about like games metal sonic base vs perfect cell it would mean cell beating metal probably high diff he speed and and weapons so but if we talking neo metal sonic vs super perfect cell in easy way neo low diffs
Another drip sauce debunk coming soon 🔥
Drip doesn't like covering Sonic scaling for whatever reason but he did say Cell could be multiversal or higher in his "how strong is Goku without guides" video. Not saying I agree with him or anything but that's what he thinks
@IsaiahJones-rw1pc drip sauce scales cell higher than that
Another video coming from shit sauce which will be watched by his fans filled with shit in their head🔥
You mean from the most unreliable wanker this side of biased dragon ball fanboys 😂? He’s useless.
cell is so fucking cool, shame he's going to literally die
mf just said Metal stomps a DBZ character
Most sonic characters do, (specifically the big 3, sonic,shadow and silver) stomp dbz characters, hercule doesnt stand a chance, nor any other character that isnt a planet buster.
Now I know you trippin. Hercule Satan is the most op character ever and could easily solo all fiction and religions
@@kyledavid9415curious george stomps
@@SunHyperion
They really don't, most Sonic characters are varying levels of "can smash several meters of stone and dirt" and "runs several hundred miles per hour", which is just pretty blatantly unimpressive by Dragon Ball standards.
@@kyledavid9415 nah bro you trippin on ice or sumn, truck-kun EASILY stomps everyone, reality or not
We should stop asking "But can he beat Goku tho?" and start asking "But can he beat Sonic tho?" like seriously, I thought it was just the Archie Comics that had busted feats, but even game continuity is OP holy shit.
First off, "greatest" doesn't automatically mean strongest.
Secondly, Infinite is not an Eggman creation.. he's an actual person that utilizes the Phantom Ruby..which is also not made by Eggman.
And finally, Infinite being the "most powerful enemy" was confirmed to be marketing hyperbole, and that Time Eater and Solaris are in an *entirely* different league above him.
Source: Bumblecast Q&A August 2022.
This entire scale is fundamentally flawed in everything except the speed department.
Maybe Metal Sonic could beat Cell with raw speed, but he's not harming him from raw strength alone.
Hell Sonic got his leg broken just from a plane crash. He's not universal or any type of celestial buster either.
Greatest LITERALLY means strongest in that context, greatest would mean he is superior to all of eggman's other creations. Metal even has the feats to show it, due to being able to scale and stay on par with sonic. Infinite is an eggman creation, as this would refer to the phantom ruby (which infinite is powered by). The first point entirely debunks your third point as metal sonic being the greatest eggman creation would mean he would STILL scale above time eater. And Infinite beat sonic in base in the intro to forces. This would still mean Infinite > Time Eater, thus metal sonic still wins off of that scaling alone.
We also gonna talk about goku getting scrapped from a bullet, or him being harmed by a laser beam from a basic frieza soldier? We don't take extreme low end moments and use them to say a character caps at that level. If anything those instances are outliers that should be ignored.
@krazki7785 Literally nothing says the context of greater is about strength in this case. What you just told me is an assumption.
Eggman did not create the phantom Ruby as I already said.
Eggman did not create the time eater either.
You're in dire need of looking up the definition of the word create
@@krazki7785 No one ignores Goku getting hurt by bullets or lasers though.
Difference between Goku and Sonic is that Goku actually has a talked about weakness of his ki lowering when he's off guard.
Sonic has no established weakness like that nor Ki.
@@ItsB1998 By that case, yours is an assumption too. Eggman never specifies greatest has something other than power, and once again what else is greatest going to mean in every context eggman says it? He literally did create the phantom ruby. There were several prototypes of it as well.
While yes he didn't create the time eater, BUT he did gain control of it and considers it as one of his creations.
OK guys since he doesn't want to do Goku versus sonic let's do the next best thing shadow versus Vegeta
NOOOOO
What ever the winner is
The comment section gonna be the next World war :]]]
I love Dragon ball but i don't even try to put it against Sonic
Cell? Sonic’s main villain and rival is only metal sonic and Eggman. Even shadow can’t come close to metal sonic.
Should have chosed majin buu
You already know that if the cell vs metal fight was made they’d come up with some bs reason for cell to win
Two characters from different fictions 💀
Metal Overlord alone scales above Post SA2 Super Sonic since he needed Tails and Knuckles to do a triple attack just to harm Metal Overlord, plus with Shadow Generations Metal Overlord scales a bit below Generations Sonic, and thats without going into Super Neo Metal Sonic
Wait so let me get this straight he can beat cell but he can’t be bowser I’m not Einstein level smart but I know cell absolutely destroys bowser
cells perfect, metal surpasses perfection
Did somebody say Goku vs Sonic?
Everyone uses Metal but I wanna see Mecha and Silver for once. Hell even MK0 will do...... or Metalix.
Okay, this is a common misconception, but Cell doesn't have all the DNA of the Z Fighters. Does he use some of their moves? Yes, as we have seen. However, he has been confirmed to only contain the DNA of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza, and King Cold. So, please, remember this
cool vid but sonic turns him into cellulites.
Sonic heroes metal sonic vs cell might be fair.
tbf that needed super sonic + 2 pseudo supers to beat
@be7256 what TBF means?
@@danielsans-wb5tp to be fair
Do goku vs sonic and give sonic his proper scalling with his defeats with Solaris,infinite and the end
Keep in mind this is all without getting into scaling to do with solaris and the end
Nah that's all right you did good w scaling