I'm pretty sure Omori doesn't know what he's doing is evil, he's just doing what he was made to do “protect” Sunny from trauma. ´･ᴗ･` in conclusion Omori has good intentions just his way of doing so is just so bad.
I see it this way, Omori was exactly what 4 years younger Sunny thought was the best solution to the trauma, and while present-day Sunny started growing as a person and realising that repressing it is not the way to go, Omori didn’t, which is why he turned against him. Omori saw that Sunny is stopping him from achieving his goal, which means he needs to be elimimated, thus the bossfight happens.
Can Omori's actions in Black/Red Space even be considered evil if it's a dream, since he's only hurting figments of Sunny's imagination? The overall effect the repression has on Sunny is where the harm lies, but I don't know if Omori and Sunny can technically be considered different people considering it's just Sunny doing this to himself with extra steps (kind of how like the mini-Humphreys talk to each other and have different roles).
they arent different people, but they arent the same either. were told that Sunnys soul is split between himself and Omori and that Omori was created so that Sunny could forget himself (which itself is a very interesting conversation because Daddy Longlegs phrases it in a way that would imply Omori doesn't know about his relation to Sunny and that Sunny has completely forgotten himself but we're told multiple other times throughout the game that Sunny has no completely forgotten myself)
I think people forget that the game describes Omori as "nothing" and that "he can't remember much". A lot of Omori's "evil" actions are moreso just Sunny's own mind reacting to his random meanderings, and at the end of the day, he doesn't really care about anything aside from protecting himself from anything other than that which would threaten his own existence.
If omori is a manifestation of a coping mechanism he is bad cuz the coping mechanism is toxic Also at the end of the game when he berates sunny for what he did if we take it as the manifestation of sunnys shame and guilt its still bad But if we take omori as a separate sentient character than yes he is evil for trying to take control over sunnys actions He is the manifestation of a toxic coping mechanism that takes over your life and hinders you from getting better
Omori is a simple coping mechanism, no good or evil, just purpose. His primary purpose is to protect Sunny from the truth, however he was never given any real rules or the abillity to see other perspectives. All he knows is what he was created to do, which is to destroy any reminant of the truth. When Sunny actively starts confronting the truth, Omori stops seeing Sunny and only sees a reminder. The same rings true for HS!Basil, which is why Omori goes out of his way to kill him and push him deeper and deeper into Blackspace. Omori doesn't understand right from wrong, he simply acts on logic: "Goal: The truth never gets out. Problem: If Sunny learns and accepts the truth, then I become useless. Solution: Keep Sunny in a cycle so the truth never gets out. Problem: Sunny wishes to accept and tell the truth. Solution: Kill Sunny so the truth never gets out. Goal: Kill Sunny."
For me i have two main theories about omori one being the fact that he is a person sunny created who did not experience the truth. So, when omori finds out the truth he hates sunny for what he did which could explain some of the dialogue in the omori fight. I assumed that it was sunny who erased basil from headspace not omori because he did not know of basils connection to the truth. Of course there are a lot of problems with this theory but, this is just what i thought while i was playing the game. After completing it, i think i agree more with the idea that he was created to keep sunny safe from his thoughts. Thats why he went on adventures with his friends and thats why he tried to remove things that lead to the truth. However, i wasn't sure how to explain the way he acted in the end tho because i would think that omori would just have sunny forget and go back into repressing his memory. My only guess would be that maybe by telling sunny all those terrible things, he would in some way get him to think that forgetting was better. But maybe omori figured that because of the situation sunny was in at the moment there was no way to have him forget the truth because his friends would want to talk to him and remind him of the truth. That might be why he decided the only way was to take his chances with an MLG water bucket rather than confront his friends. Anyway i really have not thought about this very well and i'm really just procrastinating taking a test so sorry if this makes no sense.
He's not exactly just a lost child he's a coping mechanism for sunny to make him hide from the truth all the adventures they go on to find basil isn't just omori being lost and going on adventures because it's fun but it's sunny trying to distract himself from finding basil and basil is the source to the truth that also hints why he died so much in black space Hope this helped
SPOILER WARNING I feel that it's heavily implied that Sunny has DID(Differential identity Disorder) and his personality split into two after the death of Mari. Omori is Sunny's Alter. Note the dialogue of the keeper of the castle when he says: "You, with the empty eyes. Your soul is split, but you can only choose one path". [Perhaps the path he is referencing is the choice to take the sunny or omori path" Also the name of the track that plays during the fight against OMORI is called "ALTER". An alter is a split personality. Also curiously enough, when omori is sitting on that throne made of hands in RED SPACE, if you see the way he looks during the omori route, it does seem like he's sitting on an "altar" of sorts. Perhaps a play on words there.
@minoomino Think of it this way, when you take the sunny route and look at sunny in the mirror in his house, you see sunny's reflection, right? Then, when you take the omori route, and look at the mirror, at one point you only see omori's reflection. Even though it's physically sunny that's there, why do you see omori's reflection instead even though you're in the real world and not in headspace? Because that is when sunny stops becoming the dominant personality and omori becomes the dominant personality that becomes host over the body.
In my opinion (or maybe its true im just stupid) omori is just trying to defend Sunny, at ANY cost. Omori will try to protect Sunny from the truth, be it by simply making him forget, or killing both of them to protect it. Omori isn't supposed to save Sunny's life itself. Omori is supposed to protect him from the truth. He wasn't made to have remorse, he wasn't made to peacefully make Sunny forget. If Sunny remembers, Omori can't let Sunny remember. It Sunny knows, then Omori has to protect him. But there's no forgetting if it's remembered already. The only last option Omori has is to kill Sunny to defend him for it. It would kill them both. But Omori needs to do it, it's his only purpouse. Omori takes control of Sunny to protect him further. Maybe forcing Sunny to stay in white space because it's safer. Maybe because Omori feels more capable defending Sunny by literally taking his body. Omori, in the good ending, fades away. He isn't needed anymore. His purpose may have been unfulfilled, but Sunny is safe.
i like to say that so things you accused omori of doing we are not sure if it was omori was the one who caused sunny to do those things we also know that omori is a lot younger than head space because the fact the omori was made after sunny realized the truth was harder to hide when he was there as himself not using an avatar. i also want to say that Sunny tried him as a tool and when he didnt need him anymore that he threw him away which is probably the reason why he probably is the reason why he tries to kill sunny at the end of the game.
"Sunny tried him as a tool" that is literally what he is. he was literally just a form created by Sunny. and where did the "he felt abandoned" even come from?? Omori went to the Church to save Basil > Stranger interupted saying he won't let this continue and that him and Sunny can face the truth together > he becomes one with Headspace Basil > they try to go through the screen door > Basil gets grabbed > Omori finds Basil again and kills him > Omori sits on the throne of hands > Sunny falls out of bed and wakes up not to mention that before the fight the characters Sunny talks to tell him hes going to have to make a choice and that he needs to remember his friends are there for him, did they just guess that Omori was going to be mad because Sunny abandoned him?? it seems to be pretty clearly telling us that it was Sunny's decision to fight Omori, just like how he decided to confront something and decided to break the black light bulb
you have a point here, but you look at Omori as a tool not an alternate ego. which is what Omori is, they are not tools but are like a separate person they are capable of feeling different emotions. second off the part where you said that sunny want to fight Omori is not clears as to how want to fight who because it can be interpreted both ways. but we do know that Omori did want to fight Sunny as he was the one to initiate the battle. the church scene is Omori just trying to hide the secret because that is his main purpose. the thing about being abandon is an opinion which I am entitled to believe because of reasoning stated previously. sorry for the late response i was not here for a while.
I've seem some people compare Omori to a cancer of sorts. Something which is designed for a very specific purpose, which will go as far to destroy its own host in order to fulfill it. I don’t think he has any consciousness outside of being a part of Sunny himself.
I'm pretty sure Omori doesn't know what he's doing is evil, he's just doing what he was made to do “protect” Sunny from trauma. ´･ᴗ･` in conclusion Omori has good intentions just his way of doing so is just so bad.
I Agree.
Omori is like Badeline, a twisted defense mechanism. He is there to erase pain, unfortunately the way he does that is by erasing Sunny.
Well said 👏👏👏
Kinda like a lobotomy.
I see it this way, Omori was exactly what 4 years younger Sunny thought was the best solution to the trauma, and while present-day Sunny started growing as a person and realising that repressing it is not the way to go, Omori didn’t, which is why he turned against him. Omori saw that Sunny is stopping him from achieving his goal, which means he needs to be elimimated, thus the bossfight happens.
Can Omori's actions in Black/Red Space even be considered evil if it's a dream, since he's only hurting figments of Sunny's imagination? The overall effect the repression has on Sunny is where the harm lies, but I don't know if Omori and Sunny can technically be considered different people considering it's just Sunny doing this to himself with extra steps (kind of how like the mini-Humphreys talk to each other and have different roles).
they arent different people, but they arent the same either. were told that Sunnys soul is split between himself and Omori and that Omori was created so that Sunny could forget himself
(which itself is a very interesting conversation because Daddy Longlegs phrases it in a way that would imply Omori doesn't know about his relation to Sunny and that Sunny has completely forgotten himself but we're told multiple other times throughout the game that Sunny has no completely forgotten myself)
Omori was doing his job, which was the protective him from the truth.
I think people forget that the game describes Omori as "nothing" and that "he can't remember much". A lot of Omori's "evil" actions are moreso just Sunny's own mind reacting to his random meanderings, and at the end of the day, he doesn't really care about anything aside from protecting himself from anything other than that which would threaten his own existence.
If omori is a manifestation of a coping mechanism he is bad cuz the coping mechanism is toxic
Also at the end of the game when he berates sunny for what he did if we take it as the manifestation of sunnys shame and guilt its still bad
But if we take omori as a separate sentient character than yes he is evil for trying to take control over sunnys actions
He is the manifestation of a toxic coping mechanism that takes over your life and hinders you from getting better
OMORI: a manifestation of LONELINESS
STRANGER: a manifestation of TRUTH
Omori is a simple coping mechanism, no good or evil, just purpose. His primary purpose is to protect Sunny from the truth, however he was never given any real rules or the abillity to see other perspectives. All he knows is what he was created to do, which is to destroy any reminant of the truth. When Sunny actively starts confronting the truth, Omori stops seeing Sunny and only sees a reminder. The same rings true for HS!Basil, which is why Omori goes out of his way to kill him and push him deeper and deeper into Blackspace.
Omori doesn't understand right from wrong, he simply acts on logic:
"Goal: The truth never gets out.
Problem: If Sunny learns and accepts the truth, then I become useless.
Solution: Keep Sunny in a cycle so the truth never gets out.
Problem: Sunny wishes to accept and tell the truth.
Solution: Kill Sunny so the truth never gets out.
Goal: Kill Sunny."
Omori is just the part of Sunny which really wants to repress the truth and at the end Omori either uses or is part of Sunny's feelings of guilt
For me i have two main theories about omori one being the fact that he is a person sunny created who did not experience the truth. So, when omori finds out the truth he hates sunny for what he did which could explain some of the dialogue in the omori fight. I assumed that it was sunny who erased basil from headspace not omori because he did not know of basils connection to the truth. Of course there are a lot of problems with this theory but, this is just what i thought while i was playing the game. After completing it, i think i agree more with the idea that he was created to keep sunny safe from his thoughts. Thats why he went on adventures with his friends and thats why he tried to remove things that lead to the truth. However, i wasn't sure how to explain the way he acted in the end tho because i would think that omori would just have sunny forget and go back into repressing his memory. My only guess would be that maybe by telling sunny all those terrible things, he would in some way get him to think that forgetting was better. But maybe omori figured that because of the situation sunny was in at the moment there was no way to have him forget the truth because his friends would want to talk to him and remind him of the truth. That might be why he decided the only way was to take his chances with an MLG water bucket rather than confront his friends. Anyway i really have not thought about this very well and i'm really just procrastinating taking a test so sorry if this makes no sense.
he's honestly just a lost child and doesn't know what he is doing...
He's not exactly just a lost child he's a coping mechanism for sunny to make him hide from the truth all the adventures they go on to find basil isn't just omori being lost and going on adventures because it's fun but it's sunny trying to distract himself from finding basil and basil is the source to the truth that also hints why he died so much in black space
Hope this helped
Well the game Omori is good
"This form, though it has not shown its true self, is evil." Case closed.
The thing is, in the bad ending, when Sunny let OMORI win, he was dead. Him jumping off was just OMORI finishing the job.
SPOILER WARNING
I feel that it's heavily implied that Sunny has DID(Differential identity Disorder) and his personality split into two after the death of Mari. Omori is Sunny's Alter.
Note the dialogue of the keeper of the castle when he says:
"You, with the empty eyes. Your soul is split, but you can only choose one path".
[Perhaps the path he is referencing is the choice to take the sunny or omori path"
Also the name of the track that plays during the fight against OMORI is called "ALTER".
An alter is a split personality.
Also curiously enough, when omori is sitting on that throne made of hands in RED SPACE, if you see the way he looks during the omori route, it does seem like he's sitting on an "altar" of sorts. Perhaps a play on words there.
It’s a common theory there’s a lot of stuff to debunk it but I’m too lazy to go through it, it is interesting tho
I don't think omori would be considered another personality but more like another version of sunny
@minoomino Think of it this way, when you take the sunny route and look at sunny in the mirror in his house, you see sunny's reflection, right?
Then, when you take the omori route, and look at the mirror, at one point you only see omori's reflection. Even though it's physically sunny that's there, why do you see omori's reflection instead even though you're in the real world and not in headspace? Because that is when sunny stops becoming the dominant personality and omori becomes the dominant personality that becomes host over the body.
Its probably that Omori is probably the person to stop the truth from being told and sunny is that urge to say the truth.
In my opinion (or maybe its true im just stupid) omori is just trying to defend Sunny, at ANY cost. Omori will try to protect Sunny from the truth, be it by simply making him forget, or killing both of them to protect it. Omori isn't supposed to save Sunny's life itself. Omori is supposed to protect him from the truth. He wasn't made to have remorse, he wasn't made to peacefully make Sunny forget. If Sunny remembers, Omori can't let Sunny remember. It Sunny knows, then Omori has to protect him. But there's no forgetting if it's remembered already. The only last option Omori has is to kill Sunny to defend him for it. It would kill them both. But Omori needs to do it, it's his only purpouse.
Omori takes control of Sunny to protect him further. Maybe forcing Sunny to stay in white space because it's safer. Maybe because Omori feels more capable defending Sunny by literally taking his body.
Omori, in the good ending, fades away. He isn't needed anymore. His purpose may have been unfulfilled, but Sunny is safe.
Omori is Omori
“Yeah that's just Omori being Omori” -Kel 2020
This translates to "killing is killing"
evil or not, he's still great
I think omori is chaotic neutral
istg JJCGames needs more attention
i like to say that so things you accused omori of doing we are not sure if it was omori was the one who caused sunny to do those things we also know that omori is a lot younger than head space because the fact the omori was made after sunny realized the truth was harder to hide when he was there as himself not using an avatar. i also want to say that Sunny tried him as a tool and when he didnt need him anymore that he threw him away which is probably the reason why he probably is the reason why he tries to kill sunny at the end of the game.
"Sunny tried him as a tool" that is literally what he is. he was literally just a form created by Sunny.
and where did the "he felt abandoned" even come from??
Omori went to the Church to save Basil > Stranger interupted saying he won't let this continue and that him and Sunny can face the truth together > he becomes one with Headspace Basil > they try to go through the screen door > Basil gets grabbed > Omori finds Basil again and kills him > Omori sits on the throne of hands > Sunny falls out of bed and wakes up
not to mention that before the fight the characters Sunny talks to tell him hes going to have to make a choice and that he needs to remember his friends are there for him, did they just guess that Omori was going to be mad because Sunny abandoned him?? it seems to be pretty clearly telling us that it was Sunny's decision to fight Omori, just like how he decided to confront something and decided to break the black light bulb
you have a point here, but you look at Omori as a tool not an alternate ego. which is what Omori is, they are not tools but are like a separate person they are capable of feeling different emotions. second off the part where you said that sunny want to fight Omori is not clears as to how want to fight who because it can be interpreted both ways. but we do know that Omori did want to fight Sunny as he was the one to initiate the battle. the church scene is Omori just trying to hide the secret because that is his main purpose. the thing about being abandon is an opinion which I am entitled to believe because of reasoning stated previously. sorry for the late response i was not here for a while.
I've seem some people compare Omori to a cancer of sorts. Something which is designed for a very specific purpose, which will go as far to destroy its own host in order to fulfill it. I don’t think he has any consciousness outside of being a part of Sunny himself.
I thought you were referring to the whole game itself not the character
Omori
mid game tbh
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