I Don't Think Basil is Straight | Omori Analysis
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Kinda nervous to share this video, but I feel like if no one else is going to make a video pointing out the blatant subtext of his character then I gotta do it myself even though this kind of content is waaaaay out of my wheelhouse.
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EDIT:
So it's been brought to my attention that the reddit post I linked and mentioned in the video has been taken down. The details as to why are still fuzzy to me, but I'm greatly disappointed in the Omori reddit for how they decided to handle the situation if what I've heard about what happened with the original poster is true.
It was a genuinely fantastic and sympathetic post about Basil's mental state and his thought process throughout the course of the game, and I hope the original poster is doing okay.
The subreddit honestly sucks, especially as of late. It's kinda like the deltarune one in that there's so much drama that the mods simply don't ever handle well
It doesn’t have to do with the comment itself, but the user was banned for really stupid reasons. There was a lot of drama that wasn’t their fault. I don’t know them so well but I can say that they are at least safe, at the moment.
knowing how the reddit has been though especially towards basil and queer ships it at least has something to do with the post
I have no idea what happened with the subreddit but the comment can still be read through the wayback machine at least
Pop the URL from the comment thread into the Wayback Machine and you can find the full comment was snapped on January 3rd.
The line:
"They're comfortable, simple, modest, and perfect.
Just like SUNNY." is fruity as hell.
OMFG YOU ACGTUALLLY TOUCHED ON THE LINE IN THE VIDEO!!!! NO ONE EVER DOESS!! I LOVE YOU!!
BRO ITS THE MOST FRUITY BEHAVIOUR IN THE WORLD OF COURSE I WOULD TOUCH ON IT
It is also just incredibly adorable, but also incredibly fruity, yes
They're bulbous, just like OMORI! -Basil
fruity?
Thinking about how Basil's bed is the only bed other than his own Sunny finds comfortable.
Sunny feels safe arround Basil 😭
@@pinksoft39did you have a stroke
@@piracy_gd ?? did you? lmao.
@@bumbabees he prob means the "arround" when it's pronounced "around"
btw sunny also finds mari’s bed comfortable as well.
When playing Omori for the first time, I definitely got the sense that Basil has some sort of feelings for Sunny beyond friendship. Though, I don't think he fully understands them.
Yes! I agree very much with that!
Oh yea he is definitely gay lol
My same thoughts while i was watching an Omori gameplay
YES. I AGREE SM
Cring
I feel like Basil is actually the (physically) strongest person in the friend group. Have you ever tried to garden for your entire life? Bro's out here lugging soil bags around and carefully tending to multiple plants every day. I wanna see Basil lift Kel above his head in front of the entire friend group, ngl.
Bro is 5’0💀 I’ve seen 11 yr olds bigger
@@piracy_gdyou can be short and still strong. Just like how you can be tall but still weak
@@odin9628 super true! my brother cant pick me up, but i can him! hes wayyy taller then me but hes still a fuckin human stick figure lmaooo
He lugged something heavier around too 💀
@@bababooey6034 while I get what you are saying, soil bags can often weigh almost the same as a human corpse, if not more.
Also, basil KNOWS about flower symbolism and language, he talks about the symbolism of the plants that represents his friend group and how they correlate with how he sees them.
The fact that sunny knows what the egret orchid symbolises implies that basil talked to Sunny about flower symbolism.
THERE IS NO WAY Basil didn't know what tulips represented, boy is definitely implying something 😳
so does sunny. he says that the orchids represent the message "our thoughts will foolow us into our dreams" like that is so oddly specific
@@kylesimone6140 tulips mean “Perfect” or even better “Deep love”
This man is actually TRYING to confess an this point
Oh, i forgot 'bout that, Basil's just so fruity
@Jay Blue Basil always said he wants to be like a sunflower, so that's probably it.
@Jay Blue Either sunflowers or daisies iirc
thinking about how it was Basil's idea to get the violin for Sunny, and how Sunny playing that violin was the first thing that he took a picture of, and how months later when he got the photo album for his birthday he went back and had that picture of Sunny playing that violin be the first picture in an album entitled "Basil's Memories", rather than his birthday pictures, but didn't include any other pictures from that Christmas
like to imagine 11 year old Basil hearing Kel talk about Sunny trying to play his old mini violin and immediately walking into Hobbeez with no concept of how expensive a violin is, presumably to actually get it for Sunny's birthday over the summer, before realizing that he was going to have to actually get the entire friend group to work the entire summer for it
Oh my God, that's the cutest thing I've read today ~ 💗
awe I never thought of that
Aww
Kel is definitely a lot more complex than people think. He is actually similar to Sunny in some ways. Both characters put the feelings of others above themselves. With Sunny, this is what led to the incident.
I think Kel is autistic and has ADHD. I have a lot of reasons why that I don't feel like typing out, but there are many that I relate to.
I agree with him being similar to Sunny.
While Kels coping mechanism was never explicitly stated in the game like everyone else's, we can infer that he too had an unhealthy coping mechanism just like everyone else. (ive always thought that the unhealty coping mechanisms was a theme in the game so it always made sense in my brain)
In the funeral scene with sunny when he spoke about the fight between him and hero, he laughed it off which honestly is just heartbreaking and also reminds me of myself
I think his coping mechanism, just like sunny, was pushing all his feelings down. Not in the same way, he didn't force himself to forget everything and sleep
I feel it was more in the way of distracting himself and/or toxic positivity and that's why Aubrey thought he moved on so quickly
This is probably just some silly thing i came up with that makes no sense but oh well, just wanted to put it out there
idk why but my font changer turned off for this comment
"we can teach you how to laugh at tragedy!"
@@user-fo1el4ol5t it's probably true though. Many people (me included) think the same
Also on a side note Sunny can rate others' beds and Basil's is the only one other than his own that he considers comfortable (NOT IN THAT WAY), implying he feels at home in Basil's room, after having spent so much time in it.
I really like the whole, bed thing, because in reality, if it's not a mattress you've slept in, it's not all that comfortable.
Ugh, and not to mention that Sunny doesn't find his own mom's bed comfortable (which is really sad and I know from personal experience that once you feel too old or you feel you and your parents' relationship has gotten bad, their bed is no longer safe or comfortable) and coupled with the fact that we never see her and she's always sending him voicemails (and yes I know they're going through a big change, moving and all that but *still*), my guess is that their relationship is slightly functional at best and strained at worse.
Aww, that's so sweet
Thats so cute, I also think the rating of the beds actually means the relationship of sunny with its owner
Sidenote but it's also kinda sad if Sunny has been around Basil's home enough to find his bedroom so comforting, yet he has never once actually met Basil's parents
That's not entirely true, he also calls Maris bed and the hospital bed comfortable, but yeah I see your point
I think that the OMORI fandom could do with recognizing the difference between "I think Basil and Sunny are in love" and "I think Basil and Sunny would be perfectly happy as a couple". When I say I ship Sunflower, I mean that they have weird, messy, romantic feelings for each other, and I want to explore that dynamic-- what is, what was, what could have been. That's why I'm annoyed by people saying "Sunflower is toxic" as if that's not half of why it's so interesting to me. I'm not the one saying they SHOULD be gay, I think they ARE gay already, and I want to see all that it implies.
Agreed.❤
So true
Yes I agree!
That’s why I like sunflower so much, it’s a messy relationship that reminds me of me and my best friend lol
also if you look at Sunny’s side of things, in headspace its shown that he isn’t very fond of physical touch. for example when they all sit on that sofa in the over world and aubrey leans closer to omori and he leans away. or in the tag cards omori tends to not reciprocate any touch from his friends. however if you unlock boss rush mode on the switch, omori tags basil by holding his hand tightly and dosent seem to deny physical touch with basil. its overall a really cute touch in my opinion.
I think the only ones Omori has actually touched is Kel and Basil😭 i might be wrong tho
@@QSBraWQSunny doesn't count, he literally created Omori to essentially defend headspace from the truth
@@QSBraWQ Omori is literally Sunny's persona
I don't think that's completely fair. Sunny feels out-of-place in his friend group and like he doesn't deserve their company,he's closed himself off physically and mentally. Before the incident, he seemed more receptive to physical affection overall, like when they all slept in a big cuddle pile of stuffed animals
How did you perfectly express my headcanon lol
Also yup I agree Basil gets too much hate smh
That's what I hoped to do! I'm so glad I was able to speak for the people who feel like the gay subtext is overshadowed by the fandom.
Indeed he's my favorite character and he doesn't deserve all the hate.
THIS, like, i just finished the game and Basil became one of my favs and OH BOY the amount of hate he gets!
Basil gets so hated its true 😭
He's one of my favorites
Also my headcanons for Basil and Aubrey are that Basil is gay (which is likely canon) and Aubrey is bi (cuz she canonly likes Sunny and likely some kind of relationship with Kim that isn't spoken of much in the game), so yeah
Im sometimes annoyed by the fact that so much people hate him, like what are you hating for?? He just had a bunch of trauma that he cant get rid off,sunnny found a way to get rid of his fears, while basil couldnt do anything about it, like what are they hating for?? Man i love basil smm
I'm a straight girl, and I can see that Basil is gay AF. I mean, he helped cover a manslaughter without hesitation and kept it under wraps for four years, and was ready to take the secret to the grave!
There's only two kind of people who do something like that for another person: their mother and their spouse!
And I also love Sunflower for the healing together angle, but also because, let's face it, nobody would be able to understand Sunny and Basil's situation but each other
And thanks for recognising Kel has issues too, and he's just better at hiding it. Justice for our stepford smiler jock!!
I will always defend the complexities of Kel's character. His character hits way too close to home hahaha
@@ThornOBJ I said because, nerdy says that it's mostly queer people who sees the queer Basil angle, but maybe it's because I'm biased towards Basil and want him to be happy, but I can see the romantic undertones in Basil's character despite being straight.
That's why Basil is a real one 🙏
Kel does have issues, and lots of people don't get it and it's sad ;-;
DAMN SAME LMAO
Thank you for this video. It was really well made! As a gay man from a small religious community who also grew up in the 90's/00's, I immediately saw myself in Basil and just... assumed he was intentionally written to be read as gay. I didn't realize it was a controversial opinion because to me it seemed so obvious. Of course, I don't really care or mind when people see Basil as something other than gay, but it does irk me when people act like they can't understand why people *do* read him as gay. Thank you for putting so many good points together so succinctly!
I also think it's worth pointing out that daisies (the other flower that Basil is associated with) are often used as a depiction of perfect/true love, because it is technically two flowers that grew as one. :)
As for Sunny, I read him as bi the whole time. The 'string of fate that ties you together' felt like a big nod to the 'red string of fate' of true love. Not to mention Omori caries the rescued Basil princess-style in the Hikkikomori route hahaha.
Thank you for your hard work on this :)
Omori just goes: *slices him free of SOMETHING holding him to the wall and catches him bridal style* ... okay now to run from Stranger and head to neighbours room. *proceeds to book it carrying basil bridal style and placing him in his bed, tucking him in and then gets in his neighbours room bed and sleeps.*
Before playing the game I thought Basil was Omori's boyfriend/ex or something. He definitely is written as a queer character, intentionally or not
One of my favorite parts of the Sunflower ship honestly is just imagining Sunny as an adult trying to explain to people how his best friend literally gouged his eye out with garden shears, and not only were they still friends, but they ended up falling in love lmfao
You get it
"dw guys we just both had panic attacks at the same time ahahah..."
Agreed.
"so... how how did you get that scar?"
"haha... funny story..."
YES
11:55 there is something so true for me about this. Normally with fictional characters I understand when people dislike them and am perfectly fine with agreeing to disagree, but the reasons I see often baffle me when it comes to Basil. Basil is the most selfless, kind, and tragic character and to see him portrayed as some sort of evil psychopath because of his mental breakdown at the end of the game pisses me off so much. Basil’s parents left him with his grandmother because they didn’t have time for him, and because of this he’s super attached to Sunny and his mental health has been suffering. The fact that Basil knew how to stage a suicide suggests that he may have considered it at some point. He then gets abandoned by the person closest to him after doing the worst thing he’s ever done, and he’s then subsequently bullied by another friend for something he didn’t do. He spends 4 years in this small town deluding himself, trying to get through each day and still managing to take care of all of his plants, and finally Sunny comes out of his house! Maybe things can be how they were before, maybe he can get some reprieve from the constant turmoil. He then learns that Sunny is moving in three days and that hope is shattered. He gets pushed into the lake by someone he thought to be a friend, and is now on the brink of suicide, when the boy he’s been deluded about walks in.Basil is not a bad person, he’s a person who has been broken in many ways throughout his life and can no longer tell the difference between reality and delusion. I’d go into how much I hate the idea that Sunny despises Basil, but this comment is already too long so I’ll leave it at that
Hey I think this is a great comment!!!! But just a little note, it annoys me so much when people say the reason Basil knows how to tie a noose is because he's thought of or has attempted before (no hate to you specifically, many people claim this). The reason he knows is because A: a noose is commonly used for hanging plants, so of course he'd be experienced tying one. And B: He's 12, not 7. At 13 you'd very much expect someone to understand what suicide is and at least a few very basic ways people do it. They might not understand the complex emotional state that leads people to those actions, but they understand the idea behind how it's done. But you don't just spawn at 13 with all this slightly more adult information on life, it collects up over years. There is no evidence to suggest that prior to Mari's death Basil was depressed, in fact he says the opposite so many times. He was just an intelligent older child who panicked and jumped to a way of saving his best friend from prison. Which, Fun Fact, if this game takes place in America Sunny was old enough to be trailed for this in the same way an adult would have in almost every state. I don't think Basil knew this specifically of course, but I just thought I'd mention it because it's fucked.
Anyway sorry for the rant, this isn't specifically directed at you and more just my own anger at a dumb theory I see everywhere with no evidence beyond "oh he knows how to tie a noose" (logical explanation that doesn't involve suicide) and "what 12 year old knows what suicide is" (...how dumb do you think 12 year olds are), it just doesn't feel backed up by any actual real evidence to me that at 12 he had yet considered suicide. I think he at 12 had reasons to have and was already developing depression even without the traumatic events, but I don't think he did actually have those thoughts yet. But Everything else in your comment I so agree with!!! So many people seem to blame him as a character. I even saw someone the other day call him "selfish" because "he didn't want Sunny to leave" like, what???? He's so brilliantly complex and just so great.
@@babycakelings I think it varies depending on experience, I’d say you’d definitely be right about the plant knot thing, this I hadn’t thought about. However, not every child manages to learn things like this before they reach their teen years, I certainly wasn’t aware of how to stage a fairly believable suicide at age 12. Especially since the game seems to have been set earlier than present day, I don’t know if most 12 year olds just have a common knowledge of not only how to tie a noose, but how to make it believably look like someone else could’ve killed themselves without outside interference under extreme stress. I for one would have forgotten to put the treasure chest under her. Though again it’s completely reasonable to assume he just knew 1. From plants and 2. From general knowledge, so it is just conjecture. However I do think he still would’ve been struggling prior to the incident because of his notes about venting often to Sunny in his photo album, and because of his parents deciding to leave Basil with his grandmother. His abandonment issues and low self esteem appear slightly in Headspace Basil, who is supposed to be Basil before the incident. Anyways, I really don’t think it’s all that important since the detail is small and can only be speculated upon, and I don’t know how to close off this comment so I’ll just 👍 stop
@@iguessimhere2632 Yeah I think I agree. I'm not saying any child could do this at that age or that Basil didn't have issues, I'm just saying that many people seem to push the idea to make Basil's backstory even darker with no real evidence towards it. I'll explain what my actual opinion of an event that hurt Basil's mental state is in a second, but to avoid going too off topic straight up I'll just say that I at that stage think Basil had already went through trauma (both through being abandoned and an event I'll talk about in a minute). But I do not think he had thoughts of hurting himself yet or that his mental state actually had an effect on his decision to hang Mari, I think he would have done that no matter what mental state he was i assuming he had the know how there. I think he was being honest when he said he's the happiest he's even been, and even healthy kids rant to one another when their stressed. Nobody has a perfect life.
However, I do think he was developing depression and would have ended up mentally unwell even if nothing had happened with Mari. I mean, he was a very clearly queer kid growing up in the late 90s/ early 2000s who also shows some signs of being autistic and who's parents aren't around. He wasn't ever going to be ok as a teenager. But I think that and the events that led to Mari's hanging are separate if that makes senses?
Ok, now into the thing I avoided bringing up earlier. So, BIG TW FOR R*PE. Just don't read this paragraph if you can't handle that.
Now, I'm going to argue that I think real life Basil may have been sexually assaulted before the events of the game based off actual evidence in the game. Your probably gonna be confused, I was when someone brought it up to me, so let me break it down. Remember the character of Boss? Well he actually (according to the game files) has a real life counterpart, his name is Creepy Guy, he can be found after getting medicine for someone. His exact age isn't know, but he's thought to be in his mid to late 20s, at oldest 30ish, at youngest maybe 24.
Now, what does Boss do. Well, in headspace he kidnaps Basil and is banned from the playground. Originally that comes off as a childhood bully, but with the context of real him being a full on adult, it seems way more likely he's a pedophile. It just, the fact Sunny see's him as someone who kidnaps kids and "body-slams" them does not look good. As you said, Basil tells Sunny everything. So I wonder if Basil (being a sweetheart) told Sunny about this but also didn't blame Boss. Probably from blaming himself in some way, or being groomed. Anyway, I just thought I'd bring up that Theory. Because if you wanna go dark, that's the way to go with evidance backed up by the game. Basil also saying he's happy doesn't disprove this, as children who've went through sexual abuse can repress it to cope.
@@babycakelings i gotta say - Basil is my bias in omory. But i can understand why people dislike him. Not because of the incident or the fight with sunny. Just because... He always needs saving. He absolutely can't fight back and expects everyone (especially sunny and kel) to help him in all difficult situations. I understand that this is just the mix of all his problems leading to it and I absolutely don't blame him for it (I fricking love Basil) but people like him can be really annoying in real life. I had toxic relationship with two people similar to Basil and now I avoid this personalities as much as I can
Sorry for any mistakes I'm not a native speaker!
@@annatravina8928 I disagree. Sunny is actually the one that always needs saving, not Basil. Like you can read that Basil says something about sunny being a baby they all need to protect in the photo album, or how with Aubrey insulting Sunny in the irl sections it’s always Kel who defends Sunny, plus the like who truth was caused by Basil saving Sunny. The only time in the whole game someone saves Basil in the real world is when he’s attempting suicide, and even then both you and him still end up in the hospital. Basil doesn’t need saving, but he needs Sunny to tell the truth so he can stop protecting Sunny.
One of the artists for the game, Archeia, was a sunflower shipper even during the game's development. You can still find an unused test sprite sheet depicting what basically is a Sunny/Basil ship child in the game's files.
Where do I find the picture ?
HUH
HUUUH
@@IHaveInsomnia333 what the fuck💀
Can you please give a link to it? I know it's true tho, but I just really need a screenshot as proof, because my friend doesn't believe me...
OML
I also would like to add something to the flower language pile!
So we all know that Basil associates himself with the sunflower, but he says that sunflowers is what he WANTS to be, not necessarily the flower that is most close to his personality. There is a popular theory that daisies are the flower that represents Basil the best, and what do daises mean in flower language? True love. Also, in Basil's real world sprite, he wears a pink daisy and pink daises mean gentleness, love and romance (they also symbolize feminine energy so interpret that to whatever you like)
I think it is also notable that since we see the daisy in Black Space and Head Space, and never hear Basil himself talk about them, there is an implication that that association was made by Sunny himself. Daisies are also associated with keeping secrets, and we see during memory lane that Basil has always enjoyed keeping secrets, as it comes up in like all of the memories, and that's before even getting into how he hides the truth of the incident and the photo album. Since Sunny already seems to know what white egret orchids symbolize without them being associated with anyone in the group specifically, I think it can be assumed that Basil was constantly talking to to him about the meanings of different flowers, and Sunny decided to assign one to Basil on his own, since Basil never technically did so for himself. His flower pin actually appears to be a wild rose, since daisies in-game are depicted with a lot more petals than his pin. They hold similar meanings to a daisy, but it solidifies that Basil himself isn't the one making the daisy connection, which I think is kind of cute on Sunny's part
May I mention that in the final cycle in Headspace on the hikikomori route in neighbor’s bedroom Basil’s flower has been replaced with an daisy?
Remember guys Basil is (gay) Suffering from extreme mental trauma, and his 'devotion' to Sunny is born from a deep rooted fear of being alone, resulting in his breakdown when he is told Sunny is leaving. He can't handle not having Sunny around, jokes aside as a Sunflower shipper i find this video unironically really great
Basil went through four different iterations before Omocat settled on the soft, uwu, flower boy we love. And made him the only blonde of the group; and we all know the BL trope of light/dark hair. She planned this, she knew what she was doing!
That's true! There were some omori comic style drawings of him with a WAY different attitude when he had darker hair
The designs now fit because of the constrast, but the BL stereotype is also about constrasting colors
Don't forget the 2014 tweet either!
@@gabrielc7861WHAT 2014 TWEET
@@insertunoroginalnamehere6189 I tried posting the link but it was deleted, so just search up the shipping wiki's sunflower page and looking through the comments.
i dont know why but this comment made me gag
I think the devs didn't want any ships (besides hero/mari) to be actually canon but wanted to leave some crumbs, because after a game comes out one of the biggest reasons its going to stay alive is because of the fan content, which is mostly going to be ships. Though I guess basil canonically being gay wouldnt make much difference, BUT it could come off as random/unimportant, or like you said overshadow other aspects.
I think the Devs didn't want to *confirm* any ships as cannon (other than Mari and Hero) but the Devs all have different ideas for their own ships. That's what I like about the Omori Devs because while they all made the same game they all think differently about the people and characters in it. One of the artists, Archeia genuinely thought Sunflower was real in their own headcannon. Honestly I'd love to see what ships all the different Devs believe in and why. Feels like we don't get enough of what Devs think about their creations nowadays.
God, I remember how confused I was when people started calling sunflower a toxic ship... It had been my OTP for a *while* and when I saw that take (and everyone starting to go on a moral panic and start hating on sunflower in favor of suntan), it felt really weird haha. I guess that's kind of the thing with omori's fandom being young and people wanting to be as irreproachable as possible without really understanding what's genuinely bad and what's just... a harmless cute ship. I feel like this fandom is always looking for a subcommunity to bully/call problematic to have a moral high ground, sometimes. Or maybe I just spent too much time in it, lol.
I really like the points you're raising about people using the 'stereotype' argument as a shield for what is... mostly homophobia. I've only seen queer people in the fandom so far and omocat herself has written BL before -- it's not too far-fetched to assume that the most flamboyant guy with an obvious soft spot for his male best friend might be gay. I'm pretty sure no gay guy is complaining about people headcanoning Basil as queer 'based on a stereotype'. The people who claim to be protecting the queer community by saying Basil's straight are all cishet, strangely enough. /s
It was a really good video (also I really really like your voice haha, I was playing acnh while listening and treated the video like a podcast and it was Great), if you're planning to do other videos of the same kind I'll sure be here to watch them !!
Aaaa thanks sm!! I'm glad I could speak for the people who are kind of miffed by all the weird takes regarding Basil in the Omori fandom
Sunflower is also my OTP- cause I went from thi :'< to this :D real quick, and after that..im drained out because someone said it was toxic, and I dont know yet-
i think sunflower before the incident is adorable, but after the incident i dont think it would be healthy, they would definetly need some therapy before they should go into a relationship. but after that! it would be adorable! i think sunflower is really fucking cute! but from a psychological standpoint, they probably would be codependent on each other.
That's a point that was addressed in the video, I mostly disagree with you
@@theoku. Ik- :')
Oh please, do a bi-disaster analysis of Sunny as well, PLEASE ~ 🥺🙏
I second this!!!!!
I third this!
i fourth this
i fifth this!!!!
6th.
Oh my god THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT MY SILLY QUEER HEADCANONS ARE BECAUSE I WANT MORE CHARACTERS LIKE ME AND IT'S NOT JUST ME THINKING I'M BEING WEIRD
We all want to be seen haha,
I'm surprised at the fact this comment section isnt complete chaos, considering how controversial Basil is.
Very cool and good video.
I know that you said you don’t think you’ll make another video like this, but I’d definitely watch one about what Headspace says about how Sunny feels about Basil. I feel like so many people after three days left just kind of zone out during headspace and don’t acknowledge a lot of the little details
I know right? Basil is the second character that gets favouritism from headspace itself, the other being Mari.
Like Mari, he has his own personal space (Mari has the picnic blanket, Basil has both his huge garden and his own shoe house)
Like Mari, he has a scene of the entire group complementing him and encouraging him, and telling him they like him for who he is
Even when held hostage by Boss, he says Boss make sure he wasn't hurt, just like Mari is never hurt no matter the place her picnic is
And let's not mention how overpowered he is in the Boss Rush, being on par with Omori himself
Oh and also!
Mari and Basil are the only two people who actually hug Omori/Sunny in the entirety of the game
@@genesischaparro8954 and the cake that you make in sweetheart’s castle is a strawberry one. Since Sunny would have to be familiar with the recipe in order for it to appear in his dreams, there’s an implication that Sunny at the very least assisted with making Basil’s Birthday cake for the surprise party
THIS! Also, Basil's color palette is unique unlike the others (besides Mari) in headspace!
@@pinksoft39 oh! I thought it was because he's the only blonde in the group. But I'll take it
First and foremost I ship both Basil and Sunny with therapy
But for real there is no doubt that Basil is at least gay. In my headcannon though I like to see them as just best friends, I feel like I don’t see enough platonic friendships in media these days.
No hate on any other ships, people like what they like!
Fair!! You can acknowledge that Basil is in love with Sunny while not shipping them thats super valid tbh.
Personally their dynamic seems a bit too tender and loving to come off as just a friendship, but platonic dynamics are based and goated with the sauce. I personally see Sunny and Kel as peak brotherly friendship haha
@@NerdyArty calling platonic relationships based and goated with the sauce is the most beautiful thing I have ever read
Basil's character is beautifully written, just like this video. A lot of the people who argue against him and his ships seem pretty young. As a young person myself, I understand how it can be difficult to know what to trust and what to argue for. But I ask the people arguing against him to hear me out when I say to EMBRACE IT!! It is not a bad thing to enjoy something because it looks 'stereotypical.' It can actually be comforting to look at him and go "lol that's me." Stereotypes don't have to be seen as these terrible traits made to tear something down. They can be considered relatable, so anyone associating him with a certain sexuality, gender, etc can find comfort in that relatability. Headcanons are a wonderful thing for this reason. They can make a person feel like they are not alone. So, why tear down a harmless headcanon simply because it's 'cringe' or 'stereotypical?' Like it or not, the idea that people associate Basil with the LGBTQ+ community or heaven forbid ship him with another boy is comforting for those reasons, and that's why people like it so much. That's why I say to embrace it for what it is and try to find some enjoyment rather than be so quick to judge and argue. Again, this is a really great video that opened my eyes up to some things. Please make more like this
I haven’t watched the entire video yet, but so far just putting it out there: I love your tone of voice (ok that might sounds weird) LIKE it’s interesting and sounds like a normal conversation with my friends and everything you say is definitely relatable andnejsdjjakdjdj yeah let’s just say I really like this video I would recommend it to everyone I know but I think they’re tired of me ranting about ships lmao
AAAA?? Thank you sm you're so kind! I try my best not to sound like an intellectual or anything when I talk about my opinions on fandom because fandom is fun and not supposed to be taken too seriously haha. I'm also just,, a gay dumbass. But I'm glad you like the video
I'm halfway through the video and may I tell you I LOVE YOUR HAIR AND HOW YOU EXPLAIN THINGS AND I LOVE HOW YOU TALK ABOUT OTHERS THINGS TOO LIKE A LITTLE CONVO IT FEELS SO NATURAL LIKE IM LISTENING TO A FRIEND'S RAMBLING
I like unperfect ships because they arent perfect. It makes it so much more relatable and fun to think about. No relationship is going to be the best perfect most amazing thing. Its all bad. And in sunflowers case its through this bad experience the two can help eachother move through it. As many other people in the comments have said only they can understand eachother.
I 100% thought that this was going to be a shitpost but this was actually very entertaining and well written .
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Thumbnail looks goofy. Not like a video essay, at least.
I didn't know that I needed this video, when I was playing Omori, I couldn't help but sense that there's something about Basil's attitude towards Sunny that sole friendship couldn't explain, even the best of friends lol. This video helped with clearing some things up haha.
I'd like to add that although Basil's commentary on Sunny can be explained by his obssessive attachment issues due to preexisting childhood trauma, it doesn't rule out the fact that Basil may have romantic feelings towards Sunny. The reason why I'm saying this is because I've seen plenty of comments where people claimed that the only reason why Basil called Sunny ''perfect'' or acted the way he did with Sunny was because of his traumatic circumstances, and not attraction, and that Sunny is the only person that understands him and gives him what he wants.
To be honest, I think that's too much of a bold assumption, because that's also literally how most romantic attractions develope, so why so confident on asserting that Basil only views Sunny platonically?
Having personal experiences of developing attachments on a friend of the same gender only to discover later that it's attraction, as well as having unhealthy, obsessive, and idealizing tendencies towards those I've felt attraction to, I've always deemed Basil as a relatable character, someone living with childhood trauma, and someone with anxious/obsessive attachment tendencies.
So yeah, conclusion? Basil is gay traumatized boi, must protecc. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
as soon as I saw Basil I knew he was my favorite character lmao
after watching the vid, I think I might have a crush on my best friend
oh my god
I hope you guys get together then 🤩
please do more of these! your art, voice, writing, humor... is all nice
based analysis. especially about that part about Kel being more complex and the fandom’s negative reception about Basil.
I love this video, it's everything I've been trying to say but couldn't because I didn't know how. But this sums it up completely, thanks for this video.
I feel like I continue to find myself coming back to this video constantly, but I think another thing to point out regarding Basil's clinginess and protectiveness that is often overlooked, is that at some point in the months leading up to the Incident, he already nearly lost Sunny when Sunny almost drowned at the lake. Basil is the only character in the friend group that we don't get to see any kind of reaction from, since he didn't put anything in the photo album about it, and he obviously isn't present enough in the current day to ever say anything about it.
I think the key of what makes this incident important to the way that Basil views and treats Sunny is that in this instance, Basil was powerless to help Sunny. Basil can't swim, so if Mari hadn't jumped in to help and Sunny drowned, there would have been no way at all that Basil could have protected him. The incident not being mentioned in the photo album at all makes it really interesting for me to wonder about WHEN the lake incident happened. Did it happen prior to the beach visit, where Basil kept Sunny company on the sand? Sunny is never shown going into the water, but it's also hard to believe that Mari would want to visit the beach if both Basil and Sunny wouldn't be able to enjoy the water. Then it could've been prior to Sunny's birthday, since that is when Basil's photo album says that the rest of the group needs to take care of him since Sunny is the baby of the group, or maybe it was closer to the end of the Summer, which is when we know that Mari was more busy with college prep and Sunny chose to hang out with Basil more. Maybe I'm just weird for thinking too hard about this incident, though.
Something else interesting about it is that headspace Basil's dialogue in the spider room of Black Space seems to imply that Sunny has memories of opening up about the lake incident to Basil. It's really the only indication in the game that that aspect of their relationship went both ways, since every other mention of it focuses a lot more on Basil confiding in Sunny. If we are to assume that this implication is true and not just Black Space imprinting random memories on Basil, then Sunny opening up about the incident to Basil would also throw Sunny's fears of spiders, heights, and drowning, along with Sunny's feelings of being too weak and helpless to try and save himself. If you take the shock of almost watching Sunny die and combine it with the added context that would come from Sunny opening up about how he felt in that moment, it's easy to see why Basil would become more clingy and protective of Sunny leading up to the Mari incident
The lake thing probably happended in summer, since water is too cold at any other time of the year.
Next, kel and hero were there too. They jumped in twice before sunny (lost library). And sunny expected one of the brothers to save him. (Who ig were in the water). Mari was on the statue behind sunny, probably saying one of fear overcome dialogues. So she jumped for him first.
If I had to guess why the photo isn't in album, is because
A. Basil and Aubrey weren't there. (I don't remember them in lost library texts, which is almost the only source)
B. The lake thing is more about sunny and maris relationship, rather then anyone else. And no one ever broughts it up outside of Mari (expect for lost library context texts). Photos are made in bursts with a few being at the same day every time, so maybe just the oh, sunny jumped from the statue like he wanted, but kinda not really properly jumped and instant after that Mari jumped to save him wasn't that important.
Also really, that situation was so safe. Hero and kel were in the water/land near statue, Mari was on statue try to help sunny overcome fears. Sunny wanted to jump, just got scared and fell, and Mari instantly jumped after him. It's so split second.
@@QSBraWQ Aubrey absolutely was there. I would recommend heading to the lake hideout once Aubrey is in the party in the Sunny route! Hero, Aubrey, and Kel all get the chance to talk about it in a short little scene that a lot of people miss! It might be an evening only thing, or maybe you have to skip the recycultist stuff... honestly it's been a year since since I last played the Sunny route so the specifics aren't the most clear to me atm.
I don't have much interest in going too deep on this, since again it's been a year, but I one hundred percent think that the lake incident is about more than just Mari and Sunny's relationship, even if that's the most important part. Ignoring everything past me said about Basil... Take Hero, whose dialogue at the lake shows that he holds at least a little guilt for Mari being the one to jump in after Sunny despite Hero already being right there, and he of course wastes no time jumping in after Sunny and Basil on Two Days Left. This tells us a lot about about the person that Hero has grown up to be. The lake incident would have been a defining moment for the entire group, it took place at their own secret hideout, which they then completely abandoned afterwards, and I think it is absolutely fair to look into things in the game a little deeper to see how it all might fit together, especially when every character in the group gets mentions it in one way or the other (Basil in Black Space, the rest during the Lake Cutscene on One Day Left)
Also, Mari was not on the statue behind Sunny, or in the water at all. She isn't wearing a swim suit in the cutscene, she has a bad leg from when she played softball so jumping off statues probably isn't something she would be doing anyway, and her even being there isn't mentioned in the Lost Library, we only find out that she ran and jumped in after him later. I think you may have gotten mixed up a little on that, but that is the reason it's so surprising that she was the one to save him, rather than either Hero or Kel, who were already in the water
As someone whos loves this ship and can also somewhat relate to basils attachment towards sunny, and I can also agree that their shouldn't be any rush when it comes to them dating there's a a lot of trauma they need to deal with before even thinking about getting into a relationship. And I think every character in omori needs some serious therapy. i didn't play the game just because I liked a ship but because it showed me how unhealthy coping mechanisms can affect how your brain works and damage you. I love how well written the game is and how well written the characters are. with all that said I loved this video and I hope it helped other people understand why people think he's gay and that's its not JUST because of the way he looks.
gaysil real
ok but one thing i want to mention im actually happy that this video wasnt just oh its because he likes flowers and all that and this all makes sense and you actually made research u did such a good job on this💗💗
SPOILER
You cannot tell me he’s not fruity asf after literally taking his own life after finding out that Sunny was leaving 😭
I think Basil and Sunny do like each other (but I don't ship them), I also found it really cute the way Sunny looks at Basil in the photographs.
Edit: never mind, this is now my comfort ship! (Sunny X Basil X therapy)
Character growth
@@_.SunnySky Is it development or regression?
@@kmalavika development, sunflower 🔛🔝
27 minutes of someone explaining how basil is gay, such amazing things an omori fan can di
Lmao the first time I played I stupidly interpreted basil's attachment to sunny as a crush 💀 also their "RELEASE ENERGY!" animation is just.. so obvious.
GREAT video btw!
I showed my best friend (who's never heard of Omori in her life) a picture of Basil and her thoughts on him. Immediately, she asked "Is he gay?"
this was such a well-put together video essay oh my gosh?? This was such an interesting topic to hear about and you discussed it very eloquently :D
plus your art is so pretty and you actually remembered the complexity of Kel’s character so I am 100% a new subscriber lol
looking forward to what’s to come :DD
I joked about this video a bit, but actually went and watched it out of boredom. This changed my view on Basil, and has definitely resonates with me a lot. I did sorttt of already headcanon him like this, but this definitely makes this all a lot clear for me.
Awesome essay on my favourite Omori character!
After reading the white tulip dialogue there was no conceivable universe in which Basil wasn’t at least a little gay.
As for Sunny being a bi disaster?
Sounds relatable as hecc and I headcanon
I just realized...
Basil:
1. Not traditionally masculine
2. Soft spoken
3. Never had real freinds before the main protag gang
4. Many assumed he was a girl automatically
5. Clearly hiding something to protect his freinds (by @pixelator5312 in the replies)
That *really* sounds like a certain prince of the dark that I know... not sure what it means but the connections are very much there.
THISS
don't forget 5. very clearly hiding something to protect his friends
Wait who is this referencing????
@@Asmanidoesnotexist2 ralsei from deltarune i think
@@everyonelicksthesamerocks exactly that.
Something i've seen weirdly few people talk about is how basil can be *very* easily interpreted as a trans woman. His liking of traditionally feminine things and his first friendship connection being with Aubrey being the obvious ones, but also how he tends to be more shy can definitely point to him being less confident in the gender he presents with. Along with lots of other things about his character. The first time I watched a playthrough of omori the whole time Basil read as a trans woman to me so I was super shocked to find nobody bringing it up in the fandom and I was a little disappointed it didn't get mentioned in this video
THANK YOU SO MUCH OMG i was trying to explain to my friend how basil is probably in love with sunny and HE JUST DIDNT FREAKIN BELEIVE ME now i'm going to force him to watch this video (:
8:48
As an aroace person, I can confirm that I have never had this specific feeling. That being said, feeling any attraction at all (and I do, quite prominently so. Just not romantically or physically) was... confusing... like I'd always have to have an internal debate with myself whether what I was feeling was a crush or not. But looking back armed with the knowledge I have now, I can definitely say that it wasn't.
And that's just the cliff notes version of my experience with attraction lol
Really enjoyed this video by the way! I pretty much got gay vibes from Basil as soon as I saw him so pretty much none of this is surprising to me.
My cat came on the bed, I put her in my lap, and she watched this entire video with me
Your cat is a true queer ally
@@NerdyArty my cat hisses the f-slur when the word queer/lgbtq+ is mentioned. she is very homophobic despite her labeled mother...
@@averysadpizza6714 Same as how my mom’s old dog was racist and sexist.
Mewo
Your cat stares at you.
I completely agree, but I don't really care if he's gay or not. I just love Basil, gay or not. Nice video by the way!
8:55 *I feel so called out right here, oh boy*
I’m a Pansexual and Demisexual person (which basically is that I feel attraction to anyone regardless of gender, but I only feel attraction to someone that I have formed a strong emotional bond with.) I had this friend in 9th grade who wasn’t who would become my best friend, we would spend a lot of time together, like a ton. At the time, I was questioning what my sexuality and gender was and would switch a lot from label to label, I only knew that I wasn’t straight nor cisgender. So something that I would notice is that I felt a bit different when spending time with my friend, like a confusion feeling of happiness, but also affection, which was something I never experienced with a friend, I would often do stuff for them like small favors or get them gifts, and even do some things because of them, heck because of them, I downloaded discord and made more friends there, but something was clear alright, I was very very attached to them. I thought it was “Oh maybe I feel like this because I have trouble making friends” becauseI have to have problems making friends or keeping those friends (side note: I actually had like two best friends, the person I’m talking about and another one who isn’t my best friend anymore due reasons I don’t want to talk about), so I thought this was normal, it wasn’t because I don’t feel this way with my other best friend. Insert 26 of March, I was going to their house to celebrate their birthday (another side note: that’s not their actual date for their birthday, but they wanted to celebrate it again this date because they wanted to celebrate it again wi the me and other friends of ours) I met greeted my friend and hug them and everything, and after few more people came wr started the birthday activities, I had a lot of fun that day and it’s one of my happiest memories. But something clicked that day, and that’s was when I realized “Oh shit, Im in love with my best friend, aren’t I? Like I didn’t know how to feel with that realization, I think I got the equivalent of a gay panic that day. After that, I kinda became more affectionate with them, until they announced to me and my other friends that they were gonna move away to the USA (yes we live somewhere else, not saying where) which left me devastated, and this was in the last day of school. So I we try to do a lot of stuff to enjoy our last moments together. In the same day, I ended up telling them that I was in love with them, which their reaction was to apologize for not noticing that and the signs, which I told it was alright but I pretty much knew they didn’t share the same feelings as me, which to me, it was fine. So yeaaaa, that’s basically that moment where I felt like I could say I was definitely Pan and Demi, we still remain best friends to this day, although we occasionally call each other nicknames like sweetheart, dear, mi amor (my love in Spanish) and etc.
i want to give basil the biggest hug imaginable you have no clue how much i love this guy also your video is making me cry (in a good way dw, this game is just so emotional aaa)
One thing tho, if Basil really had a crush on Sunny I would imagine he would've acted at least a little bit frustrated in that memory where he discovers Sunny had a crush on Aubrey
not really, he maybe just want to make him happy and confortable, and omori happens on a small american suburb in the 90's or late 2000's, so Basil don't know you can be romantically attracted for someone from the same gender, and he just felt without explanation to his emotional attachments to Sunny
he probably may have been a bit jealous, but in the end, his just cares about sunny and his happiness. ESPECIALLY considering its just seems out of character for him to act like that openly (before the incident ofc. i saw what happened on three days left.)
You explained Basil's inner character so well through this video. I've always disliked how people saw him as the bad guy, when in reality he's more like a misguided soul, consumed by trauma and protecting Sunny at all costs.
As a queer guy myself, I've always seen Basil through my own perspective as a very deep and interesting character which most people overlook and take at face value. The trauma he went through, the mental health issues, and the possible confusion about religion, gender, and sexuality you brought up all mix together into in my opinion one of the most well-written video game characters I've seen in recent years.
(Plus the thought of them healing together also brought a smile to my face cause you don't really see that too often throughout the fandom, So thanks for that)
when you said that Basil "creates" this monster that actually killed Mari it got my theory brain going. Thinking that maybe Sunny's "Something" is further powered by Basil's own denial. Basil's own insistence that Sunny would never do something like that. Considering how we know that Omori is the false Persona of Sunny to basically create a completely safe space for Sunny to never face the truth, we still see two invaders. One is stranger aka real world Basil, as well as Sunny's Something. When also thinking about the Egret flower and how it represents "MY thoughts will follow you into your dreams" is it not a plausible theory to think that Sunny's "Something" is not powered in part by Basil himself?
this video perfectly put into words what I've been feeling for a while in the Omori community. Seeing homophobic comments about Basil really irked me, and seeing such a positive queer perspective on him was super liberating. Thank you so much for your hard work, and good luck with art school!
Finally an Omori analysis I can actually agree with!
But seriously though this guy is fruitier than a fruit basket
Sunflowers always look at the sun. Basil is a sunflower and Sunny’s name has sun in it
AND BASIL IS GAY
Also: I find it so frustrating the double standards headcannons for completely unlabeled characters get. If someone says “x character is cisgender/heterosexual” no one bats an eye. However if someone says “x character is queer” then people will crawl out of the woodwork to not only say that isn’t a good headcannon, but that the person is actually an awful human being for thinking that. Like why do we have to justify our headcannons just because we assume a character could somehow be like us.
Fandom is wild sometimes lol
As a random straight guy, Basil is gay. End of conversation
Im wary watching most omori videos related to shipping/headcanons since the fandom for a very dark game also says fucked up things to ppl who like fucked up ships in fiction... but I was pleasantly surprised at how you handle each topic! sunflower is such an interesting ship, and like any other ship (no matter how fucked up it could be), its valid af, and basil and sunny relationship is so interesting in general. Basil has always stuck out as queer-coded to me so seeing it actually explored without it being the butt of jokes in the fandom is something I don't get to see a lot, especially on UA-cam. Banger analysis and very fun and tasteful video and covering of the topics. 10/10
I feel bad for you every single time I go into a Fandom I always find the most nicest people in the Fandom but it's really sad seeing people that's experiences have been shitty I hope you have a better time in the omori Fandom.
I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO AGREES WITH ME(he is also strangly obsessive as when he was like really obsessive during the time he was in the bathroom because he kept saying "Everything's going to be ok.." repeatedly which is odd considering him and sunny were best friends and I'm convinced he didn't want to either lose his crush or best freind...)
really off topic but the way you present (not to be confused with how you present your identity but like present information) is how I also present (the hand gestures and nervous giggling) and I've always been self-conscious about how I present since I always felt that it's "unprofessional" and not fit (especially in an academic setting). but seeing you present and how you express your passion in this topic kinda helped me think about that, and you present well!! Just wanted to say that I'm glad I stumbled upon your video
Awww you're so sweet!
WAIT A SECOND... people think he's straight??? as a gay guy myself, i really see myself in basil. his awkward behavior (like you perfectly mentioned) is exactly how i felt as a kid. also just living in a small religious city as well, is a huge factor imo. HE'S JUST LIKE ME FR! both me and my close friend agree that basil is gay because he scarily reminds us of the vulnerability that comes of being gay and having to keep quiet about it. we made a little (dumb) theory that if the good ending wasn't an allegory of forgiveness and mental health, surely it would be an anticlimactic allegory for being gay. hiding it from everyone else, and though unsure of what everyone around you would think and though things around you will change while you're still figuring out yourself, in the end, you tell people what you are, and no matter what they say, you're content that you've finally said it.
anyways i really love this video. i love watching omori essays and i haven't see one that i love this much in quite a while, so thanks for that!!
everyone in the friend group has to be gay honestly. except for hero hes the token straight💀
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SO TRUE TOUGH - i personally hc Aubrey as Les, Basil as gay, Sunny as Bi and Kel as Pan (and then there's the mess that happens when my multishipper ass decides "Hey let's make the one left out at the moment aroace" cause of course I do 💀)
this is was an amazingly written video. how you described things were *perfect* (lol).
i’ve seen so much hate for basil and especially sunflower. at first when i finished the game i loved sunflower. it was my favorite ship. then i kept seeing hate for it and some people genuinely had good points that countered what i thought. so i stopped shipping them and i didn’t hate it but didn’t like it either. but it has gotten to the point where i’m guilty and feel the need to clarify he has issues whenever i say that i like him.
i honestly love that you gave all the reasons how each ship would need working on. also finally kel is getting the recognition he deserves with his obvious repressed grief. i fully agree that sunflower doesn’t work rn. they need to heal more before actually getting in a real relationship. dating when they are both in that mental state right after post game isn’t healthy for either of them and im glad to said it (heck thinking about it in literally 2 of the 4 main endings sunny sewerslides. basil in 2 tho im sure he’d be even more messed up after the bad ending. geez these kids go through a lot). its been something i needed to hear from someone other than myself.
now im gonna get into some personal things because i am a major basil kinnie. he’s my top kin too. ngl seeing all the basil hate from the fandom has actually affected me. like genuinely. being so emotionally connected to him and understanding what he feels because what i’ve been though like him (not the incident but pretty much all the other stuff). even tho i haven’t gone through EXACTLY what he’s been through. here’s it basically, one of my best friend moving deeply affected me, not to mention my best friend replacing me for another at the same time, my childhood abandonment issues, intense anxiety, generally being obsessed with others and thinking so highly of them. i could go on but i’ll stop there lol. but really, hearing how much people hate him feels like they are taking about me too (i have bad emotional connections to kinnies so that could be why). just watching this video makes ME feel understood. i’ve been misunderstood by others my entire life and now that basil is understood, i do too.
I think I could write an essay about how I hate the two views of basil in the fandom. There’s this side where they think he’s an “uwu soft femboy baby” and the other that think he’s a “psychotic narcissistic malicious murderer”. when he’s neither. he’s a complicated character and im sick of people boiling him down to those. the bottom line is HE IS TRAUMATIZED. the reason he’s the way he is is because he’s traumatized. and like i’ve said, as a basil kinnie im tired of it. i want my top kin looked at in a better, more real light than he has. i could talk more but i’ll restrain myself for now.
thank you for this video, genuinely. it’s amazing and points you made are all very true. this has honestly been a great start to my day
again thanks for taking the time to make this amazing video
- a queer basil kinnie
Also, gotta say, if Basil *was* bullied for his gender expression growing up (obviously we don't know for certain but as you said it could be possible) then it would really reframe what Aubrey did to him in a MUCH worse light. I mean, imagine being bullied as a kid for not fitting gender expectations, finding a group of friends, but then when you're in most need of someone one of your friends suddenly starts relentlessly bullying you for being a "freak".
STOP!! MY HEART!!!!
@@NerdyArty Not to mention the duet flashbacks imply that Aubrey and Basil knew each other before they met everyone else (which would make sense as they live pretty close together), and Aubrey was the one to introduce him to everyone else.
@@CollinBuckman I mean, Aubrey took solace in religion after Mari’s death. I do think she may have some homophobia.
@@Omori201X She tries, but she never seems to actually find God (I mean the priest says that when he tries to talk to her she just insults him)
i always thought basil had atleast some feelings for sunny
I'll be honest, I have a couple issues with the writing for a lot of the characters (most of it just comes down to not showing enough of them) but Basil easily has the most complex and complete story. It's such a shame views like this aren't more common, people kinda just pick the most broken kid and pick on him
Also YES on the ending
we take what we can get and it's always valid and usually at least a bit warranted!!! (Besides my headcanoning every character as aroace but idc I'm keeping those)
I absolutely want a video about how every character is this game is queer. I need this kind of comfort after all the homophobia I've been exposed too in this fandom lately 😢
Honestly it blows my mind to think someone could play Omori and NOT think Basil is gay?? The queer subtext is barely "sub" in this case. I'm not really into Omori shipping in general, I'm all about that found family dynamic personally, BUT like. The flower language and his actions in the plot alone are like??? So yeah I am here for you spreading the important word.
Videos like these make me like Basil more thank you
i find basil very relatable, other than i didn't cover up manslaughter when I was 12
PLEASE RHE FEEBIE BOUBA MIPY DIPY IMAGS I WAS TRYING SO HARD NKT TO LAUGH
(also tbis analysis is rlly rlly good (i got extremely excited when i heard the word sunflower when you were talking about flowers))
i used to have a really toxic friend that bullied me for having basil as a comfort character and called him whiny and annoying:< i relate to basil in so many ways, and im so glad i found this community. also, amazing video:3
I hope you have kinder and more empathetic friends now at least!
I absolutely agree that Basil is gay and I adore SunFlower fan content, though I tend to interpret their relation as being a bit one sided. Basil is completely in love with Sunny and sees him as perfect, while Sunny doesn't reciprocate his feelings in the same romantic way. Don't get me wrong, Sunny absolutely sees him as his best friend, but it's heavily implied that Sunny's crush is Aubrey (which I also see as being very one sided heh). So I imagine Basil being absolutely in love with Sunny, watching him crush on their mutual friend while needing to hide his feelings for the sake of the friendship. Though, I won't entirely rule out the idea that the two may eventually date after the good ending.
Like you can’t have multiple crushes
I feel like this sum’s up how I feel about Basil:
“Omg he was so selfish and dumb and overly clingy-“
He was 12.
I'll admit that I have and always have had mixed perspectives on Basil being gay or not, because I think for him and a lot of Omori characters (especially Sunny) its more complicated than just gay or straight, but you did take my one perspective of Basil being COMPLETELY straight and drove it into the ground, then ran it over with a car. So kudos 😂
11:44 LITERALLY i related to him so hard and it made me really sad to see that so many people think he's annoying :(
i personally struggled for a LONG time with worrying that everyone thought i was annoying, so, even though i'm over that now, seeing so many people say that a character i heavily related to was unlikeable and annoying and whiny was kind of a gut punch for me
this is the only video i have ever seen from you but trust me, i will defende you with my whole being, i love you, THANK YOU!
“YEAH BASIL, YOU’RE ALWAYS HOLDING HANDS WITH YOUR SUN TOO, YOU AINT SLICK.”
JSJSJJSSJ 😭
The argument that Sunflower is toxic always seemed really weird to me, and this is coming from a Sunburn/Cactiflower shipper. Like you said, ALL of these kids are traumatized and dealing with it in really poor ways. And the word "kids" is an important one here, I think. Sans Hero, all of these characters are literal children, and even Hero is still technically a teenager. I wouldn't assume that they were gonna be the most well-adjusted people in the world even if they didn't have to deal with the aftermath of Mari's death.
I wish more people would just admit that they ship things because they find the ship charming. Like, do I have ANY reason for shipping Cactiflower beyond "it's cute"? Of course not. It's just cute. I can come up with more reasons for Sunburn, but even then my main reason is "tomboy x malewife, so cute"
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I don’t really see sunny as a male wife but I can agree on some stuff you said there
people thought he was straight?
yes, he's probably gay.. in fact he seems to canonly maybe be. But.. I have a fat crush on him (T-T) And yet I still ship Sunflower
And no.. it's not bc of the stereotype of him bein a fem-boy. I just like sweet guys ok.
The first time i saw BASIL and they said ''he'', me and my sister looked slowly to each other and had a shocked face because BASIL is a HE, i was so shocked.
My cousin showed me Omori, I watched them play it on their x-box and istg as soon as I saw basil I was like “girl” then my cousin corrected me. Then I saw the relationship between sunny and basil and I swear all I could think was “gay”. As a queer person, I agree with your statement.
Side note: basil is one of my favorite characters, the way he is written and everything else just relates to me on some level, I mean I haven’t experienced nearly as much trauma as him but we have similar coping skills, I guess that’s why I relate to him sm.
Please make more of these types of videos because they are such a joy to watch!
I totally agree with your points, little silly flower boy my beloved is definitely very gay
I want to talk for a bit about my experiences if that’s okay. I know that I’m VERY late to the party and all, but oh well.. Anyways, as a transmasc person that just so happens to have social anxiety, Basil is without a doubt one of the most relatable fictional characters ever, even if I don’t really relate to the whole “hanging a body and feeling trauma for it” thing (I doubt anyone ever actually has that, honestly, No offense it’s just oddly specific), although I do have some trauma that I still sometimes think about to this day. What I’m trying to say is that I’m the type of person to project myself onto fictional characters, and Basil is the only character that I can project on with him still being, well, in character. If I try to relate to anyone else, I end up viewing them in a way that isn’t exactly canon (often very far from it) y’know? I love animals. I love flowers, I love taking pictures of things, even if I don’t really like being in them. I ADORE learning about the language of flowers, and I want to know why people thought of them that way in the first place. Human nature is so mysterious, and so is nature itself, and I just wanna learn more! Sorry for the whole essay..
I know this have nothing to do with the video(Sorry) but I just wanted to say that you are really pretty (Sorry again :'3)
Sunflower a comfort ship fr fr and I just wish it wasn't as hated and misunderstood by the community.
Frrrrr let the soft bois hold hands they deserve it.
@@cal4199 Yes facts
While it doesn’t deserve ALL the hate it for some reason gets, you really can’t deny it’s really unhealthy.
@auby It's not unhealthy enough except during the game but afterwards we can't say for sure. Sunny and Basil already mutually care about each other and like each other whether it's romantic and platonic like and care of each other. The only reason it's considered unhealthy by people is because of the game and Basil's actions towards Sunny which were mostly panic responses and literal mental illness and same with Sunny. And I can admit it was unhealthy at first. However, two mentally ill people can eventually be in a relationship they can be together and can be happy together and heal together especially with therapy involved its weird how people immediately jump to Sunflower being for sure unhealthy when there's other ships that are and we can say for sure are and it bothers me how the two characters involved in the ship are mentally ill and people are using their mental illness traits as a reason it'd always be unhealthy when we don't know that for sure.
@@row7356 I will say after a few years of therapy maybe it could work, but maybe it’s not the best for bagel, as he has extremely clingy responses and seems to even have a unhealthy obsession with sunny. Like let’s say if they are together, sunny says he’s going on a family vacation with his mom and basil would probably have a full on breakdown.
Amazing video! I've love to see more of your thoughts on Omori!
In my opinion, Basil is definitely a queer character. Omori has such intentional writing, omocat is clearly obsessed with details and is an excellent writer, there is NO WAY she wrote basil and didn't intend for him to be in love with Sunny. and honestly people discredit it because it's toxic but imo I think that's important, people would rather avoid these subjects because it makes them uncomfortable, but omori is a game all about dealing with uncomfortable feelings.
This entire video basically feels like everything I've been saying about Basil and Sunflower for the past year now, and I love it. Your explanations are absolutely on point, and it's good to have a positive take on the matter in the sea of endless complaints which are (usually) filled with a lot of underlying homophobia.
Something I want to touch on when it comes to Sunflower as a ship is my perspective as someone who enjoys the less then wholesome interpretations of the ship. It's for the same reason I love wholesome Sunflower really, it perfectly encapsulates Omori's themes as a game. As much as Omori is a game about forgiveness, self-acceptance, and learning to move on, it's just as much a game about trauma, guilt, and strained relationships. Sunny and Basil spiralling out of control because they aren't stable enough to support the other through their healing, and breaking down further as a result, feels just as in line with the original game as the two of them healing from their trauma, and being happy together having finally moved on.
Also please give me the bi disaster Sunny video. I also think Sunny is bi and either doesn't realize he has feelings for Basil, or repressed them heavily because of the truth. I would absolutely love to hear your take on that though.
OMG FINALLY, I always have shipped Sunflower, and seeing the fandom hate on it so much just really made me disheartened and like- pushed to the side, especially with just how easy their complaints where to break. I'm totally chill with people no shipping them or even disliking it, my closet friend doesn't like Sunflower very much. But the point where it goes to far is when people are hating on it in not just an opinionated way but genuinely taking it like if u like this ship ur bad or sm. As a gay genderfluid dude I relate to Basil so much, and it also kills me to hear people saying how annoying or stupid Basil is, idk I get everyone has opinions but some of those shouldn't be voiced as they can hurt lol-
Sunflower shipper out-
I don’t have a problem with it besides that sunny hasn’t shown big romantic feeling for basil
i really loved the way u talk and i’m looking forward to more of your art or analysis!!!
top tier video, and you made all the points ive made defending this poor boy. i love basil and the sunflower ship as a lesbian. and honestly basil is my favorite character from omori just because i relate so deeply to him and his queerness. i also get gender envy from him...
i think much of the conflict with ppls interpretations w omori characters as a whole is that people may be looking at everyone in black and white too much, and like you said, and completely miss the point of the game. ppl always try to jump to the "higher moral ground" a lot these days.
in the end i dont interact w the fandom very much because of all the drama w ppls interpretations or whether ppl are good ppl or not. but at times when i do find ppl like you within a fandom it does bring me hope that not all is lost.
Shipping two characters because they both (SPOILERS)
Orchestrated a murder to look like a suicide. I dig it!