Wow 👏 this just made me reinsure myself more that the tone is definitely in the hands more than anything & how hands can manipulate what comes out of the amp!! cause all speakers sound different even same brand but different year. But doesn't matter what speakers or cab can sound harsh & painful if hands & players feel can't tame the pain that comes out through speakers
I just returned 2 Celestion V30’s made in China because when buying them I was under the impression that they where made in the UK. I can’t stand the made in China Celestions they sound we to harsh/ice picky for my style and type of tone I go for. I know the made in China speakers do have there area where they shine.
Chinese GB is harsh, Ive-pick in the ears. UK has that thick low end, present mids, and tamed, yet clear high end. If you can’t hear the difference you’re tone deaf. Not trying to offend anyone but there really is such a thing. Like those who say new tubes sound the same as NOS tubes lol. Put some Sylvanias in and then some JJs. If you can’t hear a difference then you’re definitely tone deaf.
There is a difference. The UK made have more brilliance and sounds more open. It seems to be a bit louder too. Could it be that the China made is more played and more broken in?
I have played UK greens for decades . I could here a difference but only in a side by side test . If you asked me to identify a china green in a stand alone test , I do not think I could do it . But guitarists are stupid ,so remember that . You can tell em this or that is rare and expensive and they will throw money at you .
There is no shortage of "experts" on guitar forums who will tell you all sorts of bullshit about tonewoods, tubes and whatnot.. So yeah, listen with your ears, not your eyes.
I had several cabinets with Chinese or UK celestions ... all Chinese sounded too harsh / ice. The worst were my engl 4x12 pro cab with Chinese celestion v30 ... all the engl cabs sobt with Chinese celestions ... it sounded incredibly bad ... I could not correct the sound with the eq, it had nothing to do ... when I tried a mesa boogie cab a store I was really surprised I bought it immediately ... I understood when I opened the cab and saw the v30 ... I interchanged the speakers of a cab to another to see if it was the construction of the cab that made the difference and the engl had a really incredibly good sound with the mesa v30 ... same thing for the cabs that I have with the greenback ...
The more i listen the more i like the China made. It sounds warmer the UK made sounds toppier. If the UK made is from 2021 it it can’t be as much played as the Cina made. Then many things affect the sound of a speaker. How much it been played, where it’s been stored, humidity and so on. If you you grt the the mic just a few mm different it Will also affect the tone. If you compare two China made or two UK made they probably won’t sound the same either. The China made and UK made use the same material and manufacturing precess.
I had several cabinets with Chinese or UK celestions ... all Chinese sounded too harsh / ice. The worst were my engl 4x12 pro cab with Chinese celestion v30 ... all the engl cabs sobt with Chinese celestions ... it sounded incredibly bad ... I could not correct the sound with the eq, it had nothing to do ... when I tried a mesa boogie cab a store I was really surprised I bought it immediately ... I understood when I opened the cab and saw the v30 ... I interchanged the speakers of a cab to another to see if it was the construction of the cab that made the difference and the engl had a really incredibly good sound with the mesa v30 ... same thing for the cabs that I have with the greenback ...
the speakers between the v30 uk marshall, mesa boogie and orange are all different they do not have the same voicing ... not the same materials but they are all very good ... against the standard v30 that you can buy in stores them are all the same but do not have the same materials as the uk ... celestions make unique copies for orange, mesa and marshall c edt why we can not buy them in store except to buy the cab directly ... it is certain that they don't have the same materials either
c is the same for guitars ... ltd compare to esp ... epiphone compare to gibson ... the guitars look alike but are not made in the same location with the same materials ...
@@yannickgauvin7987 The Greenbacks made in China are made of the exact same materials, the same way and with the same machines that was shipped over to China. The difference is the factory there is geared up for mass production quantities. I got a Marshall 1960BX cab made and bought late in 2016. When i asked Celestion where the GB’s in it were made they answered i had to take the back off and check since that was the time they started making them in the UK again. I haven’t taken the back off and checked yet but the cab sounds great. Celestion said this: There are a lot of things that can affect speaker’s tone, such as how long it has been played for (longevity of playing softens a cone and changes its tone). If the UK build one is this year’s then it’s going to have less playing time on it, more likely, so that will make a difference. Environmental factors such has humidity play a large part - has the older speaker been stored somewhere damp or humid, even just for a few hours? It makes a big difference and drying it out again doesn’t restore it exactly. Also were they miked at exactly the same position and angle? Even a difference of a couple of mm can make a huge difference. All I can tell you Mats is that the Greenbacks built in China or in the UK use exactly the same parts and exactly the same manufacturing process. Age changes a speaker and they all age differently…
@@matsandersson8857 absolutely not agree...in 2015 i had a new in box 2000 UK made greenback never used then i bought a new chinese One..so both never used speaker...well they didn't sound nothing similar..more bass and fizzy treble for china, more mids and volume for UK...also less headroom from chinese One...
I had chi-NA GB for a few years & I just could not vibe with them. Nothing chinese made is any good. They have some good ideas but lack on any quality.
@@matrixmodulator first comparison in vid is more noticeable but 2nd comparison is hardly noticeable if at all. But I think he turned up the gain for 2nd comparison.
uk has that classic 70’s greenback tone
Screw the speakers...LOL , I keep coming back for Glen's playing! Thanks Glen! Love my Perplex’d S3
ha ha - thanks!!
Thanks for doing the comparison. Amp sounds amazing by the way. Super juicy!
Wow 👏 this just made me reinsure myself more that the tone is definitely in the hands more than anything & how hands can manipulate what comes out of the amp!! cause all speakers sound different even same brand but different year. But doesn't matter what speakers or cab can sound harsh & painful if hands & players feel can't tame the pain that comes out through speakers
I just returned 2 Celestion V30’s made in China because when buying them I was under the impression that they where made in the UK. I can’t stand the made in China Celestions they sound we to harsh/ice picky for my style and type of tone I go for. I know the made in China speakers do have there area where they shine.
I like both!! In a 1x12 maybe the uk one. In a 2x12 or 4x12 I think it would be nice to have a blend of both.
What microphone are you using? Sounds great! UK all the way BTW.
Chinese GB is harsh, Ive-pick in the ears. UK has that thick low end, present mids, and tamed, yet clear high end. If you can’t hear the difference you’re tone deaf. Not trying to offend anyone but there really is such a thing. Like those who say new tubes sound the same as NOS tubes lol. Put some Sylvanias in and then some JJs. If you can’t hear a difference then you’re definitely tone deaf.
Uk
There is a difference. The UK made have more brilliance and sounds more open. It seems to be a bit louder too. Could it be that the China made is more played and more broken in?
What are your impressions in the room?
Liked the China more.... Not so harsh as the UK
China Sounds better to me there, less bottom, Faster sound
What a big difference you can't miss it are those both m12 75 hz ? Nice playing by the way and thanks for the video I just found your channel
Yes - both 75 hz cones. One made in China and one the new one since they switched back to UK production.
@@-DILLIGAF I like them both - they're just different. China one tighter sounding and less congested but UK one richer.
I have played UK greens for decades . I could here a difference but only in a side by side test . If you asked me to identify a china green in a stand alone test , I do not think I could do it .
But guitarists are stupid ,so remember that .
You can tell em this or that is rare and expensive and they will throw money at you .
There is no shortage of "experts" on guitar forums who will tell you all sorts of bullshit about tonewoods, tubes and whatnot.. So yeah, listen with your ears, not your eyes.
is a u made g12m 25watt
try two of the same origin side by side, please.
oops, … im a few years late. rock on.
I had several cabinets with Chinese or UK celestions ... all Chinese sounded too harsh / ice. The worst were my engl 4x12 pro cab with Chinese celestion v30 ... all the engl cabs sobt with Chinese celestions ... it sounded incredibly bad ... I could not correct the sound with the eq, it had nothing to do ... when I tried a mesa boogie cab a store I was really surprised I bought it immediately ... I understood when I opened the cab and saw the v30 ... I interchanged the speakers of a cab to another to see if it was the construction of the cab that made the difference and the engl had a really incredibly good sound with the mesa v30 ... same thing for the cabs that I have with the greenback ...
are they 16 or 8 ohms speakers individually ? thanks
16
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Uk seems like it has more lower mids
thanks. You sold me UK version. Much better, less harsh
The more i listen the more i like the China made. It sounds warmer the UK made sounds toppier. If the UK made is from 2021 it it can’t be as much played as the Cina made. Then many things affect the sound of a speaker. How much it been played, where it’s been stored, humidity and so on. If you you grt the the mic just a few mm different it Will also affect the tone. If you compare two China made or two UK made they probably won’t sound the same either. The China made and UK made use the same material and manufacturing precess.
I had several cabinets with Chinese or UK celestions ... all Chinese sounded too harsh / ice. The worst were my engl 4x12 pro cab with Chinese celestion v30 ... all the engl cabs sobt with Chinese celestions ... it sounded incredibly bad ... I could not correct the sound with the eq, it had nothing to do ... when I tried a mesa boogie cab a store I was really surprised I bought it immediately ... I understood when I opened the cab and saw the v30 ... I interchanged the speakers of a cab to another to see if it was the construction of the cab that made the difference and the engl had a really incredibly good sound with the mesa v30 ... same thing for the cabs that I have with the greenback ...
the speakers between the v30 uk marshall, mesa boogie and orange are all different they do not have the same voicing ... not the same materials but they are all very good ... against the standard v30 that you can buy in stores them are all the same but do not have the same materials as the uk ... celestions make unique copies for orange, mesa and marshall c edt why we can not buy them in store except to buy the cab directly ... it is certain that they don't have the same materials either
c is the same for guitars ... ltd compare to esp ... epiphone compare to gibson ... the guitars look alike but are not made in the same location with the same materials ...
@@yannickgauvin7987 The Greenbacks made in China are made of the exact same materials, the same way and with the same machines that was shipped over to China. The difference is the factory there is geared up for mass production quantities. I got a Marshall 1960BX cab made and bought late in 2016. When i asked Celestion where the GB’s in it were made they answered i had to take the back off and check since that was the time they started making them in the UK again. I haven’t taken the back off and checked yet but the cab sounds great.
Celestion said this:
There are a lot of things that can affect speaker’s tone, such as how long it has been played for (longevity of playing softens a cone and changes its tone). If the UK build one is this year’s then it’s going to have less playing time on it, more likely, so that will make a difference.
Environmental factors such has humidity play a large part - has the older speaker been stored somewhere damp or humid, even just for a few hours? It makes a big difference and drying it out again doesn’t restore it exactly.
Also were they miked at exactly the same position and angle? Even a difference of a couple of mm can make a huge difference.
All I can tell you Mats is that the Greenbacks built in China or in the UK use exactly the same parts and exactly the same manufacturing process. Age changes a speaker and they all age differently…
@@matsandersson8857 absolutely not agree...in 2015 i had a new in box 2000 UK made greenback never used then i bought a new chinese One..so both never used speaker...well they didn't sound nothing similar..more bass and fizzy treble for china, more mids and volume for UK...also less headroom from chinese One...
I had chi-NA GB for a few years & I just could not vibe with them. Nothing chinese made is any good. They have some good ideas but lack on any quality.
Not much of a difference to me.
listen again, the uk is fuller and has less harsh frequency in high-mids
@@matrixmodulator agree but very slight.
@@matrixmodulator first comparison in vid is more noticeable but 2nd comparison is hardly noticeable if at all. But I think he turned up the gain for 2nd comparison.
@@Briman24 put headphones or better speakers maybe, i would say it's a small difference but not "very slightly"
Small? no not small at all somewhat big i would say, at this point if its chinese i aint buying!
With this over the top amount of gain everything will sound the same.
actually the opposite is true when it comes to speakers - using a lot of gain exaggerates the differences between them.
@@DerSilvano well if glen fricker said it it must be true 🤣
@@DerSilvano and we all know glen fricker's evidence is 100% accurate and reliable.