He insults his opponent's stupid unit comp - just to build an even dumber one... | IODIS
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Can't wait until this guy finds out about the Terran Ghost.
Ah yes the canceled game starcraft ghost. It was so promising
Lol, I can't wait for Moo's next IODIS submission: "Captain, I took your advice to use archon. My early game was not perfect, but I still DOMINATED my opponent with my mass archon play. I took out a base and told my opponent to leave the game, as is customary. But then this IMBA terran builds ghost units and easily destroys my army, even with shield upgrades finished for my archons!"
@@aquilegia9734He could have shorten it to any toss units, and it would have still made sense LOL. The ghost counters an entire race
@@HungTran-gz5emtwo, even. ghost’s power really needs to be spread out lol
@@HungTran-gz5em Except they don't counter an entire race and that's an angry Diamond league scrub comment 😂
"You're an idiot too, buddy. We're in this together." the human condition summarized
The swapping between redfury and bluefury was a fun little visual joke throughout the video. Love the attention to detail.
even when its only a few frames ~5:10. but this begs the question, where is GREENFURY?!
That's Hamster taking every opportunity to poke fun at Harstem.
There is kind of a rule about how the colors get assigned.
Harstem messed it up and Hamster jumped on the mistake.
Hamster is next level. I also liked the new camera box style. It looks more organic.
When he told him to leave the game he was down 30 army supply lol
This might've been the dumbest IODIS yet. Guy takes awful fights but is still winning because Terran mech is doodoo vs Protoss, then loses anyway because he switches out of his winning army comp for no reason lmao
and he even says it in chat at the end "k just mass immortals next time" like ...yep!
"It's like showing up with the morning after pill to your son's 17th birthday" - if I had a drink it would be on my monitor now 😂
Mine's on my keyboard.
Agreed, that was a great analogy
And he still keeps saying he's not a comedian 😅
This can be a form of psychological abuse.
I think Moo's first scout is a great example of "I scouted but I dont understand what I saw" dude has seen 0 marines and reactor on factory, goes Thermal Lance and I think its cuz he still doesnt know he's fighting mech. Also I am wildin out over the "I made immortals cuz I thought that was the counter, won, then STOPPED making immortals, then flamed my opponent about my terrible build/macro/micro"
disruptors would've been a better bet
Tbf a reactor on factory usually doesn't mean shit, any decent player knows that the scout on whether a Terran is playing bio or mech is dependent on seeing the extra factories/rax. Edit: But in this game he scouted the mech army comp with an observer before going thermal.
Honestly this game is funny just because "Mech" comps like this in TvP aren't viable and it feels like someone is playing a challenge against you when they try to do this if you just make immortal/zealot/archon(if no ghost) and/or disruptors especially if there's Thors or ghosts.
@@chloesmith4065 I wouldn't trust a disruptor in the hands of a player who split his army to send immortals away from the front and stalkers into the mouth of cyclones
I love IODIS. I wish Harstem would go harder on them sometimes - especially when they BM like this guy did
Diamond things:
Splitting so bad that A-moving would be better
Tech swapping from 3/3 upgrades into 0/0 upgrades
I see this stuff all the time in my games
I am a zerg and i suck so bad against disruptors, i have lost entire games to 1 or 2 disruptor shots
yeah me too man I've lost 20 supply to 1 disruptor shot (8 roaches 2 hydras)
@@ottoback5375 It can be rough, for sure
Just mass zerglings against disruptors
Not excepting girlfriend cheating on you at temptation island analogy to "non excepted cyclons" is now my favorite analogy from Harstem, I just can't XD
But don't get it
@@EternalHappElements I don't get it if you mean I don't get it or that you don't get it bro. If you would explain I would get it.
I'm tempted to actually try the ladder after watching this.
It's inspiring, isn't it? Go ahead and reinstall, it's free and can even be fun...!
7:54 "... they come home and the house is gone." ROFL. Almost spit out my coffee. I did not see that comment coming.
Same I thought he was going to say the house was trashed or something
I never understood baseball until Harstem explained it. Apparently, there's about 7-9 guys and there's a guy that catches the ball. You can't beat this analysis of American sports. Ha! Hilarious. GGs!
"It's a positional sport"
Moo: Builds wall to block reaper
SCV (Goes through open ramp): Hey, nice wall! (Scouts base, unobstructed.)
Reaper (comes from other side): Hey, nice wall! (Attacks undefended probes.)
Two things anyone aspiring to be diamond should take note of: both players in this replay have almost no scouting. And both players are only at 130 supply @9:30. The benchmark Diamond players should shoot for to max is 9 minutes - you can do it in less.
This is evidence that you can (and should) brute force your way to Diamond just by polishing your macro. Macro is arguably the most fundamental of the game.
PS. I got to Diamond from Gold 3 doing this and I've even had Diamond games where I lost 30 workers in the first 8 minutes, but was still ahead in army _and_ workers because it's common for even Diamond players forget to macro while they micro - not macroing while harassing or microing is the same as hurting yourself. You're better off simplifying your learning goals and just focus on your macro until you can slowly incorporate harass and micro in.
@@xitaris5981 I got to diamond 2 in protoss not my main race in a week by doing proxy three gate really damn well. My main race zerg is only platinum 3 for comparison I could probably do the same sort of cheese to, but I'd rather reach higher legit. I've been playing for 2 months although I've been watching since release.
hi, last ranked i played i lost to 2 lings, how far from diamond am I?
You can kill 2 lings with just workers though
Macro is *unarguably* the most fundamental part of the game. Almost every pro and grandmaster has incredibly refined macro.
Even the cheesers have to macro up enough for their timing to work.
Some may come to these videos for expert sc2 analysis. I however watch them for comments like "I feel like whenever I hear about dutch magicians they're always bankrupt"
I'm Moo the toss from the video, just wanted to say sorry for the BM, dunno what crawled up my butt that day, but karma definitely got me. And O' boy did the captain ever show me how much I indeed suck.
He's good at that. :p I liked how you basically summarized his video with your QQ at the end though, those immortals did work for you when they were fighting! I totally sympathize with that many cyclones feeling weird to fight, and especially feeling like even if your immortals are strong you're at such a mobility disadvantage that you'd want to tweak your comp. Though obviously as Harstem says map control and positioning go a long way to make the mobility disadvantage less strong. Keep on sucking (relative to Harstem and maybe purplefury) til you're great Mr. Moo!
I enjoyed the vid but if you don't mind me asking why did you switch to carrier?
@@chloesmith4065 Probably the same reason I skipped over ever taking the gold base, think Harstem might be right about my IQ. My noob brain is late game = carriers free win. Specially when you get ahead like I felt I was. This was also my first time playing vs mech lol.
“Taking the morning after pill after your sons 17th birthday” LMAO
If it worked for Ataru's mother in the classic 1980s cartoon 'Urusei Yatsura', it can work for anybody.
1:42 great editing by Hamster as always when he spots an opportunity to make fun of Harstem.
Harstem talks about magicians again in this episode.
Penn and Teller on _'Whose line is it anyway?'_ :
"Why are you guys named after things you would find in a bank?"
😂
The thing that drives me nuts here is that he spent 700 minerals, 600 gas on one singular colossus: (300-200) colossus, (200-200) robotics bay, (200-200) thermal lance. I'm not 100% sure on those costs, but point still stands, never uses robo bay again.
Of course the main killer here is poor map control and positioning.
i cant believe harstem said the E word on video, such a brave man
And he didn't regret it! 😮
Serral should submit games and say "is Zerg IMBA or am I just really that good?"
Thisss
As someone who played fhe sport, the baseball reference is servicable
I always love it when you sneak in the declinced stamp
The roasts in this one was golden 😂
when Harstem was reading the complaint about Mech being imba, i was just hoping it wasnt a protoss.
there are so many tool to deal with terran mech !
Mech sucks vs Protoss but MMM+ghost is insanely good. Why nerf oneself by playing mech? The world may never know...
@@chloesmith4065 I can f2 mech
Sons 17th birthday joke cracked me up
I love these analogies. Especially the morning after pill 🤣
the banter beacon is irresistible, every body must admit to an occasional banter beacon. The banter beacon is an ancient tradition in star craft. One way to tell an opponent to leave the game a long time ago was to use fleet beacons to wall in the bottom of the ramp of their base, and spam photon cannons around their final top cliff base, and surround from every direction until they left the game. The Fleet Beacon has so many meanings, one cannot toil with the power of the beacon. It isnt just a building, it feels like something more. Thats why its so irresistible, every body succumbs to the siren call of the carriers and the tempests and the motherships. A strange game, but slightly interesting.
There was a moment there where an interceptor pulled a widow mine shot onto 4 cyclones to get the one interceptor. Im curious as to what happens if that occurs alot, there could have been an interesting moment there if he had all inned his carriers instead of pulling the interceptors back, where 4 or 5 interceptors where targeted why widow mines but where over his entire terran mech army, that could have been really bad if the carriers had not microed backwards and cancled all the widow mines shots due to the range validator, he could of ended up with his own widow mines friendly firing his entire cyclone army at 24:17. Perhaps thats a lesson: not to fight carriers ontop of your own mines. Widow mines are good at clearing large numbers of interceptors, but not if those interceptors are over your own army. A risky unit to use against carriers.
"Showing up to your son's 17th birthday with the morning after pill."
Greatest Harstem comparison of all time
I love the natural rising anger of a proffesional in Harstem when he sees builds/gameplay getting butchered :)
I bet Moo never submits again and still stomps around, saying, "Imblanaced, trust me, bro."
My mother always told me never marry a Dutch magician.
13:49 haha love it
5:10 I'm not a starcraft expert, but what was the plan with the Stalker here? Hoping there isn't a wall or any units so he may be able to kill an scv with it?
Harsty flamed this toss
15:06 super battery? for faster warp ins ?
I think Moo's father was late on the morning after pill.
Harstem just goes in on these poor nerds that send this garbage lol
Even with this carrier transition he would have won the game if he didn't take a dumb engagement against sieged tanks and cyclones.
The reason why to wall on the natural side is so that if the reaper escapes he cannot do more damage on the unwalled side (the 3rd). Him being able to jump between natural and main creates a bit more headache. While the reaper would rather come from the 3rd side rather than from the natural, I'd not exactly call it a niche scenario. Maybe in the higher leagues this doesn't matter as much, though -perhaps because at that time when the reaper could do substantial damage to the natural they already fall off in effectiveness.
17:20 this line will live rent free in my head for the rest of my life 💽
REDFURY wasn't even in the game but apparently he was doing great things in this game, lol. Poor BLUEFURY just couldn't buy attention.
OMG that burn i love you :D
This relay gave me hope that I can make it through diamond
At the end there could use the shao khan voice from mortal kombat "you s-ck"
Has much more drama in his voicing
_this is like showing up with a morning after pill at your son's 17'th birthday..._
Damn that's a harsh burn. How disappointing of a son do you have to be for that?
Dude could have monobattled with Immortals and won.
You know if he had stayed and camped his opponent on 2 base, maxed out across the map instead of going home after annihilating his opponent, he probably would have won.
5:06 - Would that Adept have gotten away if he hadn't finished the Shade, or at least if he had moved the Shade in the other direction?
Yes lol
@@chloesmith4065 LMAO Harstem slept on that one. Kinda sad, given how it foreshadows the player's shoddy army movement throughout the rest of the replay. XD
Imagine going carriers after a fight that almost tipped the game after 5 horrible fights... My god.
Perfect IODIS at 5 am
"Declinced!"
Always great videos here, especially for a player of same MMR like me :D :D :D
Moo was winning... and the idiot refused to kill off the game, while Redfury stuck in, rebuilt and actually went in for the kill.
name this series Dutch guy gives kind critique
First time I saw a video with No views yet and posted 22 seconds ago.
thank you for not making the comment super obnoxious like some ppl
He talked the shit, he got the hit. I see no problem.
Beautiful game, its always the ones that are miles ahead, still lose and then complain that make idodis great
Temptation Island. Lmao
Every time I watch Iodis of like diamond and platinum players I feel like I could wipe the floor with them, it seems like they are essentially brain Dead. Makes me wonder why I’m stuck in gold. Then I remember the only people who send in replays to iodis are just coping that they lost a particular game or to a particular play style when in reality they just don’t know how complex and challenging this game is.
One of the reasons I enjoy the game so much is that it’s so hard to be really good
Insulting people when your winning is pretty much the most disgusting behaviour.
Yeah, being a bad "winner" and a bad loser isn't the best look...
"I killed two bases why didn't my opponent just give up and leave?"
Why is the battery overcharge on at 15:05 ?!
Im hoping some kind of misclick...lmao
@@chloesmith4065 that's some misclick :)
Nice upload time.
This was really a sad game. It was indeed a build order win for the Toss but he avoided cashing it in by somehow keeping his immortals from engaging in fights.
Then they do engage once and he kind of wins but tells his opponent that he has no clue how to actually finish the game.
The opponent is indeed kind of delusional for thinking he could still win by just rebuilding.
But the Toss stops building immortals (freaking pacifist immortals just refusing to shoot the enemy) and thus manages to actually die.
Opponent does end up spending his whole 4k mineral bank though and get like 112 army supply...toss didn't have the killer instinct
The opponent still had kind of a chance tho, because for the next minutes he always was up in army value and could rebuild very fast (but maybe that was just because the protoss stopped any pressure to tech switch to carriers)
@@chloesmith4065 he rebuild the Same army that would have just died again against immortals (If they had engaged in the fight that is).
Even the guy complaining realized, just too late.
Probably transitioning into carriers whenever they are ahead in the late game but have no clue how to finish is just hardwired into Toss's minds on that level.
I wouldn't know cause I never left bronze.
No stamp sound and no stamp 🤬
In fairness, it's hard to choose the right units for Protoss or Zerg, they are very specialized and situational. Terran can pretty much build anything at this level and it's viable at any stage of the game.
He lost because he build so many stalkers
I would had just quit after losing 2 probes.
Its fun how you can see the mind of the protoss through this game, starting with:
- this guy is doing mech against me, i was told mech don't work agaist protoss, is he an idiot or trying to troll me ? ill show him
then first break down:
- oh crap i not completly detroying him, what is happening, this guy might troll me and make fun of me, i can't loose against mech my ego can't take it
then he kill 2 base :
- ah ok the world make sense again, my ego is safe, "go away with ur troll attempt on my person", ill completly detroy him with golden armada to learn him
and then major break down:
- i lost to mech, this inferior composition according to my diamond superior knoledge, this guy is laughing at me for winning a protoss with mech, this is impossible, the world make no sence, this can't be my fault, the fact that it is doing better than my knowledge say, mean it is IMBA
Sign un for Temptention Island 😂😂😂
My only question is why it took 35 years to release 15 seasons of Temptation Island? ( ͡• ͜ʖ ͡• )
Terran still had good Raven play I don't think it would of mattered
Wow
Stupider is a stupid word, and only the most stupid people seem to use it, I've heard that said by people.
this toss was so bad
Mech abuse is indeed OP. 😁
i’ve started to laugh when seeing it’s from a NA protoss player😂
Do an IODIS on Artosis playing BW Terran
This is Diamond in NA????
so mech IS imba, just the other way around. sounds like it needs to get buffed.
Mech can be decent against Zerg, but bio is much better vs Protoss.
(If anything was imba, everyone would play it)
Why do they need to send these replays ? Cant they Just rewatch and find out on their own ? Not really Rocket science.
Well, sometimes you get stuck and you don't know what to do. I'm kind of in that place in Tekken where I stopped ranking up and not sure where the gap is. If you don't know, you don't know.
I found this one entertaining despite the fact that it might be pretty obvious lol
Well, even if you get trashed, you still get free coaching. Harstem pointed a lot of mistakes as well as points of improvement, even from the early early game. I think it's definitely worth it.
@@DalmarLesage Plus it's a nice confidence booster for ladder anxiety seeing all these mistakes out of players that are objectively pretty high up the ladder. While the skill gap between Diamond and the best players is quite high, in terms of the overall ladder it's not exactly a low skill league.
If you can't handle losing, maybe you shouldn't be playing competitive games.
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Can we get an iodis form bingo captain.
There is nothing more toxic than a diamond league sc2 player who thinks they are good at the game .
The thing i learned this episode is: Dutch magicans are great at making their money disappear.
How is this diamond? These guys look like they have 50 apm lol.
Diamond has the largest MMR difference in its league. Diamond 3 / 3300mmr where these players are is a lot closer to platinum 1, this is "low Diamond" - Diamond 2 and Diamond 1 might be more like 3600mmr / 4000 MMR, approaching master at the upper echelons of diamond 1. There's a lot of variance in diamond league.
Lol no 50apm is a massive exaggeration. Micro isn't something you need to get to Masters anyway.
Diamond 3 is just platinum 0 basically, like the guy said its much closer in mmr to platinum than it is to the middle of diamond.
Diamond goes from like 3200 to 4300mmr so the "average" diamond MMR as in the middle of the league would be about 3800mmr so about 500 higher than this game, which is more than the difference from silver to platinum.
Tl;Dr: From Blizzard trying to force an overly large amount of players to be in diamond league, the league encapsulates like virtually every player and has such a wide MMR range that it's meaningless without the specific tier division 1/2/3
DiVa voice pack, definitely sucks not imba.
im glad this terran doesnt play bio, tired of seeing bio every game on the ladder
Honestly, if you're not Masters 3 or over, please don't submit these .... you don't even play the game correctly. I'm the same MMR as these two, and it boggles my mind how this guy thinks he even has a right to an opinion on balance ....
Most of them have been long patched out by now, but I think there were definitely a few historical examples of balance issues primarily at the lower levels, in the sense that there were a few builds that could fairly easily be executed by low-level players but were fairly demanding for other low-level players to counter. Mass WoL void rays were probably the worst offender. From what I recall I believe the typical advice was to make sure to win the game before the mass void ray player builds too many of them, rather than any specific advice on how you might deal with the army. The void rays of today, of course, are not nearly as threatening.
He took horrible fights and was still winning because Terran mech sucks against Protoss, and yet he still managed to lose in the end by switching out of his winning army comp for no reason lmao
@@Dullstar2XQT True.
"Powered-up damage changed from 8 (+16 armored) to 10 (+15 armored)." And they were only 200/150 before that change as well. I remember one friend annihilating my Stalker army back in WoL just melting through it no problem.
And they used to build faster too... 37 seconds vs 43 iirc
Um.... yeah ignore your advice because those games are not as fun. Many submissions likely aren't balance complaining, they know how the show works.
2:50 Such a meaningless statement - EVERY build order in the world, is a build order that someone either made themself, or copied from someone who made themself.
Aggressively missing the point doesn't make you look smart.
Its a very meaningful statement. Its said to distinguish it from real builds made by mid-high GM players. Players who are not in that tier are not considered to be able make real builds, because their designs miss game mechanics that makes their builds very sub-optimal for their intended design.
@@hivetech4903 LOL 'No True Scotsman' on Starcraft builds, is it?? Any build is still a build, and anybody can make one. Higher ranked players make better builds, obviously
@Supergoon1989 And you're still not getting it. A real build is not just better, they have no flaws within the context of their intent, and their counters are known quantities.
This is fundamentally different from a scrub non-build which doesn't have an intent that makes sense, and their counters are unknown quantities, i.e. limitless random stuff.
Dear Harstem, please stop renaming your damn videos, it's annoying af. I end up wasting time rewatching vids I've already seen or clicking on content I don't care about.
Seriously, stop.