These COST-EFFICIENT Banelings Just Went STONKS!! | Is It Imba Or Do I Suck
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2022
- Todays Banelings are just built different. They are supposed to be cost-efficient?! Holy crap! That's IMBA as heck!! We immediately have to investigate! Like and subscribe if you think this is IMBA, but if you think todays guest sucks, like and subscribe instead!
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When someone is like "I made no mistakes during the whole match", Harstem's eyes lit up like an attorney that knows he just won the lawsuit after a bad testimony from the opposing side.
I'm surprised (and a bit disappointed) there was no "mistake counter" just to show how ridiculous was the claim that he "made no mistakes"... dude, this game is hard. Even Serral or Maru make mistakes from time to time and they are not human (I don't believe they are!).
@@axh2 It would be like the cinemasins counter, just constantly dinging away
@@Tawnos_ SC2sins
@@Willdroyd I'd watch it
it's always my favorite part of iiiodis, that "kid in a candy store" look
Imbalance Complainer: "I made no mistake"
The look on Harstem's face: "I'm about to ruin this man's entire career."
I think his name is "Char(charizard) - ois(blastoise) - saur(Venusaur)
He better be 12 years old because otherwise that is the lamest SC2 name I've ever heard.
My name is VaLuAn, Vader, Luke, and Obi-Wan! How cool!
@@Laneous14 and because its so cool hamster will call you value-anne
Oh damn! That is quite creative!!!
That's an interesting theory... I really wonder, if that is the case ^^
I wish harstem would explain the importance of macro hatches, especially if you aren't a perfect player who is that good in macro'ing.
The macro hatches generate extra larva that compensate for missed queen injects. Helps you spend your money. You can create a rule of thumb (every time I hit 1k mins ill drop a macro hatch) to help keep macro front of mind.
Very useful for ling bane
I feel like a few people missed out on the sarcasm in this comment :p
@@luckynumberslevin5936 Hey I am a noob, so @Lachlan Wilson 's answer was actually very useful!
@@dionisus8041 never said it wasnt usefull, just that comment was made based on harstem repeating it many weeks in a row. Even hamster made a joke comment on it in the video. Just pointing out that people that takes this as an actual question just had the joke/sarcasm fly over their head. Or r/whoosh as some folks say for short x)
Sisyphos patient and methodical approach instead of just piling on shows hes been pushing that ladder-rock for a while
I see what you did there ^^
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@@hamster_designs :D Love your editing!
Hamster never fails to amaze me with the effort put into the editing.
Well that's because harstem isnt the one editing LoL
@@AtelierLaoshi hamster is the editor
Literally half the reason I watch these. I want a Hamster AMA.
@@LasseLundster What do you want to know?
@@hamster_designs Easy questions first how did you learn editing and why?
imagine claiming imba after you let your opponent get TRIPLE your bases LOL
sssshhhhh artosis might hear you
but zerg kinda just does that right? It's normal for zerg to have more bases
I don’t think this was imbalance, but if one race can easily get many more bases and have a runaway economy, that can be a problem.
@@thewired4607 more, but not this much more.
@@thewired4607 usualy zerg can get 1 base more than terran. any more than that and they die to an attack. that is if the terran attacks. the terran here was sitting back so he paid for it
That was...significantly more merciful and helpful than I expected it to be. You didn't rip the Terran player a new one, you just objectively laid it out. It's called Master League for a reason.
Also his name is a combination of Charizard, Blastoise, and Venosaur, the three Gen 1 starters. But the French pronunciation was gold XD
Yet, it doesn't look like a French word at all.
God I love this guy's confidence, "I did nothing wrong" what a statement lmao
that's a statement he could only make if he didnt watch his own replay. i'm also pretty sure barely anyone watched their replay before sending it in. because if they did they wouldn't send it in if they're actually conscious about what they did in the game. most often these complaint forms really baffle me if they have any decent judgment at all, lol :)
typical french arrogance honestly
If you take do nothing and take zero risks you can’t make a mistake technically. Genius
i like especially your hilarious comparisons: Starting around 15:00 minute mark almost two minutes comparing the star craft leagues with 100m dash. I was laughing really hard. Always wondering if you make them up spontaneously or plan them in advance. Shoutout to Hamster as well, you are a real accountant of combat losses!
Wow I just have to say, the editing done by Hamster has really become high quality, both for the sake of entertainment and to grant extra relevant information about the game.
You've really become a professional content creation team, it's honestly folks like you that helps keep the community alive - so great job H&H!
Thanks mate, appreciate it ^^
I find it funny that the zerg player is named in allusion to the mythological figure of Sisyphus.
I'm pretty sure that the terran player felt like pushing a rock that kept going back to him (though at his own fault).
Lol. I did not even think about that, but you are right... That is so fitting xD
Ohh, i think i know how he did those bane splits
I learned this from GGG in a couple of his archives videos. If you click your units to attack onto a building and then tell them to stop, they'll stay attacking the building until an enemy unit come into range. So our zerg clicked those banes onto something, then told them to stop, and they instantly agro'd onto the nearby units.
Very nice trick, impressive of GGG as always.
As a plat player, im really shocked how accurately he compares the ladder leagues to the 100 meter dash
except the fact that platinum players are either running at full speed or crawling going backwards
@@Willdroyd I think that's because they still don't have full understanding of the game, so sometimes you just stumble into a good result without knowing what they exactly did. Or they might just be super casual about SC and just play how they feel like for the day, without really trying to learn or improve too much. And that inability to adapt is why sometimes a plat player will either crush someone or get crushed purely because of how their strengths/weaknesses match up against the person they queued up against.
@@TheDinis553 Yeah, sometimes you just see that 1 guy who knows how to split like a god and you can do nothing against him and the other guy move commands into your storms and colossi
xD hamster had me dying with those remarks! "Not a single Queen died, that's how little pressure there was"
"Berlingrad is a very terran favored map"
Hamster: *shows the slight terran advantage vs zerg*
In reality: Harstem was thinking about the tvp matchup
A terran putting every unit un a single group complains about a zerg with two groups of units.
Hamster may not have had as much of a presence in recent weeks, but damn he came back with a vengeance today.
I had a guy complain that Terran was just "1-a" the other day in a game where I won because I pre split Widow Mines and Bio and he a-moved Hydra/Ling/Bane into it. Both sides complain about no micro when both sides actually require a decent amount of micro to win.
You dont say 😄
To be fair, this terran didn't claim that he microed his units. He just said he built units that require micro, which is true.
@@ingrudmessenger1193 lol true.
@@ingrudmessenger1193 LMAO, omg, don't do that to him.
sisyphos should get a promotion to a real team as a trainee
very surprised how well he played. complete crushed and outplayed that terran player
good on you, zerg dude
actually the one thing thats really imba is how long a terran can survive on basically nothing
I think zerg units are weaker but they are better at eco.
He played very well, but we don't know how he handles constant pressure and drops, as he had a pretty stressless game here. Maybe this is a weakness of him and that's why he is still masters. So I don't know if he is ready to join a pro team yet ^^
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd idk about that one, Terran has this free unit called "Mule"
@@allanmetsar123 yeah but zerg can expand easier
@@allanmetsar123 Zerg bases cost 25% less and they can produce 4 workers at a time from each base. MULEs can help with eco early and extreme late game, but mid game you need scans. Until you have saturation on 3-4 bases, you are often 5-10 workers behind Zerg and Protoss, especially since morphing an orbital delays worker production.
The editig and commentary is so good. I'm actually playing more StarCraft these days because of you.
The baneling split looked like an a move where they all aggroed on different units
2 of the banes went on a sensor tower + scv with a planetary in range, which goes against default amove logic.
@@efekalyoncu5056 it was not something that is possible for a human to do manually.
@@jiayojames except it is. Just watch any high level matchup, splitting like that is quite common to see. Also on some cases you dont really have to do everything manually, there are plenty of things you can do to achieve the same effect such as selecting the unit group + stopping them temporarily to let em aggro on different targets.
Watch it again. It was not a high level split, it was an impossible simultaneous split that would require three cursors to do manually. What happened is that the cluster of banelings happened to be at the edge of a few different aggro ranges when a single command was issued. If that's not what happened then it was hacks. But it 100% was not a manual split.
@@jiayojames you can literally see him move the banelings before they reaggro to the sensor tower, mines, etc…
Idk about calling a smart usage of game ai as hack. And nobody said that it was 100% manual split even on my first comment I specified that you can do other things to achieve the same thing. The only point we are talking about is whether the thing he did was possible or not and since the action was made with the intent to do that Id say you could consider that as a manual action.
He uses the overseer spells! This guy is awesome to watch as a new-ish zerg player
The best iodis thumbnail by far
I should send an imbalance complaint: I often have 5k minerals in the bank for no reason and lose how do I do anything other than compensate by mass ultras for no reason
Ah yes, the most cost-efficient unit, the thing that kills itself the first time it attacks something so you can't get any value out of it after its first attack.
I wonder what this guy thinks of the MULE, a unit that is more or less free and gains you money.
It gains income not money. I think the distinction is important. Early on the income from mules is critical. However, it doesn't just give you instant money and it is still mining minerals from the map so you can't just drop mules and gain extra money. The mule is also very well balanced because without it Terran would just lose hard in anything but TvT. Even with the mule Terran is worse off economically than the other two races with more OP macro mechanics like injects or larva in general and chrono boost. That's why almost every Terran build is centered around harass into an early timing. They have to do damage early in both matchups. If the mule was OP that would not be the case at all.
@@tommydashed4205 I'm not saying that the MULE is IMBA, far from it. I'm just saying that in terms of pure cost effiency, comparing the MULE to the Baneling is hilarious.
@@colossaldonut5190 why are you comparing an offensive unit to a macro unit then? if anything ghosts are a significantly better comparison.
I had to pause the video after the sentence "I made no mistake and still lost." I was laughing too damn much. :D
The editing is godlike! 😍
25:26 One of the best jokes in IODIS ever
The thumbnail game is strong on this one.
Terran is a hard race to be good at at diamond to low GM. You will most likely lack some neccessary skills to keep up with the raw strengh of Protoss and the eco of Zerg. This can be either lack of control, multitasking or the ability to play error free over several games. Terran needs to be the agressor vs Zerg which I think is his main complaint here. On even footing Terran is just vastly outmacroed by Zerg (and to a certain degree that is correct vs Protoss as well).
Once you look at the very top of players Terran does catch up with it's inherent ability to generate a lot of value by multi tasking and very very diverse openers. I think this is also the reason why there is a substantially lower number of Terrans out there in GM: You feel like you have to do a lot more things right than your opponent (because Terran HAS the tools to do it, but it is hard to unlock it for most players). From a "pro gaming" balancing perspective this is fine, for the average player it is not though.
lol that terran did nothing, was outmacrod allgame long, he had a shitty game plan, non macro opener, never did any damage to the eco, didnt know what micro is, like not even one drop or one banshee that killed drones in a 20 min game. i was beating master players when i offraced with terran for fun and just did some stupid timing pushes with marines/tanks.
my main race was like gold/plat zerg at the time. zerg is only good/"easy" when ur opponent lets to macro in peace and thats what this guy did.
@@lolleonlolable well, at a certain skill level it is not easy to penetrate Zerg or Protoss defenses that easy. Shield batteries and queens will hold most early agression if scouted or not exceptionally executed.
@@l.a.w.5738 dude he didnt even kill a singel queen, he didnt do a singel drop, he killed nearly zero creep tumors. dont talk shit pls :>
@@lolleonlolable I don't defend his game here. It is a general statement. Also I find it hard to believe you have the insights to judge high end Terran being a Zerg gold player ;)
@@l.a.w.5738 played masters 2v2 for a while and as i said i have "game knowlege" but i dont really play the game and if i wanted i could reach like dia or somehting for sure i just stopped playing 1v1 cuz 2v2 with my mate was way more fun. also its way easyer to judge players mistakes/strats if u watch a game like that against playing it yourself. u dont have to be a master or / gm player to observe a game. but i see what ur saying most gold players probably dont watch alot of starcraft like me. also my style of playing zerg was not really one u would push easy with, i always played for good eco / lategame because i liked longer games more. reaching like idk dia maybe even masters with just dumb roach/ravager rush dosnt require that much skill.
playing a eco/long game is way harder because u have to defend all the rush/timing shit and u have to actually be good at lategame and shit to win.
this is better than angry coach. I like the way this dude says things unironically. It is hillarious when he just deadpans the punchlines. He had me LOL hard. His unironic delivery of his criticism kills me. TLDR: Harmstim > winter
Have seen a bunch of these, so far this is my favorite. Very entertaining.
This stuff get's better and better from episode to episode! Keep it up captain!
Serious props to the editor! Keeping track of all these things while Harstem.....Harstems, is impressive.
God Damn, this video is super well made and pretty damn good edited, one of the most well made videos I have seen in decades. Congrats keep it up!
The picture-in-picture 12:36 is very clean
I also love to see those idling MULE-s near the mineral patches, if they are resting before work...
the editing was top notch in this one 👌🏻
Hey Harstem!!! Very entertaining content, thank you!!! As a terran always had the same question in my mind all the time
Magnificent thumbnail. Good job man
Also this is a very educational video. I learned quit a few things.
This is one of the brightest ones you've made mister Harstem. Bery Smert.
Kudos to Hamster too, lovely editing as always!
This is comedy gold. So happy youtube suggested this to me :). I dable in SC2 on and off because i am strongly saturated by it at this point... but this is so nice and fresh. I am watching some of these and having trouble believing it to be real... Thnx a lot i think i will watch quite a few of these Imbalance reports in the following days. Hopefully there is more than 2 i just watched.
Cheers!
That was down right poetic! Thanks Hamster and Harstem for another great episode!
Just played *three* low-diamond PvTs in a row that were just like this.
I knew I'd won like 10 minutes in but the terran turtled for another 15-20 minutes while. Last game was 30 minutes.
What is it about T players that makes it so hard for them to know when the game is over?
Such a fantastic series-thanks for doing these!
Captain what’s up with your upload schedule?
Your analogy of the different ranks had me rolling.
I've seen Sisyphos in several SC2 videos. Seems to play at Master 1 level, but not in the openings. Every SC2 player has parts of the game better than other parts. I don't get my games posted with Master/GM commentary, because they're not interesting enough for Bronze League Heros.
I don’t even play sc2 anymore, but still watch these “is it imba or do i suck” videos simply because these roasts are hilarious
Don’t play SC2 but love watching content, of all content I love the humour Casual yet in-depth look that this fella does.
14:59 -> Harstem, I'm usually impressed by how accurate and truthful your metaphors are ; just once, I felt like doing it from another perspective. 100-meter dash, you said ? Here's how it'd go :
BRONZE :
* has signed up to compete and shows up... but in the stands as a spectator
* comments on everything the runners do, while saying out loud that he could do it too if he wanted to and if it wasn't for his age / bad knee / headache / racism / etc random excuse ; if challenged, he'll kindly remind you that he knows better, since he's been around for 6 years, as opposed to the noob which you probably are, since you're sitting there doing nothing neither
* will leave disappointed, stating that he has watched better, saying out loud yet again, that he may join the next race "at a physical level of engagement" (sic) to show them how it's done
SILVER :
* quite anxious but gained the spectators' respect already for trying
* the misunderstanding that he might be a mascot substitute has been lifted by the referee ; he's escorted back safely to his former position with his headgear and pads back in place
* starts running in the opposite direction, taking some breaks just standing there every now and then to check how far he has gone, but eventually finishes the race before nightfall
* confused about why the remaining part of the crowd who hasn't left is laughing, since he hasn't fallen down this time
* today only the result shall matter ; the method(s) will be improved with experience
* watches the replay of the race without commentary once back home and concludes that the gear's optional...
GOLD :
* overwhelmed but hell bent on starting to play 'by the book' ; not really his choice, his knife has been confiscated ; luckily, he still has his cigs to help him calm down...
* ... sadly, tackling / sweeping / pushing aside the guys next to him still sounds like the ideal decision when the pistol goes
* while being totally outdistanced by several better runners, he'll start yelling insults at them louder and louder
* not being the last won't do ; he's been cheated after all, without taking to be forced to wear orange into account ! he HATES orange ! complains to the referee and asks him to investigate the background of the runners, whom the names appear on the list which he made a few seconds ago
PLATINUM :
* anxious, he sizes up everyone around ; as long as he got a fair shot, it should be fine
* drinks a large soda before the race ; it can only help, right, mostly if adding a burger and some fries to it ? right ?
* recognizes someone famous that he saw on the internet, somewhere... wherever... whatever ; false alarm, but it allowed him to trade spots with some unknown schmuck for a better one featuring his lucky number
* not the result he hoped for but that's it ; he sucks but doesn't suck the most, so life's good ; maybe if he does 'this' instead next time ? or 'that' ? or 'both' ? or raises a compaign to lower the difficulty by complaining to the media that better runners shouldn't be that good ? nevermind, he's queuing for another race before understanding exactly why he has underperformed in the previous one ; he can only be LUCKIER this time... RIGHT ?
DIAMOND :
* has trained hard for a long time ; his efforts can't afford not paying off
* has mastered the way of managing a healthy life while making others' hell ; hangs around the starting line while remaining half-focused half-evil
* today he WILL finally defeat these %)#}$& preventing him from getting the next shiny medal, that he wants to show off
* projects every possible scenario ; goes as far as analyzing the wind speed to gauge a maximum of factors
* first time in an indoor stadium, though... wait, how was he supposed to practice for this, you effin' incompetent organizers ? will write both a message on the official forum and a letter to management later on, to threaten that he'll be forever done and actively advertise them badly if the events won't be run more professionally by giving the contestants all the tools they need to do better (starting by a 'wind speed gauge assist tool', free of charge)
MASTER :
* gets in the 'winner' mindset by listening to his selfmade 'Drive of a Champion' music playlist ; no time to joke around, the 'jokes' are sitting on the bench and in the stands
* has a clue of the level of his better contestants ; has analyzed their complete running history, their records, their strategies / forces / weaknesses and will capitalize on those
* stares at the grandmasters in the hope of getting something in return : an advice or useful trick to balance the playfield, a head nod, some other form of acknowledgement... ANYTHING BUT A SMIRK
* ignores the lower rank peasants trying to befriend him ; his time is valuable and ony the chosen ones shall earn it
* has pretended that it's his birthday, so he could negociate his anthem to be played loudly in the speakers ; the song's an undercover obnoxious demotivation speech, that will subconsciously make all the other contenders lose confidence in themselves ; yeah don't ask, winning's not for the weak-minded
GRANDMASTER :
* not the tallest, not the most muscular, not the most pretentious ; beware still, there's a reason why he's at the level where he is...
* confident enough, that he's done everything he could to be ready by now ; won't stress over nothing without a worthy reason to do so
* too polite and mannered to be real but will switch to 'Kill Mode' as soon as the race officially starts
* 100 contestants have joined but he'll be engaged in a battle of epic proportions with only the few other beasts who were hiding among them on the last 10 meters
* congratulates everyone for participating while raising the trophy ; thanks all the staff who made it possible ; invites those willing to drink a beer and end the day on an even better note
I love editor's notes!
Love the casting and editing !!
glad you guys enjoy it ^^
that baneling split was blew my mind, i've never seen a zerg outside of pros split their units like that !
this was insane !
The edditing is sooooo good!
I don't play any video games whatsoever. But I don't miss anything harstem puts out. And lately I watch sc tournaments as my only sport. Thanks my guy.
fantastic editing and amazing tips. thanks H
All-time great thumbnail on this one captain
I looooooved the thumbnail of Harsten in a Wall Street suit 😂
Man you need to start paying your editor more. I love the little extra screen and info he adds to the videos
22:16 exaclty!
1:20 LMAO!! - Send to Clem!
This zerg is insane, the awareness of the lack of the aggression from the Terran to go up to 10 bases, creep all the way to his opponents base and control of army holy bonkers. And look at his bloody bank! He hardly floats any minerals/gas all game especially considering hes on 10 bases
Forget Master, even in Diamond, if you let zerg expand non-stop and not denying creep, you are gonna lose to attack a move.
What an incredible thumbnail, bravo man lol
Yeah ngl it definitely caught my reptile brains attention
Best thumbmail in harstem channel hands down.
Fantastic yet again, y'all never cease to amaze me
He only labeled ghosts "micro unit" and banes "a-move unit". Technically, he didn't say, they were played that way. On a different note: What happened to the drop at the top right base? He started unloading, cancelled and then lost two medivacs?
He unloaded, they idled a bit, loaded back up, tried to go into the natural and were pushed back by Hydras if I remember correctly ^^
@@hamster_designs Thanks!
lol I love the hamster troll edits.
dude got annihilated into fine dust
Hamster with the clutch observing 👍😁
That Zerg was pretty damn good.
Doing some googling. Basically just Sisyphus and StarCraft 2, it seems SoO was referred to as a StarCraft Sisyphus, just food for thought. Would be hilarious if it was him.
I think someone like soo is yet another level. But it could be a soo fan copying the name I guess ^^
The Zerg didn't ever make a good army. That is his weakness. If the economy had been closer that would be a real problem. If he'd made spellcasters or flying units the game would have ended a lot sooner. The Terran's economic damage was self inflicted.
@@Jordan-Ramses lingbaneultra is literally soo's main zvt unit comp xd
@@hangnumburs I didn't see any Ultra. If he'd made Ultra he'd have had a good army. I was actually thinking Ultra too but I just wasn't sure and didn't type it. I only played regular StarCraft. Lurkers would have worked too. In theory the ghosts would counter them but that Terran didn't have the micro for it. He also didn't have enough scans.
@@Jordan-Ramses i think he had plenty throughout the entire game
I truly love your edits.
You really do deserve more views on your videos. I wonder what would happen if chose a different game or subject in general.
Its actually impressive, to see a zerg win with literally only ling bane, this is actually a master class display of a zerg that doesnt even need all his units to really win. Also maybe a couple ultras...
Artosis in a nutshell
Something I've always wondered, why don't more terrans build a Raven for detection to handle creep spread? Seems like it would be worth it for any reasonable length game.
Love the barely-contained laugh while reading that banelings always gain too much value for their cost XD
>get in a street fight
>run away
>file a police report
>tell the cops that you outmicroed the other guy
grandmaster strategies for real life
Another great sc content creator. As a terrible random player, i learn lots from this.
Has there ever been one of these complaints that said it was imba?
22:45 those hydras and banelings, did they just get aggroed and actually do all that damage? That's not even an A move, just AI move.
Man, Harsen, what is the type, mark, kind of headphones you use, I have big ears and yours looks very confy
I could be wrong but I think they might be the Alienware 510H.
The edit quality is impressive
Hi Harstem, how many many overlord do we need to completly denied an evolution chamber (or any time of amelioration) and prevent ? Do you think it could be a good cheese video??
overseer would be way too expensive and would need to stay there forever while not being killed for some reason. the strategy is unviable.
That 4 way split looks unreal lol, it didn' happen one after another in quick succession, it happened in the same instant.
harstem baby you dont understand, the true value of banelings is making terran turtle players go full french and RUN AWAAAAAAY
The best series on UA-cam’
Getting some serious Strong Bad vibes from your introduction!
I mean just the video thumbnail alone is enough for a thumbs up 👍
I love how the 100 meter race analogy turned into saying that any gold and lower players are just crawling around naked without any clue as to what is going on
@harstem This is a total nitpick, but the "bane splits" at 25:01 were a single a-move. 😛 They just targeted whatever was in range.
can you do more analogies like the 100m race
Map control....don't operate on a "wait and see" tactic....if you spend resources on units, make sure they serve their purpose
10:18 tbf the workers not working also cost like 50-100 minerals so its pretty even
Well I agrer to analysis in general, but two comments : 1) value of baneling /zergling runbuys is not just the cost of the opponent units it kills. Containing terran into a psychological state where he pretty much never leaves his yard is the real value they provide in this game. 2) one thing you can't do is give Zerg space. While it's fun that all races have different mechanics I always had second thoughts about weather it is ok to give Zerg so good macro tools that every race has to do damage against Zerg or they will lose. Against best Zerg players it seems that you are always on a clock where you must inflict damage fast and that doesn't succeed you would be overwhelmed at some poont. While the race almost implies this mechanics I always thought it is just too OP to suddenly pump out 15 ultras because you built a tech structure and all your economy (hatches) works as building infrastructure too.
I always thought you woukd have to ballance it by making larva cost for different units variable or introducing more morphing paths.. So Ultras/Infestors/Vipers are morphed not directly from larva, but from other units.
Very educational as always... keep laughing it is fun.
The zerg might be Railgan? I know he likes to build a few corruptors to keep medivac count down
As soon as I saw "Sisyphus", I was wondering if Hamster added a myth. Of course, he did. So nice of you, Hamster.