This is all part of "Game 2". WTD knew there would be backlash because he asked Chillin with Monie to view the video and give her thoughts as well as other YTers and she told him he need to take that out and he didn't. He never intended too. The apology was fake...it was all part of thier plan, Game 2 discredit Kendrick and make him look bad. 💯
That bro is going out sad. Called a pillar in hip hop culture "Carlton" and judged him for not saying the n word and now he's on Twitter saying Kendrick fans are the most toxic fans on the planet. He's crashing out
Lots of fans of Kendrick, especially the new ones gained from not like us are pretty toxic tho, but so are a lot of the fans of Drake, especially ever since he lost the beef to Kendrick. IMO a lot of artists of major artists across popular music genres always have quite toxic fanbases. Judging people for not saying the n-word shows how little interaction this mf has had with black peoples in his life. I know lots of black peoples who don’t say it and judge black peoples who do. Although almost all of them are from a much older generation. I used to do it when I was in my teens, but me and most of my friends stopped saying it when we grew up apart from rapping the lyrics to songs.
@@pettygibbs984 Listen, “to you” isn’t the census for majority of people in the community. The facts are he has been doing this for a while and a White visitor came in to criticize a BLACK PERSON of all people the extent of his Blackness. Like naw WTD, you gotta take several seats with that. EDIT: WTD had made an apology to TCM and it seemed genuine to me. However, that’s not up to me to accept his apology. What matters is he was able to swallow his pride and acknowledged that the field he’s in, needs to be handled accordingly b/c again, he is a visitor. Telling a Black person what makes them Black wasn’t his place to say. Though this is growth and hopefully he maneuvers as such.
Dirt was always superrrr shady. His content was all borrowed and stolen... I literally saw the videos he literally took from and was stunned. And he always had a kenny chip. And Im okay with that if he owned it. I commented on this in company mans video a month ago. Im glad my bs radar is working, I need to trust me more! He literally lacks any authenticity .....
@@vinny184 yeah the fandom wars needs to stop. Neither of these guys needs us going back and forth on their behalf. Like what you like and keep it moving.
@mag3er1 ikr! I was side eyeing TCM until he said this part. Like drake def could be the type of ninja who - uses the n word in the whitest way possible 💩
Not defending him at all, just if you're gonna criticize him, make sure you have the full context so you can do it properly and thoroughly. Dude is actually in his mid 30s and he's been paying attention to rap since the 90s. Doesn't make anything he said any less fucked up. Also kinda makes him being such a huge Drake fan even more crazy because he was basically in his 20s when Drake first started popping off.
@@kyletucker3811 Man, the first album I ever bought was Enter the Wu-Tang and it kind of set the standard in my head. You can't Drake after that, like it shouldn't even be possible in your brain.
@@kyletucker3811how’s it possible for one to dissect the quatriplequntle ententres of dot so thoroughly, obviously understanding the genius behind it to then still think drake is superior 😢
@@kyletucker3811 Doesn't that make it even more fucked up? Like I've been listening to hip hop for all of my life since I was 7 years old, but I'm an outsider, and I would look just as wack and goofy making videos about black culture being corrected by an African American, specially someone like Justin and calling him a Carlton?! Excuse me? Are you really a fan of the culture or you like the music and jumped on the hype train since Hip Hop is now the #1 genre? If you've really been a fan your whole life and at 30+ years old you pull out the I don't have a racist bone in my body at this moment something's wrong with you
What’s the Dirt showed his contempt for Black people in his responses. He also called Justin a “snake”, questioned his intelligence and also called him an idiot. That was a mask off moment to me. Justin has been gracious to him and even suggested folks who were wary of WTD give him benefit of the doubt. Despite being shown grace he still couldn’t muster up an iota of respect when speaking about Justin. That speaks volumes …
Likewise bro... thats exactly how he meant that shit too... When I was younger I would always be like "what do u mean by that?" I would just watch them stammer... and sound ridiculous.
Used to hear it all the time too and what would really piss me off would be they'd say that shit like it was a compliment. Like I'm supposed to say thank you and wait for a pat on the head after they said I'm "white on the inside" just because I like to read books and was in AP classes. Nah they don't get to make intelligence or learning inherently white traits.
@magyare10 Thwy almost never answer that question either lol. The crazy thing is I genuinely want them to answer it even though I think I already know the answer
Theres literally a whole episode in Fresh Prince reaffirming Carlton's black identity despite his upbringing and personality not being boxed into the stereotypes expect black people to perform.
Right? I was like 11 when I saw that episode and even I was like ooooooh okay that's how it works, got it, makes sense, I learned a thing. Not too much to ask for this grown ass man who apparently loves hip hip so much to get it too.
Seriously. I give a lot of respect to Fresh Prince for giving 90s white kids like me an education concerning black issues when we certainly weren't being taught that in school, we didn't live around any black people at all and weren't able to interact with black people on personal levels until later in life. As a kid, I always thought the show was just funny as hell but now I know how important that show and many other black created and black made shows like In Living Color and others were in schooling me on empathy and appreciation for people who look different from myself.
There's a few episodes that are like that, but the one I think of that most directly tackles it was the fraternity episode where the dude calls him a "sellout". That show was doing a lot for a mainstream sitcom hit in the 90s.
I've had white people try to explain to me what black slang means on the internet more than once. The funny thing is, they were usually wrong! Had me tripping.
I'm still mad at y'all for not backslapping those that highjacked "woke." It felt like we were making improvement when we were telling each other to "stay woke." Then it became about putting token ⚫️s and LGBT characters in films and inserting an aggregious race lesson.
Dirt just confirmed why gatekeeping is so important. I was actually rooting for him till he spoke on TCM. He did a Drake move, which is ironic. He thought his subs and view count meant he was gonna garner more respect than a Justin Hunte, but the people of the culture are getting that ass in check😂
People have been listening to Justin for years across multiple platforms from radio stations, websites and channels. And WTD thought he could bully him based on current subscriber count smh
What people don't realize is that by clowning articulate black people, you're supporting a power structure that seeks to keep us marginalized and keep blackness defined as performative.
He is just showing a typical arrogance. He sees black people and their music as a way to make a name for himself and as something that serves him and should be subservient to him. He's above the culture while feeding off of it. Coloniser energy right there.
@@nilespeshay1734 yup which is why everyone emulates black people. There’s drill on every continent except for Antarctica. Hell, folks will just emulate blackness ala Asian artists w black protective hair styles and grills. And it’s not just them
@@lisele39I was watching Curtiss King covering this earlier, and he was wondering if WTD had literally counted them one by one, or if he'd put the lyrics up in word, so he counted every time WTD called TCM stupid/an idiot/explicitly questioned his intelligence. It was more than once per minute in the 12 minute video he did it 13 or 14 times. Then of course WTD admitted to Ctrl+Fing it. So messed up, it's wild.
i mean to be fair,usually most program that let you find a word in a word document show how much the word show up,so he dont need to manually count it but its still funny that he made that connection regardless
I agree but at least with Kendrick he has made some stuff that really makes you think hard. Saying that was Drake's intention to say the "n word" is insane and doesn't make him look like a lyrical genius or anything. Lol@@akatskiflow7526
he interviewed tariq nasheed and has incorporated nasheed's ideas into some of his recent videos, which was the point i tuned out. had been watching the breakdown since college, so that was weird
He is hip hip journalism for me. Him and Dead End Hip Hop were such essential figures for me a decade plus ago when I was in high school falling in love with Hip Hop
@@ThomAvellaok so I’m not the only one who felt this way. Haven’t watched the video just heard about what’s happening. I first saw it on Curtis King’s page
I’ve been watching him since I was a 17 year old high school senior all the way back in 2016. He’s one of the main people who first helped cultivate my love of hip hop in the first place. He had to walk so what’s the dirt could run so the disrespect is crazy tone deaf. And I say that as someone who’s generally enjoyed what’s the dirts content
Professor Sky lost me when he said people benefit from colonialism in his “not like us” analysis. My homeland is now called Texas, only white folks benefited from the US taking over Texas.
@@akatskiflow7526Professor Sky is a billion times more respectful in his analysis than Mr Dirt was in his latest video. He also regularly disqualifies his input, he acknowledges every time he speculates that he is in no way qualified to be speaking on the subjects! Theyre not comparable man
About the Diddy situation, I think we should observe that most of the people in the industry were "disgusted" or "calling him out" were doing it more because of the homosexuality than necessarily because of the abuse.
The whiteboy as been shooting at him for 25 years.... and hes an old school cosign, what Dre says, goes. Contracts dont matter - this was part of the cosign and gatekeeping that Wayne didnt uphold. It was always about big and tupac. Dre knows something.
@@1988jeffyactually a good point in relation, because Em never made remarks about about Diddy being abusive. Likely because Dre is also the same, if not worse, but he'd call him out for being a pos in twenty other different ways over Tupac. Shows how much of that type of behavior is co-signed, especially when leading figures are the perpetrators in question.
a big reason why people initially turned on WTD was the fact that in his promo post for Family Matters he was basically saying " FINALLY I GET TO EXPOSE KENDRICK FOR BEATING HIS WIFE SO ALL YOU KENDRICK FANS GON HAVE TO SIT BACK AND WATCH AS DRAKE DESTROYS HIM" (im paraphrasing lol) and it caught everyone off guard because he always said he's a fan of both and came across as unbiased.. so this crashout was a month in the making
@jesstiss222 The fact that he still has viewers anticipating his videos is what puzzles me. People greatly overhyped his "6.16 in LA" breakdown because they love tabloid-style gossip which seems to be his specialty. In that video he made a few solid points but so much of his breakdown relied on digging for dirt (and living up to his name.)
@@TakverReturns yeah I’m definitely not a fan of Dirt’s but i really want to see if he’s as honest and unbiased as he claims when it comes to all of the weird case information that’s been surfacing the past few months. And I’m glad you were turned off by his name too! From the jump it just sounded like an outsider wanting to dig up salacious stuff in our culture for folks like him to get their voyeuristic rocks off and seem cool to their friends Year of exposure and I’m here for it!
Yo, I had no problem with the content. I honestly enjoyed watching a video on the beef that wasn’t just more Drake hate. I’m not a fan but it’s getting stupidly unbalanced with criticism of Drake vs Kendrick. But, WTDs vids always have me confused and have just decided to turn my brain off and be entertained. Oh finally. Kendrick fans don’t have to “sit there and take it”. You can always not watch the video.
Lol. To be fair, some of us white people have known Michael Rappaport is nothing but a white dude who "wants to be black but doesn't want to BE black" to use an eloquently worded quote from Paul Mooney. After years of watching street fight videos, I would like to know when in time American white, Latino, and Asian young dudes decided they can start tossing around the n-word like black people do with other black people. When I, a white dude, was growing up, that was a sure fire way to lose a good black friend due to them being disappointed in you or to rightfully and justifiably get fucked up.
I was watching Curtiss King covering it and he counted every time WTD called TCM stupid/an idiot/ignorant or similar. It was just over one insult per minute IIRC. Like the video was 12 mins long and he directly insulted his intelligence 13 or 14 times. Almost all of them saying "stupid" or "idiot"
That 37 years/37 N-word connection he TRIED to make for "Family Matters" is why not everyone can make rap related content. Where did he think he was going with that?
Also the "his dad's family uses the word all the time"... How do you know that, sir? 🧐 You got receipts? Justin was right to question Matt's journalistic integrity with that one.
@kaedatiger thats real shit not ALL of us use that word i do but i know to watch myself around some black folks especially older black folks because they dont like that word no matter what spin we put on it even my own mother dont use that word so i don't use it around her
@@kaedatiger Tbf WTD did show a clip of Drake saying that his dad's family use the word in his twitter video response, and I do believe that he wasn't just guessing this information. What's really weird is the fact that he's surprised that people took it that way. He should have just included the clip in the video. It was already 2 hours +, what harm was another 10-15 second clip gonna do.
The connection he made with that is the same kind he was making in all of his previous videos on the beef. I don't know why we're surprised that some of his theories about the lyrics were reaches this time...
@@lakedubois8109I think Bill just needs to work on his delivery, his actual content is pretty good. Sometimes it feels like he recorded it in one take, which is commendable for raw unfiltered thoughts but probably not the best way to convey a message for a video essay. Still fucks with him though.
It's way worse than the 'you're so well spoken' cliche! At least that one is an unambiguous complement, and it comes from a place of people having their ignorance challenged, and being aware of it. The Carlton line is basically 'you're so well spoken.... and that's a bad thing, because black people aren't well spoken, and black people are cool, and so the fact that you're well spoken means you are therefore less black and therefore less cool'. There's layers upon layers of racism there, it's borderline impressive how much you can fit into so few words. EDIT: I should maybe have been clearer, but I am not defending the undeniably racist 'well spoken' line, I hope we don't need to have this conversation in the year of our Lord 2024, but it's still racist, even if it comes from a place of well-meaning ignorance (which it often isn't, btw). I was trying to draw a contrast, because WtD's ''Carlton' line was INTENDED as an insult, and I think that makes it a lot worse- it was a weaponisation of a racial stereotype deployed to be cutting and mocking towards a respected black man, and intended to 'put him in his place' in the most public way possible. Please don't take my comment as a defence of a racist trope, it was intended as a comment on the intentionality and ugliness of a different racist trope.
“An unambiguous compliment”? No, it’s a _backhanded_ compliment since it’s usually code for “because you people aren’t usually considered ‘well-spoken.’” And let’s not even get into the “can’t be considered intelligent/well-spoken if it’s AAVE” angle…
@@EchoJ see, here's the thing that's always gotten me about this I've been called well spoken and eloquent all my life (by teachers off all races, male and female) but I knew it was never because it was 'shocking for a black girl to speak so well', it was because I literally spoke with more accuracy than about 90% of my graduating class lmao (I should also mention that I'm from rural West Virginia, so being well-spoken is already a rarity 😅) That's why when people are like 'you shouldn't call a black person well spoken, that's problematic ' I'm like...I'm not the one associating eloquence with whiteness, you are lmao
@@sunsh1ne1024 There's DEF a difference between how people say it. I've had that 'compliment' from white people (and others) in a genuine way... and in a closeted racist way. You can usually tell based on how they say it, ie the racist way usually has an implied 'for a black person' looming in the background lol.
@@elijahclaude3413Nods. You can tell the difference between someone appreciating that you're articulate versus someone who is shocked (or pleasantly surprised) that you can string a sentence together in Standard English. The latter is always a back-handed compliment, at best, and a thinly veiled insult at worst.
While I won’t argue against your point of White males being the biggest consumers of Hip Hop, there is more nuance to that. You can’t really name any White person that’s prominent in the genre, artist or otherwise that hasn’t been co-signed by Black people. I think that needs to be said.
Nah I was going through the same thing lmao, I was sitting here trying to get fully on board with his point like "Yeah for sure there's tons of white people that have advanced hip hop.....if I think hard enough" 🤣
In theory yes, it just gets messy because you can’t divide the world into foxes and hens. There are people that aren’t malicious but don’t know how to act. There are people who have a lot to contribute but don’t necessarily have good intentions. There are people who make mistakes. There may be deep-rooted issues in the culture that people in the “in-group” aren’t ready to see and address, requiring some outside perspective. All that to say, gatekeeping is definitely important for the health of the culture, but it’s also important for people to challenge the gatekeepers and let the culture evolve sometimes. Which means we can’t ever “just leave it up to the gatekeepers” or “just open the gates”. To be clear, not disagreeing with you, just throwing some nuance on top.
@@samsprague3158sadly decades of experience have shown us that the culture is getting more corrupted so at this point we have to gate keep. Keeping the outsiders out until we figure out the direction we need to go. Hip hop has become a whole big party bcos of outsiders. We no longer use it to match and change our lives as a black people like in the past.
If you view What’s The Dirt through a similar lens as you’d view DJ VLAD or Adam 22, his response and behaviour makes a lot of sense. It’s not just about him being culturally “clueless”, there is a condescension and contempt with which they speak to their primarily Black audience. When someone shows you repeatedly who they are please believe them.
Agreed. I think the emphasis on their supposed 'cluelessness' makes them sound innocent and well-intentioned. Cultural ignorance aside, you can see the arrogance (and sometimes the intentionalmalice) with some of these guys. They may have the knowledge of cultural insiders but they sue as heck know *exactly* what they are doing when they decide to make moves (and money) off of hip hop.
trying my best to learn from how this all went down this past week as a non-black minority and someone that's been making content in this space for 10+ years. I really just got in this as a middle schooler for the love of music and wanting to analyze and understand music lyrics the same way we look at literature/poetry but I think I'm lucky my growth has been a lot slower and I've gotten mentorship from a lot of OGs (shoutout Most Unruly and Atz show) so I could kind of make sure I'm aware of my place in the grander scheme of things. I guess coming up that quickly and getting that much recognition so early could get to someone's head a bit. definitely a learning lesson seeing this happen from the outside and I hope Matt can learn from this too
The fact that he called this man some form of stupid and idiot several times showed me what type of time he's on. And black people being way too nice to him made him feel empowered to even disrespect someone he doesn't know, an elder to the game of hip hop, and most importantly another black man. I say mist importantly because white people calling black people stupid will never not have systemic racist backings. Especially when he's being called stupid on subject matter he is a professional in.
The truth of the matter is that he doesn't care. Grace and benefit of the doubt is only effective when the person ha remorse. There's only remorse where there is respect. He doesn't respect us. He is and will always have access to hip hop without being required to respect us so he isn't losing anything over this, especially since like you said, his predominant audience isn't us.
I'm not even sure if I'd call Fantano a "hiphop" gatekeeper/journalist. Like, he approaches hiphop as it exists in the context of the whole artform of music, and judges albums in their entirety - which is fundamentally different from how most music consumers approach music and albums. Hell, most people don't even judge music by albums anymore, they just listen to the 2-3 songs they maybe like on sportify and irgnore the rest of what's on the album. Plenty of hiphop albums he rates low have low scores mostly because they don't hold up when compared to the entirety of music (including the jazz, R&B, etc. they make reference to) or because they have a bunch of filler songs for runtime on them. That's not how I would personally approach music, and often I don't agree with his assessments, but I do respect he treats all works (mostly) equally and with the same level of scrutiny.
Yeah to me it feels like people connect him to hiphop media mainly because both artists and fans interact more directly with critique within the genre This is of course partially due to both his ethnicity together with the approach you described.
@@Addeand I think FD said it perfectly in that at the moment, hip hop is still the biggest genre so most people are gonna check him for that, but to Fantano its probably just one of many genres he checks out
Right. People forget that he is a music critic and listens to a wide range of genres...not just hip hop. There are times when some of his takes are a little obtuse or may miss the mark, but I also feel that he approaches it criticism as a profession.
Yeah he and he is knowledgeable on music in general more so than the average person by a wide margin. Musics funny because everyone can be a music critic but to be a good one you actually have to invest yourself deeply into the art like fantano not just come up with your own head-cannon as to what something represents because you don’t have the knowledge to factually or tastefully back the claims up (looking at you WTD)
demonstrates how different our cultures are. no black household would let a child grow up with the confidence to talk to a black adult like this, even through the internet.
I genuinely don’t understand this . Are you saying that no black child is ever disrespectful to a black adult? That’s not my experience as a black teacher
Even if he didn’t mean any harm by the Carlton line, the fact that he couldn’t smell the stink on saying something like that to a black man immediately disqualifies him as someone capable of engaging with the matters of blackness in these songs. I know suburban white boys with better sense than that. The only way to slip like that is to not be truly in community with black people, like at all.
As non-black people, we need to recognize that we are always a GUEST. We are not entitled to the culture the way the black community is. It doesn't matter how long we've enjoyed aspects of the culture. This is not our house, we are just visitors and allies, and that is okay.
Im not trying to be argumentative here, but i dont really see how this mindset is sustainable for humanity. I understand why ppl feel this way, but i also dont see any logical conclusion to this mindset other than segregation of america. If black culture can proliferate thru american culture, but then nonblack americans can never be considered a part of that culture, a culture that has been a major part of american society and culture as a whole for decades, what endgoal is there to that but rifts between black and nonblack people in our country? It feels like a 'having the cake and eating it too' thing, to me, to want black culture to be a huge part of american culture while at the same time insisting nonblack ppl cant ever be a true part of it. It ignores the reality of how culture works, it ignores the reality that you cant have both without creating racial tensions. The obvious solution is then to maintain the integrity of black culture by not letting it proliferate thru american culture as a whole, but thats 1: impossible, and 2: only even kinda possible with segregation. So at some point i feel like ppl have to develop more nuanced opinions than this about it, because it cant be as simple as nonblack ppl being never more than guests to cultural elements that have been mainstream since before they were born. I guess this all stems from a personal opinion that tying culture to ethnicity and race at all is one of humanities biggest mistakes, and inherently in conflict with a truly equal society, which is something a lot of ppl dont think.
@@leaffinite2001We’re saying you can pay for rap albums all you like. Just don’t expect rappers to listen to your opinion. Eat your food and stay out of the kitchen.
@nirvanaheights but see this is exactly whst im talking about. You want the success for black culture that can only be achieved by becoming prolific in american culture as a whole, without the consequences. Your comment as a response to my questions is just a reaffirmation of the mindset i already acknowledged and am aware of without answering any of my questions about what i see as major flaws in that mindset.
@@leaffinite2001 The connection between ethnicity, race and culture isn't a conscious decision, let alone a mistake. Real-world circumstances connect these elements, especially in places where specific groups have been subjugated and forcibly banned from political, educational and social institutions. These cultural connections and thus seperations develop organically, along with our identities. Culture is about lived experience, traditions, and concrete circumstances. People who do not share these experiences (like being Black in America), these traditions (like those born of chattel slavery or Jim Crow), or these concrete circumstances (navigating this society with specific traits) do not have the same right to input as those who do. It's pretty basic. If you do not have a certain relationship to or within a culture, you cannot possibly have the same understanding or perspective on it, and thus you do not have the same ability, let alone right to contribute. I LOVE certain elements of Indian culture and believe in many Dharmic philosophies. I'm not about to start criticising or critiquing elements of Indian culture, or Indian people, for the reasons mentioned above. I'm a guest in those houses, not a resident. I do not face the same obstacles, nor share the same experiences as the creators of that culture, and therefore cannot possibly understand as they do (no matter how popular or white-washed elements of their cultures become) .
@leaffinite2001 One main reason why I agree with the gatekeeping method is because oftentimes when people outside of the culture feel entitled to it, they will often try to change or control it. And when you live in a society with racial hierarchies, certain peoples' opinions will always be given more weight and sway. It's also important to acknowledge that culture isn't just cool music or fashion or art. Culture is an entire expression of self, community, experience, and is often therapeutic for those within it. When the rest of society already deems you as less than, culture and community are your sanctuary. So when certain people from other groups who are higher on the racial hierarchy get the power to change it, that opens a lot of dangerous doors for certain people to control and manipulate the culture, the safespace, and expression, and the truth of those within it. No, it's not sustainable, but neither is racism as a whole, but gatekeeping might give people pause to think about why the gatekeeping is in place, and especially it protects the vulnerable groups within said culture from hegemonic manipulation and control. In terms of American culture, there is no such thing. There are various indigenous american cultures, there is palm colored American culture, there is black American culture, there is latinx American culture, there are various Asian American cultures, etc. There is no one American culture because no two ethnicities and races of people ever experience America the same.
I'm just waiting for FD and Lil Bill to fuse Steven Universe style to drop the ultimate 4 hour video essay on online meme politics and ineffectual online intellectualism. That's right. I ship Billnifier.
i misread this as "fusing to make a 4 hour steven universe video" which would be weird but "online meme politics and ineffectual online intellectualism" would still apply
@@uzumaki3755 It kinda varies for me personally. I honestly don't know if I could put one over the other, because I appreciate their differing perspectives on similar topics. Same with Foreign, CJ The X, Andrewism, Anansi's Library, T1J, Jawn Lewis, Herby Revolus, and Jay Smooth. I do agree about their rivalry though. I always laugh when they razz the other in their videos!
He means there's a lot more to the subject than can be talked about in a short video. What you're implying suggests a level of homophobia that you should do a little self reflection about
It’s so crazy cause not even 3 months ago he said at the end of his euphoria video (I think) something like “I am a guest in hip hop and I hope this analysis and video is a way to leave my imprint on something that has welcomed me in, AS A GUEST” and has somehow completely forgotten his place and is acting like he never understood that concept in the first place. It’s sad but honestly what else could I expect from a Canadian
I literally said on Justin Hunte's video that Matt shouldn't change anything about his video, but take the criticism and understand where it's coming from. Matt has no cultural awareness and that's why so many are saying he's a "vulture" he's not, but he definitely needs to have some people who ARE of the culture in his corner to check him and validate some of his research. But that "I can tell" burned a bridge with me, Justin Hunte, and many others who could have been in his corner to help him make a better and larger platform. I don't even like his breakdowns, but his fall off is totally on him after this one.
He had some questionable tweets a few weeks ago, and some Black UA-camrs who he had a rapport with tried to help and “guide” him then. Few weeks later he’s calling an esteemed Black journalist a “snake” and speaking to him so rudely! There’s no need to guide him when he’s been given that opportunity. I say when someone shows you who they are just believe them
We need a study on what I can only describe as “the modern dissagreement” where criticism only drives ppl deeper into their wrongness. Happening a lot since trump and the pandemic
Watch any toddler and that is the way they have arguments: this is what I have decided and the more you say, the more stubborn I will be. The internet is just one big kindergarden
Dont remember what its called but theres been studies on this since time. Alot of people take criticisms as being personal attacks. They gotta protect their ego, so they double down. Tid a tale as old as time. And its easier to change someones opinion if you show that you agree with them about some things first.
Didn't know about the company man thing. Just started scrolling through WTD's twitter. Man said the fact that Drake bought a bunch of rappers' old chains is a new fact that he brought up that would be talked about for decades. Shit got to his head BIG TIME
Same. I watched a lot of reaction videos as a result to the beef, dozens and ended up subscribing to around a handful(If I remember page names I’ll edit later). I didn’t like dudes tone or energy within minutes, didn’t finish or give him another chance. I love when my intuition speaks loud like that.
(Raises hand ✋🏾)Same here. I know that Justin tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that "6.16 in LA" video left me puzzled over the levels of hype that it garnered. A few good points that mostly focused on the first two verses while he skkmmed over the core verses of the song which made the analysis uneven. His analysis of the first 2 verses was mostly speculation supported by tabloid 'journalism' which I didn't care for, and I remember warning people back then that his name ("What's the Dirt") was a giveaway of his overall approach...
Channels like yours and Lil Bill’s helped me realize that it’s better to support a black UA-camr or streamer who you agree with rather than posting the idea like it’s your own. I rudely posted something about the “slaves free” line and was checked by the people. I should have known since I am offended by terrible mascots in Native regalia.
Same man, it's like being an ally of LGBTQIA (assuming you aren't apart of it), it's better to uplift and advocate people who naturally belong to those spaces. There can be good intentions but we can never prioritize our thoughts/voices over the people we are focused on. In the case of Hip-Hop it can be blurry because Black Culture is not Hip Hop but Hip Hop is Black Culture.
why tf did WTD have to go at The Company Man like that? he needs to apologize. I didn't care for everything in the "Family Matters" breakdown. but there was enough substance for me not to dismiss it entirely for the missteps even though I agree with Justin completely. then I saw the X/Twitter video and the way WTD disrespected him. truly disgusting. his tone reeked of contempt and disdain for the type of black person that Justin is. like when Joe Biden said anyone black not voting for him 'ain't black.' like he's the blackness judge?? foh
@@Reevesbeatz1yeah if he’s gonna talk that shit and put the ignorant shit out there publically, he gotta own up to his mistakes publicly too. That’s the responsibility of having a voice.
Yes he caught things I didn't when K. Dot dropped. There's also another British Guy but I forget his name, has respect for the culture as well. ( Not Trap Lore Ross! 😅)
I've seen a few of his "first time listening" reaction videos and he was so quick with the analysis I thought for sure he was cheating. He knows what he's talking about, seems to stay in his lane.
most of the people who have beef with Fantano think you can't critically evaluate music at all. his comment sections on shorts are full of people claiming there's no such thing as bad music
If Justin Hunte told me I said something weird, I'd be on an apology tour. The thought of clapping back at the best hip-hop journalist of a generation as a newcomer is nuts to me. Ensures I'll never, ever see any of this dude's content.
You're videos are too good man I do not care about any of this stuff and its 4 am but I cannot stop watching them just the way you perfectly intelligently describe things and relate it to modern and relevant things is unmatched. I always find myself wanting to be a part of this conversation you are having I want to talk out loud to the screen at you. Thanks you are a badass.
What's funny is that months ago, when I watched WTD's breakdown on Euphoria,I said to myself, "I trust him I can see the fear in his eyes. He knows he'sa guest in the culture." When I clicked on the Family Matters breakdown I no longer saw that fear. Bro got too comfortable.
WTD must’ve got threatened with a Lawsuit from the 6:16inLA-breakdown 😂 because ain’t no way someone is switching up that quick to intentionally crash out the way he did
I believe he was "contacted" in some form or fashion because he made efforts in his first videos to show he was unbiased, even though he was a Canadian Drizzy fan
Digging in the Greats has some real good content on Hip-Hop music and history through the samples of beats and production. Just throwing it out there to check out
Totally agree about everything FD.... the one thing I will say is that no one seems to know or care about even though WTD has mentioned several times in his videos is that he is Bipolar. Like diagnosed, medicated, etc. He is probably having a manic episode. That's not an excuse at all but someone who cares about him needs to get him before he ruins himself
Was waiting on this vid. Haven’t finished watching yet lol but it’s insane. Dude couldn’t take criticism, tries to blame it on Kendrick fans, then starts questioning Justin’s blackness?? Nasty work
"The cookout is closed until liberation. At best, if you know somebody you cool with, they will bring you a plate." FD, you gotta trademark that and put it on merch
I don’t like you poppin shit at thecompanyman, for him I inherit the beef
Lets Gooooooo. I love seeing us reunite. I'm on the grill though no questions.
This is all part of "Game 2". WTD knew there would be backlash because he asked Chillin with Monie to view the video and give her thoughts as well as other YTers and she told him he need to take that out and he didn't. He never intended too. The apology was fake...it was all part of thier plan, Game 2 discredit Kendrick and make him look bad. 💯
Let me see if FD really crash somethin
Kedu? What are you doing here, Scru? 😊
ayo scru??? here????
We need your video on wtd bro
Hey Scru 👋
Yooo Scru here too! It's starting to look like a party in this comment section.
Stop it.
That bro is going out sad. Called a pillar in hip hop culture "Carlton" and judged him for not saying the n word and now he's on Twitter saying Kendrick fans are the most toxic fans on the planet. He's crashing out
Lots of fans of Kendrick, especially the new ones gained from not like us are pretty toxic tho, but so are a lot of the fans of Drake, especially ever since he lost the beef to Kendrick. IMO a lot of artists of major artists across popular music genres always have quite toxic fanbases.
Judging people for not saying the n-word shows how little interaction this mf has had with black peoples in his life. I know lots of black peoples who don’t say it and judge black peoples who do. Although almost all of them are from a much older generation.
I used to do it when I was in my teens, but me and most of my friends stopped saying it when we grew up apart from rapping the lyrics to songs.
@@pettygibbs984 Listen, “to you” isn’t the census for majority of people in the community. The facts are he has been doing this for a while and a White visitor came in to criticize a BLACK PERSON of all people the extent of his Blackness. Like naw WTD, you gotta take several seats with that.
EDIT: WTD had made an apology to TCM and it seemed genuine to me. However, that’s not up to me to accept his apology. What matters is he was able to swallow his pride and acknowledged that the field he’s in, needs to be handled accordingly b/c again, he is a visitor. Telling a Black person what makes them Black wasn’t his place to say. Though this is growth and hopefully he maneuvers as such.
Dirt was always superrrr shady. His content was all borrowed and stolen... I literally saw the videos he literally took from and was stunned. And he always had a kenny chip. And Im okay with that if he owned it. I commented on this in company mans video a month ago. Im glad my bs radar is working, I need to trust me more! He literally lacks any authenticity .....
@@vinny184 yeah the fandom wars needs to stop. Neither of these guys needs us going back and forth on their behalf. Like what you like and keep it moving.
@@picthis870 did you forget hip hop contains white people?
When he said Drake specifically said nigga 37 times to represent all the years he's been alive as a black man, I couldn't believe it lmfao
And just proves Kendrick's point even more lol this just can't be real.
Drake a Scorpio and named his album scorpion why was that so freaking hard to believe?
Drake the self absorb and starving to be recognize, drake? Naw no way he screaming the obvious
@@TempRawr it's not too obvious the way these outraged fans acting, man literally said imma say what you said not to say why would it be reach
@mag3er1 ikr! I was side eyeing TCM until he said this part. Like drake def could be the type of ninja who - uses the n word in the whitest way possible 💩
This mf from Newfoundland. The first black person he ever saw was probably in a Drake music video.
Not even Drake himself?! Damn! 🤣🤣🤣
Not defending him at all, just if you're gonna criticize him, make sure you have the full context so you can do it properly and thoroughly. Dude is actually in his mid 30s and he's been paying attention to rap since the 90s. Doesn't make anything he said any less fucked up. Also kinda makes him being such a huge Drake fan even more crazy because he was basically in his 20s when Drake first started popping off.
@@kyletucker3811 Man, the first album I ever bought was Enter the Wu-Tang and it kind of set the standard in my head. You can't Drake after that, like it shouldn't even be possible in your brain.
@@kyletucker3811how’s it possible for one to dissect the quatriplequntle ententres of dot so thoroughly, obviously understanding the genius behind it to then still think drake is superior 😢
@@kyletucker3811 Doesn't that make it even more fucked up? Like I've been listening to hip hop for all of my life since I was 7 years old, but I'm an outsider, and I would look just as wack and goofy making videos about black culture being corrected by an African American, specially someone like Justin and calling him a Carlton?! Excuse me? Are you really a fan of the culture or you like the music and jumped on the hype train since Hip Hop is now the #1 genre? If you've really been a fan your whole life and at 30+ years old you pull out the I don't have a racist bone in my body at this moment something's wrong with you
He got comfortable. Too comfortable, and his view count made him feel like he was infallible.
exactly
Concur'd. Pride goeth before a fall. That's the number one thing I've seen taking people down this way.
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Couldn’t read the room I guess. Happens more than it should. He will feel it now
Canceled
What’s the Dirt showed his contempt for Black people in his responses. He also called Justin a “snake”, questioned his intelligence and also called him an idiot. That was a mask off moment to me. Justin has been gracious to him and even suggested folks who were wary of WTD give him benefit of the doubt.
Despite being shown grace he still couldn’t muster up an iota of respect when speaking about Justin. That speaks volumes …
Exactly. He removed his Twitter response about Justin, but I see that as the true version of him, and it wasn't pretty.
exactly, he should have apologized immediately, most would have forgiven him. He chose this
@@matt18031 Removed it due to backlash, yet no apology.
You're trying to make it racist when it's not. He would have just as easily said the same things about Justin if he was white.
Ego is a funny ol' thing, and when it gets punctured, people will show their true selves (and their arse)
Honored by the shout out. Love that the Kendrick / Drake beef just spread to Hip-Hop commentary.
Professor!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
Would appreciate your thoughts on Lupe Fiasco's views on the battle. Also to be fair, I'd be open to your reviewing his album
I've been away from French literature for half a lifetime. Your channel's given me a handy excuse to head back. Thanks.
Watching you right now literally 😭😭 Prof. Skye Da goat 🫡🫡
Bonjour Professeur, contente de vous retrouver sous cette vidéo 😊
The Carlton line gave me "whitest black guy I ever seen" vibes. Used to hear that all the time from white kids growing up, shit always got me pressed
Likewise bro... thats exactly how he meant that shit too... When I was younger I would always be like "what do u mean by that?" I would just watch them stammer... and sound ridiculous.
The same exact energy as "you speak so eloquently". Heard that shit my entire life.
Used to hear it all the time too and what would really piss me off would be they'd say that shit like it was a compliment. Like I'm supposed to say thank you and wait for a pat on the head after they said I'm "white on the inside" just because I like to read books and was in AP classes.
Nah they don't get to make intelligence or learning inherently white traits.
@magyare10 Thwy almost never answer that question either lol. The crazy thing is I genuinely want them to answer it even though I think I already know the answer
@@donell307 They try the cop out with "You know what I mean...." nah man explain to me how blackness is suppose be?
Theres literally a whole episode in Fresh Prince reaffirming Carlton's black identity despite his upbringing and personality not being boxed into the stereotypes expect black people to perform.
Right? I was like 11 when I saw that episode and even I was like ooooooh okay that's how it works, got it, makes sense, I learned a thing. Not too much to ask for this grown ass man who apparently loves hip hip so much to get it too.
Exactly but when they don’t know the culture……
Seriously. I give a lot of respect to Fresh Prince for giving 90s white kids like me an education concerning black issues when we certainly weren't being taught that in school, we didn't live around any black people at all and weren't able to interact with black people on personal levels until later in life. As a kid, I always thought the show was just funny as hell but now I know how important that show and many other black created and black made shows like In Living Color and others were in schooling me on empathy and appreciation for people who look different from myself.
There's a few episodes that are like that, but the one I think of that most directly tackles it was the fraternity episode where the dude calls him a "sellout". That show was doing a lot for a mainstream sitcom hit in the 90s.
I feel like dude's never seen the show and only based that off like one Charlton montage video
I've had white people try to explain to me what black slang means on the internet more than once. The funny thing is, they were usually wrong! Had me tripping.
the caucasity 😂
@@Roman-bw2fo😭😭😭😭
When they started using “ah” and pronounced that shit wrong asf
I'm still mad at y'all for not backslapping those that highjacked "woke." It felt like we were making improvement when we were telling each other to "stay woke." Then it became about putting token ⚫️s and LGBT characters in films and inserting an aggregious race lesson.
When they started pronouncing chile like Chile, and the country had the nerve to get mad at US for highjackin it, I was too done.
Dirt just confirmed why gatekeeping is so important. I was actually rooting for him till he spoke on TCM. He did a Drake move, which is ironic. He thought his subs and view count meant he was gonna garner more respect than a Justin Hunte, but the people of the culture are getting that ass in check😂
Exactly. How ironic!
The numbers guy who think coz he got numbers he’s the top guy and can do and say whatever
People have been listening to Justin for years across multiple platforms from radio stations, websites and channels. And WTD thought he could bully him based on current subscriber count smh
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"The cookout is closed. We'll bring you a plate" is such a great metaphor
What people don't realize is that by clowning articulate black people, you're supporting a power structure that seeks to keep us marginalized and keep blackness defined as performative.
Every +person of color+, in the world, is aware of the ramifications.
He is just showing a typical arrogance. He sees black people and their music as a way to make a name for himself and as something that serves him and should be subservient to him.
He's above the culture while feeding off of it. Coloniser energy right there.
@@nilespeshay1734 yup which is why everyone emulates black people. There’s drill on every continent except for Antarctica. Hell, folks will just emulate blackness ala Asian artists w black protective hair styles and grills. And it’s not just them
Exactly
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Laughing at the thought that WTD might have Ctrl+F the word “nigga”.
Laughing even harder that he might have counted them one by one. 🤣🤣🤣
He admitted that he Ctrl+F that 😩
@@lisele39I was watching Curtiss King covering this earlier, and he was wondering if WTD had literally counted them one by one, or if he'd put the lyrics up in word, so he counted every time WTD called TCM stupid/an idiot/explicitly questioned his intelligence. It was more than once per minute in the 12 minute video he did it 13 or 14 times.
Then of course WTD admitted to Ctrl+Fing it. So messed up, it's wild.
i mean to be fair,usually most program that let you find a word in a word document show how much the word show up,so he dont need to manually count it
but its still funny that he made that connection regardless
@@danang5 I prefer picturing that he counted them one by one, with the way he wants to insult someone's intelligence.
Never heard of the dude before this video but that 37 year breakdown is insane lmao
Yall were applauding the fact that Kendrick did 17 push ups in the not like us video. I know you're not talking about reaches
I agree but at least with Kendrick he has made some stuff that really makes you think hard. Saying that was Drake's intention to say the "n word" is insane and doesn't make him look like a lyrical genius or anything. Lol@@akatskiflow7526
@@akatskiflow7526 lmao, who is y’all?
@@akatskiflow7526people were calling that a reach, idk what ur talking about
@@akatskiflow7526WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU PEOPLE
Attacking The Company Man felt like a personal affront for me. He's been doing great work in the Hip-hop journalism space since I was a kid.
he interviewed tariq nasheed and has incorporated nasheed's ideas into some of his recent videos, which was the point i tuned out. had been watching the breakdown since college, so that was weird
@@ThomAvella !!!!!!!
He is hip hip journalism for me. Him and Dead End Hip Hop were such essential figures for me a decade plus ago when I was in high school falling in love with Hip Hop
@@ThomAvellaok so I’m not the only one who felt this way. Haven’t watched the video just heard about what’s happening. I first saw it on Curtis King’s page
I’ve been watching him since I was a 17 year old high school senior all the way back in 2016. He’s one of the main people who first helped cultivate my love of hip hop in the first place. He had to walk so what’s the dirt could run so the disrespect is crazy tone deaf. And I say that as someone who’s generally enjoyed what’s the dirts content
Justin was keeping it a friendly fade, then WTD got personal. This whole thing is like a UA-cam journalism microcosm of the Kendrick, Drake battle
Yep. WTD went out just like Drake😂
@@mrswilliams4831 legit was just thinking this earlier in the morning lol
And WTD is Canadian😂
It’s poetic in a sense………Poetic Justice if you will 🤣 sorry I had to.
@@OregonsOutdoorAssets and TCM is black American lol
What The Dirt got too lost in the sauce and thought he could talk loose about anything concerning Black people 😂😂💀
Yall let Professor Sky be allowed to question Drakes blackness. You started this
Professor Sky lost me when he said people benefit from colonialism in his “not like us” analysis. My homeland is now called Texas, only white folks benefited from the US taking over Texas.
@@akatskiflow7526Professor Sky is a billion times more respectful in his analysis than Mr Dirt was in his latest video. He also regularly disqualifies his input, he acknowledges every time he speculates that he is in no way qualified to be speaking on the subjects! Theyre not comparable man
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@@daEINSTEINkid1meanwhile wtd thinks putting a bunch of black people as his outro is enough backing
Unc really tweeted “I don’t know you and I say this with love.”
About the Diddy situation, I think we should observe that most of the people in the industry were "disgusted" or "calling him out" were doing it more because of the homosexuality than necessarily because of the abuse.
Very sad but true
True
The whiteboy as been shooting at him for 25 years.... and hes an old school cosign, what Dre says, goes. Contracts dont matter - this was part of the cosign and gatekeeping that Wayne didnt uphold. It was always about big and tupac. Dre knows something.
@@1988jeffyactually a good point in relation, because Em never made remarks about about Diddy being abusive. Likely because Dre is also the same, if not worse, but he'd call him out for being a pos in twenty other different ways over Tupac.
Shows how much of that type of behavior is co-signed, especially when leading figures are the perpetrators in question.
a big reason why people initially turned on WTD was the fact that in his promo post for Family Matters he was basically saying " FINALLY I GET TO EXPOSE KENDRICK FOR BEATING HIS WIFE SO ALL YOU KENDRICK FANS GON HAVE TO SIT BACK AND WATCH AS DRAKE DESTROYS HIM" (im paraphrasing lol)
and it caught everyone off guard because he always said he's a fan of both and came across as unbiased.. so this crashout was a month in the making
He better keep that same energy for Meet the Grahams and They Not Like Us 🍿👀😈
@jesstiss222 The fact that he still has viewers anticipating his videos is what puzzles me. People greatly overhyped his "6.16 in LA" breakdown because they love tabloid-style gossip which seems to be his specialty.
In that video he made a few solid points but so much of his breakdown relied on digging for dirt (and living up to his name.)
@@TakverReturns yeah I’m definitely not a fan of Dirt’s but i really want to see if he’s as honest and unbiased as he claims when it comes to all of the weird case information that’s been surfacing the past few months.
And I’m glad you were turned off by his name too! From the jump it just sounded like an outsider wanting to dig up salacious stuff in our culture for folks like him to get their voyeuristic rocks off and seem cool to their friends
Year of exposure and I’m here for it!
Yo, I had no problem with the content. I honestly enjoyed watching a video on the beef that wasn’t just more Drake hate. I’m not a fan but it’s getting stupidly unbalanced with criticism of Drake vs Kendrick.
But, WTDs vids always have me confused and have just decided to turn my brain off and be entertained.
Oh finally. Kendrick fans don’t have to “sit there and take it”. You can always not watch the video.
@@jesstiss222 no, he’s going to use this crash out to justify him not doing meet the grahams. Did you see what he posted?
Michael Rapaport is the leader of this trend and the reason people started to reevaluate cookout invites
Facts!!!
Lol. To be fair, some of us white people have known Michael Rappaport is nothing but a white dude who "wants to be black but doesn't want to BE black" to use an eloquently worded quote from Paul Mooney.
After years of watching street fight videos, I would like to know when in time American white, Latino, and Asian young dudes decided they can start tossing around the n-word like black people do with other black people. When I, a white dude, was growing up, that was a sure fire way to lose a good black friend due to them being disappointed in you or to rightfully and justifiably get fucked up.
Lolololol
Fact
Mmmmm yep.
That Carlton line was him telling on himself. And his reaction to being called on it made it worse. He is toast, no coming back from this.
Him calling a Black man so many versions of the word "idiot" was p telling.
I was watching Curtiss King covering it and he counted every time WTD called TCM stupid/an idiot/ignorant or similar. It was just over one insult per minute IIRC.
Like the video was 12 mins long and he directly insulted his intelligence 13 or 14 times. Almost all of them saying "stupid" or "idiot"
Exactly. That spoke volumes to me, the ease with which he questioned The Company Man’s intelligence was alarming and telling …
exactly the problem, that's what he thinks of us smh
It's the new N-word in subtext.
That 37 years/37 N-word connection he TRIED to make for "Family Matters" is why not everyone can make rap related content. Where did he think he was going with that?
to the cookout
Also the "his dad's family uses the word all the time"... How do you know that, sir? 🧐 You got receipts? Justin was right to question Matt's journalistic integrity with that one.
@kaedatiger thats real shit not ALL of us use that word i do but i know to watch myself around some black folks especially older black folks because they dont like that word no matter what spin we put on it even my own mother dont use that word so i don't use it around her
@@kaedatiger Tbf WTD did show a clip of Drake saying that his dad's family use the word in his twitter video response, and I do believe that he wasn't just guessing this information.
What's really weird is the fact that he's surprised that people took it that way. He should have just included the clip in the video. It was already 2 hours +, what harm was another 10-15 second clip gonna do.
The connection he made with that is the same kind he was making in all of his previous videos on the beef. I don't know why we're surprised that some of his theories about the lyrics were reaches this time...
That 37 theory is wild. I almost fell out of the chair.
Even if LilBill will produce the exact same video as Signifier and vice versa on this topic, I would still watch and endorse both of them.
Yep. One person doesn't have a monopoly on any topic because everyone filters things differently for unique spins.
I like FD and probably watch every upload. Bill is a little cringy for me but that’s just a personal thing
Facts
@@lakedubois8109cringy? How so?
@@lakedubois8109I think Bill just needs to work on his delivery, his actual content is pretty good. Sometimes it feels like he recorded it in one take, which is commendable for raw unfiltered thoughts but probably not the best way to convey a message for a video essay. Still fucks with him though.
FD typing “crash out” in the title is the most Unc ish ever 😂
Damn... How is it typed 😮💨
@@signifiedbsides1129 crashout lol
@@signifiedbsides1129it’s okay Unc, never change 🫶🏿
Also, its crashingout and yallcrashingout
@@signifiedbsides1129 unc in a good way, like unc who’s engaging with your interests type deal lol
It's way worse than the 'you're so well spoken' cliche! At least that one is an unambiguous complement, and it comes from a place of people having their ignorance challenged, and being aware of it. The Carlton line is basically 'you're so well spoken.... and that's a bad thing, because black people aren't well spoken, and black people are cool, and so the fact that you're well spoken means you are therefore less black and therefore less cool'. There's layers upon layers of racism there, it's borderline impressive how much you can fit into so few words.
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I should maybe have been clearer, but I am not defending the undeniably racist 'well spoken' line, I hope we don't need to have this conversation in the year of our Lord 2024, but it's still racist, even if it comes from a place of well-meaning ignorance (which it often isn't, btw). I was trying to draw a contrast, because WtD's ''Carlton' line was INTENDED as an insult, and I think that makes it a lot worse- it was a weaponisation of a racial stereotype deployed to be cutting and mocking towards a respected black man, and intended to 'put him in his place' in the most public way possible. Please don't take my comment as a defence of a racist trope, it was intended as a comment on the intentionality and ugliness of a different racist trope.
“An unambiguous compliment”?
No, it’s a _backhanded_ compliment since it’s usually code for “because you people aren’t usually considered ‘well-spoken.’”
And let’s not even get into the “can’t be considered intelligent/well-spoken if it’s AAVE” angle…
He basically said "you're so well spoken" when he said "I can tell"
@@EchoJ see, here's the thing that's always gotten me about this
I've been called well spoken and eloquent all my life (by teachers off all races, male and female) but I knew it was never because it was 'shocking for a black girl to speak so well', it was because I literally spoke with more accuracy than about 90% of my graduating class lmao
(I should also mention that I'm from rural West Virginia, so being well-spoken is already a rarity 😅)
That's why when people are like 'you shouldn't call a black person well spoken, that's problematic ' I'm like...I'm not the one associating eloquence with whiteness, you are lmao
@@sunsh1ne1024 There's DEF a difference between how people say it. I've had that 'compliment' from white people (and others) in a genuine way... and in a closeted racist way. You can usually tell based on how they say it, ie the racist way usually has an implied 'for a black person' looming in the background lol.
@@elijahclaude3413Nods. You can tell the difference between someone appreciating that you're articulate versus someone who is shocked (or pleasantly surprised) that you can string a sentence together in Standard English.
The latter is always a back-handed compliment, at best, and a thinly veiled insult at worst.
While I won’t argue against your point of White males being the biggest consumers of Hip Hop, there is more nuance to that.
You can’t really name any White person that’s prominent in the genre, artist or otherwise that hasn’t been co-signed by Black people.
I think that needs to be said.
Nah I was going through the same thing lmao, I was sitting here trying to get fully on board with his point like "Yeah for sure there's tons of white people that have advanced hip hop.....if I think hard enough" 🤣
Gatekeeping is just keeping foxes out of the hen house. It’s a necessity.
In theory yes, it just gets messy because you can’t divide the world into foxes and hens. There are people that aren’t malicious but don’t know how to act. There are people who have a lot to contribute but don’t necessarily have good intentions. There are people who make mistakes. There may be deep-rooted issues in the culture that people in the “in-group” aren’t ready to see and address, requiring some outside perspective.
All that to say, gatekeeping is definitely important for the health of the culture, but it’s also important for people to challenge the gatekeepers and let the culture evolve sometimes. Which means we can’t ever “just leave it up to the gatekeepers” or “just open the gates”.
To be clear, not disagreeing with you, just throwing some nuance on top.
@@samsprague3158sadly decades of experience have shown us that the culture is getting more corrupted so at this point we have to gate keep. Keeping the outsiders out until we figure out the direction we need to go. Hip hop has become a whole big party bcos of outsiders. We no longer use it to match and change our lives as a black people like in the past.
Can't promise safety anywhere without it
If you view What’s The Dirt through a similar lens as you’d view DJ VLAD or Adam 22, his response and behaviour makes a lot of sense. It’s not just about him being culturally “clueless”, there is a condescension and contempt with which they speak to their primarily Black audience.
When someone shows you repeatedly who they are please believe them.
amen!
Agreed. I think the emphasis on their supposed 'cluelessness' makes them sound innocent and well-intentioned.
Cultural ignorance aside, you can see the arrogance (and sometimes the intentionalmalice) with some of these guys.
They may have the knowledge of cultural insiders but they sue as heck know *exactly* what they are doing when they decide to make moves (and money) off of hip hop.
trying my best to learn from how this all went down this past week as a non-black minority and someone that's been making content in this space for 10+ years. I really just got in this as a middle schooler for the love of music and wanting to analyze and understand music lyrics the same way we look at literature/poetry but I think I'm lucky my growth has been a lot slower and I've gotten mentorship from a lot of OGs (shoutout Most Unruly and Atz show) so I could kind of make sure I'm aware of my place in the grander scheme of things. I guess coming up that quickly and getting that much recognition so early could get to someone's head a bit. definitely a learning lesson seeing this happen from the outside and I hope Matt can learn from this too
The fact that he called this man some form of stupid and idiot several times showed me what type of time he's on. And black people being way too nice to him made him feel empowered to even disrespect someone he doesn't know, an elder to the game of hip hop, and most importantly another black man. I say mist importantly because white people calling black people stupid will never not have systemic racist backings. Especially when he's being called stupid on subject matter he is a professional in.
Hey props for coming to the defense of The Company Man. He's always been a stand-up guy.
He has so much animosity towards Kendrick fans and he takes it out on Kendrick himself
The truth of the matter is that he doesn't care. Grace and benefit of the doubt is only effective when the person ha remorse. There's only remorse where there is respect. He doesn't respect us. He is and will always have access to hip hop without being required to respect us so he isn't losing anything over this, especially since like you said, his predominant audience isn't us.
I'm not even sure if I'd call Fantano a "hiphop" gatekeeper/journalist. Like, he approaches hiphop as it exists in the context of the whole artform of music, and judges albums in their entirety - which is fundamentally different from how most music consumers approach music and albums. Hell, most people don't even judge music by albums anymore, they just listen to the 2-3 songs they maybe like on sportify and irgnore the rest of what's on the album. Plenty of hiphop albums he rates low have low scores mostly because they don't hold up when compared to the entirety of music (including the jazz, R&B, etc. they make reference to) or because they have a bunch of filler songs for runtime on them. That's not how I would personally approach music, and often I don't agree with his assessments, but I do respect he treats all works (mostly) equally and with the same level of scrutiny.
Yeah to me it feels like people connect him to hiphop media mainly because both artists and fans interact more directly with critique within the genre
This is of course partially due to both his ethnicity together with the approach you described.
it's kind of bizarre seeing the album as a format retreat so significantly in prominence in so many genres as a metalhead, where it still reigns king
@@Addeand I think FD said it perfectly in that at the moment, hip hop is still the biggest genre so most people are gonna check him for that, but to Fantano its probably just one of many genres he checks out
Right. People forget that he is a music critic and listens to a wide range of genres...not just hip hop.
There are times when some of his takes are a little obtuse or may miss the mark, but I also feel that he approaches it criticism as a profession.
Yeah he and he is knowledgeable on music in general more so than the average person by a wide margin. Musics funny because everyone can be a music critic but to be a good one you actually have to invest yourself deeply into the art like fantano not just come up with your own head-cannon as to what something represents because you don’t have the knowledge to factually or tastefully back the claims up (looking at you WTD)
Diddy video will go insane
“There’s a lot more meat to that bone that people ain’t ready for” 💀
I hope he does a Donkey Kong video too
@@jcnot9712 Pause bro😭
@@xdanster21☠️
the fuck donkey kong do
demonstrates how different our cultures are. no black household would let a child grow up with the confidence to talk to a black adult like this, even through the internet.
My thoughts exactly!! The way he is effing and blinding at an elder, whytest. Ish. Eva
@@yinx02Then he privately sent him an apology addressing him as ”hey, Justin”, like they were friends.
I genuinely don’t understand this . Are you saying that no black child is ever disrespectful to a black adult? That’s not my experience as a black teacher
@@wephilips6651 Probably talking about the ones that were raised in two parent homes
@@nostalgicbliss5547 that’s also not the case.
Even if he didn’t mean any harm by the Carlton line, the fact that he couldn’t smell the stink on saying something like that to a black man immediately disqualifies him as someone capable of engaging with the matters of blackness in these songs. I know suburban white boys with better sense than that. The only way to slip like that is to not be truly in community with black people, like at all.
Plus, why wud he resort to name calling when the other person is being respectful? Thats a racist for sure hiding in hip hop commentary.
As non-black people, we need to recognize that we are always a GUEST. We are not entitled to the culture the way the black community is. It doesn't matter how long we've enjoyed aspects of the culture. This is not our house, we are just visitors and allies, and that is okay.
Im not trying to be argumentative here, but i dont really see how this mindset is sustainable for humanity. I understand why ppl feel this way, but i also dont see any logical conclusion to this mindset other than segregation of america. If black culture can proliferate thru american culture, but then nonblack americans can never be considered a part of that culture, a culture that has been a major part of american society and culture as a whole for decades, what endgoal is there to that but rifts between black and nonblack people in our country? It feels like a 'having the cake and eating it too' thing, to me, to want black culture to be a huge part of american culture while at the same time insisting nonblack ppl cant ever be a true part of it. It ignores the reality of how culture works, it ignores the reality that you cant have both without creating racial tensions. The obvious solution is then to maintain the integrity of black culture by not letting it proliferate thru american culture as a whole, but thats 1: impossible, and 2: only even kinda possible with segregation. So at some point i feel like ppl have to develop more nuanced opinions than this about it, because it cant be as simple as nonblack ppl being never more than guests to cultural elements that have been mainstream since before they were born.
I guess this all stems from a personal opinion that tying culture to ethnicity and race at all is one of humanities biggest mistakes, and inherently in conflict with a truly equal society, which is something a lot of ppl dont think.
@@leaffinite2001We’re saying you can pay for rap albums all you like. Just don’t expect rappers to listen to your opinion. Eat your food and stay out of the kitchen.
@nirvanaheights but see this is exactly whst im talking about. You want the success for black culture that can only be achieved by becoming prolific in american culture as a whole, without the consequences. Your comment as a response to my questions is just a reaffirmation of the mindset i already acknowledged and am aware of without answering any of my questions about what i see as major flaws in that mindset.
@@leaffinite2001 The connection between ethnicity, race and culture isn't a conscious decision, let alone a mistake.
Real-world circumstances connect these elements, especially in places where specific groups have been subjugated and forcibly banned from political, educational and social institutions. These cultural connections and thus seperations develop organically, along with our identities.
Culture is about lived experience, traditions, and concrete circumstances. People who do not share these experiences (like being Black in America), these traditions (like those born of chattel slavery or Jim Crow), or these concrete circumstances (navigating this society with specific traits) do not have the same right to input as those who do.
It's pretty basic. If you do not have a certain relationship to or within a culture, you cannot possibly have the same understanding or perspective on it, and thus you do not have the same ability, let alone right to contribute.
I LOVE certain elements of Indian culture and believe in many Dharmic philosophies. I'm not about to start criticising or critiquing elements of Indian culture, or Indian people, for the reasons mentioned above. I'm a guest in those houses, not a resident. I do not face the same obstacles, nor share the same experiences as the creators of that culture, and therefore cannot possibly understand as they do (no matter how popular or white-washed elements of their cultures become) .
@leaffinite2001 One main reason why I agree with the gatekeeping method is because oftentimes when people outside of the culture feel entitled to it, they will often try to change or control it. And when you live in a society with racial hierarchies, certain peoples' opinions will always be given more weight and sway. It's also important to acknowledge that culture isn't just cool music or fashion or art. Culture is an entire expression of self, community, experience, and is often therapeutic for those within it. When the rest of society already deems you as less than, culture and community are your sanctuary. So when certain people from other groups who are higher on the racial hierarchy get the power to change it, that opens a lot of dangerous doors for certain people to control and manipulate the culture, the safespace, and expression, and the truth of those within it. No, it's not sustainable, but neither is racism as a whole, but gatekeeping might give people pause to think about why the gatekeeping is in place, and especially it protects the vulnerable groups within said culture from hegemonic manipulation and control. In terms of American culture, there is no such thing. There are various indigenous american cultures, there is palm colored American culture, there is black American culture, there is latinx American culture, there are various Asian American cultures, etc. There is no one American culture because no two ethnicities and races of people ever experience America the same.
Every time I watch one of these FD videos, I get reminded how much I love TPAB 😭😭😭
I'm just waiting for FD and Lil Bill to fuse Steven Universe style to drop the ultimate 4 hour video essay on online meme politics and ineffectual online intellectualism. That's right. I ship Billnifier.
i misread this as "fusing to make a 4 hour steven universe video" which would be weird but "online meme politics and ineffectual online intellectualism" would still apply
Lil Signified? 😂
Fiq, don't do that!! The minute you ask Bill if he can not do a Diddy video because you want to, he's gonna grab Babilla and drop it!
Drop drop drop drop
I like Bill's takes on things better than F.D.'s sometimes, but I always laugh with their lil playful rivalry dropping content.
@@uzumaki3755 It kinda varies for me personally. I honestly don't know if I could put one over the other, because I appreciate their differing perspectives on similar topics. Same with Foreign, CJ The X, Andrewism, Anansi's Library, T1J, Jawn Lewis, Herby Revolus, and Jay Smooth.
I do agree about their rivalry though. I always laugh when they razz the other in their videos!
"I have a Diddy idea" "There's a lot of MEAT to that bone"
What do you mean UNC 👀
Relevant question
What is FD cooking 🤨
He means there's a lot more to the subject than can be talked about in a short video. What you're implying suggests a level of homophobia that you should do a little self reflection about
That's crazy 😂😂
@@Deondre_Clark it was a comment on the Internet, deeply sarcastic 😅 not that deep
F.D. You became the cool uncle I never had this past year. Bro keep puttin out good content man 🫡
Omg he seen the comment 😭 today will definitely be a good day
His objectivity is very refreshing. Started watching his videos last year and I've been hooked ever since!
Wonder if WTD will drag himself in here on his Whitesplaination Tour, because he was all over Curtiss Kings chat last night
If I’m not mistaken he still hasn’t apologised to Justin?
Did they eat him up?
@@liathompson2332 we sure did!
@@LovingSoul61 Perfect!
@@LovingSoul61 👏👏👏
With a Canadian accent that thick, it's amazing that we're surprised this happened.
It’s so crazy cause not even 3 months ago he said at the end of his euphoria video (I think) something like “I am a guest in hip hop and I hope this analysis and video is a way to leave my imprint on something that has welcomed me in, AS A GUEST” and has somehow completely forgotten his place and is acting like he never understood that concept in the first place. It’s sad but honestly what else could I expect from a Canadian
Canada doesnt claim him
@@MuttonErase I think that sadly we cannot pick and choose who we claim as our own. Trust me, I wish orange man wasn’t one of ours.
“What’s the dirt” is the definition of if stepping your boundaries was a person
“You’re just like Carlton” tf??? 😭
"A repackaged 'you speak so well.'" really brings it home.
as a canadian 2024 is just a long series of Ls for us lol
We dont claim him
Canadian American what’s the difference
@PretoBeleza we do nonsense yall do, but try to mask it under niceness/politeness
@@MuttonErase I’m neither I juss want to know….plz educate me about both your worlds…
I literally said on Justin Hunte's video that Matt shouldn't change anything about his video, but take the criticism and understand where it's coming from. Matt has no cultural awareness and that's why so many are saying he's a "vulture" he's not, but he definitely needs to have some people who ARE of the culture in his corner to check him and validate some of his research. But that "I can tell" burned a bridge with me, Justin Hunte, and many others who could have been in his corner to help him make a better and larger platform. I don't even like his breakdowns, but his fall off is totally on him after this one.
He had some questionable tweets a few weeks ago, and some Black UA-camrs who he had a rapport with tried to help and “guide” him then. Few weeks later he’s calling an esteemed Black journalist a “snake” and speaking to him so rudely! There’s no need to guide him when he’s been given that opportunity.
I say when someone shows you who they are just believe them
We need a study on what I can only describe as “the modern dissagreement” where criticism only drives ppl deeper into their wrongness. Happening a lot since trump and the pandemic
Way longer than that my guy. Try millenia
You ain't tell a single lie here. I am also noticing this trend.
Watch any toddler and that is the way they have arguments: this is what I have decided and the more you say, the more stubborn I will be. The internet is just one big kindergarden
Dont remember what its called but theres been studies on this since time. Alot of people take criticisms as being personal attacks. They gotta protect their ego, so they double down. Tid a tale as old as time. And its easier to change someones opinion if you show that you agree with them about some things first.
His "I can tell" has the same energy as a non black person calling someone an "Uncle Tom "
He called Kendrick uncle ruckus in his FM breakdown.
I'm finna make a Diddy video too. May the best black man win.
🤓☝🏿
Isn’t Diddy in jail for making “Diddy videos?” Be careful!😂
Ooop @@bushidobot8251 that was diabolical 😂😂
@@bushidobot8251 😂😂
@@bushidobot8251The fact that I just learned that Diddy is actually in jail is wild AF
@@bushidobot8251great fucking joke, I’m jealous lmfaooooooooo
Didn't know about the company man thing. Just started scrolling through WTD's twitter. Man said the fact that Drake bought a bunch of rappers' old chains is a new fact that he brought up that would be talked about for decades. Shit got to his head BIG TIME
Getting this level of clout poisoning off one viral video is crazy
Professor Skye is fire
That video he did on watch the party die had me mouth opened….
If you come for the King of Hip Hop commentary, you best not miss. He missed.
ayo, lesson her bey
Dude critically missed. Shot his own damn fingers off trying to release the safety.
By a continent and a ocean
I'm a venezuelan that learned English from hip hop without ever stepping foot in the usa, and I fucks with Signifier. Keep it up dog!
👀
Bien ahí, compay.
I never liked WTD's tone from jump. It's giving Overseer energy.
Same. I watched a lot of reaction videos as a result to the beef, dozens and ended up subscribing to around a handful(If I remember page names I’ll edit later). I didn’t like dudes tone or energy within minutes, didn’t finish or give him another chance. I love when my intuition speaks loud like that.
Yup
@@MmmSoulCare Antennas was up.
(Raises hand ✋🏾)Same here. I know that Justin tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that "6.16 in LA" video left me puzzled over the levels of hype that it garnered.
A few good points that mostly focused on the first two verses while he skkmmed over the core verses of the song which made the analysis uneven.
His analysis of the first 2 verses was mostly speculation supported by tabloid 'journalism' which I didn't care for, and I remember warning people back then that his name ("What's the Dirt") was a giveaway of his overall approach...
Ah, I was looking forward to this commentary. Curtiss King gave the young man a cultural correction last night that was dead on target.
Channels like yours and Lil Bill’s helped me realize that it’s better to support a black UA-camr or streamer who you agree with rather than posting the idea like it’s your own. I rudely posted something about the “slaves free” line and was checked by the people.
I should have known since I am offended by terrible mascots in Native regalia.
Same man, it's like being an ally of LGBTQIA (assuming you aren't apart of it), it's better to uplift and advocate people who naturally belong to those spaces. There can be good intentions but we can never prioritize our thoughts/voices over the people we are focused on. In the case of Hip-Hop it can be blurry because Black Culture is not Hip Hop but Hip Hop is Black Culture.
Good reminder that we can't get comfortable. We pay the Patreon tax and we sit down.
why tf did WTD have to go at The Company Man like that? he needs to apologize. I didn't care for everything in the "Family Matters" breakdown. but there was enough substance for me not to dismiss it entirely for the missteps even though I agree with Justin completely. then I saw the X/Twitter video and the way WTD disrespected him. truly disgusting. his tone reeked of contempt and disdain for the type of black person that Justin is. like when Joe Biden said anyone black not voting for him 'ain't black.' like he's the blackness judge?? foh
WTD apologized in The Company Man’s DM but The Company Man don’t seem to be feeling it. WTD needlessly violated.
@@Reevesbeatz1yeah if he’s gonna talk that shit and put the ignorant shit out there publically, he gotta own up to his mistakes publicly too. That’s the responsibility of having a voice.
When he was trying to say Kendrick really like white women and couldn’t because he’s Kendrick I turned that bs off
Best thing to come out of this is Curtiss King, Justin Hunte & FD all uploading 20+ min vids on a Friday
I’m glad you’re speaking on this. I would put Knox Hill on the positive side of hip hop commentary. He respects the culture
Yes he caught things I didn't when K. Dot dropped. There's also another British Guy but I forget his name, has respect for the culture as well. ( Not Trap Lore Ross! 😅)
I've seen a few of his "first time listening" reaction videos and he was so quick with the analysis I thought for sure he was cheating. He knows what he's talking about, seems to stay in his lane.
@@EvonneLindiwejon Denton?
Sometimes...he's a Trump supporter and that comes thru
@@BeautifulEarthJa Knox is?
The company man approached his video with the most respect and to see Matt crash out like that and curse him out was just wild.
most of the people who have beef with Fantano think you can't critically evaluate music at all. his comment sections on shorts are full of people claiming there's no such thing as bad music
That is very telling 😂
I forgot who said this somewhat recently, but this is what happens when we let anybody participate in the culture.
0:15 concerning thing to hear ngl
A Didea
If you say the n-word 37 times in front of the mirror, WTD appears
Don’t give Jordan Peele any ideas 😂
I really wish What’s dirt would have just reported and said nothing, versus giving opinions and trying to argue his opinions on social media. 😔
The only way to become successful is being on social media and the only way to stay successful is not being on social media.
@@clementinedangertrue, he should engage with social media but he ain’t move properly while engaging
“I never watched that shit”😭😂😭😂
Props for shouting out Professor Skye, dude deserve's a whole lot of love for the passion and humility that he works with
If Justin Hunte told me I said something weird, I'd be on an apology tour. The thought of clapping back at the best hip-hop journalist of a generation as a newcomer is nuts to me. Ensures I'll never, ever see any of this dude's content.
You're videos are too good man I do not care about any of this stuff and its 4 am but I cannot stop watching them just the way you perfectly intelligently describe things and relate it to modern and relevant things is unmatched. I always find myself wanting to be a part of this conversation you are having I want to talk out loud to the screen at you. Thanks you are a badass.
What's funny is that months ago, when I watched WTD's breakdown on Euphoria,I said to myself, "I trust him I can see the fear in his eyes. He knows he'sa guest in the culture." When I clicked on the Family Matters breakdown
I no longer saw that fear.
Bro got too comfortable.
I liked WTD’s videos on Drake and Kendrick but this one felt different. Then when he attacked Justin for a rather tame criticism is what pissed me off
Right, his shift in energy and tone is palatable.
WTD must’ve got threatened with a Lawsuit from the 6:16inLA-breakdown 😂 because ain’t no way someone is switching up that quick to intentionally crash out the way he did
thought the same thing. he also talked about mony issues and i believe drakes team bought his ass
I believe he was "contacted" in some form or fashion because he made efforts in his first videos to show he was unbiased, even though he was a Canadian Drizzy fan
@@nicky_nicole0806 ehhh.. unless he went out of his way to appease one side because he saw an opportunity in it would be lucrative for him
Digging in the Greats has some real good content on Hip-Hop music and history through the samples of beats and production. Just throwing it out there to check out
Totally agree about everything FD.... the one thing I will say is that no one seems to know or care about even though WTD has mentioned several times in his videos is that he is Bipolar. Like diagnosed, medicated, etc. He is probably having a manic episode. That's not an excuse at all but someone who cares about him needs to get him before he ruins himself
The era of culture vultures is over too, we finna watch the party die.
Ayyee 💯💯
He just the dirt now..yo Justin hunts response video is as astute and complete a takedown as I’ve ever seen. Truly brilliant
wtd seem like spoilt child from the way he acting
Just like drake lmaooo 😂
I’m just loving seeing the black love and community support for each other. We all connected.
it’s sad/unsurprising that this dude learned nothing from the beef he “analyzed”
The fact that he is implying TCM does not act black lets you know what he think about black people.
What’s crazy is he called it “clever”
I feel like more than gatekeeping, it's groundskeeping. Because it's not just about who you let in, it's about what you let grow
Mmmmm *finger snaps* well said lol
The soil is bad with this particular patch of dirt.
@@Ehh..... Suzie, please tell me you mean the guy and not the genre. Suzie, please.
@@nicky_nicole0806 This made me giggle.
Bro. Academics and Adam 22 are fucggin awful. I have no idea who they appeal to
That twitter shit is real. Twitter is a cesspool where helpful conversation cannot happen.
His Kendrick and Nipsey Hussle comparison was tasteless‼️
Was waiting on this vid. Haven’t finished watching yet lol but it’s insane. Dude couldn’t take criticism, tries to blame it on Kendrick fans, then starts questioning Justin’s blackness?? Nasty work
"The cookout is closed until liberation. At best, if you know somebody you cool with, they will bring you a plate."
FD, you gotta trademark that and put it on merch
As a commentator said on a Curtis King page “For The Company Man I inherit the beef”
It’s been fascinating to watch. I hope he got his coins because it is downhill from here. Bless his heart.
shout-out to Nardwuar for always being the homie.