New Zealand rugby pundits react to Ireland winning series against the All Blacks | The Breakdown
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- The Breakdown rugby show is back as Kirstie Stanway, Jeff Wilson, Isa Nacewa and Justin Marshall react to Ireland beating New Zealand in their 3 match series. #TheBreakdown
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Jesus kiwi commentators are just in a class of their own. No bs, just totally get stuck in about what happened, a clear love of the game. Looking forward to the wc from Ireland 🇮🇪
Love listening to there commentary on matchs even as an irish person. There no bias. Even when they concede they break the try down like it was there own.
The loss may not be good for NZ but it's good for rugby as a whole. We don't want one team dominating the game all the time...gets boring. Now, it's gets more interesting. Congrats Ireland! Love from Fiji 🇫🇯
Donu vina tau.
Agreed!
To be fair, I don’t think nz have dominated in quite a while. But, I do agree with you.
Well said...but boring? I know what you mean...F1 Hamilton..Wimbledon Williams)whatever ))
Dane Cole showed the hurt.
Hear hear. Absolutely spot on. I was speaking with some friends about going to a Wallabies game. I said anyone but the All Blacks because I want to see a contest. Well done Ireland!
I doubted Andy Farrell when he took the role but what a job he’s done.
Indeed and getting Paul O Connell and others on board was a clever move.
I did also .and still did for the first two years of his management .only this season have I seen a major improvement in the way Ireland play .for to long after Farrell took over he stayed with the Schmidt gameplay of bash bash rugby no offloads and no risk .he's finally letting them play with more freedom and show their talents .I think Paul O'Connell also played apart in change of game plan
Agreed
Just wait till till his son Owen becomes England manger in like 10-15 years time. Gonna be epic
@@graytoby1 won't work cause ROG is gonna build a 30 year dynasty with Ireland
An Irish person here - SO MUCH GRATITUDE to this program / clip / panel. It takes A LOT for the losing side to be so gracious and to recognise when they've been roundly beaten, but even more so for a panel of speakers who're "used to" winning. Thank you for being respectful and acknowledging Ireland's superiority in this series. Bring on the World Cup!
match. ABs need a bit chess in their game.
Let’s hope we haven’t peaked too early as per
@@countycricklewood I hear ya , but better than not peaking at all …
@@countycricklewood Yes, probably be beaten by Tonga in the last 16.
@@bobbyhanly3466not quite tonga 🤣
Well Done to Ireland, You were well disciplined, absorbed the pressure, fought for every metre gained, every point scored for every second of the game. You were better at the lineout, scrum, maul and breakdown. In short, the Lean, Mean, Green, Fighting Irish Rugby Machine was fully operational.
To be born Irish is to have come first in the rugby lottery of life and the world Cup, in the name a jasus.
@@michaelcorrigan3430 they respected the ball, played a simple basic game kids stuff so why do you need a famous NZ coaches telling you that. all of the above blew the ABs off the park a simple ingrediant a players destiny ,you can't coach that
The fairness and graciousness of the Kiwi pundits is something else. Truly humble and friendly people. Your rugby team will be back.
As an English man full respect to the Irish. They fully deserved the series win. No luck at all
Ireland were amazing. One of the greatest games I've seen in decades. Tactically they completely blew the Abs out of the water. Second half their defence saved the day. You could easily see the Abs winning that game but Irelands defence was heroic. A great game for neutral.
Sir John is a legend
Great generosity from Kiwi commentators
Ireland were well disciplined and played as a team not as individual glory seekers. Their passng amd strategic placement on the field was amazing. They were FAST
im from ireland - i missed the game - but in fairness to you we gave ye a warning in cardiff arms park a few years ago when you turned out in silver to play and loose to france ... we sang the fields of athenry to ye ... I absolutely love NZ Rugby !
Isa Nacewa is pretty good at this pundit game.
Knocks Jeff into a cocked hat
This is the best thing for rugby in general 👏, I'm gutted that the ABs lost but Ireland dominated every where on the field. This is the new standard of rugby and the ABs aren't up with the game. Well done Ireland, only very few can win in New Zealand let alone a series win 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Absolutely, this will help the ABs and is a real wake up call. I am Irish and 63 years old and never have I been so excited about international rugby. We could easily have 6 or 8 teams battling each other at the WC next year and the prospect of epic contests. This is much better than a couple of teams from the southern hemisphere dominating things.
@@davidloughlin2238 hi
The All Blacks have the players and talent but have been badly selected from an underperforming coaching staff bereft of tactical acumen
@George Jones Ireland have been well coached and have proven combinations am not detracting from their victories but All Blacks don't just lose because they are inferior players. I doubt you understand that.
@George Jones I doubt that very very much..... from an Irishman.
Well said, John Kirwan. Ireland had 5 clear try scoring chances in the first test. Execution let them down.If they had come off New Zealand may have lost. Test 1 result was an aberration. 42 points actually flattered the ABs
Agreed! Although I would add, the start of the second-half in game 3 was also very potent from the ABs.
I personally still think they're the most dangerous attack when they're clicking (no other side can pile points the rate they do), but Ireland are just a better overall side right now....
ABs defense is no good, their tactics and execution is weak for majority of the game..
Don't have much faith in them for the world cup tbh.
No not an aberration it actually happened and I watched it. Everyone in the world knows that when the All Blacks are in the zone watch out whoever they are playing cause they'll punish you and punish you very badly if you let them, so don't insult the All Blacks by saying that win was an aberration cause the whole world saw it and so did you.
@@MrWilt100 I saw anIrish team on the try line at 7-0. Ireland made an intercepted pass. ABs broke away and scored an opportunistic try. TOTALLY against the run of play. Instead of a certain 14-0 to Ireland it was now 7-7. On 4 other occasions Ireland failed to score CERTAIN tries. Fine margins viz a failure to execute meant the initiative was given to the ABs. Yes, the ABs took their chances. But everyone, including John Kirwan, could see that if Ireland sorted out those marginal issues they had the beatings of the ABs. And so it transpired. So in the context of the 3 games the first test was an aberration.
The ABs are and have been a fine team. I for one would never insult that great history.
However, thats where it stops. ABs have no devine right. They are just 15 men on a pitch carrying an oval ball. Ireland were the better team over the 3 games on this occasion. Ireland now have NO FEAR of the ABs. They and future Irish teams will always feel they can beat the ABs, which can only be a good thing for rugby.
For the above I totally stand by my original point.
@@williamwalker3837 says a lot about what farrells created that even the two losses this year for ireland v france and nz they created numerous chances in those games and were they more accurate its a winnable game
I thought the comment by Dane Coles in his interview post the 3rd Test that "we gave them a good hiding" in the 1st Test, revealed a lot about the AB's mindset. Clearly they did not give them "a good hiding" and the scoreline was not reflective of the game. Ire had 60% possession and 60% Territory in that game (75% in the 2nd half) ... they clearly underestimated the Irish and thought that they just had to show up .... let the Irish make mistakes and win ..... that is not a winning philosophy and comes down to management not hammering home the 'reality' of how good the Irish actually were .. IMHO.
Ireland fan here. Have to say this NZ rugby panel are excellent. Really insightful, balanced, experienced and knowledgeable. Mils Muliaina very good also. Will be tuning in more!
Congrats Ireland, from a Taff.. this was massive, absolutely massive.
You guys have a great chance of beating them & ending that drought this Autumn.
Wales are our good friends . You were born in Wales made of rugby
As long as you mention you're a Taff, r kid ! ( I understand the "dialectical materialism") It wo'nt come too soon for ya. Will it ?...Nationalism........Yuk !
@@iidentifyasafriedeggjellyf8007 The drought continues my friend
I've always regarded the Irish as the dark horse of rugby, there are times theyre average and at times theyre brilliant, never underestimate them.....ever. To pull off what they did is fantastic. Respect to the team.
As an irishman, the greatest compliment was listening to the NZ pundits here. We learned an awful lot from the ABs. So humble. To credit the team that beat you and look within to learn from your shortfalls. Kudos! New Zealand will be back. They have way too much talent. Thank you and hopefully we meet again at a WC Where ireland can get over their quarter final curse. The greatest irish rugby achievement by a mile. It doesn’t get any harder than a tour to NZ. We respect and salute the greatest sporting team in the world. The All Blacks. But come on you boys in green!!
Please don't tell me you live in Athlone
SA perspective. When Alistair Coetzee lost 57-0 in Albany (we still have the shakes), we collectively reached our limit and were going nowhere after his two years in charge. Tumbling down the rankings. Was simply unacceptable and we didn’t need a review, Rassie was appointed and the rest is history. Do not fall for the trap of supporting the coach when the country has collectively realised it’s simply no longer All Black rugby. Just like we got humbled … the ABs have been humbled. A red line has been crossed. What more do you need to see or know? A drubbing in SA? There was a series loss against Ireland at home, first loss to Argentina, humbled in Dublin and Paris, SA wins and draws on Nz turf, outplayed in 2019 semi, last minute one point wins, etc, etc. The writing has been on the wall for two years now. Back to basics time and cut out the rot.
Don’t know if they can , has NZ ever fired a coach. And do we want them to?
You sir are speaking sense. How would you like a job on the NZ Rugby Board? Pls?
I saw a lot of basic errors from AB players that have nothing to do with coaching. Ireland is a much better side than you give them credit for. France are ranked 1 in the world and England were on fire in the WC against the ABs. Is it the coach or is it that Northern Hemisphere Rugby has improved…
@@joelwilson4837 respectfully Joel, being from SA I have to decline. After all we’d love you to keep him 😂
Just recognise the pain and similarities and enemy’s can show respect. We hate seeing you lose to other nations. That’s a right reserved for us only. 👍🏼🇿🇦
💯💯💯💯
Ireland: you listen to me, I am the captian now
I'm an Ireland fan and its a great achievement, but I actually see this result as more of an indication of where New Zealand are. Ireland lacked ruthlessness in the six nations, and I think they had more quality and variation in years gone by. Intensity-wise though, that Ireland pack is the greatest its ever been. Its evident when Leinster demolish Ulster in the League play-offs each year... Where I noticed it most was in the France-Ireland game in this years 6 Nations. It was pulsating, brutal stuff, from both teams. And watching Conan, Ryan, Beirne, Henderson et al put their bodies on the line, was something else!
I saw it as France destroying us to be honest
@@Johnny-cf3jp Well Ireland had more ball, made more metres, and scored more tries... So I reckon it was pretty close..
NZ went on to win the championship ?
Where does that leave everyone now ??
For me it makes this win even better ..
The joy in Ireland was unreal after this win, but for anyone in NZ feeling down, know that the reason we're so high right now is because you're the best in the world. That's why beating you means so much. And we know the real test will be in France in 2023
We'll see you there, and until then, kia ora
I think the New Zealand fans are awesome and sportsmen. How gracious of them.
One hell of an achievement for a nation where rugby is not even the national sport. It's the 3rd most popular sport on the island.
Dia daoibh ó Éireann, hello to you from Ireland.
Thanks for having us. Really enjoyed the games.
You didn't do alot wrong, Irelands set pieces, ball handling and variations were exceptional in the last game, I thought we were done for at 22 - 25
Ardie Savea was a joy to watch, an absolute beast.
Twas a privilege to have the Irish team here and we are all so impressed with them. Don't be put off by all the Kiwi navel gazing, underneath that we know what an amazing team you were and really wish you success at the RWC 2023, you deserve it!
@@timhayward6833 Tx Tim, you are a true Rugby man. From a Springbok. Ireland played so so well!
@@Mariusmjvr Thanks from Dublin Ireland🇮🇪
@@timhayward6833 Thanks from Dublin Ireland🇮🇪
This is what’s great about rugby, the respect the fans have for each other
It seems absurd to say, but Sexton is massively underrated. He's the best fly half in the World by a distance; it's not just his kicking skills or his tackling, it's the leadership and the brain.
Best 37 year old outhalf in history. Doesn't get enough respect for performing at his age at such a level.
His defence was immense.
He is one of the greatest players of all time
Can't wait for the Irish and French to take on the Boks end of year. Then we will see who's the best....
His wrap around is the best on the planet.. no defence can stand it
From an English perspective. Ireland were superb; the combination of set processes and play-as-you-see was exceptional. Core skills were at a very high level. Plus whilst having players, mainly/mostly from 2 teams (Leinster/Munster) should be much easier than from a group of 10 or so - although I have to admit that Scotland and France disprove this.
So, for me, it has to be a combination of very good players (although not necessarily the best in the world at each position) and excellent coaching (at both provincial and national level). Good on Ireland - now go on and repeat this in France next year.
I look forward to 2024. Farrell managing Ireland and Roman O Gara managing England.
Thanks from Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪
Lovely response…. But Ronan coaching England not so sure 😂🇮🇪
There are two things that have changed monumentally.
1. Ireland winning anything in New Zealand except lovely holiday pics
2. New Zealand media have become very gracious and open minded. Good losers and even better winners.
Seeing Mils Muliaina on the pitch feeling happy for Irish Rugby - despite knowing the obvious pain of his ABs losing (he gave long, loyal and great service to that AB jersey).
I don’t know what the future will
bring for Irish rugby but my reverence and respect for New Zealand the country, and its rugby commentators has immeasurably increased.
Am really proud to be Irish rugby fan but privileged to know so many decent Kiwis
It just shows the level of expectations of the All Blacks. They lose to the 2 best teams in the world Ireland and France and its a disaster. To other nations thats just the price of doing business. In NZ its unacceptable. Losing to Ireland as a fan doesn't worry me so much as they are a fantastic team. What worries me is the team's collective lack of progress over two years which has eaten into the ABs confidence and their mojo. Their game plan doesn't work and needs to be deconstructed and started again. Should of happened last year, as a result probably too late now to embed before the RWC 2023
It was the clueless nature of the defeats. They were woefull.
It's not the loses that rankle, it's the manner in which they happened. If the ABs had played a hard intelligent game, but lost hard fought battles to this great Irish side, I think we'd see far less panic and distress right now.
@@eastchchkea6475 For me it's the lack of progress shown over the last 2 years. If we lost but showed that we were trying to develop a different game plan then well and good but the team looked aimless.
Best 2 sides in the world???
South Africa hold my beer!!!
We love that Ireland won, they are playing so well. It's an ongoing saga with the coach. He wasn't picked on form, but who he knew - a stubborn bunch of dinosaurs from the past - it's evident as the standards have gone backward and not forward - innovation, technique everything. Of course, the world is catching up but we not even moving at the same pace anymore.
Honestly, what a great piece of content that was. Northern hemispheres media could learn a thing or two from this type of commentary.
North is stuck in the old boys mindset whereas kiwis understand the necessity of looking in the mirror and proving yourself as a generation. They don’t have the luxury of abusing their privileges.
Sad reality for New Zealand is that the team is just a top international team instead of being one of the best teams ever. You've had 8-10 years of 5-6 players who were probably in the top 5 all time in their positions . They all aged together and have been replaced with decent players but, one of the issues is all the top teams have decent players. The other issue is that everyone else has caught up with NZ level of fitness. They no longer blow decent teams away in the last 15 mins of games.
forgot to mention paul o connells input in the line out and pack...isa ya need to remember that
France and Ireland are the teams to beat for the world cup. Autumn internationals and 6 nations will tell a lot. Let's hope Ireland haven't peaked too early as we have done many times previous in the year leading up to the world cup
You can not right of the Springboks, they can put any team under pressure and physically dominate.
@@thesorrow88 i was thinking that, im predicting either fiji or japan make it out of their group stage
South Africa will be playing Ireland in the Pool Game. Loser will play NZ or France in the QF
@@granvilleheights3411 Winner of South Africa v Ireland will also play NZ or France! :-)
Be positive
Well done to Ireland great team and passion to win. AB's will be back for sure! So much class.
It's only a game boys one love ❤ congrats Ireland 🇮🇪
Great comment
Greatest comment...one love....
SOUTH AUCKLAND PAIN I'm a Kiwi who lives in Australia and that's what I said to an Irish man I met at a kebab shop after the game on Saturday night!
I'd mentioned to the man who served me that the All Blacks lost, then the Irish one next to me (his strong accent gave it away) stated that it was GOOD and GOOD for rugby too. Lol.
He wasn't happy about what I'd said either, which was understandable, so I quickly replied that it's what we say when we lose.
I kindly congratulated his team AGAIN and was relieved to see the smile back on his face before grabbing my kebab, then leaving as fast as I could without running. 😁
Where does Korean get his dress sense from?
Kudos to the panel and presenter. I am Irish and you have done your selves proud. It's not easy to be unbiased after your country has been beaten. Gracious in defeat isn't easy. Your professional analysis was spot on. Your team looks disjointed at the moment. And the All Blacks didn't seem to have a plan. But I am a realist and I have no doubt that you will bounce back with a vengeance. I was extatic when we won as were all Irish rugby fans. Our team is outstanding. You took it on the chin unlike some other nations that shall remain nameless. That's sportsmanship at its finest. Just found your channel today and I'm subscribed. Unbiased analysis is very difficult to find in any sport. Thank you New Zealand and thanks to the presenter and panel.
I absolutely love the NZ attitude to losing, let's get in the studio and meticulously dissect the game without worrying about offending a player or coach. Super debate that touches a lot of areas.
How incredible would it be if Ireland won the world cup, incredible
I'll be on the drink 🍻 for a year 🤣☘️💚
World cups need strength in depth
@George Jones I'm a Kiwi living in Australia so I can't say yes to that hahaha
We always choke in the RWC
@@aightm8 hopefully not this time as hyper aware of that risk
Since the Irish won the 2009 Grand slam they have slowly but surely getting better and better despite a few ups and downs but finally we've stopped dropping the ball when in or near the opposition goal line which is a big reason for this victory because when the All Blacks got back to 1 point normally we'd give away the match but this time when we got the player back on we went up the other side and got a try and 3 more points to win the game and IMHO the All Blacks looked a bit lost for the first time in a Long long time.
This is the truth - its been a long build with solid foundations - and the Irish are not going away any time soon!
Well done Ireland 👍, a great victory throughly deserved, we got outgunned, 👏
Thanks from Dublin Ireland🇮🇪 Dane Coles that interview at the end a bit of a ponce sorry for saying it
Good to see Nacewa again. Scored a fantastic 50 yard try in Heineken Cup game for Leinster against I think Leicester when they were at the top of their game. Also once played with a broken arm until he was taken off! 😁
I love listening to new Zealanders telling it as it is, lovely honest people and humble in defeat unlike some other southern hemisphere nations...
Yep south africa
Now that Ireland is fast becoming favourite for the WC, it will be interesting to see how they respond to having a target on their back, just as the ABs have almost always had. Other teams tend to play their best against the favourites as they feel they have nothing to lose, so how they deal with matches like that could be key. They certainly have the potential.
I'd make France favourites over Ireland. Guess we'll see where we're at the 6 nations next year
Ireland have went into the last few world cups strong. Going into the last one World's no.1. They always find it difficult in a world cup. It will be interesting to see.
@@tryingmybest9819 Same, as much hope as I have for Ireland, I trust France, New Zealand or South Africa ahead of us. This is mostly due to how the new Irish team are only just learning how to deal with nerves against big teams.
@@putinsgaytwin4272 having seen them beat the all blacks and comprehensively win the 6N, I would now put Ireland ahead. Could go either way though in a one of world cup game
In the URC Irish teams are so good, Leinster are a fantastic team and Ulster are tough as hell. Connacht can beat anyone on the day and same with Munster. Irish rugby is very strong.
Yet the final of the URC was between 2 SA sides. So obviously not THAT good.
@@fazertace6837 Do you watch rugby or just a troll?
@@fazertace6837 They beat Nz rather pretend you know something about rugby somewhere else.
Every rugby person in Ireland admires Isa Nacewa (Munsterman)
Very gracious analysis. I think the ABs will seriously improve after this though, this will be a major shock to the system for them
my second favourite team after Ireland have lost their way a bit. I really hope they sort the current short comings.They have the talent.
@@asktoseducemiss434 don't shed any tears for them, they're going to be fine as always and will probably win the W. C.
NZ looked rudderless. They had no format or plan for what they wanted to do. They scored tries off individual brilliance.
And they not brilliant shitty rugby
Dont forget getting best/fastest/shortest forward to jump, players playing out of position, No set piece and not utilising combinations of players.
How’d it come to this? Complacency, no foresight, shit coaching...
Ireland defense was ridiculous. They slowed the game down to their pace and had the All blacks running around like headless chickens. They destroyed the all blacks. Like you said our individual brilliance made the game closer than it really was
Nah, they were just beaten by the better team.
Can’t believe the lady with the broad rimmed glasses called an Irish series win before the tour started, 👏👏👏👏 well done ma’am.
Well done to NZ and the AB fans who hosted a great series. As an Irish fan, I recognize that the ABs have been, and will always be, a benchmark for rugby. We, and other rugby nations have gone to school on the ABs and have internalized some lessons. I have no doubt NZ in turn will learn from this, and come back strongly, in the RWC and beyond.
Unbelievable when you consider the small population and the fact that Rugby is the fourth or fifth most popular sport in Ireland.
Rugby isn't the only sport NZ plays. NZ has a similar population as southern Ireland and won 20 medals at the Summer Olympics and 3 medals at the Winter Olympics. Rugby League is also popular which NZ are currently ranked number 1. NZ also won the Americas Cup and have some of the best MMA fighters in the world.
I actually think Ireland can get even better ..
Sexton will not be around for much longer....not at 38 !!!
They have been building for since before Farrel took over. Schmidt built a culture and farrel developed the game.
@@7eVen.si62 it's almost like he's retiring after the world cup
@@rhyswilliams4893 I agree completely accept I'd add that schmidt built a philosophy of keep the ball to starve the opposition of opportunity. That has become the platform that Mike Catt (attack coach) to launch from.
Farrell has got everyone to buy in and enjoy it.
@@7eVen.si62 He’s retiring after the World Cup, it’s his swan song, he’s said it.
I love the drama from the end of the world in NZ...
These guys are so humble
Confidence and belief are pillar stones for victory and it's not just the players but everybody around them and for that matter even the nation.
Well done guys - A fair assessment and positive outcome for both you and Ireland.
Looked in from DUBLIN . Well done panel very clear , honest , concise assessment . Thank you guys really enjoyed it . It did take a really good team to get this performance out of this very good IRISH TEAM .
Got to love the Kiwi's. Honesty with a no BS perspective. Humble in defeat and immediately looking to fix things. Great rugby people and great punditry
That tends to be the New Zealand way
New Zealand has a hyper talented pool of players. So they are heavily skill reliant team. Unlike northern hemisphere teams which are heavily coached and play like it's a chess match. ABs need a bit chess in their game.
I think you're saying 15-player rugby union is a team game? And that ABs need to play more like a team, rather than a bunch of individuals. Agreed.
@@silversolver7809 That's not how I read it. New Zealand almost lack cynicism in their play and have always been the most watchable team in rugby. I don't know if I'd want a heavily coached AB team at the expense of their flair and watchability. A team like Fiji could use some more coaching to harness their talent, but ABs have been doing fine.
@@rscoops3986 I know there's quite an audience for "attacking flair", and I always advise such people to watch either League or especially Sevens-both smorgasbords of all the attacking flair you can eat!
Union is a different game in that it requires a wider range of skills, and players specialized in subsets of them. This results in an opportunity to coalesce those different elements into a cohesive whole. That's neither good nor bad, it's just different. It looks like teams are getting better at this overall, which makes Union a more interesting complex game, with far more room for intelligence as well as brilliance.
I take it you're new to the sport? NZ have mostly been one of the most cynical teams since I started watching ~50 years ago, with significant help from referees overawed by their aura. Probably the most cynical era was the McCaw one, he was a master of playing past the edge and manipulating refs. But the age of 'shamateurism' was pretty low too.
Anyway, to each their own. Check out League and Sevens, you should enjoy :)
@@silversolver7809 Apologies, but my time won't be well spent reading all that. Not every convo has to be an attempt at one-upmanship - just chill out a bit. Anyway, everything I need to know is contained in the last couple of lines :)
@@rscoops3986 Cool, that's what I figured-enjoy :)
Having had the pleasure of being to New Zealand and meeting lots of Kiwis as far as I’m concerned they are the nicest people you could possibly meet. Having said that I find their attitude to rugby slightly unhealthy. They assume they should have a god given right to win every game. The fact that it has been said that losing to Ireland is “unacceptable” just shows to me a lack of respect for the opposition and a high level of arrogance that “we NZ should win because we are the best”. They are still a good team and will be back.
I see what you're saying about us thinking we should win , but in my eyes that isn't arrogance , it's expectation based on experience .
I believe that we have held a certain national pride , a thought that we , little old us , from the bottom of the world were better than anyone else at SOMETHING !
What is happening at the moment is a lot of kiwi's haven't yet grasped the fact that there is a new reality , the rugby world has changed and we are struggling to adjust .
It''s a little hard for some kiwi's to swallow , the more rabid among us tend to equate All Black success to life or death .
Congratulations to Ireland , you deserve all the accolades , the best team in the world right now bar none and have worked bloody hard for the success you are enjoying .
You're #1 and , like us ,you're just a little place . Size does't count , just belief .
I look forward to the world cup , it will be the most unpredictable tournament of recent times .
@@tonyrata4796 Hi Tony what an absolutely great reply. I think you’ve nailed it on the head. I think AB’s will bounce back. You don’t suddenly become a poor team overnight. I used to love watching Super Rugby to see all your teams play and see how much talent you’ve got in NZ but we Sky have stopped showing it unfortunately. I think maybe some of the AB selection is wrong. Anyway as an Englishman beating the AB’s for me was the pinnacle! You certainly have a lot of national pride and good on you. That’s something that seems to be something we’ve lost in England. Anyway I’ll stop waffling on. PS your Sauvignon Blanc is the best in the world!😁
@@peterscaife362 Hi Peter , thanks for your kind words .
Above all I believe we all win when the game is strong and in my eyes it's never been stronger .
I'll admit to you I bloody hate losing , but only a fool learns nothing from defeat .We'll just have to take the lumps and , as they say in your country , Sally Forth !!!
All the so called super powers of rugby are on notice , there is no such thing as a free lunch anymore . I predict many more interesting results in the coming days and months and that's so exciting , I can't wait .
Oh , and by the way , the price of a decent bottle of plonk includes your 1st born and 2 sheep because we keep sending it to you lot . ( Another thing to blame everyone else for !! We're good at that !!! )
Cheers , my friend .
@@tonyrata4796 👍 Keep sending the Sauvignon Tony my wife needs her daily fix! Cheers to you.
I love the NZ honesty and no Bs straight up talking and making rugby the best game in the World Brian in Ireland 💚
Well done Ireland ☘️ Good job!
Ireland maintain this standard and no one touches them at RWC and I include France in that. ABs don’t have that aura with Northern Hemisphere sides anymore. Ireland easily the best side in the world. England so missed out when they let Farrell go.
In a way yes but coaching England is a different kettle of fish. No central contracting makes a huge difference. With Ireland he will have some control over players fitness and playtime but England coaches do not.
As an Irish fan, I think we're still vulnerable to being bullied on the day. France, the Saffa's and even England can do a number on us. Fixable though but we're beatable.
England has 10 times the professional clubs as Ireland with the richest union and most pro players in the world! It’s not a level playing field.
@@MiniMatthew 100% agree. Irelands set up feeds the national side. England love their clubs as I do. But with Englands player depth they have to be doing better
I was worried when Joe left, but Farrell is doing great. England must be looking to poach him.
The biggest question is was it a good idea to exclude South Africa & Argentina from super rugby. New Zealand franchise teams have been playing alone thinking they are super stars until international rugby comes and they are seeing stars
I think this a lot. My mate lived in NZ for years and he rants and raves about Super Rugby, but I think the South Africans will massively improve the quality of the Provinces and competition across the Heineken Cup. I was against it at the start but the standard of rugby has been pretty good.
Nup the Super Rugby comp is a brilliant competition. Remember South African Rugby chose to leave the SRC they were never kicked out, SAR and been talking about leaving for years and after the Pandemic abated in SA the teams went North.
Aust and NZ both wanted the SAR teams to stay but understood why SAR headed to the Northern hemisphere. The ABs have coaching issue not a player issue, Remember your own issue in SAR when your coach Coetzee was replaced by Rassie in 2018 and turned the whole team around 2019 to win the RWC.
NZ have the same issue today and we have a solution if the NZRU are brave enough and his name is -Razor- Scott Robinson
Our current woes have nothing to do with the Super Rugby comp.
Super rugby is not the same with out the SA teams, still good but definitely weaker than it's use to be.
So, is that an insult to the Australian sides?
The kiwi sides would rather beat up on weaker tiered nations (Tonga, USA, Fiji), but then happily turn around and blame the exit of South Africa.
NZ rugby assisted with kicking out the Sunwolves and Jaguars because they weren't 'competitive' enough for their likening.
Arrogance and disgusting discipline has been their downfall
@@elscruffomcscruffy8371 What??? Where do you get your source from?
The Pandemic happened no one was travelling, the Sunwolves got invited to play in the Aust domestic comp but couldn't travel so the team folded.
As for South Africa Rugby they had been signalling for along time they were going North.
what gracious hosts MAB are thanks for letting the game flow
The commentators are very gracious in their praise for Ireland.
French rugby fan here. My 2 cents: not to take away anything from Farrrell (who is a great coach), a big factor to how good Ireland are is that their are basically playing with the same players (bar a couple of Munster / Conacht players) and style as Leinster. Meaning these guys play together, and a similar system all year long and find each other with closed eyes. They were fantastic on the night. The AB's, on the other hand, look very disjointed and what really shocked me is how inaccurate they were. Now this is a team that still has class players all around, and one really has to question the coaching team if they can't extract a better performance from this group.
Fact remains, Ireland played the Rugby and won! I am worried about you Frenchies, you have such a good team now! Bring on the WC! Springbok supporter
JK we’re not talking about getting rid of an AB coach for the first time. In my experience of watching rugby there has been numerous occasions when the public have wanted the coach sacked. Laurie Mains, John Mitchell, John Hart and others, I remember it.
I remember the announcement on TV news that Graham Henry was the new coach after Mitchell. The news played a compilation of Graham Henry footage to the song "Here Comes the Sun". But, every time the line "Here comes the sun du dud du du, here comes the sun and I say, it's alright" they'd show Henry on a loop entering a room through a door for a news conference. It was immediately uplifting. I remember being so glad thinking something special was about to happen (and it did). Who will be the next person to walk through the door and bring the sun? Razor? McDonald? Schmidt?, Smith? Or, will the NZRU keep what we got and we can look forward to more "Rainy days and Monday's always getting us down?"
History will tell you NZRU don’t sack a coach unless it’s straight after being unsuccessful at a World Cup! They will keep Fos which goes against what is plainly stupid after what we have seen from him.
Let's not forget buck Shelford and this guy knows how to breakdance
I go as far back as Declan Kidney for building the foundations of this success. Joe then built an extra layer of structure that took Irish rugby to another level. Farrell has then managed to take Ireland on and improve that structure in attack. A little ironic for a defensive coach at his core.
All goes back to the work done at grass roots at the clubs. The IRFU have done some fantastic work.
Just look at the rugby clubs and their facilities around the country, I don't even recognize mine from when I played 25 years ago.
There are over double the number of registered players that there was when we won the 2009 grand slam.
Have been very impressed by the kiwis humble response to the loss. We could all learn a lot from that (England supporter). But let’s be honest, the one that counts is always the World Cup, and Sexton was the first to admit that. Ireland have been very very good recently, and it’s a shame we lost Farrell as a coach. He’s done an amazing job
It's not solely Farrell, the Irish team is hungry, looking for a trophy/title! Sexton wants to go out in style! Plus the fact Ireland has alot of talent coming on board to the senior team! These guys also play against each other regularly too in the URC! Alot of the Leinster team plays for Ireland!
Amazing result by Ireland. This is setting up to be an amazing WC next year
when the country has collectively realised it’s simply no longer All Black rugby. Just like we got humbled … the ABs have been humbled. A red line has been crossed. What mo
Slightly more than ‘Pundits’. Former greats who are invested in the Jersey that see Historically and statistically the worst team in nz history running around pretending to be all blacks.
Issa is our native language name for Jesus - that lad at fullback was absolute class !! cap off to him !
As an Irish fan, I'm still worried. A Japan or Argentina would still worry me, in the World Cup
Isa : "Even the forwards know what to do" 😂😂😂
French fan here, as much as I love and fear the ABs, their current attacking shape and strategy is average at best. But played by some of the most talented individuals in the world. It’s not good enough anymore. I thought like Barrett bros were so so, Cane does not bring enough to the captaincy, Jordan is fantastic but a liability in defence, Ioane is a coin flip going into any game, front row is not dominant and 2nd row with huge experience but lacking some modern abilities IMO. Congrats to Ireland, phenomenal tour. What I fear for them is Johnny’s age. Can he play like that on a 7 games World Cup ? Carbury is nowhere near is talent and game management. France beat Ireland the last 3 encounters which sounds amazing at the moment . WC is wide open indeed
French cheating with those really big fat guys, 4 of them
Cane should never have been captain
Thank u Fiji for ur comments. As an Irish fan, I totally agree with u. Nice for little countries to show the big boys all is not easy
Isa we missed you at the Heinken Cup final last minute. From a leinster and Isa fan.
To see an AB team start their attacking options with up and unders it seemed very naive to me. Yes playing rugby in opposition 22 makes sense, but not knowing that very few other teams that have beaten Ireland employing this tactic, because of a very capable back three under high ball, well It smacks of poor tactical leadership. Possible Lowe is the weakest link but if he gets it, he punishes severely with the boot. If they felt they had to kick, grubbers behind the rush defence was the way to go. They didn’t try it once. They needed open play and did punish Ireland when they got it, but rarely created it rather latched onto Ireland few defensive mistakes and yellow card. Ireland are weaker out wide and in the scrum although both area’s are improving. The fact that the centre pairing could never really get it to the wing is a problem. You have such weapons on the wings, yet there was not even one short kick behind to the wings to spread the Irish D. The fact that Ireland, a weaker scrummaging team than France, England and SA bossed the ABs pack should be the most worrying aspect of all. I fear the Safa’s are going to pummel you into submission here so possession will likely be less than Ireland afforded. For me, my second favourite team after Ireland have lost their way a bit. I really hope they sort the current short comings.They have the talent.
Completely agree with you. As an ireland fan I know we are not one of the most physically dominant packs in the world yet we looked like physical powerhouses once we sorted out some of the scrum issues from the first test. The France and SA packs may tear the Abs pack apart.
The Irish are world class team.
They deserve to win.
We need to make changes quickly.
Foster is not cutting it.
Razor Robertson and Leon MacDonald would work well together.
In great all black teams of the past we have had the edge in the loose forwards.
We need great trio of loose forwards.
Sam Cane is not up to standard anymore.
Savea is world class.Dalton Papalii should be starting.
We need props that don’t give away stupid penalties.
We don’t need players that tackle peoples heads.
These players are liability.
We need a team that wins line out ball.
We need a team that wins scrum ball.
Incredible result for us it's the most unbelievable result for Irish Rugby. 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🏉🏉🏉🏉🏆🏆🏆🏆🥇🥇🥇🥇
Love how fair the NZ commentators always are.
A bit disrespectful from the ABs here - they lost because Ireland suffocated them and completely outplayed them. There's a reason they're now ranked #1 in the world.
“Even the forwards know what to do.” Only a panel of backs would have the nerve to make such an asinine statement. The forwards create the opportunities that the backs can exploit, provided they don’t knock it on and have to rely on the forwards to get the ball back. Ireland played as a cohesive unit. The ABs did not. The NZ cannibalism is the most disconcerting aspect of this post-series analysis. They simply cannot comprehend what has happened, but it will be good for All Black rugby in the long run. Shrink a few heads, like Marshall’s. Great news for Irish rugby, without a doubt. Good for the game globally, too. The next World Cup is wide open.
Ireland’s Rugby intellect… through the roof! well done Ireland 🇮🇪
All Blacks … will rise again. Drawing inspiration from “The Dark Knight”
There's 32 countries in Ireland not only Dublin! Munster boys need a mention Beirne O Mahoney outstanding
10 good teams in world rugby. Rugby wins. Best it’s ever been
I wonder how much has the fact that NZ sides don't get to play South African sides (where the rugby styles are much more similar than that of the Northern Hempisphere teams) in Super Rugby has to do with their current form..
It’s huge. Australia play too similar a style to us and we don’t get to experience diversity of styles. We don’t come up against forward dominant rugby. The closest thing we have is the Brumbies style of play.
A big factor.
Yip … Aus and NZ = Ruck and run ruggers and to catch a big pack only a couple of times a year is going to be (or has been) tough
HUGE BUT JA. THEY WANTED TO BOOTED SA OUT TO PUNISH SA FOR WINNING THE WC. SO LET NZ PLAY PIMP POMP WITH AUS
And they said we are playing in a weak tournament and gave Stormers no credit. South Africa only lost to Wales because of a 2nd team. We take a while to get going we only will get better the more we play and old SA thing AL our teams are slow starters.
I have a video of me putting my arm around Peter O'Mahony as we jump and sing ole in downtown Wellington. He looked so uncomfortable and harassed so sorry Peter, mate... but I was not going to miss my chance to hug you as we danced and sung ole.
Don't stress Guys. I'm a South African and am passionate about the Bok's. Every team goes through a phase from time to time where they suffer a few defeats , and The All Blacks are not invincible. So are the Springboks. It's an opportunity to offer new young talent a spot in their National team and and go through a rebuilding phase. The All Blacks have been the most successful team in history and their glory days will return.. as much as I would hate to admit it as a Bok supporter. Besides from winning what we all want to see is good rugby, and you will deliver. Patience Guys.. I dread the next time our Boys get a big Carrot.. ~ Jero ~ Durban
It’s the same thing that people have been saying about the ABs in the whole Ian Foster era. His system is static, it doesn’t move and flow the way the best teams in the world do (Ireland, France, SA). It’s a system that relies on the talent elevating the system instead of the system elevating the talent. Sad to see, as an American, because the ABs are immensely talented and it feels wasted by playing a system that would’ve been successful 5 years ago.
Agree and very well put. Been patient but now believe the coach IS the problem
Spot on
I like this comment!
Foster’s Super Rugby record as a head coach should’ve said everything…
Jacob Shafer I totally agree with others that this is well put and Ian Foster wasn't there for the first game, which says a lot as well!
I do have empathy for him as person, yet my feelings are stronger for the players and fellow supporters, as the All Blacks are beyond a rugby team to most New Zealanders.
I'd be offering to leave if I was Ian Foster, but I'm obviously not him and he might not be allowed to do so anyway. 🖤
'Even the forwards know what to do.'
Isa was a hell of a player, might be an even better pundit.
In the past if we scored early v NZ I'd think "I hope we havnt made them mad" we could have a lead and I wonder how would we lose it.... but I knew once we won a game wh would be able to do it again. Now if we play better than the ABs we will win in the past the ABs would win no matter how well or poorly they played.
Faz please come back to England!!!
Massive well done to both teams for advertising sport in such a way but most of all, well done Irish………what a result
Unfortunately these problems can only start to find a solution after changing the headcoach. It is very clear that since he started with the All Blacks they became an almost ordinary team (with extraordinary individual talents).
Like Barney and friends
Great respect to these guys for their honesty from an Irish man
Kieran Kelly
Irish Rugby and indeed that in the northern hemisphere has been transformed over the last 25 years. Improving and evolving every single season . A profound sense of positive attitude “If the all blacks can do it , so can we”.
New Zealand were the target benchmark for northern hemisphere sides and they are now competitive against the Southern Hemisphere through hard work, dedication, great planning and execution. Super for the fans . No more 50 point hidings from ABs and that was in the second half of a game .
I’m hoping that Wales 🏴 can look to emulate Ireland 🇮🇪 with the regions and the international side they have been building on the success of their regions for years and I think with South African sides playing in the URC at a higher tempo then that can only be beneficial to Northern Hemisphere Rugby as a Whole
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No we are not reacting to the third test. The AB did not measure up in any of the tests. They are relying on lucky breaks and the individual skills of a few players. To consistently beat a great team you have to have good structures. The AB have not had that for years now. They are looking second rate against good teams. Just remember how the Crusaders dismantled the Blues. Obviously the AB coaching group learned nothing from that game. Do they actually understand what they are up against? Relying on individual skills will no longer win tough games.
Or relying on a good 15 minutes to win an 80 min test match
Maybe those days are coming to an end ..or maybe over ..
Rugby is changing ..
if ya think its bad now .. wait till you realise that rugby is behind soccer , gaelic football and hurling in terms of importance to our sporting heroes .. but total respect to the kiwis for being such a solid outfit for years ...
Excellent levels of analysis.