One of the biggest problems with Haslabs projects is that because the community is so big, you will never be able to please everybody, regardless of what route you take Let’s use Marvel Legends for example. With the Engine of Vengeance campaign, Hasbro offered 3 new figures with unique sculpts as tiers, but people complained about the $350 price l and about Hasbro essentially locking away characters behind a paywall So when it came time for the Giant-Man Haslab, Hasbro responded to the criticism by addressing every complaint. The price was reduced to $200 and the tiers were items design to work exclusive with the Haslab in order to avoid locking away new characters. And guess what? People STILL complained because they felt that the tiers should be better As customers, we should always want the best value for our money, I totally get it. But man, some people are impossible to please. I definitely don’t envy the position that the Hasbro team are in
I think the EOV issues were less about the figures (mostly) and more of their dubious connection to Ghost Rider. There weren't a lot of complaints about the figures chosen with Galactus. The Doom head was a different thing entirely.
The main reason EOV failed was because there weren't enough people into that particular version of Ghost Rider, and that car looked generic, and didn't even look like a Charger. Hasbro further botched the campaign with lack luster tier offers, but the main reason it failed was it just wasn't interesting enough to many collectors, who didn't see the value in it.
*+++We should all **_*PETITION_*__Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++* 🤔I Don't Know *_ANYONE_* (who backed the *Cantina* ) Hosting/Streaming, Commenting or Superc-hatting who said: "Meh, I Don't *_Want/Need_* The *Wolfman* (Arliel Schous)" And so, obv. *_WHY_* don't *_Hasbro_* just do a *_SEPARATE_*_ HasLab_ Fund Campaign for The Wolfman⁉ ~ Since it didn't quite Hit * (+++We should all *_PETITION_*__Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++ )*
exactly why giant man should have been the only thing sold with 0 tiers. Just that one figure for about $180 bucks and that's it. It's the extras that make Hasbro so dirty. They muddy the water to try and drum up the cost. They throw in stupid effects parts and too many other bits to inflate the cost of a simple item that can be sold for far less. It's such a sneaky nasty tactic. They will please everyone when they stop being pricks. We can see right through their BS. They do it to themselves and karma eats them up and spits them out.
@@josray2557 Interesting, I don't agree with this take at all. I think the Marvel Legends team was very honest and ethical with the Giant-Man Haslab campaign. They addressed all of our complaints from the Engine of Vengeance campaign and gave us a great value
I appreciate that Hasbro has been trying things out with the Haslab. People will always be disappointed if they feel like they missed out on a tier, if the next tier is unknown, or if there are no tiers. My preference would be to include all the tiers at the start and how many backers needed to fund. The stretch goals can be a price reduction that everyone shares. An example would be let's say a $300 giant man with two faceplaces and 2 figures (ant man and wasp 2 pack). Funded at 8000 backers, with a $25 reduction at each tier of 11,000 14,000, and 17,000. As the price reduces, it would grab more interest. Nothing advertised would be missed. The problem with add ons is they would also need a minimum number of backers, because making 500 zombie face plates wouldn't make sense, so some add ons would fail to fund, or be expensive to compensate.
I wish they did the Haslabs a la carte. Have multiple options to select and they could determine how many we get based on the total units backed. Maybe unlock more options for a higher total to give people incentive to back it early. Could even have a deluxe selection available if all the tiers are met and the total keeps going up.
Considering that the price of all tiers are already baked into the price of the Haslab, they need to just come up with a total amount of units sold, and just go with that. If we pay for a Haslab that doesn't hit all of the tiers, you're paying for an incomplete item that they are still getting their money for. That, or they need to do a true Kickstarter style of pricing.
Yep! Just do a minimum. I felt bad for the VTC collectors who backed the cantina and couldn't get all the figures that was on the table because not enough folks backed it.
Im glad the backers that wanted it are getting it. I personally didn't back it, Im still waiting on 2 Giant Man, and my Ghost that I backed. I cant run it up to 4 Haslabs that Im waiting on. Plus I think the price tag was a bit high for my taste honestly.
Yeah, it's not so much a thing of if the figures are going to be terrible, but it really is more a matter of principle in delivering what customers paid for a year ago before setting up the next one which ends before customers get the first one.
I envy how happy the customers who funded Giantman are going to be. He is indeed an awesome piece of work! I was tempted somewhat just by the quality, but he's just too big for my aesthetics. I'm a dinosaur who grew up on the earliest Marvel Comics and he was almost ALWAYS shown no larger than 12' tall, which would equal a 12" figure. The Haslab Giantman just looks way to tall to me, the same way the 6" version with the Wasp looks ridiculously small. I'm hoping they release a 12" version, which would be awesome for everyone who got the 24" Haslab and the 6" figure. Jeffrey, I forget - did you order a Giantman? If so, I can't wait to see your review when it's released. That's gonna be exciting!
Oddly, the price wasn't an issue for me (aside from my wallet biting me on the ass for even thinking about it!). My issue was the size - he's just too big. But if it had been a $250 Eternity, Watcher, Stranger, Mangog, Living Monolith...my wallet can bite me all it wants - I'm ordering one! LOL! I literally would not even care about the tiers.
@@Vintage-Bob I think the size is honestly what sold me on it. That and the fact that Giant Man is one of my favorite Avengers. 3 is the limit for Haslabs I'll back at one time without having received anything. Unless the product is absolutely something or someone I must add to my collection. If he was 12 inch I'd be okay with that, but with the current size he really earned the Giant in his name. 😁
@@emmanuelsilvera8032 Yeah, I gotta give it to them, they really hit it out of the ballpark with Giantman. If I wanted a figure of him that size, I'd definitely have ordered him even without the tiers. I hope they do release a 12" Giantman. Imagine how cool it would look to line up a 6", 12" and 24" Giantman (for those who got the Haslab I mean)!
@@LylesFigureFiles exactly! I believe this is the only Haslab that offered two different variants with two different price tags. Honestly, there was zero reason to back the more expensive one if both came with the exact same figures plus It didn’t help reach the third tier at all.
My stance has always been: the base offering SHOULD be enough to entice you to back the project. The stretch goals should not influence your decision to back a project, which is the mistake most people make; the mentality is usually "Ok, cool (in reference to the main project) but what else am I getting?" I would make every HasLab 60 days. The first 30 you have no mention of the stretch goals. Then after 30 days they reveal the stretch goals. However I would have some sort of early bird special for those who back the project during the first 30 days, like a year long 35% discount to the entire Hasbro Pulse store, free shipping, etc. something totally unrelated to the project.
I think it depends on the base price if people wonder what else they're getting. The Sentinel and Galactus hit that criteria while some others were more of a "what else is coming to justify this cost?" Giant-Man's price was fair although the same resources used for the Skrull head probably could have been used to an easy repaint figure.
The significant issue regarding Marvel Legends Haslab is that it thoroughly exposes the chasm of disconnect between collectors and Hasbro. Furthermore, that chasm of disconnect also comes with an acknowledgment that Hasbro has little intention to change their method of crowd-funding. As long as the program remains profitable for them. As I can only comment on Marvel Legends Haslab, the tiers with Galactus, and EoV offered re-used and re-painted standard bucks with little attention paid towards making the tiers distinct to the project. With Galactus - Silver Surfer was a re-issue; Nova was as basic a buck that could be made; Doom's head (wtf 'nuff said) and Morg was the only unique sculpt but also the tier requiring the most backers; EoV - Mephisto with his crocs + Damon with NOTHING displayed Hasbro ML's greed with a standard no-frills buck; Goblin Queen was simply an inappropriate character selection. The issue with the tiers isn't the fact they are hidden behind any paywall. That is simply a false statement used as a convenient excuse for Hasbro to alter the ML Haslab's agenda. This was NEVER an excuse when it came to the Sentinel and Galactus and was only brought up once the EoV failed. Should Giant-Man have included tiers such as Yellowjacket, the inevitable Giant-Man as a 6inch and Wasp - no one would be complaining about any paywall. Which is my point; it is not the "paywall" issue with tiers, it is the ML's team of tier selection (which is another disconnect between collectors and Hasbro). Instead, the argument isn't "locking behind a paywall" rather Hasbro's inability to listen to the collecting community in relation to tier selection. If collectors want to hide behind "Hasbro can't please everyone all the time" then those collectors also have to exist with their heads in the sand. Haslab's are suppose to be a "CROWD"-fund program. Get the CROWD involved with the character selection of tiers by offering a voting system during the campaign. It will keep the program "alive" throughout its campaign. Should Hasbro continue with their agenda on crowd-funding programs maintaining their "we know better than the collectors", more campaigns are destined to fail. Whatever happened to the Crowd in crowd-funding anyway? It works for Ace at Ramen toys. There is little sympathy for a billion-dollar company crowd-funding regarding the issues they created and perpetuated. A company such as Hasbro, who does very little to further the progress of action figure development (c'mon, still using decade old parts? Where is the paint?) while still refusing to acknowledge the collecting community's (read; paying customers) demands, shouldn't be crowd-funding anything. Note: I wouldn't be so negative with the Marvel Legends team if I didn't like collecting Marvel action figures so much.
The EOV wasn't as well thought out as they hoped and there's zero chance that figures included with Giant Man would have been fully funded. Giant Man (6"), Wasp and Yellowjacket would have gotten backed with no problem.
@@LylesFigureFiles this isn't accurate. Larger production runs equates to lower cost per unit. What's baked in is the profit margin that Hasbro wants. If they sell 10,000 units the price per unit is much higher than if they sell 18,000 units. So when 18,000 units are sold, the profit margin is greater and they reward the backers by spending some of that profit margin on additional unlocks rather than just taking the profits and running.
You should be able to vote from tiers they offer once it is backed. It would be voter’s choice, like you said. We vote on box art they will use, why not vote for tiers. It might have saved the EOV and those pissed off customers who hate the pay wall issue. They could offer an option close to the end of the backing, to purchase the remaining tiers for a certain amount of money. In the case of the cantina, add the music band for $80 more.
There are definitely some good opinions all around on this subject so I'm gonna throw my two cents in the jar as well. A Haslab IMHO, should be a dream project for a toy collector. It should be of a scale and level of detail that we would never see at retail. It should be something that someone can use as a centerpiece of their collection and something that stands out as being unique and desirable. I dislike Tiers. I would much rather Hasbro come up with a complete offering with Zero tiers. I don't mind figures being included, but they really need to back off of the silly position that if the campaign doesn't fund, those figures will never be seen again. Funny enough, we are kind of already seeing them back away from this with "versions" of Damien Hellstrom and Madelyne Prior/Goblin Queen being released after the Hell-Charger failed to fund. If we had to continue with Tiers, I do like your idea of maybe making them optional add-on purchases for the folks who really wanted them, that way, they don't affect the actual funding of the project. They could maybe even consider creating Haslab adjacent add-ons that they announce and make available at a later date. The GI Joe team kind of does this already without officially naming it as such, for instance when they made that H.I.S.S. Techno-Viper & H.M.S. product after they got the Haslab H.I.S.S. project funded. Lastly, since Haslab projects are arguably premium products for die-hard collectors and not average toys, maybe Hasbro should involve the fanbase directly with an annual poll to help define the next projects. They could retain control by coming up with maybe 3 ideas and have a poll to see which one wins. It would also give them valuable insight and metrics as to the popularity and feasibility of projects that they can use when introducing the next poll. To sum up, keep doing Haslabs, no tiers, maybe some value add-ons at a later date and fan based polling. Sorry for such a lengthy comment Jeff, but this comes from 50 years worth of toy loving passion! (🙁 +🦸♀=😊)
They're in a tricky ground with that as most collectors have space for only one or two collection centerpieces so they've got to try and mix it up with maybe not dream projects, but pretty cool ones. I always appreciate a well-thought out comment, my friend!
@LylesFigureFiles That's very true; I hadn't considered that. Space is always an issue. But I have to wonder, if the offerings aren't "larger than life" would people still consider them worth crowdfunding, or would they prefer them to be offered in stores? Maybe another way to do Haslabs would be to take a poll of what people want, then ask them to confirm interest by "reserving" the item (without charging for it yet). That way Hasbro can get what they want, which is the exact number of sales they would get up front, and then they could design the Haslab around that number of people, instead of the other way around where they design it first and then try to get the minimum backing. So if a project like the Rancor only warrants 8500 backers, they design it to meet that amount of funding, and everyone knows they will get one rather than this ridiculous "will it or won't it" situation.
They should just include everything. People just end up waiting to the last possible second. I ordered my Cantina at -3 minutes pass the deadline. If everything was included I would have ordered the first day. One good thing is that not many sold. 14 something thousand I think. The resale is gonna be high. It’ll be a rare Haslab.
There’s some sort of legal reason, why they can’t offer the tiers after the Haslabs close. I don’t think they’ll ever allow you to vote on the tiers. They definitely want people to buy multiple, so they’ll also never do resealable packaging. But the two options with the Cantina, can be something they do again.
They have released one tier figure with the upcoming Damian Hellstrom figure so it is possible. Guess it's more a question of how often they could do it.
Maybe, like the deluxe version of the bar, they should just fund the main item, but we can pay more or less. One price for the base set/ figure. Then pay more for the tiers and get a deep discount for getting all three or four tiers. Like 25 for one 40 for two 50 for three and so on. Or get rid of tiers, put it all together and drop the price significantly for the tiers. At 10000, its 20 bucks less. At 13000 its 50 bucks less, ect. Idk just a thought. I will say with Star Wars they need to have a figure loose and in the package or a package that you can take the figure out of, and put it back into for storage/display.
@LylesFigureFiles Right. If the EoV had been 200-250 and we just ponied up the extra money for the tiers Ala cart, as people wanted them, would it have funded? I do hate being held hostage by the capricious whims of the community to get stuff I fully want.
They should just offer 3 different packages like 1 with just the base offering, 2nd with some extra figures, and then a deluxe with everything. That would be better imo
@LylesFigureFiles yes sir on Hiatus like the lightning collection. I've said about 4 years ago Hasbro had too much on their plates with these hot toylines. GI joe classified series overwhelmed them imo
I thought it was kinda sad that they put Arleil; the only new figure at the 3rd tier. I also feel like if the figure offered were all going to be never before made cantina aliens then this would have been a true exclusive and it would have got over 18,000 backers. It was kinda a slap in the face to produced Greedo 6.0 and even Nabrun Leeds 3.0 at an over $300 price point. (Greedo was even in Vintage Collection already w/ a fuzzy jacket!) That’s why my conspiracy theory mind is thinking they purposely put Ariel last because Hasbro hoped it wouldn’t get backed; so they can release Ariel as a mass produced figure and make more $$$$ from it rather than keeping it exclusive to 18,000. I backed the cantina; but I plan on selling Wuher 4.0, Greedo, 6.0 and Labrun Leeds. To be those three were a waste of tooling/new sculpt expense. I understand their logic for why the cantina SHOULD come with a Wuher & Greedo… but that would only make sense if this was going to retail, you need main characters to attract casual fans to buy. Since this was a collector/hardcore fan exclusive this set should have been something like Tonika Sisters, Arliel Schouss, Regeesk, a human like Garouf Lafoe aka the Snitch, and finally the female Saurin Sai'torr Kal Fas (lolI had to look and copy/paste that one up). Honestly the could have went cheap and just stuck a Bith, Duros, Saurin, Gotal, or Trinto Baba head on like farm boy bodies and everyone would went nuts (there two of these aliens and a 8th bith in the same costumes…. But the annoying part is they four aliens are exactly the aliens needs to complete each of the 6 booths in the cantina… obviously Han and the ban have reserved the other two.)
I was puzzled by that slot for Arleil as well. I guess they figured he was desirable enough to drive people to back it, which I think is super faulty thinking for a non-army building style playset/vehicle.
@@LylesFigureFilesI agree, they should have put the most desirable figures first to drive sales up immediately. You make a good point, because it seems like people didn’t start buying in droves untill Nabrun Leeds was unlocked on the last night. That’s why so many people believe if the Haslab went 45 days instead of 30; then Arleil would have been unlocked by day 31.
I would have ordered the Cat's Lair if it had just come with the translucent Lion-O. People like me won't order unless all the tiers I want are unlocked.
Would have hit the third tier with one or two more extra hours. They did us dirty with the shorter campaign. -Or- they could just add an extra day and third tier would definitely fund. They did it a couple of times in the past. But they mentioned in a stream that not reached tiers could still be released at a later point, as they did with Marvel Legends already.
@@LylesFigureFiles yes, but I was following the thing live and the last hour a couple of thousands backed. Heck, the four armed guy was quite a win already and happened in the couple last hours. Typical FOMO. I’m not “fighting” you, please don’t get me wrong. I enjoy watching your content or just listening to you while I cook or do home-stuff. This HasLab was shaky and people were flaky for good reasons. I backed it in the last three days myself mostly to not regret it later. I do like the interiors, but think it does look incomplete, lacking of removable ceilings, external structure and floor panels. Lights, all of that. The previous TVC Haslabs all look complete. And the price was high. And they gave it less time. That’s also a reason why it’s bitter that didn’t extend just a couple of hours or a single day. It definitely had lots of room for improvement.
*+++++We should all **_*PETITION_* Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++++* 🤔I Don't Know *_ANYONE_* (who backed the *Cantina* ) Hosting/Streaming, Commenting or Superc-hatting who said: "Meh, I Don't *_Want/Need_* The *Wolfman* (Arliel Schous)" And so, obv. *_WHY_* don't *_Hasbro_* just do a *_SEPARATE_*_ HasLab_ Fund Campaign for The Wolfman⁉ ~ Since it didn't quite Hit *+++++We should all **_*PETITION_*_ _Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++++*
The risk in selling unique add ons is that once you sell it, you have to tool it and manufacture it, and maybe you take a loss because fewer people buy in than you need to cover cost and turn a profit.
In the figure sense, a lot of Marvel Legends and GI Joe figures are more of clever part reuse and sculpting a few new elements. They could make those tier figures using parts that could be used or are already in use for previously released figures.
Deadlines get some of these projects finished. I think if they kept it going for six months there wouldn't be the urgency to back for a lot of people until the final few days all the same.
Galactus and Unicron are the only worthy HasLab projects in my opinion since the sail barge. Recently, the scale and craftsmanship just aren't up to the le else of the initial few releases. The projects started off coming in a box that looked big enough to hold a kitchen refrigerator but now the projects are showing up in video game console size boxes. The scale keeps diminishing but the price keeps increasing. I haven't supported a HasLab and I don't believe I ever will. It would have to be something truly special to get me on board, but I know that they stopped making special since 2019.
@@LylesFigureFiles I did not see enough Heralds being offered in my opinion. Fire-Lord, Terrax and Air-Walker should have been part of the offering with more effects parts. The Kirby Krackle should have been dripping everywhere!
Maybe they should've offered Wolfman as an early bird! Either way, I feel the cantina is too far removed from the general audience's minds. There's apparently not enough fans who wanted this item, for the price that was offered. Personally, I'm not obsessed with all these random blink & you miss aliens. Greedo was a wasted slot, though. I got the bar & a handfull of modern styled figures. I feel pretty good!
@LylesFigureFiles I completely forgot about The Engine of Vegnence! Lol I had the HISS tank campaign on my mind. They hit a home run with their early bird offer & the technician with the color poll. They need to do more unique & interesting offers.
With Haslabs I think folks need to accept how the system works. They post ahead of time that they need X backers to get it all. It didn’t hit and that’s fine. Folks who back need to be fine paying for the minimum offer. And count the tiers as just extra with no guarantee. In the end Hasbro is about maxing profit. there may not be any more backers regardless. It is what it is.
Well, the tiers are factored into the price for Hasbro so they're not really extras. That's the catch with them, which Hasbro's ML team said with the Giant Man HasLab after the EOV didn't fund.
@@LylesFigureFiles Sure. But we don’t get those tiers unless we get the number of backers required. If that doesn’t happen Hasbro doesn’t produce 17k and another figure. So their margin stays the same. Personally I think another vehicle would’ve funded easier.
I stand by what I've been saying forever - Hasbro needs to wise up and do a customer survey and see what they want for Haslabs - especially for ML. Personally, I don't like tiers. Tiers are a greed grab. Hasbro admitted that the price of the tiers is baked into the price, so every tier that's missed essentially raises the actual price for the product. In other words, if you pay $350 for a Haslab with 3 tier figures and it funds but does not hit the tiers, you're paying $75 more than the actual value of the main offering. Hasbro needs to go back to the idea of Haslabs being for wild projects that would not otherwise be released. Giantman, in my opinion, did not hit that level, nor did Engine of Failure. Galactus? Absolutely! The Sentinel? Yes. Hasbro also talks out both sides of their mouths - they claim fans don't want figures as tiers, and yet they have figures (and good ones!) as tiers for the Star Wars Cantina Haslab. So which is it? I think people prefer extra figures with the Haslabs, especially when the Haslab is a giant figure. 3 of the 4 ML Haslabs were giant figures. Two sold like crazy and came with figures (Sentinel, Galactus). The one that didn't (Giantman) was barely outperforming (and for a few weeks was UNDERPERFORMING) the Engine of Failure. I'm still convinced that Hasbro played with the numbers in order to avoid a 2nd failed Haslab. SO people want figures. The way around the paywall issue? Simple - just don't include vital figures. If Giantman had come with a prototype Ultron and maybe Hank in a lab coat and for a third tier possibly Ultron-6 (when he had the square machine lower body), it would have funded for real and with no complaints. Likewise, if they did an Eternity Haslab (imagine how awesome that would look Galactus sized, and all the stars and galaxies in his body light up!) and included an original green-costumed Dormammu (a simply repaint with a new head sculpt) and an original Dr. Strange in his all blue costume, again, I can't see there being complaints. Then there's the question of vehicles. Fans are clamoring for an Avengers Quinjet (which could come with Jarvis and prototype Ultron as tiers) and it would fund at least as fast as Galactus or Sentinel! Or a Fantasti-car that comes with Willie Lumpkin, classic Agatha Harkness, and maybe an unusual character that looks cool but isn't popular enough for a normal release (Darkoth, Invincible Man, or the Punisher - Galactus's alien-robot servant from his 1st appearance in FF #48-0).
A Haslab with Fing Fang Foom, with a nice Mandarin figure as a tier would mop up! You could throw in a new Madam Mask figure and a Jimmy Woo Agent of Shield figure for tiers would also rock! My 2 cents. Tiers certainly sweeten the pot, but the initial offering is what counts most. If it isn't well conceived and affordable, I don't think it's likely to be successful.
@@LylesFigureFiles I don't think Jimmy has anything to do with Foom, actually, but we need a Shield figure of him, so I included him. Should have explained that a bit, sorry. In the original Strange Tales #89 issue, Chan Liuchow, a young scholar, awaked Foom, but I can't imagine anyone wanting a figure of him, as 99% of fans don't even know who he is, probably.
It definitely seems to depend on the project. I don't think figures with a Marvel Legends HasLab would suffer and so far GI Joe is 2 for 2 getting it fully funded.
If Hasbro were to change their haslab to a deposit system - say $100 down, and the balance when it ships, they would have probably recived 3 or 4 times as many orders. Surely a $3.5 billion dollar company could afford to work it that way. If the deposits were non-refundable, at least then they would get their tooling costs, and it would avoid all the time waisters out there... Just saying...
I really think they should have a deposit setup for these projects especially since the customer has a deadline to pay and Hasbro can push back the delivery of the HasLab.
Tiers are pointless, Ryan from the Marvel side already spilled the bean's last year, that the tiers are already included in the base pricing. So the "tiers" are just basically being "held hostage" for more $.
Hahahahahahahahaha......here in Australia they closed the funding 8 hrs before they said they would. I was waiting for the greedo to pass funding which it hadnt and when it did, i went to back it and it was removed from funding completely. I called the rep and they said Hasbro told them to remove it from funding at 4.00 pm instead of 11.59 pm. Yeah i told him, they were happpy with the sales and didnt want to sell anymore. Moral of the story is i didnt get one which isnt anything new with these morons who run operations. In my opinion, the backing should run for 10 mths. I believe they would sell more units in long run.
Your premise is flawed You’re not buying the Haslab and tiers You’re buying the Haslab Any tiers you get or don’t get is a bonus If you’re not completely satisfied with the base offering then don’t buy into the Haslab until all the tiers unlock And as for missing figures, only the backing card on that wolfman figure was exclusive to the Haslab He’ll be coming next year, him and probably more bar patrons so collectors that backed the cantina can buy them to fill up their bar
@@LylesFigureFiles that’s true But if a Haslab is $300 for the base with three tiers and those tiers aren’t met then you’re not getting those tiers So regardless of the budget, the person buying a Haslab should consider them as bonuses because they have no guarantees that they will get anything past the base offering If a Haslab is only worth it to you with everything unlocked then only back it when all the tier goals are fulfilled Otherwise you open up yourself to disappointment
@@TheGreatDayne1983 Would you consider missing accessories from a retail figure you purchased ok since the figure (the base offering in your example) was intact or would you be upset you didn't get everything you paid for?
@@LylesFigureFiles That’s a false example Hasbro doesn’t put a picture of a accessorie on the packaging and not include it. I know for a fact exactly what I’m getting in a Haslab before I get charged for it If I really wanted a bonus figure that didn’t unlock and didn’t feel like the Haslab was worth the price tag then I’d cancel my order I’ve never bought a Haslab that I wasn’t completely satisfied with at the base offering Victory Saber Deathsaurus Hiss Dragonfly Galactus Sentinel Giant Man I appreciate that I got more than the base offering with each but my purchase was never dependent on getting more than the base offer I wish they did every campaign like Giant Man, lower price and limited tiers and Sell the matching figures later on at retail. At the end of the day corporations don’t exist to make people happy they exist to squeeze as much profit out of their offerings as possible Charging for a figure but not having to produce it means a lot of savings for them, that doesn’t mean that they’re going to pass those savings onto the consumer If that doesn’t work for you then you have to vote with your wallet and withhold your money from the project
I typically don't comment on videos I disagree with, but your opening statement is what is the problem with the collecting community. I couldn't get past the first minute without being pissed off. The arrogant stance that backers didn't get everything they paid for is false. They got what got funded, nothing more or less. None of the tiers were promised, so how can they have not gotten everything that they paid for?!? It's all choice based. No one has got a pistol at any backers head and everyone has the option to back it or not. Let's stop riling up the natives with the false narrative, shall we? Controversy for contents sake is weak sauce. And you're "supposed" to be one of the community pillars?!?! C'mon, son! Just my opinion.
@@LylesFigureFiles I appreciate that you didn't go nuclear about my opinion. Despite that you didn't nominate yourself as a pillar of the community you are one. You are a very integral part of information dissemination, so don't underestimate your importance or role. You have more influence than you give yourself credit for. Despite me not agreeing with that one take on the Haslab I appreciate your channel and the fact that you are a brother. Thank you.
The # of backers is set too high the sail barge only needed 5000 backers than̈ hasbro got greedy raised # of backers needed for all this haslab projects and you have a small company like Ramen toys selling early bird specials on vehicles for 6" figures for $180, cars, vans, tanks and isn't crowd funded ,shits getting made maybe hasbro should stop crowd funding and just make some kick ass toys
It didn’t reach the 17000 backers so the tier wasn’t unlocked. If you need 40 credit hours to graduate and you only have 39 you’re not going to graduate. You don’t get things for not getting to the finish line and at a little over 14000 backers they didn’t have enough backers and they wont receive the third tier. But the campaign was a success and they were able to fund the project because the people who wanted it supported it. So we can complain about not getting tiers unlocked but we’re not getting anything from anyone or any business for free. We have to wake up and understand that. That’s not how the world works. That’s not how capitalism works. I think the HasLab is successful venture for Hasbro but it really needs to focus on the most supportive fandoms GIJOE, Transformers and VTC of Star Wars. These should be the targeted audiences. Making sure each project has 60 days to fund, and only doing HasLab projects for the “correct” fandoms will eliminate the need for voting on items. Every GIJOE, vintage collection and transformer HasLab has funded those are the IP that Hasbro should do haslabs for.
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Always a corporate apologist splaining for a buisness but not getting paid . Leave that stuff to the marketing dept
Again, if the tier fully funded, everyone who backed it would have gotten those extra tiers for "free." Those backers showed their support. They just can't and shouldn't be expected to cover for thousands of extra units to reach another Hasbro-created goal. Especially when the tiers are factored into the original price for the HasLab. Transformers has been the only brand that has fully funded their HasLabs. And I suppose you could count the two so far GI Joe Classified Series.
@@LylesFigureFilesi feel the price being based on tiers is only in the case of backer and tier goals. If they want less backers but the same tier options it will increase the price. There’s no way around this
@LylesFigureFiles But, they had to break precedent for Unicron. That campaign received a two week extention, in addition to the original 45 days. ( That's cheating! ) lol
No one is expecting anything free from the corporation; it was the opposite, Hasbro prices the entirety of the project already charging for all tiers, it's not a freebie but it is for them if all tiers are not unlocked.
And broken. They wouldn't let me fund after greedo tier past. They took the site down in Australia 8 hrs before the stated 11.59 pm on the 8 July. The rep told me Hasbro decided to remove 8hrs early. I asked why a second time. He said they just did. Yet in New Zealand it was up until, 11.59 pm.
For the price of the deluxe cantina set we should have got all the tiers
It does seem like deluxe backers should get a little something tossed in.
shouldn't be tiers.... it should be a complete item.
One of the biggest problems with Haslabs projects is that because the community is so big, you will never be able to please everybody, regardless of what route you take
Let’s use Marvel Legends for example. With the Engine of Vengeance campaign, Hasbro offered 3 new figures with unique sculpts as tiers, but people complained about the $350 price l and about Hasbro essentially locking away characters behind a paywall
So when it came time for the Giant-Man Haslab, Hasbro responded to the criticism by addressing every complaint. The price was reduced to $200 and the tiers were items design to work exclusive with the Haslab in order to avoid locking away new characters. And guess what? People STILL complained because they felt that the tiers should be better
As customers, we should always want the best value for our money, I totally get it. But man, some people are impossible to please. I definitely don’t envy the position that the Hasbro team are in
I think the EOV issues were less about the figures (mostly) and more of their dubious connection to Ghost Rider. There weren't a lot of complaints about the figures chosen with Galactus. The Doom head was a different thing entirely.
The main reason EOV failed was because there weren't enough people into that particular version of Ghost Rider, and that car looked generic, and didn't even look like a Charger. Hasbro further botched the campaign with lack luster tier offers, but the main reason it failed was it just wasn't interesting enough to many collectors, who didn't see the value in it.
*+++We should all **_*PETITION_*__Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++*
🤔I Don't Know *_ANYONE_* (who backed the *Cantina* ) Hosting/Streaming, Commenting or Superc-hatting who said:
"Meh, I Don't *_Want/Need_* The *Wolfman* (Arliel Schous)"
And so, obv. *_WHY_* don't *_Hasbro_* just do a *_SEPARATE_*_ HasLab_ Fund Campaign for The Wolfman⁉ ~ Since it didn't quite Hit
* (+++We should all *_PETITION_*__Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++ )*
exactly why giant man should have been the only thing sold with 0 tiers. Just that one figure for about $180 bucks and that's it. It's the extras that make Hasbro so dirty. They muddy the water to try and drum up the cost. They throw in stupid effects parts and too many other bits to inflate the cost of a simple item that can be sold for far less. It's such a sneaky nasty tactic. They will please everyone when they stop being pricks. We can see right through their BS. They do it to themselves and karma eats them up and spits them out.
@@josray2557 Interesting, I don't agree with this take at all. I think the Marvel Legends team was very honest and ethical with the Giant-Man Haslab campaign. They addressed all of our complaints from the Engine of Vengeance campaign and gave us a great value
I appreciate that Hasbro has been trying things out with the Haslab. People will always be disappointed if they feel like they missed out on a tier, if the next tier is unknown, or if there are no tiers. My preference would be to include all the tiers at the start and how many backers needed to fund. The stretch goals can be a price reduction that everyone shares. An example would be let's say a $300 giant man with two faceplaces and 2 figures (ant man and wasp 2 pack). Funded at 8000 backers, with a $25 reduction at each tier of 11,000 14,000, and 17,000. As the price reduces, it would grab more interest. Nothing advertised would be missed. The problem with add ons is they would also need a minimum number of backers, because making 500 zombie face plates wouldn't make sense, so some add ons would fail to fund, or be expensive to compensate.
I'm liking the idea of total backers needed and no tiers especially if collectors miss out on something because not enough collectors supported it.
I wish they did the Haslabs a la carte. Have multiple options to select and they could determine how many we get based on the total units backed. Maybe unlock more options for a higher total to give people incentive to back it early. Could even have a deluxe selection available if all the tiers are met and the total keeps going up.
I dig that idea, Monkey Dave!
Considering that the price of all tiers are already baked into the price of the Haslab, they need to just come up with a total amount of units sold, and just go with that. If we pay for a Haslab that doesn't hit all of the tiers, you're paying for an incomplete item that they are still getting their money for. That, or they need to do a true Kickstarter style of pricing.
I agree.
Yep! Just do a minimum. I felt bad for the VTC collectors who backed the cantina and couldn't get all the figures that was on the table because not enough folks backed it.
Great breakdown brother. Hit the nail on the head in a lot of the Haslab issues/hurdles. Ramen Toy is doing it right!! 🤙🏽
Thanks man! I think Hasbro could pretty easily address some of their problems with the HasLabs with a little fine tuning.
Im glad the backers that wanted it are getting it. I personally didn't back it, Im still waiting on 2 Giant Man, and my Ghost that I backed. I cant run it up to 4 Haslabs that Im waiting on. Plus I think the price tag was a bit high for my taste honestly.
Yeah, it's not so much a thing of if the figures are going to be terrible, but it really is more a matter of principle in delivering what customers paid for a year ago before setting up the next one which ends before customers get the first one.
I envy how happy the customers who funded Giantman are going to be. He is indeed an awesome piece of work! I was tempted somewhat just by the quality, but he's just too big for my aesthetics. I'm a dinosaur who grew up on the earliest Marvel Comics and he was almost ALWAYS shown no larger than 12' tall, which would equal a 12" figure. The Haslab Giantman just looks way to tall to me, the same way the 6" version with the Wasp looks ridiculously small. I'm hoping they release a 12" version, which would be awesome for everyone who got the 24" Haslab and the 6" figure. Jeffrey, I forget - did you order a Giantman? If so, I can't wait to see your review when it's released. That's gonna be exciting!
Oddly, the price wasn't an issue for me (aside from my wallet biting me on the ass for even thinking about it!). My issue was the size - he's just too big. But if it had been a $250 Eternity, Watcher, Stranger, Mangog, Living Monolith...my wallet can bite me all it wants - I'm ordering one! LOL! I literally would not even care about the tiers.
@@Vintage-Bob I think the size is honestly what sold me on it. That and the fact that Giant Man is one of my favorite Avengers. 3 is the limit for Haslabs I'll back at one time without having received anything. Unless the product is absolutely something or someone I must add to my collection. If he was 12 inch I'd be okay with that, but with the current size he really earned the Giant in his name. 😁
@@emmanuelsilvera8032 Yeah, I gotta give it to them, they really hit it out of the ballpark with Giantman. If I wanted a figure of him that size, I'd definitely have ordered him even without the tiers. I hope they do release a 12" Giantman. Imagine how cool it would look to line up a 6", 12" and 24" Giantman (for those who got the Haslab I mean)!
Since the Cantina had different price options, the goal should have been a monetary amount instead of an actual number.
That's a good point. There was already some shifts in how this was done compared to previous ones.
@@LylesFigureFiles exactly! I believe this is the only Haslab that offered two different variants with two different price tags. Honestly, there was zero reason to back the more expensive one if both came with the exact same figures plus It didn’t help reach the third tier at all.
My stance has always been: the base offering SHOULD be enough to entice you to back the project. The stretch goals should not influence your decision to back a project, which is the mistake most people make; the mentality is usually "Ok, cool (in reference to the main project) but what else am I getting?"
I would make every HasLab 60 days. The first 30 you have no mention of the stretch goals. Then after 30 days they reveal the stretch goals. However I would have some sort of early bird special for those who back the project during the first 30 days, like a year long 35% discount to the entire Hasbro Pulse store, free shipping, etc. something totally unrelated to the project.
I think it depends on the base price if people wonder what else they're getting. The Sentinel and Galactus hit that criteria while some others were more of a "what else is coming to justify this cost?" Giant-Man's price was fair although the same resources used for the Skrull head probably could have been used to an easy repaint figure.
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Thank you!
The significant issue regarding Marvel Legends Haslab is that it thoroughly exposes the chasm of disconnect between collectors and Hasbro. Furthermore, that chasm of disconnect also comes with an acknowledgment that Hasbro has little intention to change their method of crowd-funding. As long as the program remains profitable for them.
As I can only comment on Marvel Legends Haslab, the tiers with Galactus, and EoV offered re-used and re-painted standard bucks with little attention paid towards making the tiers distinct to the project. With Galactus - Silver Surfer was a re-issue; Nova was as basic a buck that could be made; Doom's head (wtf 'nuff said) and Morg was the only unique sculpt but also the tier requiring the most backers; EoV - Mephisto with his crocs + Damon with NOTHING displayed Hasbro ML's greed with a standard no-frills buck; Goblin Queen was simply an inappropriate character selection.
The issue with the tiers isn't the fact they are hidden behind any paywall. That is simply a false statement used as a convenient excuse for Hasbro to alter the ML Haslab's agenda. This was NEVER an excuse when it came to the Sentinel and Galactus and was only brought up once the EoV failed. Should Giant-Man have included tiers such as Yellowjacket, the inevitable Giant-Man as a 6inch and Wasp - no one would be complaining about any paywall. Which is my point; it is not the "paywall" issue with tiers, it is the ML's team of tier selection (which is another disconnect between collectors and Hasbro). Instead, the argument isn't "locking behind a paywall" rather Hasbro's inability to listen to the collecting community in relation to tier selection.
If collectors want to hide behind "Hasbro can't please everyone all the time" then those collectors also have to exist with their heads in the sand. Haslab's are suppose to be a "CROWD"-fund program. Get the CROWD involved with the character selection of tiers by offering a voting system during the campaign. It will keep the program "alive" throughout its campaign. Should Hasbro continue with their agenda on crowd-funding programs maintaining their "we know better than the collectors", more campaigns are destined to fail. Whatever happened to the Crowd in crowd-funding anyway? It works for Ace at Ramen toys.
There is little sympathy for a billion-dollar company crowd-funding regarding the issues they created and perpetuated. A company such as Hasbro, who does very little to further the progress of action figure development (c'mon, still using decade old parts? Where is the paint?) while still refusing to acknowledge the collecting community's (read; paying customers) demands, shouldn't be crowd-funding anything.
Note: I wouldn't be so negative with the Marvel Legends team if I didn't like collecting Marvel action figures so much.
The EOV wasn't as well thought out as they hoped and there's zero chance that figures included with Giant Man would have been fully funded. Giant Man (6"), Wasp and Yellowjacket would have gotten backed with no problem.
That skrull head would of got me to order 2
I really thought that was more desirable than the zombie one!
They should get rid of the tier system. The price already includeds the cost of all the tiers.
I think that's what some folks don't understand. Regardless if those tiers fund, they've been paid for from backer 1.
@@LylesFigureFiles this isn't accurate. Larger production runs equates to lower cost per unit. What's baked in is the profit margin that Hasbro wants. If they sell 10,000 units the price per unit is much higher than if they sell 18,000 units. So when 18,000 units are sold, the profit margin is greater and they reward the backers by spending some of that profit margin on additional unlocks rather than just taking the profits and running.
You should be able to vote from tiers they offer once it is backed. It would be voter’s choice, like you said. We vote on box art they will use, why not vote for tiers. It might have saved the EOV and those pissed off customers who hate the pay wall issue. They could offer an option close to the end of the backing, to purchase the remaining tiers for a certain amount of money. In the case of the cantina, add the music band for $80 more.
And throw them in one of those boxes like they've done with the multi-packs of army builders. Like that idea!
There are definitely some good opinions all around on this subject so I'm gonna throw my two cents in the jar as well.
A Haslab IMHO, should be a dream project for a toy collector. It should be of a scale and level of detail that we would never see at retail. It should be something that someone can use as a centerpiece of their collection and something that stands out as being unique and desirable.
I dislike Tiers. I would much rather Hasbro come up with a complete offering with Zero tiers. I don't mind figures being included, but they really need to back off of the silly position that if the campaign doesn't fund, those figures will never be seen again. Funny enough, we are kind of already seeing them back away from this with "versions" of Damien Hellstrom and Madelyne Prior/Goblin Queen being released after the Hell-Charger failed to fund.
If we had to continue with Tiers, I do like your idea of maybe making them optional add-on purchases for the folks who really wanted them, that way, they don't affect the actual funding of the project. They could maybe even consider creating Haslab adjacent add-ons that they announce and make available at a later date. The GI Joe team kind of does this already without officially naming it as such, for instance when they made that H.I.S.S. Techno-Viper & H.M.S. product after they got the Haslab H.I.S.S. project funded.
Lastly, since Haslab projects are arguably premium products for die-hard collectors and not average toys, maybe Hasbro should involve the fanbase directly with an annual poll to help define the next projects. They could retain control by coming up with maybe 3 ideas and have a poll to see which one wins. It would also give them valuable insight and metrics as to the popularity and feasibility of projects that they can use when introducing the next poll.
To sum up, keep doing Haslabs, no tiers, maybe some value add-ons at a later date and fan based polling. Sorry for such a lengthy comment Jeff, but this comes from 50 years worth of toy loving passion! (🙁 +🦸♀=😊)
Yeah but dude, your using logic and reason in your comment based on corporate buffoonery.
They're in a tricky ground with that as most collectors have space for only one or two collection centerpieces so they've got to try and mix it up with maybe not dream projects, but pretty cool ones.
I always appreciate a well-thought out comment, my friend!
@LylesFigureFiles That's very true; I hadn't considered that. Space is always an issue. But I have to wonder, if the offerings aren't "larger than life" would people still consider them worth crowdfunding, or would they prefer them to be offered in stores?
Maybe another way to do Haslabs would be to take a poll of what people want, then ask them to confirm interest by "reserving" the item (without charging for it yet). That way Hasbro can get what they want, which is the exact number of sales they would get up front, and then they could design the Haslab around that number of people, instead of the other way around where they design it first and then try to get the minimum backing. So if a project like the Rancor only warrants 8500 backers, they design it to meet that amount of funding, and everyone knows they will get one rather than this ridiculous "will it or won't it" situation.
They should just include everything. People just end up waiting to the last possible second. I ordered my Cantina at -3 minutes pass the deadline. If everything was included I would have ordered the first day. One good thing is that not many sold. 14 something thousand I think. The resale is gonna be high. It’ll be a rare Haslab.
Finding one with all the parts and accessories will be tough, but the resale might get dinged based on if you got the deluxe or standard.
There’s some sort of legal reason, why they can’t offer the tiers after the Haslabs close. I don’t think they’ll ever allow you to vote on the tiers. They definitely want people to buy multiple, so they’ll also never do resealable packaging. But the two options with the Cantina, can be something they do again.
They have released one tier figure with the upcoming Damian Hellstrom figure so it is possible. Guess it's more a question of how often they could do it.
Maybe, like the deluxe version of the bar, they should just fund the main item, but we can pay more or less. One price for the base set/ figure. Then pay more for the tiers and get a deep discount for getting all three or four tiers. Like 25 for one 40 for two 50 for three and so on. Or get rid of tiers, put it all together and drop the price significantly for the tiers. At 10000, its 20 bucks less. At 13000 its 50 bucks less, ect. Idk just a thought. I will say with Star Wars they need to have a figure loose and in the package or a package that you can take the figure out of, and put it back into for storage/display.
I wonder the price of these HasLabs without factoring the tiers into the price.
@LylesFigureFiles Right. If the EoV had been 200-250 and we just ponied up the extra money for the tiers Ala cart, as people wanted them, would it have funded? I do hate being held hostage by the capricious whims of the community to get stuff I fully want.
They should just offer 3 different packages like 1 with just the base offering, 2nd with some extra figures, and then a deluxe with everything. That would be better imo
I like that idea too!
I'm still hoping Hasbro make the Sky Stryker ground crew available to us that backed that Haslab
@@rodneysessoms8804 maybe Super7 will… Hasbro kinda let the O-Rings slide…
Seems like they've moved on from 3.75 product.
@LylesFigureFiles yes sir on Hiatus like the lightning collection. I've said about 4 years ago Hasbro had too much on their plates with these hot toylines. GI joe classified series overwhelmed them imo
I thought it was kinda sad that they put Arleil; the only new figure at the 3rd tier. I also feel like if the figure offered were all going to be never before made cantina aliens then this would have been a true exclusive and it would have got over 18,000 backers. It was kinda a slap in the face to produced Greedo 6.0 and even Nabrun Leeds 3.0 at an over $300 price point. (Greedo was even in Vintage Collection already w/ a fuzzy jacket!) That’s why my conspiracy theory mind is thinking they purposely put Ariel last because Hasbro hoped it wouldn’t get backed; so they can release Ariel as a mass produced figure and make more $$$$ from it rather than keeping it exclusive to 18,000. I backed the cantina; but I plan on selling Wuher 4.0, Greedo, 6.0 and Labrun Leeds. To be those three were a waste of tooling/new sculpt expense. I understand their logic for why the cantina SHOULD come with a Wuher & Greedo… but that would only make sense if this was going to retail, you need main characters to attract casual fans to buy. Since this was a collector/hardcore fan exclusive this set should have been something like Tonika Sisters, Arliel Schouss, Regeesk, a human like Garouf Lafoe aka the Snitch, and finally the female Saurin Sai'torr Kal Fas (lolI had to look and copy/paste that one up). Honestly the could have went cheap and just stuck a Bith, Duros, Saurin, Gotal, or Trinto Baba head on like farm boy bodies and everyone would went nuts (there two of these aliens and a 8th bith in the same costumes…. But the annoying part is they four aliens are exactly the aliens needs to complete each of the 6 booths in the cantina… obviously Han and the ban have reserved the other two.)
I was puzzled by that slot for Arleil as well. I guess they figured he was desirable enough to drive people to back it, which I think is super faulty thinking for a non-army building style playset/vehicle.
@@LylesFigureFilesI agree, they should have put the most desirable figures first to drive sales up immediately. You make a good point, because it seems like people didn’t start buying in droves untill Nabrun Leeds was unlocked on the last night. That’s why so many people believe if the Haslab went 45 days instead of 30; then Arleil would have been unlocked by day 31.
Maybe if they just had the option to add an extra tier for 25$ to 50$ for each, instead of 2-3000 backers for each tier, the Haslab would fund better
Good idea!
I would have ordered the Cat's Lair if it had just come with the translucent Lion-O. People like me won't order unless all the tiers I want are unlocked.
I wonder what the percentage of non-crowdfunders have that approach? Probably a lot more than Hasbro, Mattel, etc. would imagine.
It was 1 hour to go when I noticed it was at about 150 shy of the Second Tier. I knew it would hit the second Tier. Didn't think it would hit the 3rd.
Would have hit the third tier with one or two more extra hours. They did us dirty with the shorter campaign.
-Or- they could just add an extra day and third tier would definitely fund. They did it a couple of times in the past.
But they mentioned in a stream that not reached tiers could still be released at a later point, as they did with Marvel Legends already.
The gap was too far to get even close to the third tier.
17,000 was wayyy too big a gap!
@@LylesFigureFiles yes, but I was following the thing live and the last hour a couple of thousands backed. Heck, the four armed guy was quite a win already and happened in the couple last hours. Typical FOMO.
I’m not “fighting” you, please don’t get me wrong. I enjoy watching your content or just listening to you while I cook or do home-stuff. This HasLab was shaky and people were flaky for good reasons. I backed it in the last three days myself mostly to not regret it later. I do like the interiors, but think it does look incomplete, lacking of removable ceilings, external structure and floor panels. Lights, all of that. The previous TVC Haslabs all look complete.
And the price was high. And they gave it less time. That’s also a reason why it’s bitter that didn’t extend just a couple of hours or a single day. It definitely had lots of room for improvement.
*+++++We should all **_*PETITION_* Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++++*
🤔I Don't Know *_ANYONE_* (who backed the *Cantina* ) Hosting/Streaming, Commenting or Superc-hatting who said:
"Meh, I Don't *_Want/Need_* The *Wolfman* (Arliel Schous)"
And so, obv. *_WHY_* don't *_Hasbro_* just do a *_SEPARATE_*_ HasLab_ Fund Campaign for The Wolfman⁉ ~ Since it didn't quite Hit
*+++++We should all **_*PETITION_*_ _Hasbro/Kenner_ as a community+++++*
I'd feel wrong signing a petition for something I didn't back initially.
The risk in selling unique add ons is that once you sell it, you have to tool it and manufacture it, and maybe you take a loss because fewer people buy in than you need to cover cost and turn a profit.
In the figure sense, a lot of Marvel Legends and GI Joe figures are more of clever part reuse and sculpting a few new elements. They could make those tier figures using parts that could be used or are already in use for previously released figures.
They should let the campaign continue as long as the initial goal is met
Deadlines get some of these projects finished. I think if they kept it going for six months there wouldn't be the urgency to back for a lot of people until the final few days all the same.
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Galactus and Unicron are the only worthy HasLab projects in my opinion since the sail barge. Recently, the scale and craftsmanship just aren't up to the le else of the initial few releases.
The projects started off coming in a box that looked big enough to hold a kitchen refrigerator but now the projects are showing up in video game console size boxes.
The scale keeps diminishing but the price keeps increasing. I haven't supported a HasLab and I don't believe I ever will. It would have to be something truly special to get me on board, but I know that they stopped making special since 2019.
What stopped you from backing Galactus and Unicron?
@@LylesFigureFiles I did not see enough Heralds being offered in my opinion. Fire-Lord, Terrax and Air-Walker should have been part of the offering with more effects parts. The Kirby Krackle should have been dripping everywhere!
@@LylesFigureFiles I just didn't have the money for Unicron at the time he was offered.
Maybe they should've offered Wolfman as an early bird!
Either way, I feel the cantina is too far removed from the general audience's minds. There's apparently not enough fans who wanted this item, for the price that was offered.
Personally, I'm not obsessed with all these random blink & you miss aliens. Greedo was a wasted slot, though. I got the bar & a handfull of modern styled figures. I feel pretty good!
I don't think we'll see them try any more early birds after the fallout from the Robbie Reyes HasLab.
@LylesFigureFiles I completely forgot about The Engine of Vegnence! Lol I had the HISS tank campaign on my mind. They hit a home run with their early bird offer & the technician with the color poll. They need to do more unique & interesting offers.
With Haslabs I think folks need to accept how the system works. They post ahead of time that they need X backers to get it all. It didn’t hit and that’s fine. Folks who back need to be fine paying for the minimum offer. And count the tiers as just extra with no guarantee. In the end Hasbro is about maxing profit. there may not be any more backers regardless. It is what it is.
Well, the tiers are factored into the price for Hasbro so they're not really extras. That's the catch with them, which Hasbro's ML team said with the Giant Man HasLab after the EOV didn't fund.
@@LylesFigureFiles Sure. But we don’t get those tiers unless we get the number of backers required. If that doesn’t happen Hasbro doesn’t produce 17k and another figure. So their margin stays the same. Personally I think another vehicle would’ve funded easier.
Your correct. I didn't want one if greedo failed funding and when it did, I went to fund it and they took the site down so I couldn't fund it.
I don’t think we got enough cups with this Haslab.
LOL.
Will they not just release these tier characters later as individual releases...seems like a given.🤷
Not normally.
I stand by what I've been saying forever - Hasbro needs to wise up and do a customer survey and see what they want for Haslabs - especially for ML. Personally, I don't like tiers. Tiers are a greed grab. Hasbro admitted that the price of the tiers is baked into the price, so every tier that's missed essentially raises the actual price for the product. In other words, if you pay $350 for a Haslab with 3 tier figures and it funds but does not hit the tiers, you're paying $75 more than the actual value of the main offering.
Hasbro needs to go back to the idea of Haslabs being for wild projects that would not otherwise be released. Giantman, in my opinion, did not hit that level, nor did Engine of Failure. Galactus? Absolutely! The Sentinel? Yes. Hasbro also talks out both sides of their mouths - they claim fans don't want figures as tiers, and yet they have figures (and good ones!) as tiers for the Star Wars Cantina Haslab. So which is it?
I think people prefer extra figures with the Haslabs, especially when the Haslab is a giant figure. 3 of the 4 ML Haslabs were giant figures. Two sold like crazy and came with figures (Sentinel, Galactus). The one that didn't (Giantman) was barely outperforming (and for a few weeks was UNDERPERFORMING) the Engine of Failure. I'm still convinced that Hasbro played with the numbers in order to avoid a 2nd failed Haslab. SO people want figures. The way around the paywall issue? Simple - just don't include vital figures. If Giantman had come with a prototype Ultron and maybe Hank in a lab coat and for a third tier possibly Ultron-6 (when he had the square machine lower body), it would have funded for real and with no complaints.
Likewise, if they did an Eternity Haslab (imagine how awesome that would look Galactus sized, and all the stars and galaxies in his body light up!) and included an original green-costumed Dormammu (a simply repaint with a new head sculpt) and an original Dr. Strange in his all blue costume, again, I can't see there being complaints.
Then there's the question of vehicles. Fans are clamoring for an Avengers Quinjet (which could come with Jarvis and prototype Ultron as tiers) and it would fund at least as fast as Galactus or Sentinel! Or a Fantasti-car that comes with Willie Lumpkin, classic Agatha Harkness, and maybe an unusual character that looks cool but isn't popular enough for a normal release (Darkoth, Invincible Man, or the Punisher - Galactus's alien-robot servant from his 1st appearance in FF #48-0).
And they're starting to do surveys just not on the level we both think they need/should be conducting them.
A Haslab with Fing Fang Foom, with a nice Mandarin figure as a tier would mop up! You could throw in a new Madam Mask figure and a Jimmy Woo Agent of Shield figure for tiers would also rock! My 2 cents. Tiers certainly sweeten the pot, but the initial offering is what counts most. If it isn't well conceived and affordable, I don't think it's likely to be successful.
I'm very curious to see how they would scale a FFF HasLab. What's Jimmy Woo's connection to him?
@@LylesFigureFiles I don't think Jimmy has anything to do with Foom, actually, but we need a Shield figure of him, so I included him. Should have explained that a bit, sorry. In the original Strange Tales #89 issue, Chan Liuchow, a young scholar, awaked Foom, but I can't imagine anyone wanting a figure of him, as 99% of fans don't even know who he is, probably.
You notice its like the tiers the collectors want lately we all miss out ,,its like something is going on behind close doors
It definitely seems to depend on the project. I don't think figures with a Marvel Legends HasLab would suffer and so far GI Joe is 2 for 2 getting it fully funded.
If Hasbro were to change their haslab to a deposit system - say $100 down, and the balance when it ships, they would have probably recived 3 or 4 times as many orders. Surely a $3.5 billion dollar company could afford to work it that way. If the deposits were non-refundable, at least then they would get their tooling costs, and it would avoid all the time waisters out there...
Just saying...
That's the option we have in Australia. And you can cancel your order at any time during the year and get your 100 buck deposit back.
I really think they should have a deposit setup for these projects especially since the customer has a deadline to pay and Hasbro can push back the delivery of the HasLab.
Tiers are pointless, Ryan from the Marvel side already spilled the bean's last year, that the tiers are already included in the base pricing. So the "tiers" are just basically being "held hostage" for more $.
Yep. It's interesting how many folks still think they're freebies.
Dont collect star wars ,dont fund haslabs ,dont really care either way but heres a comment for your algorithim bro 😉
My man! Appreciate you helping the system!
Hahahahahahahahaha......here in Australia they closed the funding 8 hrs before they said they would. I was waiting for the greedo to pass funding which it hadnt and when it did, i went to back it and it was removed from funding completely. I called the rep and they said Hasbro told them to remove it from funding at 4.00 pm instead of 11.59 pm. Yeah i told him, they were happpy with the sales and didnt want to sell anymore. Moral of the story is i didnt get one which isnt anything new with these morons who run operations. In my opinion, the backing should run for 10 mths. I believe they would sell more units in long run.
Why did you wait?
You can always cancel your order if some part that you wanted didn't fund.
Waiting for tiers to fund!! Lol
Signs of a bad economy and a too high price
Your premise is flawed
You’re not buying the Haslab and tiers
You’re buying the Haslab
Any tiers you get or don’t get is a bonus
If you’re not completely satisfied with the base offering then don’t buy into the Haslab until all the tiers unlock
And as for missing figures, only the backing card on that wolfman figure was exclusive to the Haslab
He’ll be coming next year, him and probably more bar patrons so collectors that backed the cantina can buy them to fill up their bar
Ryan on the ML team said the tiers are factored into the cost. They're not bonus figures.
@@LylesFigureFiles that’s true
But if a Haslab is $300 for the base with three tiers and those tiers aren’t met then you’re not getting those tiers
So regardless of the budget, the person buying a Haslab should consider them as bonuses because they have no guarantees that they will get anything past the base offering
If a Haslab is only worth it to you with everything unlocked then only back it when all the tier goals are fulfilled
Otherwise you open up yourself to disappointment
@@TheGreatDayne1983 Would you consider missing accessories from a retail figure you purchased ok since the figure (the base offering in your example) was intact or would you be upset you didn't get everything you paid for?
@@LylesFigureFiles
That’s a false example
Hasbro doesn’t put a picture of a accessorie on the packaging and not include it.
I know for a fact exactly what I’m getting in a Haslab before I get charged for it
If I really wanted a bonus figure that didn’t unlock and didn’t feel like the Haslab was worth the price tag then I’d cancel my order
I’ve never bought a Haslab that I wasn’t completely satisfied with at the base offering
Victory Saber
Deathsaurus
Hiss
Dragonfly
Galactus
Sentinel
Giant Man
I appreciate that I got more than the base offering with each but my purchase was never dependent on getting more than the base offer
I wish they did every campaign like Giant Man, lower price and limited tiers and Sell the matching figures later on at retail.
At the end of the day corporations don’t exist to make people happy they exist to squeeze as much profit out of their offerings as possible
Charging for a figure but not having to produce it means a lot of savings for them, that doesn’t mean that they’re going to pass those savings onto the consumer
If that doesn’t work for you then you have to vote with your wallet and withhold your money from the project
I typically don't comment on videos I disagree with, but your opening statement is what is the problem with the collecting community. I couldn't get past the first minute without being pissed off. The arrogant stance that backers didn't get everything they paid for is false. They got what got funded, nothing more or less. None of the tiers were promised, so how can they have not gotten everything that they paid for?!? It's all choice based. No one has got a pistol at any backers head and everyone has the option to back it or not. Let's stop riling up the natives with the false narrative, shall we? Controversy for contents sake is weak sauce. And you're "supposed" to be one of the community pillars?!?! C'mon, son! Just my opinion.
I'm with you. I don't normally respond to videos I don't agree with either. But I'm pretty sure I never nominated myself one of the community pillars.
@@LylesFigureFiles I appreciate that you didn't go nuclear about my opinion. Despite that you didn't nominate yourself as a pillar of the community you are one. You are a very integral part of information dissemination, so don't underestimate your importance or role. You have more influence than you give yourself credit for. Despite me not agreeing with that one take on the Haslab I appreciate your channel and the fact that you are a brother. Thank you.
@@pauljohnson3442 I always feel we all get way farther treating each other with respect. And we're debating figures no need to get wild about it ;-)
The # of backers is set too high the sail barge only needed 5000 backers than̈ hasbro got greedy raised # of backers needed for all this haslab projects and you have a small company like Ramen toys selling early bird specials on vehicles for 6" figures for $180, cars, vans, tanks and isn't crowd funded ,shits getting made maybe hasbro should stop crowd funding and just make some kick ass toys
I can understand rising costs requiring higher numbers of backers. I do wonder how another 3,000 backers is the holdup with getting a 3.75" figure.
Hate tiers system just price what's contains and a minimum num to back
I'm feeling like that makes more sense lately.
It didn’t reach the 17000 backers so the tier wasn’t unlocked. If you need 40 credit hours to graduate and you only have 39 you’re not going to graduate. You don’t get things for not getting to the finish line and at a little over 14000 backers they didn’t have enough backers and they wont receive the third tier. But the campaign was a success and they were able to fund the project because the people who wanted it supported it. So we can complain about not getting tiers unlocked but we’re not getting anything from anyone or any business for free. We have to wake up and understand that. That’s not how the world works. That’s not how capitalism works. I think the HasLab is successful venture for Hasbro but it really needs to focus on the most supportive fandoms GIJOE, Transformers and VTC of Star Wars. These should be the targeted audiences. Making sure each project has 60 days to fund, and only doing HasLab projects for the “correct” fandoms will eliminate the need for voting on items. Every GIJOE, vintage collection and transformer HasLab has funded those are the IP that Hasbro should do haslabs for.
Always a corporate apologist splaining for a buisness but not getting paid . Leave that stuff to the marketing dept
Again, if the tier fully funded, everyone who backed it would have gotten those extra tiers for "free." Those backers showed their support. They just can't and shouldn't be expected to cover for thousands of extra units to reach another Hasbro-created goal. Especially when the tiers are factored into the original price for the HasLab.
Transformers has been the only brand that has fully funded their HasLabs. And I suppose you could count the two so far GI Joe Classified Series.
@@LylesFigureFilesi feel the price being based on tiers is only in the case of backer and tier goals. If they want less backers but the same tier options it will increase the price. There’s no way around this
@LylesFigureFiles But, they had to break precedent for Unicron. That campaign received a two week extention, in addition to the original 45 days. ( That's cheating! ) lol
No one is expecting anything free from the corporation; it was the opposite, Hasbro prices the entirety of the project already charging for all tiers, it's not a freebie but it is for them if all tiers are not unlocked.
Haslab is overrated
And broken. They wouldn't let me fund after greedo tier past. They took the site down in Australia 8 hrs before the stated 11.59 pm on the 8 July. The rep told me Hasbro decided to remove 8hrs early. I asked why a second time. He said they just did. Yet in New Zealand it was up until, 11.59 pm.
Gotcha!