MOTORCYCLE Oil Filter Comparison | K&N vs Hiflofiltro vs Wix vs Fram
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Today we look at a number of very popular aftermarket motorcycle oil filters. We'll go over the canister, media, microns, burst pressure, bypass valves and anti drainback valves. Shown in this video:
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It’s well known that HiFlo manufactures for K&N. With their non-cartridge filters, K&N actually use the same part numbers as HiFlo
Thought hiflo made triumph filters 🧐
@@charlieb3497 HiFlo makes filters for many OEM brands, like Denso, Honda, Toyota, etc.
and napa gold are Wix, same number (minus the first digit)
The Wix filter I recently purchased for my motorcycle was made in Mexico (WL10000).
Thank you for reviewing all these filters.
Did you said that the K&N is the cheaper one and the FRAM is the most expensive? Here in Mexico a K&N costs about 10 bucks and the FRAM is about 4 bucks haha that's crazy, Great video man!
Fram has a wide variety of different quality filters. they have cheap ones and good ones but they're mostly known for being the cheapest
Nice mane, always wanted to cut em up and scientifically go through what is better for sure.
synthetic media is moisture proof, cellulose will stop flowing if they get contaminated with moisture. This maybe a consideration when using filter in severe applications
what a great job you did!
Great video! Thank you!
Great video as always! Thanks for taking the time and your money to show people what they are getting! Would be interesting to see some of the motorcycle filters cut open after use if possible when there is a chance!
I stay away from FRAM based on their car filters and the chintzy construction over all. I always thought K&N gimmicky for the nut welded to the casing. If you change your own oil get a right size cup or a filter wrench already.
Interesting comparisons.
I just got a HiFlo [RC] for my Ducati. Personally I'd rather have a better quality filter made in Thailand than the US made ones, which both appear to be inferior to the HiFlo and K&N.
Great vids. But I'd still like to see you do the oem filters.
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I don't know where he's getting $8 for a KN filter. They are around $16-$18 or even more.
This video over 4 years old and you commented 7 months ago. After covid almost everything price went up 100%-150%
He has a link for each filter, the video is years old and the k&n is currently listed at $10 so I wouldn't doubt the $8 claim
He bought it used.
@@mdashiqurrahman39 We can thank Biden for that!
Meu amigo, parabéns, aqui Brasil, vídeo em comparações em marcas, não chega nem perto deste seu. Excelente e completa. Parabéns. Fram, nunca mais, hiflo sim, k&n muito caro aqui Brasil... Valeu
Olá amigo eu não entendo nada de inglês você poderia me dar uma prévia por que o fram é tão ruim
I wouldn't think the thickness of the cannister is going to affect burst pressure since the O ring will likely blow out first.
I suspect the main reason for the thicker canister is so that the 17 mm nut can be used. The thinner cans are harder to spot weld to and more likely to buckle or tear when torque is applied to the nut.
nah i think it does actually mather. i have heard tons of shit from people complaining about filters bursting open. like imagine if a rock or something just hits it. either bursts it right there or just makes it weak. then out of nowhere it might burst on the highway because it just could not handle the pressure with the damage from the rock. specially if oil change and filter change is around the corner and you are riding with a dirty filter.
Last year my oil filter burst on the motorway at 100(ish)MPH and it happened to be K&N (burst on the spot-welded part). I had oil all over the rear wheel and the surrounding metal parts.
I got lucky I didn't fall.
Since then, NO MORE (K&N) welded filters - one shape canisters only.
A. G. I’ve heard this has happened because they secretly ship their canisters for China... A pro racer told me and others not to use K&N on track
i was thinking that an external filter would be nice, maybe replacing a cartridge isn't so bad lol.
Man I'm glad you're alive. I appreciate your testimony man.🙏
Would be good to check if the installation were done with 17 mm nut during install which is not to be done....that hex 17 is for removal only purposes
I have heard that some tracks don't even allow k&n anymore
Guys, what happened to filtration efficiencies? The main purpose of an oil filter is to filter the engine oil and capture metallic/solid particles etc. You haven't even mentioned filtration efficiency in your assessment! The HIFLO (RC) filter mentions filtration down to 5 micron, how about the other filters? Experts say that any particle below 20 microns passes through the engine without damage! is this so? Also remember that as the filter media starts clogging up, it will increase its filtration efficiency, albeit at a reduced flow rate. This is a complex subject and the only way to determine the best filter (apart from robustness/reliability) you need to have data on the filtration efficiencies.
Actually he did with pointing the size of particles the filter can block. Best was HIFLOFILTRO rc with number 5 micron rating
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@@paulboyce8537 Thanks - thats the exact filter I have installed on my Triumph!
Hello,
Have you ever thought about doing a review on car oil filters from unknown brands that are stocked at 10 min oil change locations to compare if they have the same quality standards from popular well known brands?
a lot of unknown brands use the same factory. Cut a new open and compare.
K & N is great but only use the nut to remove the filter, not install or it may weaken and leak.
It is kind of important to know how long the filter material is.
Awesome video! This makes it clear. K&N is the winner!
nah K&N sucks. they filter really bad and are extremely unreliable. beyond racing they ain't worth shit. they sacrifice filtration for a higher flow rate on both the air filters and oil filters they provide. basically the oil filters are designed to be raced and then replaced often as when you race you pretty much do a oil change and filter change every race day or two
@@rampage3337 Just out of curiosity may I know where did you get this information from? And what do you think of HiFlo? Finally, do you recommend any brand of premium filters?
Also most people don't know that Wix makes Napa and O'Reilly filters. Also SuperTrch filters from Walmart are made by a name brand company .... usually by K&N.
Would have been nice seeing them compared to an OEM. Great video none the less.
Thank you. Appreciate the feedback.
A good question is what company is manufacturing the OEM filter.
In 35 years of riding so many bikes, I ALWAYS buy the factory/OEM filter. That's it. No Joe's or Bob's filter. No play !!! I never touch any engine internally....EVER. Whatever the manual recommends, I buy. I know, I am safe and no BS.
Could u do the filters for atv's including the STP, Polaris, Fram, K&N, Wix, etc?
If you have enough pressure to burst your oil filter you have way bigger problems elsewhere. This is an old video Fram has a spring as of 5 months ago.
Is there enough difference between a motorcycles specific filter versus an automobile filter? Reason for asking is some riders will use the automobile specific filter for their motorcycles. E.g. KN-204-1 vs HP-1008 or PS-1008
Check and compare the flow rates, and bypass valve psi ratings. Next make sure the filter efficiency is within specs too. Length make sure it doesnt run against anything hot like an exhaust tube etc.
I think weighing isn't the best way to compare. Moreover, not just because of K&N's spot welded nut, but because, this depends on that you would need to cut each oil filter can @ the exact same spot. I believe the best way is just to measure the thickness of each can, and if you want to go the [expensive] nurdy way, then also have the can of each brand analyzed on type of alloy. But, I'm completely fine with just comparing the thickness.
whats the difference between the hiflofiltro 204RC and 204? I know the rc has the nut but what does the filter do in terms of performance filtering quality?
Here you go: www.hiflofiltro.com/oil-filters
I'm not sure where you're getting your prices from because on eBay HiFlo filters are £3 less than K&N filters, maybe they're increasing the price because of their popularity, i dunno, but they're certainly not the same price, but nice to know that both are made by the same company, although maybe K&N want their casing to be thicker, different quality paper and it to have their nice logo on it? I dunno
Had a Suzuki cruiser brought to me with low oil pressure and knock,guy had recently changed oil with a wix filter, the bypass was stuck open or off seat,I wouldn't buy wix or recommend for that reason,do what ya want though.
HiFlo for myself...
Interesting Wix used the spacer.
Seems that will leak oil past the filter on the inside of the filter
anti drain back holds the oil in the filter in a horizontal mounting position
None of these filters are rated to 5 micron, the claim on HIflo is just that (a claim)
All of these will filter out some particles at 5 micron 10,20,30 etc
There is not standardised test for filtration so some claim nothing over said micron rating will get past while some claim it will remove some particles at said micron rating.
Would be nice to see a standardised rating system so consumer know what there are buying.
The WIX appeared to have a much narrow filter media than do the others. That suggests it has much less filter area. It would be nice to remove the end caps and measure the filter area.
Yes its important to have a lot of media length into it, bc that is good for more flowspeed, but its difficult to say something about it bc its also depending on what media they are using, for example premium and density, but also tested with different temperatures.
Wix typically ranks low on the square inches of filter surface.
In your opinion then, what is the best motorcycle oil filter regardless of price? Do you also have an air filter video?
I really liked Hiflo's construction. I wouldn't hesitate using Hiflo, K&N or OEM.
I have a 2001 Honda F4i and I run a Fram Ultra XG7317 which is the same as the filter for my 02 maxima. It's a little longer and makes oil changes easier.
Use the HiFlo in this video it fits the F4i & Is far superior. So kany farms are garrrrrbage
@@gooklogander7 kany farms ?
@@uptownsamcv many frams
@@gooklogander7 I've been using the Fram Ultra XG7317 for years on my car and motorcycle and it does the job well. I've cut them open and they are built pretty good.
Ooo, that 204 would go nicely on my yamahas
Hi flo is my go to
I have heard that Hi-Flow ( makes The K&N filter ) for K&N ! Is that true ?
HiFlo makes filters for many OEMs like Denso, Toyota, and Honda.
Purolator offers Motorcycle Filters. Hard to find. Normally I use Bosch 3330 Automotive Filters on my 2018 1200 Custom. Even those are getting hard to find locally.
Here in 2024, those prices have more than doubled since this video in 2020 !! YIKES !
wow what a GREAT review and education, I wish you were in charge of the COVID problem.
Can you compare hiflo and Honda OEM?
The Wix XP is my go to filter. Also the Wix Xp is made here in the USA.
Used lots of Wix filters too but the last wix cartridge filter I got for my Jeep 3.6 liter clearly said china right on the filter end cap. It didn't look like previous Wix filters with the same part number and box. I wondered if it was a counterfit?? It actually looked more like the OEM Mopar filter than previous Wix filters
Shame stp isn't here. Was curious.
How about K&N vs Amsoil.
Bro can i use another oil on my indian scout like the Liqui Moly or Motul 10W-60????
Amsoil would be best..but you can use whatever you want as long as it's weight
Why do you wish to go 10w?
Don't use K+N with the nut.You are playing Russian Roulette .They can suddenly give way at the nut and leak oil which is immediately picked up by the rear tyre.It happened to me last year and I nearly crashed.
Fram is the most expensive???
Goes to show there are alternatives...
Very poor and misleading review. The Fram filter is very poorly constructed. You nearly ripped the Fram paper end cap but stated the filter was fine. During usage, the glue on the paper Fram end cap is a failure point after the cardboard is saturated with oil. The Wix is a lazy reuse of materials by Wix. Wix used to have the bypass valve in the base. Wix replaced that part with a spacer which is why the media is so short in height.... The metal spacer takes up much of the interior dimension and is a source for leakage as it is a just a metal press fit. Both the K&N and the Hiflo are made by the same company and are the best filters. Lastly, the K&N oil filters normally are around 15 bucks which is more than many OEM. The Hiflo can be purchased for less than 8 bucks as stated in the review. I would not put either the Fram or the Wix on my bike. The other comment is that K&N recently recalled these oil filters with the welded nut as the spot welds holding the nut perforated the shell of the filter. If you have one of these filters with the welded end nut you need to tighten by hand and not use the nut when installing; only use the nut when removing the filter.
I bought a knn oil filter and it's does not fit.
I have a 750 gsxr750 2011....
They come in diferit size?
Hi,
Suzuki needs KN138.
@@openthrottleracers Thanks man.
Ya think?
Notice when it benefitted K&N he rounded. Not that it isn't a better filter, but the number bias was strange.
I thought the hiflo and k&n would be identical
Where is Meiwa ??? - great made in Japan manufacturer.
Yeah it's too bad the welded on nut situation comes with a potential failure point from cracking/splitting at the welds. Personally only seen it in person once on a Polaris ranger, but you know the internet stories and how one issue is a million
Dont tighten them with the nut and that wont happen.
Handtight is all it needs.
The nuts for easier removal
,< the spring in an oil filter is for bypassing the filter element for over pressure events (wet sumping) and over heating (air/oil cooled engines)
A little late but too bad he didnt include the summers cleanable filters
There is absolutely no difference between a “car” oil filter and a so called motorcycle oil filter - except for the price. I’ve been doing bike maintenance for forty years I’ve always used regular filters and my bikes have never had a mechanical issue.
K&N Rocks.
Just buy the Hi Flow. Your buying the best.
I know this is older but k&n has never been cheaper than ANYTHING.
You have it priced backwards.
Kn..in my place very2 expensive..
Yep, even on eBay they're more expensive than hiflo, by £3..
Never heard what media was in hiflo.
I laughed when you said the FRAM is the most expensive, haaahahah! Whoever buys FRAM just doesn't care...
I was surprised as well. Similarly, I came across the same conundrum regarding fuel filters. That's coming soon. Cheers.
Idn anyone who uses FRAM on bikes lol
Thanks for that. Like most of the things U.S. made is rubbish and most expensive. Personally I don't care where it is made. I'm prepared to pay for quality little more but for my choice HIFLOFILTRO rc is the one and also beats the U.S. price. For me it was the particle size that won me over. The KN as good second. But those U.S. made wouldn't even poke with 2m stick.
Thank you. Appreciate the feedback.
Just don't buy the Hiflo from Amazon directly. They are cheaper and for a reason, they are returns. Boxes are ripped and i had one with the cellophane seal was removed and the rubber seal had oil on it. What scares me is when someone decides to take a used filter and return it. I'll pay a buck or 2 more and get one from a third party seller.
@@340rps Always some bad apples in the sales selling used as new. That's why it is good to read the reviews first.
K&n cost 17$, hitroflo racing cost 12$ for model 153 for my Ducati monster 695
What abot champion, mann, mahle?
Why is he hung up on "burst" pressure?. I have never seen a filtrr for a bike or any vehicle burst even with people who never do oil changes.
Made in USA sounds good. Fram is high qualty but get a bad rep for some reason. Fram filters resemble harley davidson old origional high quality filters vs newer hd filters.
Filters should be changed with every oil change.
You can see flow rates difference based on area of filter as well.
I wouldn't use a Fram filter if you paid me to. Some K&N cartridge type oil filters are really great, but many of thier supposedly "high performance" canister filters are overpriced junk. Visual inspection is really the only way to know what your getting. Most brands change the designs and materials often. Do your homework and spread the word.
Maybe cut the media out next time, and see how much surface area they have. You can also check the makeup of the material. I know HifloFiltro uses a very peculiar folding pattern that maximizes the amount of material they can fit into the package. Even on their regular non-RC filters.
He talks in great detail about the quality of the materials used, that kind of gives you an idea of its performance, so i don't know why you're saying this 🙄
@@adriantroalic9298 Probably because he is smart and knows that filter area is a key indicator of the amount of material a filter can trap before back pressure begins to build too high.
Hiflofiltro and K&N look very very similar.....
Im pretty sure both made by hiflofiltro
wix 51358 would be the same as the hiflo 204
K&N is higher than hiflo. Just saying. Least every one I've looked at was. Most dirt bikes don't use a canister and you replace the filter only.
K&N is a rebranded Hi flo.
you know you get framed when buying fram
It's kinda stupid how these don't come with the oil gasket
Hiflo and KN possibly the same manufacturer....
Is there any evidence that synthetic materials filter better? Wood swells up and thus becomes super restrictive. The most restrictive oil filter that barely flows a peep of oil, is obviously the very best. I am very skeptical of anything made by K&N. The quality looks good, but why are they the only company using that strange pink media? Those shiny pink oil filters, are obviously not organic wood fibers that swell up and block fine particles.
hiflow $20, kand n $94, hiflow wins since not big difference
Your prices are way wrong! Good video but you prices are ass backwards. Never in history has a Fram filter been more expensive than a K&N.
google K/N filters, Terrible reviews... Most tracks in the US have banned K/N. Have heard nothing but good things about Hiflo !
I think a lot of reviews regarding K&N is leakage. The welded nut on the end of the can is for removal, not installation. I think many people don't know this and over-tighten the filter; which can crack the spot welds holding the nut to the can. How about that Hiflo..really nice stuff.
K&N filters are made by HiFlo :)
Fram is half the price of K&n.
Ill pass on hiflo, the other 3 i have used so far.
You are aware that Hiflo have the contract to manufacture K&N oil filters and have done for years.
@Your moms HITACHI looking into to the production site instead, Hiflo make most OEM airfilters etc for most brands as well(that's on there website)
@Your moms HITACHI that could be easily requested, I probably fit 5 of these filters a day, look into the site production and who owns the site. It's also common knowledge that hiflo produce near to everything in the bike market when it comes to air filters and oil filters. It's no secret
I think the RC on the HiFlo filter stands for racing perhaps....?
I just got fram because that’s what they had at Walmart
They got used toilet paper too, you gonna buy that?
I'm surprised you didn't review or talk about each filter's filtration efficiency, which after all is the most important criteria. Surely the 5 micron filters would be superior to the 21 micron filters. A disappointing review.
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Fram sucks period ! lol
Honestly not very useful
Fram is the worst filter you can ever buy
Dear Sir,
what you have shown in this video is unsupported by instrumental evidence, so the intrinsic value is highly questionable.
The series tests are carried out in special laboratories suitably equipped.
K&N for the win
You mean hiflo for the win as hiflo have manufactured k&n oil filters for years so they are literally identical(as the video shows)
I've seen the ones with the nut fail..I don't care for those..just use the non rc
version
Yep, used a hi flo 2 years ago on my bike and within a month it was leaking at the nut.
anyone knows about CHAMPION oil filters? it's twice the price of the hiflo, but still only 7 dollars so if its better i'd like to buy it, but how can i know
Where the hell are you getting Hiflo for 4 bucks?
@@340rps i guess it depends on the model, but we are talking EU