Reminds me of the ole juxtoposition of a photo next to an article about like a sex offender, and people go "yep that guy fits the bill" and then you show them the picture was for a different article that was just next to the sex offender one. People rarely ever take back their initial judgement as fact when it isn't.
How sad it must be to be so popular that everyone hates you. Not sad for you, sad for them. Because they’re missing out on something potentially cool but abstaining because it’s too “basic.”
Advice for everyone: take a break from the internet. You won't be missing out on anything important, trust me. Plus it's the internet, it's not going anywhere. Hopefully, you'll realize how little online drama matters and just enjoy doing what you love and living in the now.
Thats why I hated taylor swift for so long (well it was also the few psychos that call themselves fans), but i actually tried learning about her and listening to her music and I genuinely like her now.
@@drouzicz There are definitely a lot of haters who target Taylor solely for being a successful female musician but I would say a large portion of the criticism is also very valid.
As soon as I noticed how the concept of 'likeability' is almost only ever used for women, I notice it happening all the time. Often a woman will get really popular and then you'll hear people start hating on her for reasons such as "she just isn't very likeable" or "there's just something about her that I don't like". Likeability is always vague and obscure. You hardly ever hear people saying "I just don't like him" in reference to a male celebrity, when there is hate for a man it's usually brought on by some specific incident. A lot of hate for popular women is just misogyny, and it's so often young women in particular that are the targets. 😔
Women more so then men yes, but it's not exclusive to them. Any celebrity who acts with a bit of arrogance or shows some other unlikable personality trait regardless of gender is quick to get hated. I don't like Timothée Chalamet for no reason in particular. He just seems smug and pisses me off, I disliked him almost immediately. But when hating someone becomes a trend it becomes a problem
I feel like Millie Bobby Brown is a good example of this and it just broke my heart for a child to be getting that much hate for literally no reason. Edit: I’m pretty sure the screenshot thing is fake, correct me if I’m wrong.
@@tylerthecreatorfan55 idk if it qualifies as hate but i see tons of comments of "shes so annoying" and its for no reason?? like she "cringy" for making jokes or just being herself i did get influenced by that and thought of her as "annoying" too without knowing why but to my knowledge she hasnt done anything deserving of "hate" shes a young celebrity living her life is all i know i do think the homophobic comments can get out of hand, especially since it first started as a joke i think?? but after a while ppl saw these accusations without the context of the joke and took it to face value
She ain't ugly or even "mid looking", but her face looks a tad older than some celebrities and some people are pdf files (not literally) who hate people that are above the age of 20. It's so annoying how people call people ugly the second that they show any wrinkles
rachel got hate for saying and acting the SAME WAY male actors act about some of their roles. like robert patterson. he gets called funny for not liking his role as edward. the double standard is insane.
Is it bad that her comments made me wonder about an adaptation of Snow White where the prince was the stalker?? ...I don't think Disney would be able to get away with that though. Such a story would have to be told by another company.
I think the Robert Pattinson comparison is a little more nuanced than that. The Twilight films have been almost universally agreed upon that they're "so-bad-they're-good." While the original Disney movie is still pretty beloved by the audience the live action remake is targeted towards. Plus, she unfortunately just happened to be casted at a time when that same audience has grown tired and weary of the new wave of capitalism-driven, girl-boss feminism in media, so I think it was seen as a betrayal by the audience (+ plus the slew of other criticisms there are for that movie over casting etc.) However, I definitely agree that hatred definitely skews toward women because if a man had said what she said, he would probably be applauded.
To play devil's advocate, that isn't really a fair comparison as twilight was famously despised by many while snow white is fairly well liked. That being said it is quite stupid to hate her for bad mouthing snow white.
I used to cringe when girls (as a girl) liked popular things, i was one of those haters. Now i enjoy popular movies, make-up, and i LOVE Taylor Swift ❤ growing up makes you realise that you can enjoy whatever you want, and it's not your obligation to own anyone an explanation, or to be absolutely different from everyone else in taste. It's okay to be basic and common
exactly! things become popular for a REASON. if people didn’t enjoy it then no one would know about it. I always say if at least ONE person finds joy in a piece of media, then it was worth being made. having fun isn’t “cool” to society. but i’d rather be weird and happy than cool and miserable.
I used to be one of those girls who hated makeup cause I couldn’t make it look good compared to my sister. Now I love doodling on my face. It’s so fun to do
I really resound with this! Your first sentence describes exactly how I felt (and sometimes continue feeling, but I'm ~depacking/unlearning~ that) when I saw popular people at my school follow trends. I defined those people based on their following trends for their popularity instead of the activity or person themself, which made me a not fun/amiable person to be around. Now that I'm trying these activities out for myself, they're being fun (Taylor Swift too, trying out aesthetic styles and trendy clothes, etc.), and I hope that by branching out I'll be able to become a better person to be around (both with others.. and myself!).
With it being confirmed as not about her** Olivia literally talked about what inspired that song and it was completely unrelated to her or Sabrina, people heard that, said "well, she's lying" and kept sending death threats, that's crazy. I can't believe the amount of ppl that make scandals and when the person literally comes out to clarify it they just say they're lying and literally act like they know better somehow and keep hating insanely. It's sick!
@@jrlombardi5251I mean, artists do lie to prevent hate, but I'm not defending the fans. It's not anyone but Olivia and whoever the song is about's business!
Disney channel originals definitely give “not like other girls,” having us think that not being mainstream makes you interesting. Like Jess from Starstruck, girl was hostile towards Sterling’s character for no reason other than because he was famous
YES I’m so glad someone else noticed this. Women being popular / feminine was demonized constantly in Disney movies. All the villains in movies with female leads were very similar
The hate that Rachel got was beyond ridiculous. Sure, as a Snow White fan, I didn’t like what she said about the original movie, but what she said doesn’t take away from the fact that she’s really talented, nor does it define her as a person. I still really enjoy her as an actress and I hope that she rises above the hate and has a successful career
exactly! I recently was in a comment thread about her and this man quite literally compared her to Hitler. I had to get off the internet because wtf are these people on???
I know people saying shes a disgusting person is just too far...I"m glad the hate toward her is finally dying down after Ballad has come out @@torijeri
Honestly i hate those people so much. Then are so gullible. She has a contract and was paid by Disney to say all those things, cause its a press and she's an actor. Yall think an indie actor could direct an entire movie?? She doesn't follow the things that she says, she never meant that. She literally has been playing fragile and feminine characters and has a boyfriend irl. Leave Rachel. Dont hate her cause you hate disney, she is just a pawn.
@@torijerino but seriouslyy, the internet is so toxic sometimes and it genuinely makes me worry for the future of society, like why were ppl bullying her for an interview clip where all she said is that Snow White wasn’t very feminist..
Just so everyone in the future knows, I liked Emily _before_ she was uncool. That's right, I'm so contrarian that I reject the cool contrarians years before they feel the need to tell everyone how uncool the cool celebrity is. Yep I'm so contrary that it wraps around to inverse hipsterdom; those mainstream hipsters want to like things before they're cool, but I like things before they're uncool so I'm even more special and unique. Go ahead and hate me, haters. See you in 2027 when Emily's triple-homicide and cannibalism charges are dropped because she's a pretty and well-loved celebrity who's suddenly hated by an unlikely alliance of the mainstream and contrarian audiences, I'll be here being so ironic it's unironic. Love you Emily
yeah, pretty much. it's just like the "pick me" and "not like the other girls" types; they just wanna seem quirky and different to get attention and validation. it's actually really sad tbh.
Yep. If you were born into this world, you are already different because nobody else can be YOU. But seemingly everyone is trying to be different, and that only makes you the same as all the rest. Just be you, and then you have nothing else to worry about.
Advertising the fact that you're different is definitely is a bit problematic, but many people just like more obscure/ different things. I don't like pop music not because it's popular, but because it just doesn't do it for me. I was one of two kids from my class that played basketball while everyone else played handball. I was the only one who loved history. I didn't do all that because I just had to be different and edgy, I just ended up liking different stuff than most other people.
It definitely is skewed toward women. The only guy I can think of that got a ton of unwarranted hate was Wyatt Russell. All he did was play the US Soldier in that Falcon and the Winter Soldier show, and he got so many death threats bc of his CHARACTER.
@@mischavanasperen3063 Bieber had a huge young female fanbase. We all know anything associated with teen girls immediately gets negativity. Look at what some people are saying about Timothee Chalamet. Luckily he got cast in Dune, or he’d be called a twink that ruined masculinity by the same insecure idiots.
This is what Disney and the writers want with this new Snow White. I feel like it’s audiences way to hate on the company executives but they don’t know their faces but they know who Rachel is. It’s just easier for them 🤷🏽♀️
Fr I personally I am not interested in the movie so I m just not gonna watch it. Why the need of hate. If it's a flop then too bad for Disney no need to go further than that
@@lime5973 true I remember scrolling through twitter and people were complaining about Velma getting a second season. Someone tweeted we did this we should have avoided it like Ghostbusters 2016 by not supporting it.
There’s been a strange and small hate train against Zendaya for the past couple of years, just because she’s popular and people see her as beautiful. Like it’s a bit ridiculous
the zendaya hate train makes no sense cause she never does nothing, aside of work and promotional stuff for said work she's always minding her own business like ???
@@dan.dandan exactly, I think that it was just a mix of misogyny and racism from certain people online that wanted to take her down a peg because “they didn’t get why she was so popular” or “they didn’t see her as beautiful”. Like the hate train started right before the Margot Robbie hate train and they ended up being mashed together. “She’s mid” became a weird trend.
@@heysilly1341 heavy on racism cause I've seen way too much shit said about her being "unattractive" SPECIALLY after the spidey movies like that whole "why is mj black" fiasco back then. it's been getting weirder these past couple of months (even after she's only really been active for projects and not much else), and the margot situation sweet lord ppl online are just insane really. specially on twitter, thats a rabid hole fr
@@dan.dandanI remember someone saying she was just a sjw and nobody cared about her. It was before she became this well-known. Just because at the time, she stand out for hzrszlf when someone said her dreadlocks (which were not even dreadlocks I think) were ugly and dirty (which they were not).
I remember this so vividly with Jenna Ortega. Everyone and their mother loved her when Wednesday came out and a couple of months after everyone started hating on her because she is "ungrateful" for talking about the downsides of being an actress, "rude" or "boring" just for being calm and not speaking a lot, and the whole latina discourse. But oh boy nothing beats the time when she was being attacked for SMOKING 😭
It took me a while to realize that I did in fact like the color pink, jewelry, makeup, dresses and skirts, and high heels, and that it didn't change me as a person
it's always really nice to hear about people growing out of their "pick me" and not like the other girls" phase. good for you, honestly. i'm glad that you got older and a bit wiser, and realized just how ridiculous that sort of mindset really is.
I'M SOOO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE ROMAN EMPIRE THING 😭😭😭 I'm male and watching all the people saying they think about it x times a week or day was so cringe. To me it felt like people were wanting to say they thought about it more to appear a certain way, but I have no clue for what and why. I just don't believe that, that many people are thinking about the Roman Empire that frequently, it's a random topic and largely irrelevant to every day life to be thinking about that much imo.
fr, omg! the only way i would ever believe that is if they have an interest in ancient history, or if they're neurodivergent and the Roman Empire is a special interest or hyperfixation of theirs. no way will i ever believe that the average neurotypical guy is just walking through his daily life thinking about Ancient Rome for literally no reason!
As a guy I totally agree with you. When I heard about the "How many times do you think about the Roman Empire" thing I thought it was stupid. "Who does that?" I wondered. Then you had all these guys saying "Several times a day" and I'm like "WTF? Why?" I honestly don't believe it for an instant. Guys don't do that. It is just asinine. I think the guys who responded that way were just joking.
I honestly don't really care about the Roman Empire that much, Ancient Greece is way more interesting to me anyways and the Romans pretty much copied them. But more on that, it's plausible that there are people who genuinely do enjoy ancient history so they will think about those societies often. The other alternative is that they're Nazis who fantasize about some BS like "fall of the West" or some other dog whistles like that.
@@negligible_reality exactly. Like it's probably some people's niche interest, but it's NICHE. Not something almost every man is thinking about, it's so weird that people were saying they think about it so much 😭
I used to be a pick me and hated anything “ mainstream” and it was only bc I had no friends, was insecure and wanted to be praised and loved. Not a great time in my life tbh lol
Same! I used to not like certain friendshises anymore, because they got really popular, even though I had loved them :( Luckily I see it different now, I think it is great that so many people can enjoy and feel what I feel from the same friendshise (sorry if I spelt friendshise wrong btw). Great btw . that you got out of that phase! Everyone has some weird phases
The Rachel Zegler hate has gotten completely out of control. I think she’s an incredible singer and a great up and coming actor, and that she honestly didn’t do anything too bad. Yes, she did make a comment about the original Snow White film that some people didn’t like (I personally kind of agree with the some points) but Robert Pattinson (who I also think is great!) has been actively shading Twilight ever since he starred in it. People can be critical of media and it’s not like she hurt anybody. The double standard is unreal.
@@NotSubairDo you think that she demanded to change the story? The studio changed it and then hired her; I don’t understand why you’re blaming her for a creative decision that she likely had no option in, she just said her opinion on that choice
@@NotSubair If you don't like the fact that the story has been changed, criticize the WRITERS & PRODUCERS of the film all you want. An actor rarely has creative control over films. Are you dumb or are you dumb?
Honestly, I kind of dislike her because of the overexposure, but that’s not really on her, it’s more of a casting thing. But she really doesn’t need hate directed towards her for simply taking a role. I can understand feeling tired of constantly seeing her in the media, but now that half that media alone is hate on her, I just feel really bad for her. Keep in mind, I don’t think I’ve seen a single thing she’s been in. Same with ScarJo; I was over exposed and all of a sudden I hated seeing her face on another cover, but I simply rolled my eyes and walked away, no hate comments involved. And now that the media frenzy around her has died down, I can find that I like her personality and I hope her all the best.
Yeah, that's pretty accurate actually. And then when it's pointed out they go on about how it's ok to send death threats to celebrities because they're rich??? Weirdo behavior imo.
oh my god YES i've always felt so icky seeing people hate on women celebrities for seemingly no reason and you're right it's so clearly rooted in misogyny (that plus being "not like the other girls" which you kind of touched on)
@@bajabl People should've attacked Ariana's new boyfriend instead of her! He was the one married to a woman with a child! Ariana was married but childless
I really like Rachel. I think she is so talented, nice and well spoken. It makes me sad that she gets all this hate that she doesn't deserve. Most of the criticism towards her is actually stuff that is a disney problem. Like people complaining that princesses are too "girlboss" now and the feminism in Disney movies is forced and even anti-feminist sometimes. Some of those things are completely valid, but it's not Rachel's fault. She probably doesn't have any say at all in these matters.
@@NotSubair you said it yourself. Disney most likely tells her what to say. Yet it's her who gets the hate, not Disney. Therefore, in my opinion, she is an excellent example of getting hate for now reason. Additionally I don't agree with all you said about Disney either, but that's a whole different argument. In general, critique companies and larger movements, not individuals.
@@NotSubairMmmm... I don't know if I quite understand what you are saying. Rachel is an actress, so obviously press tours/interview are part of her job. Disney pays her to attend these events. As for Disney forcing her to say things: Of course Disney doesn't literally force her. However they are her boss, so if they tell her what to do/say she most likely will do it to stay on good terms with them. This is kinda like with any other job. Or maybe even a bit "worse", since Disney does have a big influence and being on bad terms with them would probably hinder future opportunities.
@@NotSubair There is definitely some truth in what you are saying as well! I think you can see that Rachel is still quite inexperienced and would need a (better) PR Team. However, probably no one expected the sheer amount of hate a few comments would cause. (And again, in my opinion undeserved/misguided hate) Anyway, I appreciate that you were nice and had good points, I often just get people who at some point start throwing insults if our opinions differ. Not everyone needs to agree, but one can at least stay kind.
The problem is that Rachel herself admitted she was unfamiliar with the original movie, and talked down the original Snow White character. It felt like she was punching down on the 1930s Snow White to prop up her own which is the antithesis of feminism IMHO. The original Disney Snow White is very for it's time, but that's still not a reason to write off a 14-year-old girl who went through some pretty horrific stuff (a murder attempt by a family member, getting lost in the woods, and then being killed). Rachel even says the Prince was "stalking" Snow White, when really the guy was basically a walking deus ex machina. Someone mentioned before that many are getting really tired of the capitalistic girl-bossification right out of 2012 of Disney Princesses right now, and that's very true. Female characters don't have to be this way to be considered "strong". Being kind is not weak, and being brave and confident does not mean you need to be an asshole. This is why the 2015 remake of Cinderella is the only remake that works on pretty much all counts. That being said, Rachel is young. I think she just needs some media training, and maybe time to grow up and learn nuance.
I was so sad about the hate Rachel was getting :( I’ve watched her UA-cam channel since she had like 100 followers, I felt like I was watching my little sister achieve her dreams when she got Maria in West Side Story. She is so ridiculously talented and kind-there’s a reason why her cast mates always speak so highly of her. She’s a really lovely person and didn’t deserve the hell she was put through in 2023😩
it always baffles me when people stop enjoying things just because it became popular, especially when it comes to an artist....like do you not want your favorite artist to become successful lol
THIS!! People complaining about their favorite artist's music being popular on TikTok (which is a MUSIC app) will always confuse me, if you really like that artist you would be happy for them
I do want my favourite artists to get the money, fame and accolades they deserve. But speaking for myself, I don't want to lose them to the capitalist machine where they charge insane amounts for records and merch and only play arena level shows. Would they even need my individual support at they point?
To be fair, some of it is probably people liking something and then having their tastes/likes change.Like some people are genuine trend hoppers, but what we like doesn't have to be what we like forever. Or there are haters/dislikers who were never to begin with and it's more counter-culture about finding community/sense of relief that you aren[t the only one who doesn't like something everyone won't shut up about.
@@wombat4583 i totally agree i was just talking about the people who stop liking things stricly because it's popular, i've had friends like that who want all their interests to be niche and different and it's so silly in my opinion
Everyone supports you and loves you until you become successful. Then bitterness, jealousy, and resentment grow, and people try to take you down into their self-made misery. Whether it's fabricating lies and scandals, or attacking you directly, they can't handle you not being the person THEY want you to be. Instead of improving themselves, they try to gain some sort control over their own life by instead controlling you. There's this song called "Everybody supports women" by Sofia Isella that perfectly summarizes everything this video says.
Alot of this is just another symptom of being hyper-online, I used get so invested in internet celeb drama, I remember when I was young I was defending all the youtubers I would watch 💀,Years later, like why was I so invested, I should've been focusing on something more important. But then I started taking my meds for adhd+SSRI, and they literally been live saver, its such a harsh reality check making you realize that you could be doing something fun instead of being a negative shithead online and IRL. So take your meds
Im just not able to hate "the popular thing" just for its popularity, in the same way I can't imagine trying to "gatekeep" something that is niche or new and not very popular just to be one of the few that were there "from the beginning". Like, if i find a new band or artist with few followers i immediately show it to my friends or try to find other fans,,, loving something (specially art) gets lonely pretty fast when you have no one to gush about it with
As someone who likes a lot of unpopular things, it does get pretty lonely not having anyway to rave about the thing with. And due to the unpopularity of the things I like, like old sitcoms for example, I tend not to share them with anyone because I’m embarrassed of no one else knowing it. I don’t understand people who brag about being the only person to like something, I’m too embarrassed. 😅
THIS!!!! I’ve always liked things like doctor who or sci-fi stuff and none of my friends liked it and it was always so lonely cus I had to enjoy it alone. I lived on the internet growing up cus that was the only place I could find others who liked the same things I did.
honestly it's lonely for me even liking more popular things because the fanbases are always absolutely unhinged. i was really into the simpsons for a while and the loudest people were constantly wishing violence on lisa, the fictional 8 year old. i hate it cause i do love talking about my interests, but there's no way i can trust a conversation like that to go well anymore unless it's with my friends directly.
When a woman hates another woman for no particular reason, most of the time they would accuse the female celeb of being a “pick me girl” and run with it
"I always knew" happens with shows too. If a show starts off good and goes off the rails or has a terrible finale, a bunch of people will go "Oh, look at all these idiots being surprised that a show that was always terrible had a terrible ending." And I've personally seen people doing this who I knew used to like it when everyone else liked it because I follow them and saw their fannish tweets/posts about it back then!
anyone else notice how even when male celebs or any other form of media do receive unwarranted hate it’s mostly when they have a predominantly female fan base? like one direction, bts or any other kpop group, romance genres, etc
Tbh the consumers of media articles pertaining to celebrities are predominantly female. All the examples of hate towards actresses/celebrities, I was completely unaware of until just now.
To clarify, I think your question highlights where the unwarranted hate comes from. A large portion of the population could care less. The hate comes from people who have an interest in the jubject matter
That “dry hands” joke in your skit made me actually laugh out loud. I always knew you’d have dry hands. The moment I saw you I was like “this girl has dry hands. don’t trust her”
"i never liked them" and "finally we can admit theyre ugly/untalented" are two of my pet peeves like maybe soemtimes they're true sure whatever but if someones Actually done something shitty why is that your priority 💀 and people will say that shit about a woman who idk breathed too forcefully in an interview
The amount of people that I've met with the mentality of hating everything and everyone that's mainstream for no reason is insane- Its especially aggravating when they make it their whole personality. It's kind of draining when all they do is just spew hate
literally what’s happening with taylor swift rn, they’re saying she’s “overreacting” because some sexist host made a joke about her and she took a sip of her drink and just gave him a blank stare like?? even if she threw the drink on him she would still be underreacting.
People are hating on her specifically because of The Eras Tour being extremely successful. This happened during Reputation Tour as well and people went back to loving her after the tour ended. As an old swiftie, I'm actually able to see patterns of hate trains through out her life. It really comes and goes like this. Many people are pretending to not like TTPD double album but in a few months its gonna become "one of her best albums ever😭"
@@RandomSwiftie13have you seen that one red haired guy with the suit?? He’s super annoying and when he found about the AI images of Taylor he said “oh my god WHO CARES?” He also made a video about how her new album is horrible and unoriginal, yeah suuuuuuure, and who’s the one with over fifty million subscribers? Not him that’s for sure
I was operating under the assumption that the hate is more to do with the obscene amounts of wealth. After all it is impossible to make a billion dollars without being a dodgy bastard to at least some extent.
Look, I never vibed all that much with Taylor Swift, but you know what I think when I hear someone say they find comfort in her music? I think “Hell yeah, I’m glad you found something you love!” Nothing is more metal than hugs and kisses, my friends.
It's really telling how the popular to hated examples in the beginning are artists/actors loved by teen girls, which we all know everyone (mostly men) have to hate things that teen girls like
THANK YOU for talking about the Rachel Zegler hate, I absolutely LOVE her and the amount of hate she was getting was insane and completely uncalled for.
It's truly insane how most of the hated mainstream things are mostly liked by girls in their teens. Also am I crazy or is the melody that starts to play at 9:50 the intro from a Shiadanni song?
yeah, that's sadly been a trend for a long time now. mainstream culture LOVES to hate on things that are popular with teenage girls! it all gets written off as "cringe" or "stupid", and it's honestly so sad. why can't we let girls enjoy things too???
im a grown man who likes bts and so many people have mocked me for it, i also like to play slower paced games, i also like pastel purples and pinks and blues, seems like anything associated with women (esp younger women) is bad
I always get nervous when a (usually female) celebrity I like gets really popular because 90% of the time eventually a hate train comes for them like taylor swift/jennie/wonyoung. Like I love lily from nmixx and everyone else seems to love her too and now I'm genuinely nervous for her future because I just know people will turn on her.
I kinda relate to the “having haters means your more popular” sorta vibe. I’m a hs trans athlete and one father of a team I was against was upset that we won (I barely played that game, so I didn’t “carry” my team, even if I did play more I’m worse than other people in my position) but this dad decided to blame me for his team losing. Anyway he ended up going to a newspaper, doxing me, and putting me all over the internet, which even if u don’t like trans people, doxing a 15 year old is SOMETHING. Ig to keep me going through the hate I just had the thought process of “they wouldn’t be hating me if they didn’t think I was good”. So it’s kinda funny that Emily mentioned it because if I used that thought process, celebrities DEFINITELY do.
That’s SOOO messed up. Some grown people have so much hate in their hearts and are so insecure that they feel threatened by anyone with any sort of talent. I’m sorry you had to go through that, that’s very traumatic. I’m glad you got through it though, that alone you should be proud of. you’re probably one hell of an athlete as well.
honestly i think a lot of media made for a female audience falls under this the most which is why so many girls and young women feel the need to be "different"
my former best friend was the perfect example of people "hating everything just because it is popular". when I told her I like Taylor Swift she really said "no, she is too hyped, and if everyone likes it, I don't." I could go down the psychology road of why some people desperately search reasons to be "special", but honestly, it is one of MANY reasons why we are no longer friends and it was one aspect of her own insecurity. it is absolutely okay to not like things that are popular, because YOU do not like them, not because many other people like it or because it is popular. There is a reason why things are popular and, of course, I had my fair share of things where I asked myself "why do people like that?", but I certainly no longer judge them for liking something I don't. some people need to feel special, but almost all of them do not know that hating on something doesn't make you interesting. often, it just makes you look petty. what makes you really interesting is just being you, not because you hate on something that is popular for the sake of hating it. my advice, if you don't like something, let it go, ignore it, and keep petty and hateful comments to yourself. if you like something, be supportive about it, but don't start worshipping it like a damn deity (as some people seem to do with not only actors or celebrities, but also with media). always be critical and careful about the things you read, see and hear on the internet, but doing that doesn't mean you cannot enjoy the hell out of it.
I have a very similar story as you but my person that doesn't like Taylor Swift because she is "too famous" was my cousin brother. He changed his mind on her after she dropped folklore in 2020 just like most people 🫠
a bit off topic (?) but something annoying is the way you'll find people on tiktok for example losing it because their favourite song from their unknown underground artist that they were gatekeeping so hard 'got tiktokified🥺' ..and the song is by nirvana, just the most popular 90s band that majority have heard of/know
unwarranted hate almost always stems from jealousy. people find it easier to hate a celeb for being successful instead of attempting to be successful (or more successful) themselves. IMO anyway.
I'll admit as someone on the spectrum that I have a LOT of VERY niche interests. And you know what? I think it's cool to have niche interests bc usually it's something u know a lot about and want to tell ppl about and I want to hear all about your obscure knowledge! I also as far as music like to collect music from really small bands bc I like how they sound of course but I also want to be one of their og fans that spreads them around so they get more popular! On that note if you read this far go check out these bands: The Funeral Portrait, Gum Disease, Lease Agreement, Letters For The Oddities, Orthodox, Varials, Not Enough Space, Dark Divine, Yasmin Nur
Whole my middle and high school I was “not like other girls” and only listened to rock-metal bands and now in my twenties I experienced identity crisis when I discovered how good Taylor Swifts lyrics are and now I absolutely love her and all my friends are very confused
If it's lyrics you care about, you had ought to give folk music a go. There is alot of heart in most folk songs, especially those adapted from poetry and some lyrics can send a shiver down one's spine. For example in Redgum's song Long Run they sing, "Australia marched out of Vietnam Out on the streets against Uncle Sam, We won the fight, it was a long one" (These lines pack a punch if you are familiar with the abusive marriage that is US-Australia relations) Or, sticking to the Vietnam theme, in Dave Van Ronk's anti-war song Luang Prabang he sings, "When I came back from Luang Prabang, I didn't have a thing where my balls used to hang, But I got a wooden medal and a fine harangue Now I'm a fucking hero Mourn your dead land of the free If you want to be a hero, follow me, Mourn your dead land of the free If you wanna be a hero, follow me" And just to give an example that isn't related to the Vietnam war, in the song The Peat Bog Soldiers, which is an English translation of a German song written from inside a concentration camp by German socialists (by which I mean the actual socialists, who the pretend socialists incharge at the time wanted dead), there is the stanza, "But for us there is no complaining, Winter will in time be past. One day we will cry rejoicing. Homeland, dear, you're mine at last. Then will the Peat Bog Soldiers, March no more with their spades to the moor."
i've noticed that people will hype up a smaller artist (especially music artists) but as soon as the artist become popular, it becomes annoying to like them. i've never understood that but i hadn't though of it possibly being from overexposure (ive got thinking to do)
i found your channel recently and it’s refreshing to see someone point things out i’ve been noticing for a long time. i grew up enjoying either really popular things or really obscure/nerdy things and both would result in some sort of bullying for being “basic” or “weird” so i just stopped caring about what other people think about my interests. they bring me joy and that’s all that matters. i also think it’s made media more enjoyable for me cus i never search for nonexistent reasons to hate something in order to be seen as cool.
YESS THE WHOLE "I'VE NEVER LIKED THEM" SCARES ME SO MUCH. Tell why you didn't like them, when they gave you no reason to do it so. They're just trying to be different at this point 💀. Literally I've seen this been said to every celebrity "downfall", no one is saved. I wonder if there's someone in my circle who's waiting for my downfall to say something like that.
I do think she's cringe and a mid actress at best, but the way people were talking about her made it look like she burned down an orphanage and danced on the ashes
@@brandonizaguirre2963Yall are so gullible. She has a contract and was paid by Disney to say all those things, cause its a press and she's an actor. Yall think an indie actor could direct an entire movie?? She doesn't follow the things that she says, she never meant that. She literally has been playing fragile and feminine characters and has a boyfriend irl. Leave Rachel. Dont hate her cause you hate disney, she is just a pawn.
Glad you've touched upon Rachel, I don't know much about her besides her being good at musical theater, but the amount of reactionary propaganda that uses her as the face of the "woke libs" they hate so cultishly, and the truly bizarre anger people direct at her for a harmless opinion is honesty so shocking yet oddly unsurprising. People love rage bait and joining a mob, but the thing is criticism of her has always been so inconsistent that its baffling, for some she's too dark and somehow racist against white people (lol) for taking a role in a german fairytale, for others she's too white to call herself latina (despite it being a diaspora based ethnicity category, not a race) and for others she's too american to call herself latina (despite the fact that latino has almost always referred to diaspora and expats, not latin americans living within LATAM) and somehow offending many online latinamericans by calling herself that (especialmente mexicanos y argentinos), while not speaking any language spoken here which again, people have never before had an issue with, since again latino/a was typically about diaspora once (many latin americans calling for the casting of a "whiter" latina to prove that we can be white and worthy). It's all soooo silly, and when it comes to the fairytale movie (that she's starring in alongside a woman who vocally supports genocide) is that, it's been a part of pop culture to poke fun at how creepy and unrealistic most 50s disney movies would be IRL, and how dated they are to the american ideals of the 1950s (not its realities, only a romanticized version) like the fact that this teenage girl got married to a much older prince she barely knew or how silly it is that she was living with 7 strangers and etc, but somehow when its someone deemed "woke" and therefore an enemy or "undesirable" it's suddenly the most disrespectful sight and a transgression against beloved culture. It's hypocritical and tribalistic.
i couldn’t have said it better myself. not to mention snow white was either 13 or 14 in the story which makes the entire story really predatory inherently. I’m also glad you brought up the Latino discussion because as a Mexican it has been exhausting to see people fighting each other over who is worthy enough to label themselves as such when that’s just simply not how it works. It’s the same with Jenna Ortega too. People online act like they have authority over the entirety of Latin America, which is ridiculous when you realize it’s prob a 17 year old in their bedroom ranting online.
Im surprised people are so gullible. They think this unknown actress made a billion dolla company direct snow white?? She has been playing female leads who are feminine and fragile. Why was it that evey single actor was saying the same things she said? Cause disney paid them, thats their job, they have a contract to do whatever disney says. All the no prince no romance and everything she said is not something she wanted to, but she was made too. If they hate cancel culture, why are they doing the same bandwagons???
THANK YOU! The way people act like a mild criticism of an old Disney movie is the highest form of disrespect deserving of utmost punishment. Also, they love to call her “bratty”. Weirds me out
@@ChoRen and the weirdest part too is that most of the people saying these things are like 30/40 year olds who care WAAAY too much about this 20 year old. once i saw this 40 year old woman write a damn near dissertation in someone’s comment section about how Rachel is a Narcissist, and the whole time it was her projecting her own shit onto her. These people are truly pathetic.
i do want to say that the prince being some much older guy in his 30s is a myth. specific ages are never stated in the film, but they're both supposed to be teenagers. however, disney didn't have much experience with animating realistic humans at the time, and i don’t think their references were always 1:1 design wise so they don’t look exactly their age. they don’t get married at the end either, just walk off into the sunset (although there is wedding snow merch it was just made up for sales.). also, snow white was released in the 30s, not the 50s, so it was taken a lot more seriously as it was the first time people really saw more realistic animation- the emotional moments were celebrated as part of the escapism. so while snow is not some great feminist role model, her persevering kindness and the unrealistic/fantastical nature of the story was serving a purpose. i'm not saying that disney movies are undeserving of criticism- far from it- but the ways in which their films are considered problematic by the general public are usually based on misconceptions that get further warped by a very surface level understanding of both feminism and animation as a medium. and this in turn has made disney overcorrect things that were never really issues, keeping men in the director's chair while trying to be self-aware about how their princesses are totally not like other girls now instead of doing the work to understand how they could actually improve. it sucks because the conservative backlash over this usually causes liberals to support the movie out of spite when the movie isn't even saying anything worthwhile. totally agree with you about the casting of rachel herself though. it sucks that people are being critical because a younger actress used disney's pr talking points a little messily instead of the fact that an actual whole-hearted zionist is her costar. sorry for the super long reply, i’m very passionate about animation history so i tend to talk a lot in that department!
I love how when public figures and breathed the wrong way or celebrities get hate for women she literally just didnt smile on a red carpet or something and for a man its like he commited a heinous crime. The casual sexism of it all drives me insane and god forbid it's a teenage girl she doesn't stand a chance, society hates teenage girls and ridicules anything they enjoy. Side note: Ive been watching emily for a while now and I love the skits sm they always add a little extra to the video and the commitement to the bit is 10/10
it’s like so annoying when people think they are so cool and ‘not like other girls’ just for not liking something that’s very mainstream/popular, just like others like what you like?!!?!!
I’m a little high rn and I’m literally so antisocial that you started introducing someone and I was thinking “nooo, no new people rn” but then it turned out to just be yourself and I was so relieved.
I love the "Devil's advocate" thing you got going but I also have a list of names. Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee, and Leonard Nimoy. These men have the kind of humility you just don't see anymore. P.s. love that you started cursing. Good comedic effect.
I was SO Fucking guilty of this. That whole "I'm not mainstream" thing. I was a loser and had no friends, so it was understandable. Now that I understand the need for communal relationships, I'm better. But though, in defense of the whole mainstream narrative, I think a genuine reason someone can have for disliking something going mainstream rather than the "I'm not like other girls" stereotype or the "pick me, I'm weird" guy stereotype is: Sometimes when some TV shows or movies go mainstream, they can lose their original meaning. Like for example, the Cyberpunk genre, when it started, it was more Philosophical and had a lot of political messaging in it's stories and the representation it got on media in the 80's. It became mainstream as at the 90's, which again, to it's credit, saw a surge of remarkable Cyberpunk stories and media. However... As time went on into the 2000's and the present, Cyberpunk as a genre is now somewhat dying because many companies are only interested in replicating the aesthetics (which I still fucking love so much), and doing less of the Philosophical commentary and messaging. Sure, it's not really that bad, I'm not a gatekeeper, but it's a subtle change. So yeah, at the end I still agree with you hating something for being mainstream because it's mainstream is just hyper-Individualistic cringe, and it's embarrassing. Having a niche interest isn't even that great to begin with, you have to find people who can relate(and I suffered and continue to suffer from it till today). Having niche interests is nothing unique or "weird" or "remarkable", any niche thing anyone can think of has a massive fanbase, it's just a lack of knowledge about it, and it's lack of mainstream. Doesn't make it unique. The most annoying part of it is when it turns into some sort of dumb competition about superiority of taste in art, main character syndrome (like you wouldn't be going to comment on something you hate if you hate it, why bother?), Intellectual gatekeeping ("Rick and Morty" Cringe period of Szechuan Sauce), and just toxicity. It's obnoxious. Our Capitalistic Hellscape of a world has made many of us believe we are rugged heroes from many of Ayn Rand's terrible books. Nice video again, as usual.❤ Your acting just illustrated how dumb this whole thing of "mainstream" vs. "niche" is.
One hate train that will always get me was the hate train for Anne Hathaway (my queen) in the 2000s-2010s because she was “too nice” and people thought she was “fake.” 😭😭😭 They can never make me hate you Anne, you’re mother.
1:44 sometimes with actresses, people hate the character for whatever reason, and then they attack the actress instead. Which is wild, but I guess some people just want to see the likeness of the character suffer :(
That’s a different phenomenon, although it does speak to internet people’s disconnection from reality and lack of empathy. Like people hated the guy who played Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Kudos to him for such a well-done portrayal, sadface for at those people because REALLY?!?
Okay as an observation, I've noticed that there are people (like myself) who aren't trying to be niche, but have some kind of mental block where, if someone actively asks us to watch or like something, it's like, physically painful to go and do that. Like how it's harder to do chores if someone asks you to do them? And it's rarely a problem, but obvi when stuff gets popular, people are like "omg you should watch/read/listen to this" and its like well now I don't want to? So it's not intentional nicheness it's just, ,, a response to being asked to like something? Usually it doesn't end up being personal to an actor or director tho, it just blocks interaction with media. Do other people get this?
1:34 harry styles is literally the only man to get unwarranted hate and genuinely upsetting behaviour thrown his way on the same level as a woman. He’s been persecuted (and in some cases exploited) by not just the public, but the media and several people in the industry he’s never done anything to as well
I always worry I come across as pretentious or trying to be "different" because I actually do have kind of niche interests. Like I actually do listen to music that isn't on spotify that nobody I know irl has ever heard of. I also don't really watch TV very often so there are a lot of popular shows I've never seen. There are a few popular things I like too, though, and those are what I usually tell people about.
I actually get so happy when my favorite artist gets recognized because solya only has a few thousand monthly listeners on Spotify but she definitely deserves more!
emily, you are literally so funny 😭 i kept having full on belly laughs with this video, and while you were speaking the truth too!! it is insane how so many people just wanna be quirky and different for the sake of it 💀 like i love my foreign black and white independent movies that you can only watch on a shady website that doesn't even have subtitles, but oh my GOD learn to have fun for once in your life 😭
People who are anti-mainstream are really doing themselves a disservice. To be able to bond and/or geek over something you like with others is such a nice feeling!
10:13 in adolescence, there’s a phenomenon found by lifespan development psychologists where they found that teens tell themselves and others Self Fables. those are just things like i’m the biggest fan of this band and that makes me different from everyone and so on. and the internet has really has fed into that need for individuality.
I remember being popular in a small group on facebook in like 2014. It was a weird/interesting situation because it was just a bunch of shitposting. But the slight popularity garnered a stalker and tons of hate mail & harassment. People would act rude or ghost, but turn around and bully because people stopped giving them attention.
As someone who hyper fixates on literally everything I have an interest in, it shatters my heart when it’s not popular because then I can’t watch fan content of it for hours on end 💔
As someone who is very guilty of hating on 'popular' music, I feel like its more related to wanting to experience something others aren't or discovering a new sound for a lot of people But i feel like people not listening to certain genres bc it's 'too mainstream' is very real and kind of a cringe mindset
I am starting a band called the Taiwanese Vegetable Brigade right now: we shall drum upon the hollowed husks of root vegetables and march about in the wilderness. no profiles on any streaming apps, that's basic. No live performances, or any performances at all because that would be, you guessed it... BASIC. Recruiting: anyone who isn't basic and MAINSTREAM
i hate how in kpop there's this "period of hate to a random girl group" to people that literally did nothing wrong, also cause haters be cherry picking anything and reaching so hard just to hate on them😭😭 i seriously need this to stop
I may be feeding into this very thing but, as someone who has always felt outcast, I get excited when I actually get and enjoy something that others like. I usually just don't get it and I feel like I'm missing out.
I’m a dude that comes to Emily’s channel outta curiosity of women’s problems and trends to be able to relate to people better. People are weird. It makes me glad my feed is only memes, video games and music.
Astonished at the people defending “hating” celebrities they don’t even know because of one thing they see as false or hypocritical. You want to disapprove of Taylor Swift’s use of private jets? Ok, whatever. But making the jump to thinking she’s some kind of monster over it is just ridiculous.
Hola! Comentario en español También algo que note es que casi siempre este odio crece mucho cuando se trata de algo que tiene un publico o quiénes lo consunen mas son mujeres. Un buen ejemplo fue que tuvieron mucha popularidad las peliculas de Barbie y Oppenheimer pero sólo vi un hate muy grande hacia la película de barbie. Es como si a las personas en general les enseñaran a odiar todo lo que tenga que ver con lo femenino y lo que esté relacionado al gusto de las mujeres
A couple thoughts: - I've noticed that A LOT of celebrities are aware of "regular" people's struggles. This especially goes for celebrities who are younger or are minorities (though this is not the rule). - I consider people's negative feelings toward Jennifer Lawrence's quirkiness and tomboy-ish nature to be just as bad as people being weird about gitls/woman who are "too girly." - I'm annoyed by some famous women's personalities and decisions- like Rachel Zegler - but that does not mean I hate them or even dislike their work. Honestly, so many people - famous or not - just want to judge and hate people.
oh this is so true 😭😭 for example: when people who were once fans of something/someone suddenly turn against it/them as soon as it/they becomes more popular and accepted by the general public - because it’s no longer their niche little interest anymore - and they even feel the need to loudly announce their departure from a fandom, for instance. i’ve seen it in real time soooo many times as an army. the army to anti pipeline is so real, it’s crazy 💀
I'm not an army anymore bc i was getting bored of them BUT I WILL NEVER HATE THEM They has a lot of good music bro 😭 Same case with blackpink,i still really love rosé tho
Wow that video was amazing!! Especially the second skit about the Taiwanese vegetable bregade (yeah some band from the suburbs will steal this name), love how detailed and scenic he described them! Lots of love!!
I love that Emily still makes videos. I never raise any expectations yet every video is better, still with the same old phone camera and 2015 vibe. Queen says so much about society
i love the people who say "i've always had a bad feeling about them..." and then the accusations turn out to be false
NAHHH
SO REAL 💀
i see this allll the time it cracks me up
OMG LUCAS FROM NCT AND WOOJIN FROM SKZ 😭
Reminds me of the ole juxtoposition of a photo next to an article about like a sex offender, and people go "yep that guy fits the bill" and then you show them the picture was for a different article that was just next to the sex offender one. People rarely ever take back their initial judgement as fact when it isn't.
not true
How sad it must be to be so popular that everyone hates you. Not sad for you, sad for them. Because they’re missing out on something potentially cool but abstaining because it’s too “basic.”
Instantly thought of that “pookie bear” guy on TikTok, people hate him for no reason.
Advice for everyone: take a break from the internet. You won't be missing out on anything important, trust me. Plus it's the internet, it's not going anywhere. Hopefully, you'll realize how little online drama matters and just enjoy doing what you love and living in the now.
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@@fenty2945like everyone liked him but then suddenly they hated him for no reason ✋😭
Thats why I hated taylor swift for so long (well it was also the few psychos that call themselves fans), but i actually tried learning about her and listening to her music and I genuinely like her now.
It takes a man to be a murderer to be hated
But it takes a woman giving someone a mean look to be hated
Wasn't there even a murderer where fans said he's too handsome to be in prison?
Even then ppl will still find ways to bend over backwards for a man
@@hysterischeshuhnchen1343to be fair those people weren't men mostly.....
and even then…
@@nickklavdianos5136there’s a lot of non-straight men. But yeah lots of woman
A lot of people will hate female celebrities just for being alive 💀
Also I don't understant that other women on dunk on female celebs being more better looking or rich that them. Like bitch stay on your own lane.
Fr tho
Can we talk about the inherent misogyny in the hatred of these females stars? It's actually really fucked up how see through it is.
yeah for example: taylor swift
@@drouzicz There are definitely a lot of haters who target Taylor solely for being a successful female musician but I would say a large portion of the criticism is also very valid.
As soon as I noticed how the concept of 'likeability' is almost only ever used for women, I notice it happening all the time. Often a woman will get really popular and then you'll hear people start hating on her for reasons such as "she just isn't very likeable" or "there's just something about her that I don't like". Likeability is always vague and obscure. You hardly ever hear people saying "I just don't like him" in reference to a male celebrity, when there is hate for a man it's usually brought on by some specific incident. A lot of hate for popular women is just misogyny, and it's so often young women in particular that are the targets. 😔
this really reminds me of a speech Taylor Swift gave at billboard’s women in music, it always really stuck out to me.
@@torijeri yes! I've seen her talk about this kind of misogyny multiple times and she has always articulated it so well
Yep and then when famous men actually do something abhorrent, they usually emerge completely unscathed and still have people blindly following them 🙄
Women more so then men yes, but it's not exclusive to them. Any celebrity who acts with a bit of arrogance or shows some other unlikable personality trait regardless of gender is quick to get hated. I don't like Timothée Chalamet for no reason in particular. He just seems smug and pisses me off, I disliked him almost immediately. But when hating someone becomes a trend it becomes a problem
and the saddest thing is it's so often young women in particular who are the haters.
I feel like Millie Bobby Brown is a good example of this and it just broke my heart for a child to be getting that much hate for literally no reason.
Edit: I’m pretty sure the screenshot thing is fake, correct me if I’m wrong.
Apparently she’s a spoiled and arrogant person though. 🫤🫤
millie bobby brown isnt really getting hate but definitely getting untrue allegations about her being phobic
@@tylerthecreatorfan55 idk if it qualifies as hate but i see tons of comments of "shes so annoying" and its for no reason?? like she "cringy" for making jokes or just being herself
i did get influenced by that and thought of her as "annoying" too without knowing why but to my knowledge she hasnt done anything deserving of "hate"
shes a young celebrity living her life is all i know
i do think the homophobic comments can get out of hand, especially since it first started as a joke i think?? but after a while ppl saw these accusations without the context of the joke and took it to face value
@@tylerthecreatorfan55 her bsf (noah) is gay
I read somewhere that she cried because she isn't homophobic and she hated that her face was being used for those "jokes" 😭 i would be crying too
remember when barbie became popular and so many people started calling MARGOT FUCKING ROBBIE “mid looking”
Honestly, beauty is subjective, and I think Margot is very pretty, but honestly, my opinion is that there are prettier women than her.
my boyfr iend the prettiest 😍
YEAH SHE'S LITERALLY A MOVIE STAR, I WANNA SEE THE PEOPLE WHO SAYS SHES UGLY
She ain't ugly or even "mid looking", but her face looks a tad older than some celebrities and some people are pdf files (not literally) who hate people that are above the age of 20. It's so annoying how people call people ugly the second that they show any wrinkles
rachel got hate for saying and acting the SAME WAY male actors act about some of their roles. like robert patterson. he gets called funny for not liking his role as edward. the double standard is insane.
Is it bad that her comments made me wonder about an adaptation of Snow White where the prince was the stalker??
...I don't think Disney would be able to get away with that though. Such a story would have to be told by another company.
I think the Robert Pattinson comparison is a little more nuanced than that. The Twilight films have been almost universally agreed upon that they're "so-bad-they're-good." While the original Disney movie is still pretty beloved by the audience the live action remake is targeted towards. Plus, she unfortunately just happened to be casted at a time when that same audience has grown tired and weary of the new wave of capitalism-driven, girl-boss feminism in media, so I think it was seen as a betrayal by the audience (+ plus the slew of other criticisms there are for that movie over casting etc.) However, I definitely agree that hatred definitely skews toward women because if a man had said what she said, he would probably be applauded.
That’s a really good comparison, I never thought about that!
Agreed@@SunOfTheRoanKingdom
To play devil's advocate, that isn't really a fair comparison as twilight was famously despised by many while snow white is fairly well liked. That being said it is quite stupid to hate her for bad mouthing snow white.
I used to cringe when girls (as a girl) liked popular things, i was one of those haters. Now i enjoy popular movies, make-up, and i LOVE Taylor Swift ❤ growing up makes you realise that you can enjoy whatever you want, and it's not your obligation to own anyone an explanation, or to be absolutely different from everyone else in taste. It's okay to be basic and common
exactly! things become popular for a REASON. if people didn’t enjoy it then no one would know about it. I always say if at least ONE person finds joy in a piece of media, then it was worth being made.
having fun isn’t “cool” to society.
but i’d rather be weird and happy than cool and miserable.
I used to be one of those girls who hated makeup cause I couldn’t make it look good compared to my sister. Now I love doodling on my face. It’s so fun to do
I really resound with this! Your first sentence describes exactly how I felt (and sometimes continue feeling, but I'm ~depacking/unlearning~ that) when I saw popular people at my school follow trends. I defined those people based on their following trends for their popularity instead of the activity or person themself, which made me a not fun/amiable person to be around. Now that I'm trying these activities out for myself, they're being fun (Taylor Swift too, trying out aesthetic styles and trendy clothes, etc.), and I hope that by branching out I'll be able to become a better person to be around (both with others.. and myself!).
EXACTLYYYY i used to be like the "im not like other girls" person and now i can quote every single taylor swift lyric ever 💀
samee❤ i love people like this
The amount of hate Sabrina Carpenter got after Driver’s License w/o anything even being confirmed was crazy
With it being confirmed as not about her**
Olivia literally talked about what inspired that song and it was completely unrelated to her or Sabrina, people heard that, said "well, she's lying" and kept sending death threats, that's crazy.
I can't believe the amount of ppl that make scandals and when the person literally comes out to clarify it they just say they're lying and literally act like they know better somehow and keep hating insanely. It's sick!
@@jrlombardi5251I mean, artists do lie to prevent hate, but I'm not defending the fans. It's not anyone but Olivia and whoever the song is about's business!
Disney channel originals definitely give “not like other girls,” having us think that not being mainstream makes you interesting. Like Jess from Starstruck, girl was hostile towards Sterling’s character for no reason other than because he was famous
Holy shit I forgot about movie. My 11 year old self’s Roman Empire.
YES I’m so glad someone else noticed this. Women being popular / feminine was demonized constantly in Disney movies. All the villains in movies with female leads were very similar
OMG that was my fav disney channel movie! thanks for reminding me brb gonna go watch
@@windowangelif it was anyone other than sterling it wouldn’t have worked
Those shown made people think that being popular feminine girl is wrong and that makes you a horrible person and even i am still suffering from that
The hate that Rachel got was beyond ridiculous. Sure, as a Snow White fan, I didn’t like what she said about the original movie, but what she said doesn’t take away from the fact that she’s really talented, nor does it define her as a person. I still really enjoy her as an actress and I hope that she rises above the hate and has a successful career
exactly! I recently was in a comment thread about her and this man quite literally compared her to Hitler. I had to get off the internet because wtf are these people on???
I know people saying shes a disgusting person is just too far...I"m glad the hate toward her is finally dying down after Ballad has come out @@torijeri
@@torijeri What the actual- the internet is insane
Honestly i hate those people so much. Then are so gullible. She has a contract and was paid by Disney to say all those things, cause its a press and she's an actor. Yall think an indie actor could direct an entire movie?? She doesn't follow the things that she says, she never meant that. She literally has been playing fragile and feminine characters and has a boyfriend irl. Leave Rachel. Dont hate her cause you hate disney, she is just a pawn.
@@torijerino but seriouslyy, the internet is so toxic sometimes and it genuinely makes me worry for the future of society, like why were ppl bullying her for an interview clip where all she said is that Snow White wasn’t very feminist..
Just so everyone in the future knows, I liked Emily _before_ she was uncool. That's right, I'm so contrarian that I reject the cool contrarians years before they feel the need to tell everyone how uncool the cool celebrity is. Yep I'm so contrary that it wraps around to inverse hipsterdom; those mainstream hipsters want to like things before they're cool, but I like things before they're uncool so I'm even more special and unique. Go ahead and hate me, haters.
See you in 2027 when Emily's triple-homicide and cannibalism charges are dropped because she's a pretty and well-loved celebrity who's suddenly hated by an unlikely alliance of the mainstream and contrarian audiences, I'll be here being so ironic it's unironic.
Love you Emily
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It's not cannibalism. That's just how we lesbians are. XD
I read this in a Batman voice to unlock the full super ultra inverse edgelord power.
@@meifennellysieu7510 You made me reread this in a Batman voice. XD
@@NeonAntjust a little aggressive 😂
WAKE UP EMILY IS HEREEEE
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I strongly believe ppl just want to be “different” just to seem more mysterious and quirky. It’s truly super cringe imo
yeah, pretty much. it's just like the "pick me" and "not like the other girls" types; they just wanna seem quirky and different to get attention and validation. it's actually really sad tbh.
Yep. If you were born into this world, you are already different because nobody else can be YOU. But seemingly everyone is trying to be different, and that only makes you the same as all the rest. Just be you, and then you have nothing else to worry about.
Advertising the fact that you're different is definitely is a bit problematic, but many people just like more obscure/ different things.
I don't like pop music not because it's popular, but because it just doesn't do it for me. I was one of two kids from my class that played basketball while everyone else played handball. I was the only one who loved history. I didn't do all that because I just had to be different and edgy, I just ended up liking different stuff than most other people.
Talking like a shithead bully
SAME PFP!!!
It definitely is skewed toward women. The only guy I can think of that got a ton of unwarranted hate was Wyatt Russell. All he did was play the US Soldier in that Falcon and the Winter Soldier show, and he got so many death threats bc of his CHARACTER.
Never heard of Justin Bieber?
@@mischavanasperen3063 Justin Bieber was using a strong hard "r" repeatedly. Please don't compare him to Wyatt Russell babe.
@@mischavanasperen3063 Bieber had a huge young female fanbase. We all know anything associated with teen girls immediately gets negativity. Look at what some people are saying about Timothee Chalamet. Luckily he got cast in Dune, or he’d be called a twink that ruined masculinity by the same insecure idiots.
For real, Ed sheeran deserves his hate. His eyes are looking through me, to catch another bug in his mouth like a chameleon.
better than no reason lmao
This is what Disney and the writers want with this new Snow White. I feel like it’s audiences way to hate on the company executives but they don’t know their faces but they know who Rachel is. It’s just easier for them 🤷🏽♀️
Fr I personally I am not interested in the movie so I m just not gonna watch it.
Why the need of hate.
If it's a flop then too bad for Disney no need to go further than that
@@lime5973 true I remember scrolling through twitter and people were complaining about Velma getting a second season. Someone tweeted we did this we should have avoided it like Ghostbusters 2016 by not supporting it.
Rachel dug her own grave lol
I'm not too upset about the reforming snow white, I'm not into Disney movies it definitely needs a update
Like a crime, or something
There’s been a strange and small hate train against Zendaya for the past couple of years, just because she’s popular and people see her as beautiful. Like it’s a bit ridiculous
the zendaya hate train makes no sense cause she never does nothing, aside of work and promotional stuff for said work she's always minding her own business like ???
@@dan.dandan exactly, I think that it was just a mix of misogyny and racism from certain people online that wanted to take her down a peg because “they didn’t get why she was so popular” or “they didn’t see her as beautiful”. Like the hate train started right before the Margot Robbie hate train and they ended up being mashed together. “She’s mid” became a weird trend.
@@heysilly1341 heavy on racism cause I've seen way too much shit said about her being "unattractive" SPECIALLY after the spidey movies like that whole "why is mj black" fiasco back then. it's been getting weirder these past couple of months (even after she's only really been active for projects and not much else), and the margot situation sweet lord ppl online are just insane really. specially on twitter, thats a rabid hole fr
@@dan.dandan honestly extremely true
@@dan.dandanI remember someone saying she was just a sjw and nobody cared about her. It was before she became this well-known. Just because at the time, she stand out for hzrszlf when someone said her dreadlocks (which were not even dreadlocks I think) were ugly and dirty (which they were not).
Maturing is realizing that there is nothing wrong with liking 'basic' or popular things.
I remember this so vividly with Jenna Ortega. Everyone and their mother loved her when Wednesday came out and a couple of months after everyone started hating on her because she is "ungrateful" for talking about the downsides of being an actress, "rude" or "boring" just for being calm and not speaking a lot, and the whole latina discourse. But oh boy nothing beats the time when she was being attacked for SMOKING 😭
It took me a while to realize that I did in fact like the color pink, jewelry, makeup, dresses and skirts, and high heels, and that it didn't change me as a person
it's always really nice to hear about people growing out of their "pick me" and not like the other girls" phase. good for you, honestly. i'm glad that you got older and a bit wiser, and realized just how ridiculous that sort of mindset really is.
oof this was a difficult one for me as well hahah
I'M SOOO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE ROMAN EMPIRE THING 😭😭😭
I'm male and watching all the people saying they think about it x times a week or day was so cringe. To me it felt like people were wanting to say they thought about it more to appear a certain way, but I have no clue for what and why. I just don't believe that, that many people are thinking about the Roman Empire that frequently, it's a random topic and largely irrelevant to every day life to be thinking about that much imo.
fr, omg! the only way i would ever believe that is if they have an interest in ancient history, or if they're neurodivergent and the Roman Empire is a special interest or hyperfixation of theirs. no way will i ever believe that the average neurotypical guy is just walking through his daily life thinking about Ancient Rome for literally no reason!
As a guy I totally agree with you. When I heard about the "How many times do you think about the Roman Empire" thing I thought it was stupid. "Who does that?" I wondered. Then you had all these guys saying "Several times a day" and I'm like "WTF? Why?" I honestly don't believe it for an instant. Guys don't do that. It is just asinine. I think the guys who responded that way were just joking.
I honestly don't really care about the Roman Empire that much, Ancient Greece is way more interesting to me anyways and the Romans pretty much copied them. But more on that, it's plausible that there are people who genuinely do enjoy ancient history so they will think about those societies often. The other alternative is that they're Nazis who fantasize about some BS like "fall of the West" or some other dog whistles like that.
@@negligible_reality exactly. Like it's probably some people's niche interest, but it's NICHE. Not something almost every man is thinking about, it's so weird that people were saying they think about it so much 😭
Ugh the roman empire is sooo overrated😒I think about the Byzantine empire, you probably haven’t heard of them
I used to be a pick me and hated anything “ mainstream” and it was only bc I had no friends, was insecure and wanted to be praised and loved. Not a great time in my life tbh lol
Same! I used to not like certain friendshises anymore, because they got really popular, even though I had loved them :(
Luckily I see it different now, I think it is great that so many people can enjoy and feel what I feel from the same friendshise (sorry if I spelt friendshise wrong btw).
Great btw . that you got out of that phase! Everyone has some weird phases
LMAO ME TOO
i really respect y’all for acknowledging this!
STORM ⁉️
The Rachel Zegler hate has gotten completely out of control. I think she’s an incredible singer and a great up and coming actor, and that she honestly didn’t do anything too bad. Yes, she did make a comment about the original Snow White film that some people didn’t like (I personally kind of agree with the some points) but Robert Pattinson (who I also think is great!) has been actively shading Twilight ever since he starred in it. People can be critical of media and it’s not like she hurt anybody. The double standard is unreal.
@@NotSubairDo you think that she demanded to change the story? The studio changed it and then hired her; I don’t understand why you’re blaming her for a creative decision that she likely had no option in, she just said her opinion on that choice
@@NotSubair me when i say cool logical fallacy term to seem smart on the internet while making an insanely dumb point
@@NotSubair If you don't like the fact that the story has been changed, criticize the WRITERS & PRODUCERS of the film all you want. An actor rarely has creative control over films. Are you dumb or are you dumb?
@@madeleine5660 Exactly! I wouldn’t have said anything if I was her, but to be fair a reporter did ask her and it’s not like she wrote it!
Honestly, I kind of dislike her because of the overexposure, but that’s not really on her, it’s more of a casting thing. But she really doesn’t need hate directed towards her for simply taking a role. I can understand feeling tired of constantly seeing her in the media, but now that half that media alone is hate on her, I just feel really bad for her. Keep in mind, I don’t think I’ve seen a single thing she’s been in.
Same with ScarJo; I was over exposed and all of a sudden I hated seeing her face on another cover, but I simply rolled my eyes and walked away, no hate comments involved. And now that the media frenzy around her has died down, I can find that I like her personality and I hope her all the best.
I feel like A lot of these problems are caused because people don’t see celebrities as real people and so don’t treat them as such.
Yeah, that's pretty accurate actually. And then when it's pointed out they go on about how it's ok to send death threats to celebrities because they're rich??? Weirdo behavior imo.
@@negligible_reality for real (love your pfp btw it looks super cool)
Ur pfp isn’t fnaf it’s dsaf
@@pastalord69 I know. I love fnaf and dsaf, also love the Dhmis pfp
@@William-Afton_jejcjschheiqx thanks :)
oh my god YES i've always felt so icky seeing people hate on women celebrities for seemingly no reason and you're right it's so clearly rooted in misogyny (that plus being "not like the other girls" which you kind of touched on)
Like all the aggressive hate for ariana grande is crazyy. Reminds me of that white bear episode from black mirror
@@bajabl People should've attacked Ariana's new boyfriend instead of her! He was the one married to a woman with a child! Ariana was married but childless
I really like Rachel. I think she is so talented, nice and well spoken. It makes me sad that she gets all this hate that she doesn't deserve.
Most of the criticism towards her is actually stuff that is a disney problem. Like people complaining that princesses are too "girlboss" now and the feminism in Disney movies is forced and even anti-feminist sometimes. Some of those things are completely valid, but it's not Rachel's fault. She probably doesn't have any say at all in these matters.
@@NotSubair you said it yourself. Disney most likely tells her what to say. Yet it's her who gets the hate, not Disney. Therefore, in my opinion, she is an excellent example of getting hate for now reason.
Additionally I don't agree with all you said about Disney either, but that's a whole different argument.
In general, critique companies and larger movements, not individuals.
@@NotSubairMmmm... I don't know if I quite understand what you are saying. Rachel is an actress, so obviously press tours/interview are part of her job. Disney pays her to attend these events. As for Disney forcing her to say things: Of course Disney doesn't literally force her. However they are her boss, so if they tell her what to do/say she most likely will do it to stay on good terms with them. This is kinda like with any other job. Or maybe even a bit "worse", since Disney does have a big influence and being on bad terms with them would probably hinder future opportunities.
@@NotSubair Sometime I think people don't know what woke actually means.
@@NotSubair There is definitely some truth in what you are saying as well! I think you can see that Rachel is still quite inexperienced and would need a (better) PR Team. However, probably no one expected the sheer amount of hate a few comments would cause. (And again, in my opinion undeserved/misguided hate)
Anyway, I appreciate that you were nice and had good points, I often just get people who at some point start throwing insults if our opinions differ. Not everyone needs to agree, but one can at least stay kind.
The problem is that Rachel herself admitted she was unfamiliar with the original movie, and talked down the original Snow White character. It felt like she was punching down on the 1930s Snow White to prop up her own which is the antithesis of feminism IMHO. The original Disney Snow White is very for it's time, but that's still not a reason to write off a 14-year-old girl who went through some pretty horrific stuff (a murder attempt by a family member, getting lost in the woods, and then being killed). Rachel even says the Prince was "stalking" Snow White, when really the guy was basically a walking deus ex machina.
Someone mentioned before that many are getting really tired of the capitalistic girl-bossification right out of 2012 of Disney Princesses right now, and that's very true. Female characters don't have to be this way to be considered "strong". Being kind is not weak, and being brave and confident does not mean you need to be an asshole. This is why the 2015 remake of Cinderella is the only remake that works on pretty much all counts.
That being said, Rachel is young. I think she just needs some media training, and maybe time to grow up and learn nuance.
I was so sad about the hate Rachel was getting :( I’ve watched her UA-cam channel since she had like 100 followers, I felt like I was watching my little sister achieve her dreams when she got Maria in West Side Story. She is so ridiculously talented and kind-there’s a reason why her cast mates always speak so highly of her. She’s a really lovely person and didn’t deserve the hell she was put through in 2023😩
it always baffles me when people stop enjoying things just because it became popular, especially when it comes to an artist....like do you not want your favorite artist to become successful lol
THIS!! People complaining about their favorite artist's music being popular on TikTok (which is a MUSIC app) will always confuse me, if you really like that artist you would be happy for them
I do want my favourite artists to get the money, fame and accolades they deserve. But speaking for myself, I don't want to lose them to the capitalist machine where they charge insane amounts for records and merch and only play arena level shows. Would they even need my individual support at they point?
To be fair, some of it is probably people liking something and then having their tastes/likes change.Like some people are genuine trend hoppers, but what we like doesn't have to be what we like forever. Or there are haters/dislikers who were never to begin with and it's more counter-culture about finding community/sense of relief that you aren[t the only one who doesn't like something everyone won't shut up about.
@@wombat4583 i totally agree i was just talking about the people who stop liking things stricly because it's popular, i've had friends like that who want all their interests to be niche and different and it's so silly in my opinion
how sad it must be to be so amazing that everyone hates you
What?
@@sharkypawsuop is saying that it's sad when you reach a high level of success and people hate you just because of that success
Everyone supports you and loves you until you become successful. Then bitterness, jealousy, and resentment grow, and people try to take you down into their self-made misery. Whether it's fabricating lies and scandals, or attacking you directly, they can't handle you not being the person THEY want you to be. Instead of improving themselves, they try to gain some sort control over their own life by instead controlling you.
There's this song called "Everybody supports women" by Sofia Isella that perfectly summarizes everything this video says.
Alot of this is just another symptom of being hyper-online, I used get so invested in internet celeb drama, I remember when I was young I was defending all the youtubers I would watch 💀,Years later, like why was I so invested, I should've been focusing on something more important.
But then I started taking my meds for adhd+SSRI, and they literally been live saver, its such a harsh reality check making you realize that you could be doing something fun instead of being a negative shithead online and IRL.
So take your meds
Im just not able to hate "the popular thing" just for its popularity, in the same way I can't imagine trying to "gatekeep" something that is niche or new and not very popular just to be one of the few that were there "from the beginning". Like, if i find a new band or artist with few followers i immediately show it to my friends or try to find other fans,,, loving something (specially art) gets lonely pretty fast when you have no one to gush about it with
As someone who likes a lot of unpopular things, it does get pretty lonely not having anyway to rave about the thing with. And due to the unpopularity of the things I like, like old sitcoms for example, I tend not to share them with anyone because I’m embarrassed of no one else knowing it. I don’t understand people who brag about being the only person to like something, I’m too embarrassed. 😅
THIS!!!! I’ve always liked things like doctor who or sci-fi stuff and none of my friends liked it and it was always so lonely cus I had to enjoy it alone. I lived on the internet growing up cus that was the only place I could find others who liked the same things I did.
honestly it's lonely for me even liking more popular things because the fanbases are always absolutely unhinged. i was really into the simpsons for a while and the loudest people were constantly wishing violence on lisa, the fictional 8 year old. i hate it cause i do love talking about my interests, but there's no way i can trust a conversation like that to go well anymore unless it's with my friends directly.
When a woman hates another woman for no particular reason, most of the time they would accuse the female celeb of being a “pick me girl” and run with it
"I always knew" happens with shows too. If a show starts off good and goes off the rails or has a terrible finale, a bunch of people will go "Oh, look at all these idiots being surprised that a show that was always terrible had a terrible ending." And I've personally seen people doing this who I knew used to like it when everyone else liked it because I follow them and saw their fannish tweets/posts about it back then!
Lmao I saw this happening with GOT and Riverdale.
I mean, people KNEW the ending of Lost from the get go...
I mean, people KNEW the ending of Lost from the get go...
anyone else notice how even when male celebs or any other form of media do receive unwarranted hate it’s mostly when they have a predominantly female fan base? like one direction, bts or any other kpop group, romance genres, etc
Tbh the consumers of media articles pertaining to celebrities are predominantly female. All the examples of hate towards actresses/celebrities, I was completely unaware of until just now.
To clarify, I think your question highlights where the unwarranted hate comes from. A large portion of the population could care less. The hate comes from people who have an interest in the jubject matter
That “dry hands” joke in your skit made me actually laugh out loud. I always knew you’d have dry hands. The moment I saw you I was like “this girl has dry hands. don’t trust her”
"i never liked them" and "finally we can admit theyre ugly/untalented" are two of my pet peeves like maybe soemtimes they're true sure whatever but if someones Actually done something shitty why is that your priority 💀 and people will say that shit about a woman who idk breathed too forcefully in an interview
The amount of people that I've met with the mentality of hating everything and everyone that's mainstream for no reason is insane-
Its especially aggravating when they make it their whole personality.
It's kind of draining when all they do is just spew hate
literally what’s happening with taylor swift rn, they’re saying she’s “overreacting” because some sexist host made a joke about her and she took a sip of her drink and just gave him a blank stare like?? even if she threw the drink on him she would still be underreacting.
People are hating on her specifically because of The Eras Tour being extremely successful. This happened during Reputation Tour as well and people went back to loving her after the tour ended. As an old swiftie, I'm actually able to see patterns of hate trains through out her life. It really comes and goes like this. Many people are pretending to not like TTPD double album but in a few months its gonna become "one of her best albums ever😭"
@@RandomSwiftie13have you seen that one red haired guy with the suit?? He’s super annoying and when he found about the AI images of Taylor he said “oh my god WHO CARES?” He also made a video about how her new album is horrible and unoriginal, yeah suuuuuuure, and who’s the one with over fifty million subscribers? Not him that’s for sure
I was operating under the assumption that the hate is more to do with the obscene amounts of wealth. After all it is impossible to make a billion dollars without being a dodgy bastard to at least some extent.
Look, I never vibed all that much with Taylor Swift, but you know what I think when I hear someone say they find comfort in her music?
I think “Hell yeah, I’m glad you found something you love!”
Nothing is more metal than hugs and kisses, my friends.
I really hope the internet never turns against you even as I hope you grow in popularity and get the roles you dream of!
It's really telling how the popular to hated examples in the beginning are artists/actors loved by teen girls, which we all know everyone (mostly men) have to hate things that teen girls like
THANK YOU for talking about the Rachel Zegler hate, I absolutely LOVE her and the amount of hate she was getting was insane and completely uncalled for.
Your videos give me hope that good, original, and funny videos still exist on UA-cam.
It's truly insane how most of the hated mainstream things are mostly liked by girls in their teens.
Also am I crazy or is the melody that starts to play at 9:50 the intro from a Shiadanni song?
yeah, that's sadly been a trend for a long time now. mainstream culture LOVES to hate on things that are popular with teenage girls! it all gets written off as "cringe" or "stupid", and it's honestly so sad. why can't we let girls enjoy things too???
but teenage boys interests are often seen as cool hmm i wonder why?🤔
@@ruruity truly a double standard
im a grown man who likes bts and so many people have mocked me for it, i also like to play slower paced games, i also like pastel purples and pinks and blues, seems like anything associated with women (esp younger women) is bad
I always get nervous when a (usually female) celebrity I like gets really popular because 90% of the time eventually a hate train comes for them like taylor swift/jennie/wonyoung. Like I love lily from nmixx and everyone else seems to love her too and now I'm genuinely nervous for her future because I just know people will turn on her.
I kinda relate to the “having haters means your more popular” sorta vibe. I’m a hs trans athlete and one father of a team I was against was upset that we won (I barely played that game, so I didn’t “carry” my team, even if I did play more I’m worse than other people in my position) but this dad decided to blame me for his team losing. Anyway he ended up going to a newspaper, doxing me, and putting me all over the internet, which even if u don’t like trans people, doxing a 15 year old is SOMETHING. Ig to keep me going through the hate I just had the thought process of “they wouldn’t be hating me if they didn’t think I was good”. So it’s kinda funny that Emily mentioned it because if I used that thought process, celebrities DEFINITELY do.
thats honestly iconic of u
so messed up that that happened. really glad that it didn't get you down, you sound cool as hell!
babes try suing that old hag oh my god 😭
That’s SOOO messed up. Some grown people have so much hate in their hearts and are so insecure that they feel threatened by anyone with any sort of talent. I’m sorry you had to go through that, that’s very traumatic. I’m glad you got through it though, that alone you should be proud of. you’re probably one hell of an athlete as well.
damn im sorry that sucks. that grown man was js bigoted and insecure. u deserve positive recognition and love
honestly i think a lot of media made for a female audience falls under this the most which is why so many girls and young women feel the need to be "different"
my former best friend was the perfect example of people "hating everything just because it is popular". when I told her I like Taylor Swift she really said "no, she is too hyped, and if everyone likes it, I don't." I could go down the psychology road of why some people desperately search reasons to be "special", but honestly, it is one of MANY reasons why we are no longer friends and it was one aspect of her own insecurity. it is absolutely okay to not like things that are popular, because YOU do not like them, not because many other people like it or because it is popular. There is a reason why things are popular and, of course, I had my fair share of things where I asked myself "why do people like that?", but I certainly no longer judge them for liking something I don't.
some people need to feel special, but almost all of them do not know that hating on something doesn't make you interesting. often, it just makes you look petty. what makes you really interesting is just being you, not because you hate on something that is popular for the sake of hating it. my advice, if you don't like something, let it go, ignore it, and keep petty and hateful comments to yourself. if you like something, be supportive about it, but don't start worshipping it like a damn deity (as some people seem to do with not only actors or celebrities, but also with media). always be critical and careful about the things you read, see and hear on the internet, but doing that doesn't mean you cannot enjoy the hell out of it.
It’s okay to enjoy her music, but Taylor Swift does actual harm to people and society through her actions, it’s ok to not like her
I have a very similar story as you but my person that doesn't like Taylor Swift because she is "too famous" was my cousin brother. He changed his mind on her after she dropped folklore in 2020 just like most people 🫠
the people who comment stuff like “commenting now that I hate ___” are also annoying, trust and believe we do not care if you dislike a celeb
a bit off topic (?) but something annoying is the way you'll find people on tiktok for example losing it because their favourite song from their unknown underground artist that they were gatekeeping so hard 'got tiktokified🥺' ..and the song is by nirvana, just the most popular 90s band that majority have heard of/know
unwarranted hate almost always stems from jealousy. people find it easier to hate a celeb for being successful instead of attempting to be successful (or more successful) themselves. IMO anyway.
I'll admit as someone on the spectrum that I have a LOT of VERY niche interests. And you know what? I think it's cool to have niche interests bc usually it's something u know a lot about and want to tell ppl about and I want to hear all about your obscure knowledge! I also as far as music like to collect music from really small bands bc I like how they sound of course but I also want to be one of their og fans that spreads them around so they get more popular! On that note if you read this far go check out these bands: The Funeral Portrait, Gum Disease, Lease Agreement, Letters For The Oddities, Orthodox, Varials, Not Enough Space, Dark Divine, Yasmin Nur
Whole my middle and high school I was “not like other girls” and only listened to rock-metal bands and now in my twenties I experienced identity crisis when I discovered how good Taylor Swifts lyrics are and now I absolutely love her and all my friends are very confused
If it's lyrics you care about, you had ought to give folk music a go. There is alot of heart in most folk songs, especially those adapted from poetry and some lyrics can send a shiver down one's spine.
For example in Redgum's song Long Run they sing,
"Australia marched out of Vietnam
Out on the streets against Uncle Sam,
We won the fight, it was a long one"
(These lines pack a punch if you are familiar with the abusive marriage that is US-Australia relations)
Or, sticking to the Vietnam theme, in Dave Van Ronk's anti-war song Luang Prabang he sings,
"When I came back from Luang Prabang,
I didn't have a thing where my balls used to hang,
But I got a wooden medal and a fine harangue
Now I'm a fucking hero
Mourn your dead land of the free
If you want to be a hero, follow me,
Mourn your dead land of the free
If you wanna be a hero, follow me"
And just to give an example that isn't related to the Vietnam war, in the song The Peat Bog Soldiers, which is an English translation of a German song written from inside a concentration camp by German socialists (by which I mean the actual socialists, who the pretend socialists incharge at the time wanted dead), there is the stanza,
"But for us there is no complaining,
Winter will in time be past.
One day we will cry rejoicing.
Homeland, dear, you're mine at last.
Then will the Peat Bog Soldiers,
March no more with their spades to the moor."
i've noticed that people will hype up a smaller artist (especially music artists) but as soon as the artist become popular, it becomes annoying to like them. i've never understood that but i hadn't though of it possibly being from overexposure (ive got thinking to do)
i found your channel recently and it’s refreshing to see someone point things out i’ve been noticing for a long time.
i grew up enjoying either really popular things or really obscure/nerdy things and both would result in some sort of bullying for being “basic” or “weird” so i just stopped caring about what other people think about my interests. they bring me joy and that’s all that matters. i also think it’s made media more enjoyable for me cus i never search for nonexistent reasons to hate something in order to be seen as cool.
Hating something so much that you judge the people who like it will always be weird
YESS THE WHOLE "I'VE NEVER LIKED THEM" SCARES ME SO MUCH. Tell why you didn't like them, when they gave you no reason to do it so. They're just trying to be different at this point 💀. Literally I've seen this been said to every celebrity "downfall", no one is saved. I wonder if there's someone in my circle who's waiting for my downfall to say something like that.
This is literally high school but online
fr lol
i hate that you're so well spoken and beautiful and talented and brave enough to put yourself online! ugh!
when i grow up i want to work in the popular to hated pipeline industry
the skits in this video were ALL SO GOOD i could never hate you emily
i LOVE rachel zegler!!! the hate was so intense like people care too much omg
I do think she's cringe and a mid actress at best, but the way people were talking about her made it look like she burned down an orphanage and danced on the ashes
@@brandonizaguirre2963Yall are so gullible. She has a contract and was paid by Disney to say all those things, cause its a press and she's an actor. Yall think an indie actor could direct an entire movie?? She doesn't follow the things that she says, she never meant that. She literally has been playing fragile and feminine characters and has a boyfriend irl. Leave Rachel. Dont hate her cause you hate disney, she is just a pawn.
@@brandonizaguirre2963a mid actress at best? oh my lord.
@@hamsterfay You know what? Sorry. I take it back. Mid level is actually way too generous 😕
@@brandonizaguirre2963 begone troll 💞
Glad you've touched upon Rachel, I don't know much about her besides her being good at musical theater, but the amount of reactionary propaganda that uses her as the face of the "woke libs" they hate so cultishly, and the truly bizarre anger people direct at her for a harmless opinion is honesty so shocking yet oddly unsurprising. People love rage bait and joining a mob, but the thing is criticism of her has always been so inconsistent that its baffling, for some she's too dark and somehow racist against white people (lol) for taking a role in a german fairytale, for others she's too white to call herself latina (despite it being a diaspora based ethnicity category, not a race) and for others she's too american to call herself latina (despite the fact that latino has almost always referred to diaspora and expats, not latin americans living within LATAM) and somehow offending many online latinamericans by calling herself that (especialmente mexicanos y argentinos), while not speaking any language spoken here which again, people have never before had an issue with, since again latino/a was typically about diaspora once (many latin americans calling for the casting of a "whiter" latina to prove that we can be white and worthy). It's all soooo silly, and when it comes to the fairytale movie (that she's starring in alongside a woman who vocally supports genocide) is that, it's been a part of pop culture to poke fun at how creepy and unrealistic most 50s disney movies would be IRL, and how dated they are to the american ideals of the 1950s (not its realities, only a romanticized version) like the fact that this teenage girl got married to a much older prince she barely knew or how silly it is that she was living with 7 strangers and etc, but somehow when its someone deemed "woke" and therefore an enemy or "undesirable" it's suddenly the most disrespectful sight and a transgression against beloved culture. It's hypocritical and tribalistic.
i couldn’t have said it better myself. not to mention snow white was either 13 or 14 in the story which makes the entire story really predatory inherently.
I’m also glad you brought up the Latino discussion because as a Mexican it has been exhausting to see people fighting each other over who is worthy enough to label themselves as such when that’s just simply not how it works. It’s the same with Jenna Ortega too. People online act like they have authority over the entirety of Latin America, which is ridiculous when you realize it’s prob a 17 year old in their bedroom ranting online.
Im surprised people are so gullible. They think this unknown actress made a billion dolla company direct snow white?? She has been playing female leads who are feminine and fragile. Why was it that evey single actor was saying the same things she said? Cause disney paid them, thats their job, they have a contract to do whatever disney says. All the no prince no romance and everything she said is not something she wanted to, but she was made too. If they hate cancel culture, why are they doing the same bandwagons???
THANK YOU! The way people act like a mild criticism of an old Disney movie is the highest form of disrespect deserving of utmost punishment. Also, they love to call her “bratty”. Weirds me out
@@ChoRen and the weirdest part too is that most of the people saying these things are like 30/40 year olds who care WAAAY too much about this 20 year old. once i saw this 40 year old woman write a damn near dissertation in someone’s comment section about how Rachel is a Narcissist, and the whole time it was her projecting her own shit onto her. These people are truly pathetic.
i do want to say that the prince being some much older guy in his 30s is a myth. specific ages are never stated in the film, but they're both supposed to be teenagers. however, disney didn't have much experience with animating realistic humans at the time, and i don’t think their references were always 1:1 design wise so they don’t look exactly their age. they don’t get married at the end either, just walk off into the sunset (although there is wedding snow merch it was just made up for sales.). also, snow white was released in the 30s, not the 50s, so it was taken a lot more seriously as it was the first time people really saw more realistic animation- the emotional moments were celebrated as part of the escapism. so while snow is not some great feminist role model, her persevering kindness and the unrealistic/fantastical nature of the story was serving a purpose. i'm not saying that disney movies are undeserving of criticism- far from it- but the ways in which their films are considered problematic by the general public are usually based on misconceptions that get further warped by a very surface level understanding of both feminism and animation as a medium. and this in turn has made disney overcorrect things that were never really issues, keeping men in the director's chair while trying to be self-aware about how their princesses are totally not like other girls now instead of doing the work to understand how they could actually improve. it sucks because the conservative backlash over this usually causes liberals to support the movie out of spite when the movie isn't even saying anything worthwhile.
totally agree with you about the casting of rachel herself though. it sucks that people are being critical because a younger actress used disney's pr talking points a little messily instead of the fact that an actual whole-hearted zionist is her costar. sorry for the super long reply, i’m very passionate about animation history so i tend to talk a lot in that department!
I love how when public figures and breathed the wrong way or celebrities get hate for women she literally just didnt smile on a red carpet or something and for a man its like he commited a heinous crime. The casual sexism of it all drives me insane and god forbid it's a teenage girl she doesn't stand a chance, society hates teenage girls and ridicules anything they enjoy.
Side note: Ive been watching emily for a while now and I love the skits sm they always add a little extra to the video and the commitement to the bit is 10/10
The amount of hate teenage girls get is staggering, many famous people who were teens got so much crap thrown their way I kinda feel bad for them.
it’s like so annoying when people think they are so cool and ‘not like other girls’ just for not liking something that’s very mainstream/popular, just like others like what you like?!!?!!
It’s so funny because I wasn’t too sure about Rachel Zegler but after watching Hunger Games and her interviews, I LOVE HER!!!!!
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I’m a little high rn and I’m literally so antisocial that you started introducing someone and I was thinking “nooo, no new people rn” but then it turned out to just be yourself and I was so relieved.
I love the "Devil's advocate" thing you got going but I also have a list of names. Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee, and Leonard Nimoy. These men have the kind of humility you just don't see anymore.
P.s. love that you started cursing. Good comedic effect.
I was SO Fucking guilty of this. That whole "I'm not mainstream" thing. I was a loser and had no friends, so it was understandable. Now that I understand the need for communal relationships, I'm better.
But though, in defense of the whole mainstream narrative, I think a genuine reason someone can have for disliking something going mainstream rather than the "I'm not like other girls" stereotype or the "pick me, I'm weird" guy stereotype is: Sometimes when some TV shows or movies go mainstream, they can lose their original meaning.
Like for example, the Cyberpunk genre, when it started, it was more Philosophical and had a lot of political messaging in it's stories and the representation it got on media in the 80's. It became mainstream as at the 90's, which again, to it's credit, saw a surge of remarkable Cyberpunk stories and media.
However... As time went on into the 2000's and the present, Cyberpunk as a genre is now somewhat dying because many companies are only interested in replicating the aesthetics (which I still fucking love so much), and doing less of the Philosophical commentary and messaging.
Sure, it's not really that bad, I'm not a gatekeeper, but it's a subtle change.
So yeah, at the end I still agree with you hating something for being mainstream because it's mainstream is just hyper-Individualistic cringe, and it's embarrassing.
Having a niche interest isn't even that great to begin with, you have to find people who can relate(and I suffered and continue to suffer from it till today).
Having niche interests is nothing unique or "weird" or "remarkable", any niche thing anyone can think of has a massive fanbase, it's just a lack of knowledge about it, and it's lack of mainstream. Doesn't make it unique.
The most annoying part of it is when it turns into some sort of dumb competition about superiority of taste in art, main character syndrome (like you wouldn't be going to comment on something you hate if you hate it, why bother?), Intellectual gatekeeping ("Rick and Morty" Cringe period of Szechuan Sauce), and just toxicity. It's obnoxious.
Our Capitalistic Hellscape of a world has made many of us believe we are rugged heroes from many of Ayn Rand's terrible books.
Nice video again, as usual.❤ Your acting just illustrated how dumb this whole thing of "mainstream" vs. "niche" is.
after all these years i believe amanda wang deserves her own sitcom 😔
One hate train that will always get me was the hate train for Anne Hathaway (my queen) in the 2000s-2010s because she was “too nice” and people thought she was “fake.” 😭😭😭 They can never make me hate you Anne, you’re mother.
There's a line from a German song translated as "to hate the trend is also just a trend" and I think that summons it up pretty well
1:44 sometimes with actresses, people hate the character for whatever reason, and then they attack the actress instead. Which is wild, but I guess some people just want to see the likeness of the character suffer :(
That’s a different phenomenon, although it does speak to internet people’s disconnection from reality and lack of empathy. Like people hated the guy who played Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Kudos to him for such a well-done portrayal, sadface for at those people because REALLY?!?
Okay as an observation, I've noticed that there are people (like myself) who aren't trying to be niche, but have some kind of mental block where, if someone actively asks us to watch or like something, it's like, physically painful to go and do that. Like how it's harder to do chores if someone asks you to do them? And it's rarely a problem, but obvi when stuff gets popular, people are like "omg you should watch/read/listen to this" and its like well now I don't want to? So it's not intentional nicheness it's just, ,, a response to being asked to like something? Usually it doesn't end up being personal to an actor or director tho, it just blocks interaction with media. Do other people get this?
1:34 harry styles is literally the only man to get unwarranted hate and genuinely upsetting behaviour thrown his way on the same level as a woman. He’s been persecuted (and in some cases exploited) by not just the public, but the media and several people in the industry he’s never done anything to as well
The hate train that Sabrina carpenter got in 2021, was crazy. Olivia Rodrigo's fan made her go through hell over a man.
I always worry I come across as pretentious or trying to be "different" because I actually do have kind of niche interests. Like I actually do listen to music that isn't on spotify that nobody I know irl has ever heard of. I also don't really watch TV very often so there are a lot of popular shows I've never seen. There are a few popular things I like too, though, and those are what I usually tell people about.
I actually get so happy when my favorite artist gets recognized because solya only has a few thousand monthly listeners on Spotify but she definitely deserves more!
emily, you are literally so funny 😭 i kept having full on belly laughs with this video, and while you were speaking the truth too!! it is insane how so many people just wanna be quirky and different for the sake of it 💀 like i love my foreign black and white independent movies that you can only watch on a shady website that doesn't even have subtitles, but oh my GOD learn to have fun for once in your life 😭
I identified with the skit about the mainstream snobs. You run into so many in life.
People who are anti-mainstream are really doing themselves a disservice. To be able to bond and/or geek over something you like with others is such a nice feeling!
10:13 in adolescence, there’s a phenomenon found by lifespan development psychologists where they found that teens tell themselves and others Self Fables. those are just things like i’m the biggest fan of this band and that makes me different from everyone and so on. and the internet has really has fed into that need for individuality.
I remember being popular in a small group on facebook in like 2014. It was a weird/interesting situation because it was just a bunch of shitposting. But the slight popularity garnered a stalker and tons of hate mail & harassment. People would act rude or ghost, but turn around and bully because people stopped giving them attention.
As someone who hyper fixates on literally everything I have an interest in, it shatters my heart when it’s not popular because then I can’t watch fan content of it for hours on end 💔
Its truely sad how quickly people can turn on people , havent watched this video yet but im looking forward to it .
As someone who is very guilty of hating on 'popular' music, I feel like its more related to wanting to experience something others aren't or discovering a new sound for a lot of people But i feel like people not listening to certain genres bc it's 'too mainstream' is very real and kind of a cringe mindset
I am starting a band called the Taiwanese Vegetable Brigade right now: we shall drum upon the hollowed husks of root vegetables and march about in the wilderness. no profiles on any streaming apps, that's basic. No live performances, or any performances at all because that would be, you guessed it... BASIC. Recruiting: anyone who isn't basic and MAINSTREAM
i hate how in kpop there's this "period of hate to a random girl group" to people that literally did nothing wrong, also cause haters be cherry picking anything and reaching so hard just to hate on them😭😭 i seriously need this to stop
Amanda Wang is my fave recurring character on YT she just goes through so much
I may be feeding into this very thing but, as someone who has always felt outcast, I get excited when I actually get and enjoy something that others like. I usually just don't get it and I feel like I'm missing out.
I’m a dude that comes to Emily’s channel outta curiosity of women’s problems and trends to be able to relate to people better. People are weird. It makes me glad my feed is only memes, video games and music.
Astonished at the people defending “hating” celebrities they don’t even know because of one thing they see as false or hypocritical. You want to disapprove of Taylor Swift’s use of private jets? Ok, whatever. But making the jump to thinking she’s some kind of monster over it is just ridiculous.
Hola! Comentario en español
También algo que note es que casi siempre este odio crece mucho cuando se trata de algo que tiene un publico o quiénes lo consunen mas son mujeres.
Un buen ejemplo fue que tuvieron mucha popularidad las peliculas de Barbie y Oppenheimer pero sólo vi un hate muy grande hacia la película de barbie. Es como si a las personas en general les enseñaran a odiar todo lo que tenga que ver con lo femenino y lo que esté relacionado al gusto de las mujeres
A couple thoughts:
- I've noticed that A LOT of celebrities are aware of "regular" people's struggles. This especially goes for celebrities who are younger or are minorities (though this is not the rule).
- I consider people's negative feelings toward Jennifer Lawrence's quirkiness and tomboy-ish nature to be just as bad as people being weird about gitls/woman who are "too girly."
- I'm annoyed by some famous women's personalities and decisions- like Rachel Zegler - but that does not mean I hate them or even dislike their work. Honestly, so many people - famous or not - just want to judge and hate people.
oh this is so true 😭😭 for example: when people who were once fans of something/someone suddenly turn against it/them as soon as it/they becomes more popular and accepted by the general public - because it’s no longer their niche little interest anymore - and they even feel the need to loudly announce their departure from a fandom, for instance. i’ve seen it in real time soooo many times as an army. the army to anti pipeline is so real, it’s crazy 💀
I'm not an army anymore bc i was getting bored of them
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I WILL NEVER HATE THEM
They has a lot of good music bro 😭
Same case with blackpink,i still really love rosé tho
they've always just wanted to feel special for having the niche obsession with some "underrated asian boys", it's bizarre
"You can just say whatever you want it's just what I've noticed" she is the best omg
Wow that video was amazing!! Especially the second skit about the Taiwanese vegetable bregade (yeah some band from the suburbs will steal this name), love how detailed and scenic he described them! Lots of love!!
I love that Emily still makes videos. I never raise any expectations yet every video is better, still with the same old phone camera and 2015 vibe. Queen says so much about society
I also think male celebrities tend to get hate when they have majority female audiences
true no one really talks about this either