Thumbs up if you love brevity and lists in writing. 1. Price- cheaper and newer. Newer roof etc. 2. Insulation- do your own and do it great. 3. Durabillity- Reliable through simplicity and availability of parts. 4. Weight- much lighter. 5. Tougher- made to work. Tougher hide than aluminum. 6. Blank Slate- make it how you want it. Fit your needs. 7. Resale- Save thousands and don't lose thousands either. 8. No Systems to fail- simple and reliable. 9. Stealth- Doesn't have "I'm an RV!" written all over it. 10. Versatile- It's modular. You can change it around. Easy to sell. Use it for storage.
After watching this video 6 year ago I bought a 2010 Haulmark 7x14 cargo trailer that was already set up for camping by the original owner. I have since done extensive modifications. I still have it and still love it. I just had a trailer hitch installed so I can use a cargo carrier with my Predator generator. I ahve a couple of videos showing what I did. Thanks Bob!
This video was the reason I went with a cargo trailer! Haven't had a single regret! Versatility is the best thing! I can live in my trailer and still use it to haul things! I hated my rvs and my last pop up camper!
I am going to add to your list of 10. Room. I am in a wheel chair and the new rvs arent set up to handle them. Also if you haul a camp trailer and your tow vehicle breaks down you can still live in it while the vehicle is being worked on. :)
I get it. My daughter is in a wheelchair and I have been researching affordable camping options for 2 years. I’m so tired of hotels and being limited to finding campgrounds with ada cabins. On our last road trip in April to Ohio then to South Dakota and back to California I saw a toy-hauler with the ramp down and had a lightbulb moment so started researching those. I found what I believe will work for us. It’s called a Vymeron. After talking with another family who has a child in a wheelchair and owns a Vymeron I placed my order. We will pick it up late September. I went pretty minimal. No tanks. No sink. No heater. No frig.
Bob, I'd watched this la year ago when I was first envisioning my travel vehicle arrangements, and even now, as I am much further along (with a van purchase, floor, sofa-bed semi-conversion behind me...and thinking more towards designing my own cargo lighter trailer to pull with it, this has helped me once again solidify my thinking and clarify my vision for what matters most to me...and I just SO appreciate how you and your most helpful insights have been so very helpful, Bob...and every so often I just have to pipe up and say so! So many different agendas in the industry, and many well-meaning...and maybe some not so much...people pushing different things that I often hear about later as being problematic in many ways, and so often not worth the headaches. In the midst of all that, your presence and voice has been a breath of fresh air...so many, many times, and I can't thank you enough!
Thanks Bob! It's interesting to see what rigs people change to over time. I have chemical sensitivities. I bought a used Airstream Basecamp thinking I could make it work. Unfortunately, any time there is any moisture I can taste and smell the adhesives (from the flooring and bathroom). It's awful. I wanted to push through and just use it, but have decided it's not worth sacrificing my health over. SO, going with a cargo trailer and will use low or non toxic ways to build it out! Leaving this comment for other folks with CS.
I've had my 6 x 12 cargo trailer now going on 7 years, and love it! Had it built and pre-wired at the factory, with 6'-6" interior height, rear barn doors, and a RV type door lock, then finished it out inside based on how you and Randy did yours! No windows, so pretty much total stealth. With 300 watts of solar on the roof, I have all the power I need for computer and small Dometic fridge and my tv and a lamp. I have it set up very simply, and am EXTREMELY comfortable! Would not trade it for anything!
Well, I went with the 6 x 12 single axle because I felt that was the smallest size I could be comfortable in. Have camped in mostly National Forests and the deserts of Arizona, boondocking, no hookups with no problems. I DO NOT PAY for camping! The solar is (3)-100 watt panels feeding into (2)-100 amp hour AGM batteries via a 30 amp MPPT BlueSky controller and a 2300/4600 watt PSW inverter.
I don't think it would be appropriate to post pics on Bobs YT channel.....I know Bob, and don't think he would appreciate it. I will however share pics to anyones email......
John are you on bobs forum? what is your user name. Try contacting me via that. I am user name GOSHAWK and would like to see pictures. am in the market for a CT convert plan and love to see different set ups. Glad bob made this video.
John, I encourage you to start a thread on my forum here (if you haven't already), then post the link to it in this thread. www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Forum-Miscellaneous-Vehicles
I work as an RV technician, I will be building my own, working on them all day I would not waste a penny of my money on a junk RV. Anything I can afford is JUNK and built like garbage by unskilled minimum wage workers. Trust me on this, I fix poor workmanship and cheap parts all day long, correction cheaply made parts but expensive to buy. Only thing I dont agree with is the Mr buddy heater, the catalytic heaters cause mad condensation inside your unit. If you use a furnace from a small camper that has no blower it has very little electrical draw and with a chimney to the outside you dont get the water vapor with the heat.
I've seen vids illustrating the cheap construction of campers. and, anything used is bound to have water damage. seems like the ultimate cheapo method would be to get one free or for a few hundred bucks, light it on fire, sandblast, paint, and build it from scratch. it all adds up as they say but i cant see it being a whole lot.
Bob gives the best advice and as he has lived this life style longer then most of us take notice as he knows most things. The most important thing in life is a safe place to sleep and when your eyes are shut you don't see your surroundings. There is nothing wrong with pooing in a bag in a bucket it's only food what has been in your own body. Then just bin it like you would dog poo. Why waste huge amounts of money on items just so your rig looks good when you can live cheap. This life style is about the great out doors not like been a prisoner in your rig. I'm 60 years old and spent a huge part of my life living simple on the road less travelled. I don't care what others think of my life style I've traveled all over the world saved a fortune on rent and property taxes. Most people just show off with items they have on credit they may look nice but that's not living. Keep it simple I'm truly happy and Bob certainly is with our simple life styles. what you don't have no body can steal from you.
It's 2022 and I'm watching all of the cargo trailer videos over again because that's what I have decided on. Bob Wells @CheapRVLiving, your advice is worth millions! Thank you.
Nice video. I agree with you 100%... My first was a 12 x 6. Lasted 4 years and ran out of space. then a big one. 32 ft x 8 ft.. Had it for 14 years and a semi took out my tow diesel truck that pulled it . The 32 footer was my mobile studio, camper, boat hauler, car and motorcycle hauler, and camper. I loved it. Had no truck to haul it so I had to down size to a 24 foot and now I have to start all over again. Oh well. I fully agree a cargo trailer is the best choice. You can make it your dream on wheels. My new one will look like the inside of a boat and be cool for me. Good luck to all the trailer buffs.
Sept. 2021 went to TrailersPlus and bought a 6×12 interstate loadrunner with the barn doors and white color ;-) towed it with a 2005 gmc savama 2500 4.8 4 sped automatic.
I just bought a used 4x6x5 V-nose with the ramp. Converting it to a camper/toy hauler... Added 2 windows on the road side and a 26x36 door on the passenger side. Short cabinet in the "V" will hold a 32" TV, Speakers and all elec equipment. Thinking of a ramp room extension!
12:00 If you really want stealth on that with the windows you could put a perforated business decal right over it. Clear from the inside and privacy on the outside.
I’m only part way through your video and I already agree with you 100% ! I had a motorhome, my parents had a couple of house trailers, my sister and a nephew Aldo have and have had hose trailers. All were built cheap! Leaks and appliance issues, just 2x2 framework covered with an aluminum skin.
I've thought about how I would build my micro home and I had come to the conclusion that a cargo trailer is best for the same reasons you mentioned. I'm in the process of getting it done !! Smart guy.
@Fernando G Thank you for asking about me and my trailer. I am working on it. I treated the bed liner of my cargo with a treatment for rust. I put up stabilizers so it's not wabbley and my material from the hardware store arrived a few days ago. I've gathered some tools from friends and the fun begins.
I a new subscriber and ordered a ARE TW last week I have a 12 week waiting period. I will be living out of it in the next few years. I am used to living in small spaces as I was in the Navy and Then got into truck driving. I am currently taking care of my mom full time. I am ready to get back on the road full time. I hope too meet up with other nomads to run with.
Love all 10 of your reasons. All make sense. I almost went that route but ultimately decided on a new, small TT. There are also pros to having a TT, as I have determined that there are pros and cons to every single motorhome/ travel trailer/cargo van/cargo trailer choice. All depends upon one's budget, one's lifestyle, and one's overall situation. I wish you all the best.
Thank you for that great video and advice. I ended up purchasing a Interstate Victory 6x10 trailer. I did find out that the Victory is structurally the same as the the upgraded Loadrunner if you get and painted model i.e Pewter, Champagne or Black the skin is .030 instead of the the White Victory which is .024 ,the only other difference is some cosmetic add ons. And it was $250.00 less
Bob Congradulations on the RTR2019 I couldn't make it in person this year but hopefully 2020 I couldn't believe the change in qty of people from 2018 when we came Just wonderful and inspiring God bless u in your travels rest of the year💝😄
@@qnslanman interstate loadrunner double acle ramp door flat nose. It was easoest one i could get. So much demand and i also didnt want to order one or drive 3 hours one way
PSA: Mr. Buddy heaters are not designed to be used indoors without adequate ventilation. Don't turn one on in a cargo trailer with all the windows closed and go to sleep.
@@targeted4truthjahsun No, I called Mr Buddy and asked. They do have two models. One is sale in 48 states, the other is for sale in two nanny states CA and MA. I asked what the difference was, and they told me the warning on the box was the only difference. Perhaps you should call them and ask for yourself.
@@hickoryridgefarms It really never is safe because the by products of combustion are still there. Cause cancers and respitory illness. Get one of those cheap Espar style diesel heaters from eBay and it will vent 100% outside. Don't run buddy heaters. They might not kill you immediately but they are hurting you
I wish I would have bought one years ago. New trailers today are higher priced after Covid and aren't made as strong, using 1x1 square tubing and chipboard instead of supports this one has and plywood, and roof vents are extra. Sept. '21 my 2021 Pace American 6x12 6'6" high V-nose Ramp single axle costed me $4800 with tax. It started at $4200 and landed around $4500 before tax. I added a spare tire, 14x14 roof vent with 4" 12v fan, one 12v light, and single leg jacks for the back corners.
Wow ! I'm 6'5". Been viewing your Videos & Conversions of Regular Vans, High Top Vans & RVs. Also Pickups with & without towing Trailers. Viewed this same Video at least one year ago. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. I've gone through the ' Round Robin ' on this. Conclusion: Either a Regular Large Van or a Basic 4X4 Pickup with a Cap towing a Modified Cargo Trailer - Stealth. A simple, progressive way to go. It would be real nice to buy an Oversized High Van - New and/or used - could cost a fortune before/after a conversion. As always, you stress " Buy CheapRVliving " . Thanks again for Great Advice. Bye.
Bob, I've been watching your videos for a couple of weeks now and I must say that they are some of the most informative on the subject. We've been thinking of going on the road and this vid about a cargo trailer was invaluable. Thanks you so much for your willingness to share your experiences and what you've learned. God bless you and keep you safe and sound.
Sorry you're giving up your prize trailer. I know all about letting g stuff own you, I moved from 1800square ft to 1200 to 700 square ft! All boxes now, little furniture. But , it's paid for, it's 1.5 acres fenced in, my dog loves it. Just not nearly far enuf out! When I moved in here, I remembered WHY I left Atlanta! Just not nearly far enuf out! Back out of the driveway into a two lane hiway... 😵 I really like your trailer! The way you had it before. Lovely, just enuf. But, sorry to see your friend moving along without you. Good video as usual, thanks. God bless and keep you in your travels. 👍
This is what I'm going to do. I'm real excited I've made a decision. Your videos have helped me so much. Thank You Bob for sharing the stories and all the things you do for RTR.
I lived in a 24 x 8 ft cargo trailer for around 4 years. It was way to big and I sold it and now live in a 12x20 converted shed and it's fine. However I am think about going out west and live in my Chevy HHR before I get much older and my heart gives up on me, I just turned 65. Just found your channel today and already learned a lot and expect to learn more. Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge.
U GOT IT, make it how U want, I use a 5 gallon bucket, 13 gallon trash bags, no Muss no Fuss, no plumbing, very easy to insulate, solar on the roof, GREAT VIDEO, thanks William
Great vid, thanks for sharing. Funny, I'm interested in portable liveable spaces and had drawn many of the exact same conclusions as this after going over various possibilities. One major one reason I think was overlooked is the insurance cost as a non motored trailer is much less. Another related to this is unlike a motor home/rv if an engine has trouble your compartment is a separate item/can be moved still or used with another vehicle. Another, is that unlike a truck camper, the shape is independent of the vehicle so can be carried by various types, such as your van.
very well thought out, I arrived at the same conclusions. i love the fact that it is a blank slate and you can build to your specs and know it was done right
Could summarize it this way: Cargo Trailer Conversions videos show how much the owner enjoyed making it and using it. 'Regular RV' videos show the owners frustration with their $50K+ trailer falling apart, suing the manufacturer, going to court, etc.
I am leaning heavily this way. A partial shoulder replacement kind of forced me to continue researching before taking the plunge. Here are a couple questions I have, though: 1) Insurance. If it's insured as a cargo trailer, will your belongings contained within the trailer be covered? 2) I mostly plan to boondock, but there may be occasions when visiting family that there will be no free camping. How accepting would campgrounds and RV parks be of a cargo trailer? Sometimes I think if you add some of those awful mauve and blue graphics on the side of anything, an RV park will accept you.
Lori Smith I had a campground membership a few years ago and camped in a cargo trailer, there were no problems, other campgrounds welcomed us as well. I am hoping to redo the interior soon, before there was an inflatable mattress, refrigerator and some shelving. Hoping to install countertop, removable couch/bed storge and table to make it livable.
TT Travels No but I'm happy to pay someone for their knowledge and expertise. An exchange of goods: when one needs something they don't have but they can exchange something the person with knowledge needs. In this case, expertise for money.
We bought someone else’s problem RV a year ago. It was a money pit. Lived out of it for the summer then finally sold it. Now we are bouncing back from the debt and I think we may just do this...thanks! 💛
I'm no expert but to me the RVs always looked like they are designed to break. I mean, you are basically driving around a house that was constructed in the cheapest way possible by the manufacturer.
Everything you said Bob is right. On the East Coast I decided to go new cargo trailer on 28 through 34 foot bumper pull trailers I have. because used ones were almost as much as new and at times more than new. I'm converting a cargo trailer 8ft wide inside by 32 ft long X 76 in tall. I wish I would have went 6 inch taller than normal height on the ceiling. I live high in the mountains and it snows sometimes up to 2 or 2.5 foot max. Also on a flat roof trailer you've got to keep the snow off of it or it could cave it in on these big trailers the round roof trailer I have in a 32-foot you don't have to worry about it it's had two and a half foot of snow and never caved in. That's one advantage of the round roof trailer it stronger and will support a few feet of snow. These big trailers that I'm talking about or not as strong as some of the small ones like you've got they turn the bean sideways which make them so strong with a piece of plywood on them you could walk on them. What is snow covering a few inches on these flat roof trailers I have the ceiling was bowing I had to get out and scrape all the trailers off during the winter time snow storm. I'm converting this cargo trailer 32 ft long 8 ft wide x 76 in tall into a stealth hidden cargo living trailer to live in. I know you have a lot of knowledge in building as much as you seen and all the videos you've done. I put an inch of insulation White foam insulation with a silver back in the clear plastic on the other side in the walls and siliconed it for close to airtight fit. What would you run on the ceiling would you run I know you mentioned 4-6 in on the ceiling. I'm 5 foot 9 and 1/2 inches tall I wanted a little space above my head. I've got a 20,000 BTU propane heater for it. I will run my temperature around 67 degrees no more than 70 degrees Max in the winter. I plan on running an air conditioning 15,000 through 30,000 BTU. I run this heater this 20000 BTU heater now in the winter time in a small room it works excellent. it's automatic cuts on and off with just leaving the pilot light running the whole time when it's on. But I want it to be cool in the summer warm in the winter. What do you think I should insulate the walls and ceiling with and how thick in your opinion I was planning on having closed foam cell insulation sprayed on the bottom because that should seal any cracks and crevices I have missed. I plan to go about an inch or inch and a half thick on the bottom. I'm going to be joining you guys soon I've had enough of big house life. I once lived in my car a year-and-a-half to two years and took a shower at a truck-stop for free when I was about 19 years old it's nothing new to me. And this way truly is the only way to go. more freedom more money in my pocket and less work I have to do. I'm working on this project now and selling off my stuff too thin way down. Bob you're an internet Superstar. You may not think so but you are. I may do a channel one day myself one day when I get time. Thanks Bob for all the great videos you do. you're helping out a lot of people and the homeless you may not realize it. And I totally agree with your thinking. I've always lived under my means. A man doesn't really need all the things he thinks he does.
Very informative video. I have been looking for a used camper trailer without any luck - too much wear and rear. I do have a nice cargo trailer and I think I can build it out into a camper that I would be happy with for my planned use.
I picked up an elderly 5x6 cargo trailer a couple of months ago to tow behind my VW T4 van. It's rusty and the rear doors are bent, but I'm going to have so much fun fixing it up to be my luxury bedroom on wheels. My van will still be able to be used on shorter trips in the mean time, but eventually, once I manage to push my last child out of the nest, that will be me, full time on the road. :)
Jeanette Lamb Have a tire man you trust make sure that your wheel hubs are road worthy. Older 'elderly' wheel hubs had to be greased more often than modern hubs and there bearings replaced as routine maintenance. A bad wheel bearing can cause a catastrophic crash. Be safe.
Thanks for the tip. I appreciate it. I'm doing a 6 week trip to the Red Center in August and will be getting the old girl some new tyres, so will get them to do a proper job of it.
I enjoyed your ideas, Bob, especially the better insulation, durability, and the fact that one can design the cargo trailer for their particular needs. And the window, well that just makes this all the more appealing! Independence and freedom are more valuable to me than being in debt for many years to come for some ready-made options that lose value much too quickly. I can tell you are happy to share your knowledge. Ignore the detractors that have no idea how to be happy with themselves. Thanks! 🤓
I bought last year an 18' long by about 7'+ wide cargo trailer that my Dad made . I bought it from his estate sale. I have it now full of over 50 years of my possessions. And I weighed it on the truck scales and it weighs over 4300 lbs. It was a little bit heavy for my truck suspension so I had some Airbags installed, and now it isn't a problem. And to avoid any problems with the transmission I had my transfer case and my transmission serviced and I had the shop install one of the best transmission coolers.I can pull in 3rd gear only to avoid clutch pack burnout. I've already done some driving with the trailer behind my truck and it pulls very well. I have a Leer canopy on the back of my truck and I have a bed set up ready built out back there. I agree with you and that cargo trailers are better than travel trailers.
If the articles I have read are correct there is a possible very important 11th reason. I have read that many of the new trailers have toxic materials in them. Your blank slate approach gives you the opportunity to research before you choose materials. Just a thought. Thank you so much for your amazing, informative, down to earth, inspiring and fun videos!
Did you at one time own a 1994 E-250 high-top van? I have it now, and love it! Some old goat/gold miner owner it at one time. I bought it at an auction in southern Ohio about four years ago. As with you, I can do the 5-gallon bucket thing and live minimally. Whoever built my van did a great job, the BED is as comfortable as any 5-star hotel, and a VERY HIGH QUALITY sleeping bag makes it warm in any weather. The points you make are all excellent. I think I'd tend to be just a bit fancier on the inside! Thanks for a fine vid!
Ironic. I recently built out the inside of a 6x12 cargo trailer, but its not for living in: its a combination toy-hauler for my bike and a portable ham radio station with fold-up desk and full power and antennas to the radios. I pull it with a van and the van is where I sleep. Perfect 2 room apartment/mancave on wheels!
tx2sturgis: If only I had a built out trailer to haul for my trips to Sturgis, I wouldn't have been so dog tired when I arrived. Too old to look cool and be all badass anymore.
Thanks Bob, its working well so far....and I see downstream that you mentioned your forum...hell I didnt even know you HAD a forum. Yes I knew about the website, but never noticed the forum section. You might want to 'plug' that feature on some of your videos...
I'm certainly seeing the logic here. I wintered in a 16' Panther one year, used no systems in the camper. I had a space heater and a hot plate. The lav was gutted, so I was either using the described solution or local facilities at a nearby gas station or restaurant. Roof leaked, and the door was a bit of a pain, natural being as old as it was. A bed and a counter in an insulated cargo trailer would have worked great, and would have far more room inside. I'd also mount a small a/c unit, and between that, the insulation, and stowable 'furniture', I could also put the trailer to work, hauling temperature sensitive light freight.
This is a lovely alternative build. Exactly where i will be soon. Only difference is i will be buying a canter truck and living in the back. Greetings from sunny Jamaica.
It's interesting. I'm looking at other options myself. My father lived in a camper and as you mentioned, everything that could have fallen apart did. What I have in mind is to completely rip the camper (wood, sheet metal, pipes, tanks, sink, fridge, and whatever) off of the frame (the camper is 24 feet long) and replace it with a truck box. I've seen truck boxes for sale that are over 20 feet long by 8 by 8 for the same $2500 and they'll deliver. Put in a couple of windows, a door, and no building permit required.
I'm so amazed this popped up in my feed! My Husband and I are currently right in the middle of our cargo trailer conversion build. If I had the chance to go back and make a choice whether I wanted the cargo trailer conversion, or the traditional travel trailer I would choose the cargo trailer again and again. I know that everything in my trailer is installed because we want it in there. I don't have a lot of weird electronics or complex plumbing to deal with, and it will be paid off in about a year or two. VASTLY different than what it costs to buy a travel trailer. Buying a cargo trailer for converting was the best idea my Husband and I have ever made in regards to this. Thank you for sharing your experience with them. Maybe more people will be interested in the concept. 😊
Chelsea - please send a PM to me via bobs forum (cheaprvliving.com). am user name GOSHAWK. Want to talk more about how you and your husband planned a cargo trailer. My girlfriend and I are wanting to do the same and need more ideas.
@Kevin j , forgive me for jumping in here but, there are literally hundreds & hundreds of You Tube videos available. Just enter Cargo Trailer conversions in the You Tube search engine.
I'm not a member of that site, but I will give you some pointers here Kevin. There are TONS of people on UA-cam who have videos that chronical their builds from start to finish. Also looks for the the online forum; "teardrops and tiny trailers". It's a forum for people who do home builds like teardrops and cargo conversions. Lastly, there are two groups on facebook (if you are on there). Look for "Cargo Trailer Conversions". A lot of the members of those two groups are in the middle of their builds or are new (like me), but there are other people who are members who are just starting out.
Bob, If you're happy, I'm happy. I use mine for recreational purposes and wouldn't dream of trying this with 5 kids, even with a 30' cargo trailer. Best of luck- I enjoyed the video.
Cargo vans have one outstanding advantage, and that are the big doors that allow you to put in furniture of your choice such as orthopedic recliners instead of a bed which is probably uncomfortable as well as taking up all the space.
Notice how Bob speaks without sounding like he is asking questions - professional and very easy to listen to. Too many video makers/interviewees have the very annoying habit of sounding like they are asking questions. "I started living as a nomad a few years ago?" "I didn't have much money?" "But I could afford a used van?"
Thank you for a very informative video. Bob, you clearly convey that cargo travel trailer lifestyle is indeed a viable affordable alternative. Best Regards!
Airstreams are pricey but pretty trouble free - still have a lot of 50s and beyond on the road. My 24' is 3600# dry. Honestly the cargo trailer is what I'd do if I had to do it over again.
We love our 6x10 and have traveled many thousands of miles with it. Sometimes we bring our ATV and sometimes not, depending on the trip. our choice of heat is a vented propane ice shack heater by Nu-Way stoves.
I bought a 24”travel trailer for $3,200 and just looked for signs of wear and tear that you mentioned. Was not the first one I looked at by any means. I have a shower, toilet, sink, can sleep 6, and central air and heat. Hands down travel trailer.
Right I bought a 1997 sandpiper for 2,000 the only problem was a cat urine smell and fleas but I paid a carpet cleaning company and I bought fogged and it’s going good
@@jonathanguzman8255 you either got lucky or really knew what to look for. Most people wind up with some pos that leaks or has dry rot or something like that.
Well said Bob , I'm currently building a 9 ' x 6' camper out of a trailor that I had . As you say , I just want basic easy necessary things in mine . Insulate it very good , a window on each side , I have alot to learn about solar power but I'll figure it out . I just won't need much solar for what I need i don't think , a couple l.E.D. lights and a 12 volt frig . Is about it . Thanks so much Bob for your videos ! 😀👍😀👍
This video just convinced me to get a cargo trailer. It just makes so much sense. Great information!! Exactly what I needed to hear!! Thank you so much for sharing your experience!!
i have lots of trailers and a bus, i swear by my cargo trailer, all the points you made are correct, its awsome for stealth mode, it definatly holds its value, and resale value. Tough and light,work or play. GOOD INVESTMENT :)
I would worry about being inside , use your bolt lock... only to find out that some A- hole closed the outside hasp lock on ya , leaving you trapped inside. !! 🤔
You made a lot of great points about using a cargo trailer. I have never considered using one before but now you got the wheels in my head turning. Right now I am using a 2007 chevy express cargo van just like yours and I could easily pull a cargo trailer behind me. I also have a 30' Keystone Sprinter travel trailer that has been collecting dust in storage for the past few years. I used to live in the 30 footer full time in a campground but I no longer do that and it's a lot of hassle to pull it to where I want to camp and set it up and tear it back down again so I just don't use it anymore. Anyways Bob, thanks for the great video, take care and be safe....
You're absolutely right and details count, especially the simple ones, but ppl will still insist on buying whatever ready-made junk. Thanks for letting us others know we are not alone in our practice of common sense.
Just a note of caution, some free or low cost campgrounds will not allow this. They insist on a self-contained RV and they will check the registration.
and you dont want to give these folks business. and you should tell everyone exactly who these RV camps are so we can all blacklist them. You want to see change, all we need is a blacklist of RV camps that are too aggressive with preventing self contained built Cargo Trailers, and they will change their tune fast.
Kevin J - these are free or low-cost campgrounds. And they have a good reason for not allowing them. They have had problems with people using the grounds as toilets. The first time I ran across this rule was at a mall parking lot. The mall allows RVs to park there overnight for free. But they have to be self-contained RVs. As it is free, I doubt they are going to become upset because they are blacklisted. Maybe they would change their rule if some people didn't think the world is their bathroom and don't even get me started on the trash problem. Some of the free campgrounds have been shut down because of trash, including used toilet paper. That is why I plan on picking up other people's trash and garbage when I start boondocking this summer.
DancesWithBears I have found that if you tell/show them that you have a chem toilet it solves the problem. Also, the parking for the night is usually free because they derive business from the campers lol. There's always a money angle lol. Hey by the way thanks for picking up the trash left by losers while you are boondocking. I do the same in fact I recently chose a spot to camp for 3-4 days just so I could clean up a huge mess someone made/left out in our forest. I ended up taking a full pickup load to the dump and even more than that to the recycling place.
THAT IS IT! I considered a travel trailer, even priced them. They were more than I thought while getting less than I want. This is the solution. Thank you x infinity.
you can put a good pad lock on front hitch hole, also another trick if you have wagon style rims(slots in them) , run a coated cable through each rim if dual rims, if only one rim run a long chain through each side back& forth use good locks...also but may not be best idea ( remember safety) jack up /block remove tires lol
joe smith .... my neighbor has this item that covers his whole tire (I think it wraps around the entire tire) then when he locks it into his tire... Can find it at the auto store
Good ideas joe and Alvara! In the event someone breaks in simple stand alone alarm systems can be used to alert you. A throwaway phone with a free tracking app can also be permanently wired into your system and placed in a discreet location. That said, the best way to secure your trailer is to park in a very low crimne area like most BLM land. :)
85bigsky I have a device that goes where the ball should go in the inch and it locks in place so that no one can just hook up to it and drive away. I bought it at a UHaul store but I've seen them at Walmart and on amazon
i really like your world/life views and you always make good arguments for your side of things, i originaly wanted to buy a large fifth wheel and truck but the van and or cargo trailer makes a good point.
All I really want in a small cargo trailer conversion is a bed frame bolted to the floor with a decent matress (preferrably a regular mattress and box spring), a desk (also bolted to the floor) and some outlets, along with an AC unit and a window. I mean it would be nice to add a small hand-pump shower and toilet but those would be extras.
Hello Bob thanks for sharing this important info. I think I'm in trouble, I own a used 96 coachmen catalina 33ft and I only use it seasonal at a campground everything works thankfully however I have never taken it out on the road since I don't have a vehicle to tow it. I am looking to sell it and get a rv class c. it is just my daughter 12yrs n I my husband passed away in 2012 accident at work. I do want to stop being a slave and do the rv life but I'm dealing with depression and fears. I want you to know that all the videos I've watched are so inspiring.
Yina A. Santos stay positive! I know dealing with difficult life "stuff" can be a burden sometimes, but you'll be happier when you take control of your future. I know because I'm in the same sort of situation. good luck!
Depression can come in a variety of flavors. Sometimes it's a brain chemical problem out of balance and needs treatment that way. Other times, it's situational. In 1994, my divorce from my first husband ended a 9 year relationship. Before we broke up, I felt a lot of depression, but after, it melted down to a minor inconvenience. Dig deep for the courage to ask for help. Sounds like you got a lot of dreams and plans. That's a good sign. Life Coach Barbara Sher helped me get a lot of focus for my own life. She talks a lot about how to get what you REALLY want and how to go about figuring out what that is. Hope this helps.
I have a perfectly used one given to me. I will avoid windows...and err on side of large roof vent/escape hatch from a Freightliner. It will give me access to the roof. Will also have a small sailboat wood burner w/ chimney to pop out the side as needed (won't be obvious) . Re-decking my roof w/ 5/8" and .040 single sheet alum from a tractor trailer trailer repair shop. Alum uni-strut will be edge closure and basis for rack system as needed. I have travelled all over US, Canada, and Mexico and LOVE to sleep on the roof. Harden your side walls for security when your not around it. My tongue is also going to be completely removable via Reese style receivers (I am a welder) and can be stowed or taken w/ me in vehicle. Also four internal jacks at corners for stability.
Trailer on wheels is the Same as the car safer place to be in lightning storm is a car the hit will fry the computers but not passengers .and there's always a 1 in millions chance something would happen but that's life.this type no different than aluminum RV
Hi Bob! We LOVE this idea. We are at the point of trying to figure out what we want our RV to be. We've been looking at high roof vans, but when I found this video, we may change our mind. I have one question. How do you keep people from just hooking up to it and stealing it when your out and about? I'm sure there's lots of security things you can buy, I wouldn't know where to begin or even which is best. Can you help us out with that question? Thanks so much for posting this awesome video!!!
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1. Price
2. Better insulation
3. Durability
4. Weight
5. Back roads
6. Blank slate
7. Resale
8. No systems to fail
9. Stealth
10. Versatility
Great video! Good info! I'm inspired!
Thumbs up if you love brevity and lists in writing.
1. Price- cheaper and newer. Newer roof etc.
2. Insulation- do your own and do it great.
3. Durabillity- Reliable through simplicity and availability of parts.
4. Weight- much lighter.
5. Tougher- made to work. Tougher hide than aluminum.
6. Blank Slate- make it how you want it. Fit your needs.
7. Resale- Save thousands and don't lose thousands either.
8. No Systems to fail- simple and reliable.
9. Stealth- Doesn't have "I'm an RV!" written all over it.
10. Versatile- It's modular. You can change it around. Easy to sell. Use it for storage.
theskiviking Thanks, saved me from watching more than 3 minutes.
Such a rarity amongst UA-cam videos these days. This guy is "all class"....
Big fan of brevity. Thought I was alone.
Agreed
I appreciate this gentleman
After watching this video 6 year ago I bought a 2010 Haulmark 7x14 cargo trailer that was already set up for camping by the original owner. I have since done extensive modifications. I still have it and still love it. I just had a trailer hitch installed so I can use a cargo carrier with my Predator generator. I ahve a couple of videos showing what I did. Thanks Bob!
This video was the reason I went with a cargo trailer! Haven't had a single regret! Versatility is the best thing! I can live in my trailer and still use it to haul things! I hated my rvs and my last pop up camper!
I am going to add to your list of 10. Room. I am in a wheel chair and the new rvs arent set up to handle them. Also if you haul a camp trailer and your tow vehicle breaks down you can still live in it while the vehicle is being worked on. :)
I get it. My daughter is in a wheelchair and I have been researching affordable camping options for 2 years. I’m so tired of hotels and being limited to finding campgrounds with ada cabins. On our last road trip in April to Ohio then to South Dakota and back to California I saw a toy-hauler with the ramp down and had a lightbulb moment so started researching those. I found what I believe will work for us. It’s called a Vymeron. After talking with another family who has a child in a wheelchair and owns a Vymeron I placed my order. We will pick it up late September. I went pretty minimal. No tanks. No sink. No heater. No frig.
I know this is years later... but what is your lift solution?
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Bob, I'd watched this la year ago when I was first envisioning my travel vehicle arrangements, and even now, as I am much further along (with a van purchase, floor, sofa-bed semi-conversion behind me...and thinking more towards designing my own cargo lighter trailer to pull with it, this has helped me once again solidify my thinking and clarify my vision for what matters most to me...and I just SO appreciate how you and your most helpful insights have been so very helpful, Bob...and every so often I just have to pipe up and say so! So many different agendas in the industry, and many well-meaning...and maybe some not so much...people pushing different things that I often hear about later as being problematic in many ways, and so often not worth the headaches. In the midst of all that, your presence and voice has been a breath of fresh air...so many, many times, and I can't thank you enough!
Thanks Bob! It's interesting to see what rigs people change to over time. I have chemical sensitivities. I bought a used Airstream Basecamp thinking I could make it work. Unfortunately, any time there is any moisture I can taste and smell the adhesives (from the flooring and bathroom). It's awful. I wanted to push through and just use it, but have decided it's not worth sacrificing my health over. SO, going with a cargo trailer and will use low or non toxic ways to build it out! Leaving this comment for other folks with CS.
Thank you for your comment. I feel lucky I discovered this video. After looking at the prices of used small 5th wheels this makes so much more sense.
I've had my 6 x 12 cargo trailer now going on 7 years, and love it! Had it built and pre-wired at the factory, with 6'-6" interior height, rear barn doors, and a RV type door lock, then finished it out inside based on how you and Randy did yours! No windows, so pretty much total stealth. With 300 watts of solar on the roof, I have all the power I need for computer and small Dometic fridge and my tv and a lamp. I have it set up very simply, and am EXTREMELY comfortable! Would not trade it for anything!
Well, I went with the 6 x 12 single axle because I felt that was the smallest size I could be comfortable in. Have camped in mostly National Forests and the deserts of Arizona, boondocking, no hookups with no problems. I DO NOT PAY for camping! The solar is (3)-100 watt panels feeding into (2)-100 amp hour AGM batteries via a 30 amp MPPT BlueSky controller and a 2300/4600 watt PSW inverter.
I think you would be OK, the 318 is a good engine. I pull mine with a E350 Super Duty, and its less than 1800 pounds loaded.
I don't think it would be appropriate to post pics on Bobs YT channel.....I know Bob, and don't think he would appreciate it. I will however share pics to anyones email......
John are you on bobs forum? what is your user name. Try contacting me via that. I am user name GOSHAWK and would like to see pictures. am in the market for a CT convert plan and love to see different set ups. Glad bob made this video.
John, I encourage you to start a thread on my forum here (if you haven't already), then post the link to it in this thread. www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Forum-Miscellaneous-Vehicles
I work as an RV technician, I will be building my own, working on them all day I would not waste a penny of my money on a junk RV. Anything I can afford is JUNK and built like garbage by unskilled minimum wage workers. Trust me on this, I fix poor workmanship and cheap parts all day long, correction cheaply made parts but expensive to buy. Only thing I dont agree with is the Mr buddy heater, the catalytic heaters cause mad condensation inside your unit. If you use a furnace from a small camper that has no blower it has very little electrical draw and with a chimney to the outside you dont get the water vapor with the heat.
You're an idiot. Lmao. .
thanks for telling the truth JR, your a dying breed unfortunately. hats off.....
I've seen vids illustrating the cheap construction of campers. and, anything used is bound to have water damage. seems like the ultimate cheapo method would be to get one free or for a few hundred bucks, light it on fire, sandblast, paint, and build it from scratch. it all adds up as they say but i cant see it being a whole lot.
What about marine heater, would that work?
Can you explain to me what kind of camper furnace that doesn't have blower?
Bob gives the best advice and as he has lived this life style longer then most of us take notice as he knows most things. The most important thing in life is a safe place to sleep and when your eyes are shut you don't see your surroundings. There is nothing wrong with pooing in a bag in a bucket it's only food what has been in your own body. Then just bin it like you would dog poo. Why waste huge amounts of money on items just so your rig looks good when you can live cheap. This life style is about the great out doors not like been a prisoner in your rig. I'm 60 years old and spent a huge part of my life living simple on the road less travelled. I don't care what others think of my life style I've traveled all over the world saved a fortune on rent and property taxes. Most people just show off with items they have on credit they may look nice but that's not living. Keep it simple I'm truly happy and Bob certainly is with our simple life styles. what you don't have no body can steal from you.
It's 2022 and I'm watching all of the cargo trailer videos over again because that's what I have decided on. Bob Wells @CheapRVLiving, your advice is worth millions! Thank you.
I love that. “trouble on wheels” is exactly what I don’t want!! And you design it. !!
Nice video. I agree with you 100%... My first was a 12 x 6. Lasted 4 years and ran out of space. then a big one. 32 ft x 8 ft.. Had it for 14 years and a semi took out my tow diesel truck that pulled it . The 32 footer was my mobile studio, camper, boat hauler, car and motorcycle hauler, and camper. I loved it. Had no truck to haul it so I had to down size to a 24 foot and now I have to start all over again. Oh well. I fully agree a cargo trailer is the best choice. You can make it your dream on wheels. My new one will look like the inside of a boat and be cool for me. Good luck to all the trailer buffs.
Thanks Bob, i just got a new 12x6 and had no idea about the insulation. Now i do😎
A great example of keeping it simple. With a little DIY skill, you get exactly what you want for your travel needs.
True, true, true. Even 5yrs later. Thanks Bob.
Sept. 2021 went to TrailersPlus and bought a 6×12 interstate loadrunner with the barn doors and white color ;-) towed it with a 2005 gmc savama 2500 4.8 4 sped automatic.
Thank you man!!...I was this close to buy a Rv ..YOU save me a lot of headaches
I just bought a used 4x6x5 V-nose with the ramp. Converting it to a camper/toy hauler... Added 2 windows on the road side and a 26x36 door on the passenger side. Short cabinet in the "V" will hold a 32" TV, Speakers and all elec equipment. Thinking of a ramp room extension!
0:55 (#1) Price
3:18 (#2) Better Insulation
4:15 (#3) Durability
6:01 (#4) Weight
7:27 (#5) Back Roads
8:16 (#6) A Blank Slate
9:46 (#7) Resale
10:30 (#8) No Systems to Fail
11:49 (#9) Stealth
12:37 (#10) Versatility
Thx
No suspension is a big downside
@@OffTheBeatenPath_ it likely has torsion axle = suspension
12:00 If you really want stealth on that with the windows you could put a perforated business decal right over it. Clear from the inside and privacy on the outside.
I’m only part way through your video and I already agree with you 100% ! I had a motorhome, my parents had a couple of house trailers, my sister and a nephew Aldo have and have had hose trailers. All were built cheap! Leaks and appliance issues, just 2x2 framework covered with an aluminum skin.
I grew up in Richmond, Indiana... I heard that Tom Raper shot over the bow... well done sir!
I've thought about how I would build my micro home and I had come to the conclusion that a cargo trailer is best for the same reasons you mentioned. I'm in the process of getting it done !! Smart guy.
What would
You haul your cargo trailer with ?
Probably a SUV
@Fernando G Thank you for asking about me and my trailer. I am working on it. I treated the bed liner of my cargo with a treatment for rust. I put up stabilizers so it's not wabbley and my material from the hardware store arrived a few days ago. I've gathered some tools from friends and the fun begins.
I a new subscriber and ordered a ARE TW last week I have a 12 week waiting period. I will be living out of it in the next few years. I am used to living in small spaces as I was in the Navy and Then got into truck driving. I am currently taking care of my mom full time. I am ready to get back on the road full time. I hope too meet up with other nomads to run with.
Love all 10 of your reasons. All make sense. I almost went that route but ultimately decided on a new, small TT. There are also pros to having a TT, as I have determined that there are pros and cons to every single motorhome/ travel trailer/cargo van/cargo trailer choice. All depends upon one's budget, one's lifestyle, and one's overall situation. I wish you all the best.
Thank you for that great video and advice. I ended up purchasing a Interstate Victory 6x10 trailer. I did find out that the Victory is structurally the same as the the upgraded Loadrunner if you get and painted model i.e Pewter, Champagne or Black the skin is .030 instead of the the White Victory which is .024 ,the only other difference is some cosmetic add ons. And it was $250.00 less
I get the impression that you have discovered your life's calling here Bob, congratulations, and great videos.
I have indeed Big Al, thank you.
Ditto!!
Bob Congradulations on the RTR2019 I couldn't make it in person this year but hopefully 2020 I couldn't believe the change in qty of people from 2018 when we came Just wonderful and inspiring God bless u in your travels rest of the year💝😄
Just bought a 7 x 16 load runner all because of you Bob years later
Double axl? Barn doors? V-nose? Thx
@@qnslanman interstate loadrunner double acle ramp door flat nose. It was easoest one i could get. So much demand and i also didnt want to order one or drive 3 hours one way
PSA: Mr. Buddy heaters are not designed to be used indoors without adequate ventilation. Don't turn one on in a cargo trailer with all the windows closed and go to sleep.
Not true, they are approved for indoor use in 48 states. Only two nanny states prohibit their use. They have built in low oxygen protection.
@@brianpdaniels it's true for some models
@@targeted4truthjahsun No, I called Mr Buddy and asked. They do have two models. One is sale in 48 states, the other is for sale in two nanny states CA and MA. I asked what the difference was, and they told me the warning on the box was the only difference. Perhaps you should call them and ask for yourself.
There has been recent reviews on this done on UA-cam with digital carbon monoxide detectors. Perfectly safe
@@hickoryridgefarms It really never is safe because the by products of combustion are still there. Cause cancers and respitory illness. Get one of those cheap Espar style diesel heaters from eBay and it will vent 100% outside. Don't run buddy heaters. They might not kill you immediately but they are hurting you
I wish I would have bought one years ago. New trailers today are higher priced after Covid and aren't made as strong, using 1x1 square tubing and chipboard instead of supports this one has and plywood, and roof vents are extra. Sept. '21 my 2021 Pace American 6x12 6'6" high V-nose Ramp single axle costed me $4800 with tax. It started at $4200 and landed around $4500 before tax. I added a spare tire, 14x14 roof vent with 4" 12v fan, one 12v light, and single leg jacks for the back corners.
Wow ! I'm 6'5". Been viewing your Videos & Conversions of Regular Vans, High Top Vans & RVs. Also Pickups with & without towing Trailers. Viewed this same Video at least one year ago. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. I've gone through the ' Round Robin ' on this. Conclusion: Either a Regular Large Van or a Basic 4X4 Pickup with a Cap towing a Modified Cargo Trailer - Stealth. A simple, progressive way to go. It would be real nice to buy an Oversized High Van - New and/or used - could cost a fortune before/after a conversion. As always, you stress " Buy CheapRVliving " . Thanks again for Great Advice. Bye.
Bob, I've been watching your videos for a couple of weeks now and I must say that they are some of the most informative on the subject. We've been thinking of going on the road and this vid about a cargo trailer was invaluable. Thanks you so much for your willingness to share your experiences and what you've learned. God bless you and keep you safe and sound.
I paid $1500 for my loadrunner. 14'x6'. Brand new.
Sorry you're giving up your prize trailer. I know all about letting g stuff own you, I moved from 1800square ft to 1200 to 700 square ft! All boxes now, little furniture. But , it's paid for, it's 1.5 acres fenced in, my dog loves it. Just not nearly far enuf out! When I moved in here, I remembered WHY I left Atlanta! Just not nearly far enuf out! Back out of the driveway into a two lane hiway... 😵 I really like your trailer! The way you had it before. Lovely, just enuf.
But, sorry to see your friend moving along without you. Good video as usual, thanks. God bless and keep you in your travels. 👍
This is what I'm going to do. I'm real excited I've made a decision. Your videos have helped me so much. Thank You Bob for sharing the stories and all the things you do for RTR.
That is what I've been wanting. I want it for a shower/ bathroom and closet with some storage. I want the drop down back door for a small patio.
I lived in a 24 x 8 ft cargo trailer for around 4 years. It was way to big and I sold it and now live in a 12x20 converted shed and it's fine. However I am think about going out west and live in my Chevy HHR before I get much older and my heart gives up on me, I just turned 65. Just found your channel today and already learned a lot and expect to learn more. Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge.
6 x 10 Trailer. $2,800 Total Purchase Price in 2005, and was brand new.
1) Price 0:56
2) Better Insulation 3:17
3) Durability 4:15
4) Weight 6:00
5) Back Roads 7:27
6) Blank Slate 8:16
7) Resale 9:46
8) No Systems to Fail 10:30
9) Stealth 11:49
10) Versatility 12:37
Key Items:
Bucket Potty, no plumbing.
Mr Buddy Heater
Extra Insulation
Windows
So why did you sell
I can't find anything even remotely in that price range what's the brand of this trailer is anybody has suggestions
@@Beautifullyanointed69 that was in 2005, a trailer like this now is easily $5,000
U GOT IT, make it how U want, I use a 5 gallon bucket, 13 gallon trash bags, no Muss no Fuss, no plumbing, very easy to insulate, solar on the roof, GREAT VIDEO, thanks William
Great vid, thanks for sharing. Funny, I'm interested in portable liveable spaces and had drawn many of the exact same conclusions as this after going over various possibilities. One major one reason I think was overlooked is the insurance cost as a non motored trailer is much less. Another related to this is unlike a motor home/rv if an engine has trouble your compartment is a separate item/can be moved still or used with another vehicle. Another, is that unlike a truck camper, the shape is independent of the vehicle so can be carried by various types, such as your van.
very well thought out, I arrived at the same conclusions. i love the fact that it is a blank slate and you can build to your specs and know it was done right
Many RV parks on the Texas coast will not allow cargo trailers :(
Sadly a lot of places don't.
@@karebear9128 One said that the RV cant be over 10 years- old
Could summarize it this way:
Cargo Trailer Conversions videos show how much the owner enjoyed making it and using it.
'Regular RV' videos show the owners frustration with their $50K+ trailer falling apart, suing the manufacturer, going to court, etc.
I am leaning heavily this way. A partial shoulder replacement kind of forced me to continue researching before taking the plunge. Here are a couple questions I have, though:
1) Insurance. If it's insured as a cargo trailer, will your belongings contained within the trailer be covered?
2) I mostly plan to boondock, but there may be occasions when visiting family that there will be no free camping. How accepting would campgrounds and RV parks be of a cargo trailer? Sometimes I think if you add some of those awful mauve and blue graphics on the side of anything, an RV park will accept you.
Lori Smith I had a campground membership a few years ago and camped in a cargo trailer, there were no problems, other campgrounds welcomed us as well. I am hoping to redo the interior soon, before there was an inflatable mattress, refrigerator and some shelving. Hoping to install countertop, removable couch/bed storge and table to make it livable.
Hope you know your way around power tools, DC wiring, carpentry, pluming, and a tape measure.
wrangler I've seen that video several times. They did a great job.
TT Travels No but I'm happy to pay someone for their knowledge and expertise. An exchange of goods: when one needs something they don't have but they can exchange something the person with knowledge needs. In this case, expertise for money.
Jane Eckert Thanks Jane. That's good to know. I'm sure it will be a case by case basis. :-)
We bought someone else’s problem RV a year ago. It was a money pit. Lived out of it for the summer then finally sold it. Now we are bouncing back from the debt and I think we may just do this...thanks! 💛
I'm no expert but to me the RVs always looked like they are designed to break. I mean, you are basically driving around a house that was constructed in the cheapest way possible by the manufacturer.
Everything you said Bob is right. On the East Coast I decided to go new cargo trailer on 28 through 34 foot bumper pull trailers I have. because used ones were almost as much as new and at times more than new. I'm converting a cargo trailer 8ft wide inside by 32 ft long X 76 in tall. I wish I would have went 6 inch taller than normal height on the ceiling. I live high in the mountains and it snows sometimes up to 2 or 2.5 foot max. Also on a flat roof trailer you've got to keep the snow off of it or it could cave it in on these big trailers the round roof trailer I have in a 32-foot you don't have to worry about it it's had two and a half foot of snow and never caved in. That's one advantage of the round roof trailer it stronger and will support a few feet of snow. These big trailers that I'm talking about or not as strong as some of the small ones like you've got they turn the bean sideways which make them so strong with a piece of plywood on them you could walk on them. What is snow covering a few inches on these flat roof trailers I have the ceiling was bowing I had to get out and scrape all the trailers off during the winter time snow storm. I'm converting this cargo trailer 32 ft long 8 ft wide x 76 in tall into a stealth hidden cargo living trailer to live in. I know you have a lot of knowledge in building as much as you seen and all the videos you've done. I put an inch of insulation White foam insulation with a silver back in the clear plastic on the other side in the walls and siliconed it for close to airtight fit. What would you run on the ceiling would you run I know you mentioned 4-6 in on the ceiling. I'm 5 foot 9 and 1/2 inches tall I wanted a little space above my head. I've got a 20,000 BTU propane heater for it. I will run my temperature around 67 degrees no more than 70 degrees Max in the winter. I plan on running an air conditioning 15,000 through 30,000 BTU. I run this heater this 20000 BTU heater now in the winter time in a small room it works excellent. it's automatic cuts on and off with just leaving the pilot light running the whole time when it's on. But I want it to be cool in the summer warm in the winter. What do you think I should insulate the walls and ceiling with and how thick in your opinion I was planning on having closed foam cell insulation sprayed on the bottom because that should seal any cracks and crevices I have missed. I plan to go about an inch or inch and a half thick on the bottom. I'm going to be joining you guys soon I've had enough of big house life. I once lived in my car a year-and-a-half to two years and took a shower at a truck-stop for free when I was about 19 years old it's nothing new to me. And this way truly is the only way to go. more freedom more money in my pocket and less work I have to do. I'm working on this project now and selling off my stuff too thin way down. Bob you're an internet Superstar. You may not think so but you are. I may do a channel one day myself one day when I get time. Thanks Bob for all the great videos you do. you're helping out a lot of people and the homeless you may not realize it. And I totally agree with your thinking. I've always lived under my means. A man doesn't really need all the things he thinks he does.
Good commentary
Enjoyed reading your report but like the snow on the roof, using paragraphs makes it easier to read. Just joshing you. Thanks for the report.
Very informative video. I have been looking for a used camper trailer without any luck - too much wear and rear. I do have a nice cargo trailer and I think I can build it out into a camper that I would be happy with for my planned use.
I picked up an elderly 5x6 cargo trailer a couple of months ago to tow behind my VW T4 van. It's rusty and the rear doors are bent, but I'm going to have so much fun fixing it up to be my luxury bedroom on wheels.
My van will still be able to be used on shorter trips in the mean time, but eventually, once I manage to push my last child out of the nest, that will be me, full time on the road. :)
Sounds great Jeanette have fun with your build!
Jeanette Lamb You have a beautiful smile Jeanette. I wish you the best of luck.I hope to be doing the same thing very soon.
Jeanette Lamb
Have a tire man you trust make sure that your wheel hubs are road worthy. Older 'elderly' wheel hubs had to be greased more often than modern hubs and there bearings replaced as routine maintenance. A bad wheel bearing can cause a catastrophic crash. Be safe.
Thanks for the tip. I appreciate it.
I'm doing a 6 week trip to the Red Center in August and will be getting the old girl some new tyres, so will get them to do a proper job of it.
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I enjoyed your ideas, Bob, especially the better insulation, durability, and the fact that one can design the cargo trailer for their particular needs. And the window, well that just makes this all the more appealing! Independence and freedom are more valuable to me than being in debt for many years to come for some ready-made options that lose value much too quickly. I can tell you are happy to share your knowledge. Ignore the detractors that have no idea how to be happy with themselves. Thanks! 🤓
Love this Idea, I see a cargo trailer in my future!
I bought last year an 18' long by about 7'+ wide cargo trailer that my Dad made . I bought it from his estate sale. I have it now full of over 50 years of my possessions. And I weighed it on the truck scales and it weighs over 4300 lbs. It was a little bit heavy for my truck suspension so I had some Airbags installed, and now it isn't a problem. And to avoid any problems with the transmission I had my transfer case and my transmission serviced and I had the shop install one of the best transmission coolers.I can pull in 3rd gear only to avoid clutch pack burnout. I've already done some driving with the trailer behind my truck and it pulls very well. I have a Leer canopy on the back of my truck and I have a bed set up ready built out back there.
I agree with you and that cargo trailers are better than travel trailers.
If the articles I have read are correct there is a possible very important 11th reason. I have read that many of the new trailers have toxic materials in them. Your blank slate approach gives you the opportunity to research before you choose materials. Just a thought. Thank you so much for your amazing, informative, down to earth, inspiring and fun videos!
Did you at one time own a 1994 E-250 high-top van?
I have it now, and love it!
Some old goat/gold miner owner it at one time. I bought it at an auction in southern Ohio about four years ago.
As with you, I can do the 5-gallon bucket thing and live minimally.
Whoever built my van did a great job, the BED is as comfortable as any 5-star hotel, and a VERY HIGH QUALITY sleeping bag makes it warm in any weather.
The points you make are all excellent.
I think I'd tend to be just a bit fancier on the inside!
Thanks for a fine vid!
I have watched this video 3 times. Each time I watch I learn something I did not hear previously. Nice job.
3 times?
@@bikinggal1 My first comment was 4 years ago.
Ironic.
I recently built out the inside of a 6x12 cargo trailer, but its not for living in: its a combination toy-hauler for my bike and a portable ham radio station with fold-up desk and full power and antennas to the radios. I pull it with a van and the van is where I sleep.
Perfect 2 room apartment/mancave on wheels!
tx2sturgis: If only I had a built out trailer to haul for my trips to Sturgis, I wouldn't have been so dog tired when I arrived. Too old to look cool and be all badass anymore.
I rode to Sturgis 17 times. That's enough for me.
tx2stugis what is your call sign? need to look you up. N1KTJ
Sounds like a great setup for you tx2sturgis.
Thanks Bob, its working well so far....and I see downstream that you mentioned your forum...hell I didnt even know you HAD a forum. Yes I knew about the website, but never noticed the forum section. You might want to 'plug' that feature on some of your videos...
Love the way this guy thinks. I love efficiency. Add some solar and rock on.
I'm certainly seeing the logic here. I wintered in a 16' Panther one year, used no systems in the camper. I had a space heater and a hot plate. The lav was gutted, so I was either using the described solution or local facilities at a nearby gas station or restaurant. Roof leaked, and the door was a bit of a pain, natural being as old as it was. A bed and a counter in an insulated cargo trailer would have worked great, and would have far more room inside. I'd also mount a small a/c unit, and between that, the insulation, and stowable 'furniture', I could also put the trailer to work, hauling temperature sensitive light freight.
Outstanding overview Bob. Thank you. I love my Harley and really want to bring it with.
This is a lovely alternative build. Exactly where i will be soon. Only difference is i will be buying a canter truck and living in the back. Greetings from sunny Jamaica.
Thanks Bob, very informative, been thinking of this type of living for years. I like your 10 reasons to buy a cargo trailer are right on. Thanks
It's interesting. I'm looking at other options myself. My father lived in a camper and as you mentioned, everything that could have fallen apart did. What I have in mind is to completely rip the camper (wood, sheet metal, pipes, tanks, sink, fridge, and whatever) off of the frame (the camper is 24 feet long) and replace it with a truck box. I've seen truck boxes for sale that are over 20 feet long by 8 by 8 for the same $2500 and they'll deliver. Put in a couple of windows, a door, and no building permit required.
I'm so amazed this popped up in my feed! My Husband and I are currently right in the middle of our cargo trailer conversion build. If I had the chance to go back and make a choice whether I wanted the cargo trailer conversion, or the traditional travel trailer I would choose the cargo trailer again and again. I know that everything in my trailer is installed because we want it in there. I don't have a lot of weird electronics or complex plumbing to deal with, and it will be paid off in about a year or two. VASTLY different than what it costs to buy a travel trailer. Buying a cargo trailer for converting was the best idea my Husband and I have ever made in regards to this. Thank you for sharing your experience with them. Maybe more people will be interested in the concept. 😊
Chelsea - please send a PM to me via bobs forum (cheaprvliving.com). am user name GOSHAWK. Want to talk more about how you and your husband planned a cargo trailer. My girlfriend and I are wanting to do the same and need more ideas.
@Kevin j , forgive me for jumping in here but, there are literally hundreds & hundreds of You Tube videos available. Just enter Cargo Trailer conversions in the You Tube search engine.
I'm not a member of that site, but I will give you some pointers here Kevin. There are TONS of people on UA-cam who have videos that chronical their builds from start to finish. Also looks for the the online forum; "teardrops and tiny trailers". It's a forum for people who do home builds like teardrops and cargo conversions. Lastly, there are two groups on facebook (if you are on there). Look for "Cargo Trailer Conversions". A lot of the members of those two groups are in the middle of their builds or are new (like me), but there are other people who are members who are just starting out.
Bob, If you're happy, I'm happy. I use mine for recreational purposes and wouldn't dream of trying this with 5 kids, even with a 30' cargo trailer. Best of luck- I enjoyed the video.
17:55 is when you can see inside.
The hero we need
wow, that's a lot of talk time. I was numb before seeing the inside.
I love this guy. Reminds me if trying to have a conversation with my dad
This is the 1st of your vids I've seen. It earned you a sub.
Cargo vans have one outstanding advantage, and that are the big doors that allow you to put in furniture of your choice such as orthopedic recliners instead of a bed which is probably uncomfortable as well as taking up all the space.
Nicely presented and well organized reasons! I totally agree! Thank you for sharing!
Notice how Bob speaks without sounding like he is asking questions - professional and very easy to listen to.
Too many video makers/interviewees have the very annoying habit of sounding like they are asking questions.
"I started living as a nomad a few years ago?" "I didn't have much money?" "But I could afford a used van?"
Thank you for a very informative video. Bob, you clearly convey that cargo travel trailer lifestyle is indeed a viable affordable alternative. Best Regards!
Thank you!
Airstreams are pricey but pretty trouble free - still have a lot of 50s and beyond on the road. My 24' is 3600# dry.
Honestly the cargo trailer is what I'd do if I had to do it over again.
Thanks Bob, you convinced me to design a cargo trailer to RV Camper.
We love our 6x10 and have traveled many thousands of miles with it. Sometimes we bring our ATV and sometimes not, depending on the trip. our choice of heat is a vented propane ice shack heater by Nu-Way stoves.
Thanks for posting Gonagain. :)
I bought a 24”travel trailer for $3,200 and just looked for signs of wear and tear that you mentioned. Was not the first one I looked at by any means. I have a shower, toilet, sink, can sleep 6, and central air and heat. Hands down travel trailer.
Matt Jay Watson probably a 1980’s to 1990’s? Lol
It can take a while to hunt down that unicorn.
Right I bought a 1997 sandpiper for 2,000 the only problem was a cat urine smell and fleas but I paid a carpet cleaning company and I bought fogged and it’s going good
@@jonathanguzman8255 you either got lucky or really knew what to look for. Most people wind up with some pos that leaks or has dry rot or something like that.
Joe Leek yeah that true I knew what to look for
Well said Bob , I'm currently building a 9 ' x 6' camper out of a trailor that I had .
As you say , I just want basic easy necessary things in mine .
Insulate it very good , a window on each side , I have alot to learn about solar power but I'll figure it out . I just won't need much solar for what I need i don't think , a couple l.E.D. lights and a 12 volt frig . Is about it .
Thanks so much Bob for your videos ! 😀👍😀👍
This video just convinced me to get a cargo trailer. It just makes so much sense. Great information!! Exactly what I needed to hear!! Thank you so much for sharing your experience!!
i have lots of trailers and a bus, i swear by my cargo trailer, all the points you made are correct, its awsome for stealth mode,
it definatly holds its value, and resale value. Tough and light,work or play. GOOD INVESTMENT :)
I would worry about being inside , use your bolt lock... only to find out that some A- hole closed the outside hasp lock on ya , leaving you trapped inside. !! 🤔
That thought yes, but you put your lock on the hasp to prevent that
I took the outside lock of my back door. Only locks from the inside.
You made a lot of great points about using a cargo trailer. I have never considered using one before but now you got the wheels in my head turning. Right now I am using a 2007 chevy express cargo van just like yours and I could easily pull a cargo trailer behind me. I also have a 30' Keystone Sprinter travel trailer that has been collecting dust in storage for the past few years. I used to live in the 30 footer full time in a campground but I no longer do that and it's a lot of hassle to pull it to where I want to camp and set it up and tear it back down again so I just don't use it anymore. Anyways Bob, thanks for the great video, take care and be safe....
This is fabulous! Can I ask, can you camp with this in a state park? Thanks for putting this up! :)
You're absolutely right and details count, especially the simple ones, but ppl will still insist on buying whatever ready-made junk. Thanks for letting us others know we are not alone in our practice of common sense.
Just a note of caution, some free or low cost campgrounds will not allow this. They insist on a self-contained RV and they will check the registration.
and you dont want to give these folks business. and you should tell everyone exactly who these RV camps are so we can all blacklist them. You want to see change, all we need is a blacklist of RV camps that are too aggressive with preventing self contained built Cargo Trailers, and they will change their tune fast.
Kevin J - these are free or low-cost campgrounds. And they have a good reason for not allowing them. They have had problems with people using the grounds as toilets. The first time I ran across this rule was at a mall parking lot. The mall allows RVs to park there overnight for free. But they have to be self-contained RVs. As it is free, I doubt they are going to become upset because they are blacklisted. Maybe they would change their rule if some people didn't think the world is their bathroom and don't even get me started on the trash problem. Some of the free campgrounds have been shut down because of trash, including used toilet paper. That is why I plan on picking up other people's trash and garbage when I start boondocking this summer.
DancesWithBears I have found that if you tell/show them that you have a chem toilet it solves the problem. Also, the parking for the night is usually free because they derive business from the campers lol. There's always a money angle lol. Hey by the way thanks for picking up the trash left by losers while you are boondocking. I do the same in fact I recently chose a spot to camp for 3-4 days just so I could clean up a huge mess someone made/left out in our forest. I ended up taking a full pickup load to the dump and even more than that to the recycling place.
Prepperjon thank you for cleaning our planet 🌎 we only have 1 😁
@@kevinj8258 it's too many of them dude.
Hey, Awesome video. I was scared when I saw a 25 minute video but you did a great job. You've changed my mind on a lot. Keep it up! I'll be watching
You sold me Bob. I got my 6 X 12 Cargo Trailer today. 😊
I think you'll be glad you did!
kvnmcinturff1, congrats! I hope you get years of enjoyment from your trailer!
THAT IS IT! I considered a travel trailer, even priced them. They were more than I thought while getting less than I want. This is the solution. Thank you x infinity.
What is a good way to secure the trailer to prevent someone else from driving off with it when one wants to leave it behind for a while? Thanks.
you can put a good pad lock on front hitch hole, also another trick if you have wagon style rims(slots in them) , run a coated cable through each rim if dual rims, if only one rim run a long chain through each side back& forth use good locks...also but may not be best idea ( remember safety) jack up /block remove tires lol
joe smith .... my neighbor has this item that covers his whole tire (I think it wraps around the entire tire) then when he locks it into his tire... Can find it at the auto store
Good ideas joe and Alvara! In the event someone breaks in simple stand alone alarm systems can be used to alert you. A throwaway phone with a free tracking app can also be permanently wired into your system and placed in a discreet location. That said, the best way to secure your trailer is to park in a very low crimne area like most BLM land. :)
Black Lives Matter land?!
85bigsky I have a device that goes where the ball should go in the inch and it locks in place so that no one can just hook up to it and drive away. I bought it at a UHaul store but I've seen them at Walmart and on amazon
i really like your world/life views and you always make good arguments for your side of things, i originaly wanted to buy a large fifth wheel and truck but the van and or cargo trailer makes a good point.
Thanks for watching james! There are so many options, I try to cover them all.
Awesome perspective! Thank you sir. Subscribed
Just a note if you have a small vehicle don't get anything bigger than 5x8 cargo trailer.
I love a blank canvas!
All I really want in a small cargo trailer conversion is a bed frame bolted to the floor with a decent matress (preferrably a regular mattress and box spring), a desk (also bolted to the floor) and some outlets, along with an AC unit and a window. I mean it would be nice to add a small hand-pump shower and toilet but those would be extras.
Hello Bob thanks for sharing this important info. I think I'm in trouble, I own a used 96 coachmen catalina 33ft and I only use it seasonal at a campground everything works thankfully however I have never taken it out on the road since I don't have a vehicle to tow it. I am looking to sell it and get a rv class c. it is just my daughter 12yrs n I my husband passed away in 2012 accident at work. I do want to stop being a slave and do the rv life but I'm dealing with depression and fears. I want you to know that all the videos I've watched are so inspiring.
I hope your situation improves soon. Best regards.
Yina A. Santos stay positive!
I know dealing with difficult life "stuff" can be a burden sometimes,
but you'll be happier when you take control of your future.
I know because I'm in the same sort of situation.
good luck!
Yina A. Santos the road will do you good ...all the best
Depression can come in a variety of flavors. Sometimes it's a brain chemical problem out of balance and needs treatment that way. Other times, it's situational. In 1994, my divorce from my first husband ended a 9 year relationship. Before we broke up, I felt a lot of depression, but after, it melted down to a minor inconvenience. Dig deep for the courage to ask for help. Sounds like you got a lot of dreams and plans. That's a good sign. Life Coach Barbara Sher helped me get a lot of focus for my own life. She talks a lot about how to get what you REALLY want and how to go about figuring out what that is. Hope this helps.
Done Dennison Thank you very much for your words.
That was my dream. I was thinking of doing this with the much longer cargo trailer. Customizing it is the key until you're happy
Can you show us the supplies you used to convert your trailer
I have a perfectly used one given to me. I will avoid windows...and err on side of large roof vent/escape hatch from a Freightliner. It will give me access to the roof. Will also have a small sailboat wood burner w/ chimney to pop out the side as needed (won't be obvious) . Re-decking my roof w/ 5/8" and .040 single sheet alum from a tractor trailer trailer repair shop. Alum uni-strut will be edge closure and basis for rack system as needed. I have travelled all over US, Canada, and Mexico and LOVE to sleep on the roof. Harden your side walls for security when your not around it. My tongue is also going to be completely removable via Reese style receivers (I am a welder) and can be stowed or taken w/ me in vehicle. Also four internal jacks at corners for stability.
Please add English subtitles for the Deaf and hard of hearing viewers. We thank you. Love your videos! Cheers
Will need to do some work but this is a brilliant idea! Not having to deal with reinstalled systems that can fail is a great idea.
would that be a lightening magnet by chance? I like the idea because it's your build ! Thanks Bob!
Trailer on wheels is the Same as the car safer place to be in lightning storm is a car the hit will fry the computers but not passengers .and there's always a 1 in millions chance something would happen but that's life.this type no different than aluminum RV
Thank you very much Bob. Great information. I didn’t know a travel trail was so affordable. Miami, FL.
Hi Bob! We LOVE this idea. We are at the point of trying to figure out what we want our RV to be. We've been looking at high roof vans, but when I found this video, we may change our mind. I have one question. How do you keep people from just hooking up to it and stealing it when your out and about? I'm sure there's lots of security things you can buy, I wouldn't know where to begin or even which is best. Can you help us out with that question? Thanks so much for posting this awesome video!!!
Put a lock on the hitch of the trailer. I have one on my hitch on my tow vehicle too.