Odd Freaks Yeah but his draw time is kinda off, like when you go on that side mission where you hunt the bison and track down the poachers, he loses his temper and kills one of them, but it took a good second for him to get the shotgun out.
supahhotnoodled apx The shotgun isn’t even at play here. He’s holding a hammer, which is already in his hands. Knowing Charles, he’ll swing it pretty quickly and likely kill Javier before he has time to draw. But yeah, Charles isn’t a great gunslinger.
@@anonymesarschgesicht1715 I also had this dialogue, I think it happens it ou antagonize Javier a lot since right after, Arthur says to Charles he should have left Javier to die in Guarma
You want to know a super secret dialogue? After Lenny dies and after you get back from Guarma, if you go to Valentine and get pissed drunk, Arthur will say "Lenny!..wait...nevermind" then he will take a deep breathe and sigh.
I agree. The way they wrote Javier in 2 was inconsistent, I know they had to 'bridge' the path to 1 but there's a lot of time between rdr2 and rdr1 for him to develop the way he eventually did. The way he is most of the time doesn't add up to the person he turns into by this point. I think for it to maintain continuity Javier should not have chosen a side and kept trying to keep things together but ultimately he gets impaled on the fence, like being caught in the crossfire trying to defuse a situation, I'd say Micah would probably shoot him. The fact that'd happen and Micah would get 'away' with it (as well as shooting Susan) would prove to Javier that the whole thing was doomed for failure and then he'd question everything he believed in and he'd unravel to the point where he gets to in Rdr1.
I think they could have done it more subtle and had him snap at the end. Like he sides with Arthur but is still trying to keep things together like a kid who hates seeing his parents fight and once all the shooting starts he snaps and goes off on his own clearly changed. I'm just saying there is a total 14 year gap between the games if you could just get that point where you see the start of that fall it would be better than making him have already fallen by the end of 2.
Yeah. I didn't notice any sort of struggle within the Gang until Guarma and even then I was still feeling loyal to Dutch, hoping we still might pull it off. Then Javier just started insulting me out of the blue, then I noticed how horrible shit had gotten
I hope he understood that if he kept prodding him Charles would've rocked his shit into another dimension- Javier is deadly, yeah, but Charles would've wolloped him before anybody could move to stop it.
@Jaegar Ultima or probably after killing him. Because he took on the gang. We can't really argue since Micah and Arthur took on a town all by themselves .
@@SCR34M1NGMIDG3T yeah, the gang always gets on his case when hes drunk but the reason hes always drunk is because no one respects him and his contributions to the gang lol
@@mrs_chin Bill Did the most for the camp without destroying shit and actually getting money but Arthur,Dutch Hosea didnt respect him and treated him like a joke
@Preston Hunt dude, look deeper, Charles was extremely calm and quiet, using that deep and low voice he has, yh that might seem friendly, but it was not, Charles was just being respectful as he always is, but that doesnt means he was not standing his ground against Javier... The ppl u shall know not to mess with, are the ones that in any situation/confrontation, where most ppl would loose it, get extremely angry, loud or get scared, these kind of guys would remain quiet and quite relax, that means u should not mess w him, cause that person knows very well what he can do and how little he feels threatened about whatever or whoever is threatening him... Just like in this scene Charles remains extremely calm while Javier tries to act all tough, I like Javier (especially the one of RDR2) but Charles would straight up stump him lol
Well, technically, all of them died when away from the main group. -Lenny died when the bank team was split up from the distraction team. -Hosea was part of the latter team himself, and he was shot after being away from them. -Sean was killed when only four of them decided it’d be a good idea to trust the Grays. -Kieran wandered away and was kidnapped, tortured, and killed
@@justin2308 Hello, fellow Justin. That's wrong. Saying they were away when they were still a part of the gang, the mission, and within a few feet's distance from someone else is disingenuous. The whole of the gang decided to try to play the Grays "like a fiddle", and they were just the ones there. If anything, Bill was at fault, so Sean's death would be because they were together. You don't know Kieran wandered. Don't do my boy Kieran like that. The player wanders. Unity of the Van der Linde gang wasn't strength.
Justin Williams Four of them? Arthur was the one that wasn’t sure, the rest was sure money was gonna be their prize, but nope, all they got was a dead corpse and a detour down to the (Leamonye?) Hideout to stay, they could’ve just basically have another option, like the grays mansion.
Also there comes a point at Beaver Hollow where Javier and Bill start hating you out of nowhere. I hate Beaver Hallow it was the worst camp in the entire game. It was littered with bad energy because of the Murfrees that used it for their murder and torture camp. Also it was the place where the gang starts turning on each other and everyone is depressed. Horseshoe Overlook was by far the best because everyone was in great spirits and there were always parties there. Shady Belle is a strong second
I’d say Horseshoe Overlook has the prettiest camp, but Clemens Point (the one in Lemoyne) is the best. Everyone seems to be in high spirits and have gotten over the Blackwater mess
The Impartial Savage That fishing trip was bitter sweet to me because I saw the brotherhood amongst them, but knowing how badly everything would end just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah beaver hollow is probably where the gang started to fall apart. The gang was desperate to find a safe location, but unfortunately that didn't take long
Javier felt like he owed everything to Dutch. He was young, he'd been betrayed before (heavily implied in ambient dialogue), and he genuinely believed in what Dutch preached. Everyone else was kind of clear-eyed about the whole "helping people and reclaiming the west" stuff, but Javier genuinely believed it. He was a revolutionary, he loved his country, loved his people, loved the gang. He tried to bring concerns to Dutch before (again, in ambient dialogue), and Dutch pulled the same gaslighting and psychological manipulation that he did on everyone else: don't question, if you do you're part of the problem, have faith, be strong, never doubt me. I think Javier took that to heart, and when things started to get bad it became a crutch, a compulsion. And I think the reason he's so broken in RDR1 is because when he realized how Dutch used him, it broke him. He'd betrayed Arthur and John, betrayed everything he felt was right and good, for nothing. It's completely unsurprising to me that Javier fall so far. He lost everything. He was as traumatized as the rest of them, and he doesn't even get the dignity of dying as himself. Te quiero, Javier. Está mi hermano, ahora y siempre.
@@dogestranding5047 Hardly a case of "If that's all it took". He was witness to incredible suffering and violence as a child (he specifically mentions being forced to watch several men, including his uncle, be castrated and fed to pigs as a child). He killed a powerful man at a young age for a woman heavily implied to have betrayed him. He had to abandon his family to ensure their safety, crossing the desert with no supplies, alone. He nearly died in America due to the indifference of the people around him. He was taken in by a psychologically abusive narcissist who manipulated him into never questioning his decisions and to whom he felt indebted to for literally everything he had in America. He watches the people he considers his new family either die violently or flee for their lives one by one, all while having Micah constantly whispering in his ear and Dutch ranting about how everyone's out to get him. Arthur's not only dying but also apparently betraying everything they considered important and meaningful. Arthur and Miss Grimshaw are both murdered by Micah; John, Abigail, Jack and Tilly disappear, leaving him with Micah and Bill (the two most racist and hostile members of the gang and the ones he's had the most overt issues with) and an incredibly unstable Dutch. Dutch then apparently completely snaps, which John even says is the final nail in Javier's coffin. I dunno, man; seems like he's been through some shit and having a mental breakdown is pretty understandable, considering the circumstances.
@@ladyofrillwater idk what ending you got but Micahs bitch ass didn't kill my Arthur. My Arthur beat the brakes off Micah and sent him running while he died watching the sunset. If it weren't for Dutch, Arthur would've grabbed the gun and shot Micah dead despite Micah saying "you'll never reach that gun" and Arthur does just that only for Dutch to stand on it. Your Arthur probably was a fuckwit and got shot in the head by Micah because you made Micah decisions and your honor was Micah honor.
@@MrBlack252 Actually no, I just worded it poorly. I think they died as a RESULT of Micah's actions. My bad. My Arthur was actually very high honor and I agree; low honor Arthur is indeed a fuckwit.
I never picked up on this dialogue and i never played RDR1 so seeing this vid really shocked me as Javier seemed like a real bro until he betrayed Arthur and joined dutch
Bro you need to get your life together . You should really get red dead 1 with the undead nightmare bundle . This is a really a game each person should play at least once in their life
He only stayed with dutch because dutch saved him when Javier came to the united states and out of loyalty he made a choice to stay with him because without dutch javier couldve died by himself
Considering the political state Mexico was in while Javier lived there he never developed a better nose for when revolutionaries are going bad? You really do have to pity him in a way.
John was right about Javier. All passion but no love. So wound up in Dutch's words that he can't even see the gang falling apart around him. Think's the whole damn world is like one of his corridas, where the hero must die for a noble but lost cause, and that to do anything less is to be a coward. Can't see how selfish that thinking is for people with families to take care of, for people who aren't actually looking to die but for a better life. I spared his life in Mexico, but not out of respect. More like out of pity and disgust.
One of the best hints for that was that when they were aiming guns at each other, Javier can be seen pointing his up instead of at Arthur and John. That was apperently a detail his voice actor demanded to be added to the game
Javier (5'7, 150 lbs.) "Oh you wanna die?" Charles (5'11, 220 lbs., absolute unit) *Has two fists, two boots, a hard damn forehead, a massive hammer, a combat knife, a tomahawk, and a shotgun*
In chapter three there‘s a dialogue where Javier punches Micah. Feels like the old Javier we liked was somehow injured or something in guarma, feels like something happened there that changed him..
@Space Roamer and Dutch and Dutch was genuinely more charismatic so maybe that's what made feel more loyal even though he came after earning that the pinkertins which means he doesn't understand the context
•T0mb0hn3n _sA1At_ no, he hated bill and Micah just as much as anyone else. They were extremely racist and definitely didn’t like Javier. Javier just grew up in a horrible place and he only had Dutch to believe in, and it doesn’t help that Dutch was manipulative and brainwashed him to the max.
"Escuella was always a torn man, a cynic who desperately wanted to be a romantic. Javier would die fightin' for what he believed in. He had a lot of passion but no love. Although he admired Dutch, of course, but then we all did. When Dutch started fallin' apart, it hit Javier harder than any of us. He went crazy. It was like the one thing he'd ever believed in turned out to be a fraud."- John Marston, RDR.
And that's what makes him the most dangerous. He had strength in areas most of the other members of the gang didn't. Physically, dude was tall and beefy and probably capable of beating the living piss out of anyone he wants to, but he didn't. He's extremely skilled with a variety of weaponry, yet only killed when he absolutely had to. Even on most missions that involved violence/robberies, he would almost always opt to incapacitate and avoid taking innocent lives solely for the purpose of liability and really only killed people who would've otherwise killed him or a fellow gang member and there was no other option. He was a very hard man to provoke, which decreases his chances of overreacting or reacting on emotion and doing something stupid because he was too intelligent to fall victim to that. The only time you really see him lose his cool was from those bison hunters that were being paid to wipe out the bison herds in the heartlands in order to blame the Native American communities and cause turmoil.
@Wiegraf No ur wrong, it's usually the calm, gentle people with kind hearts that are more scary and dangerous. They have a cool controllable temper so you have to push them so insanely far to the point where they lose it which makes them very scary. and Charles is one of those people
I want a Javier DLC about his return to Mexico Edit: actually I'd like this more: DLC about Javier in Mexico before he joined the gang Edit 2: damn bruh looks like we aren't getting any story dlc ever lol
I like how Javier is a compete parallel to John in terms of character development in the beginning John was a antagonistic and wild vagabond who was said to care more about himself than anyone else but at the end he learned to put his family first and not care so much about himself meanwhile Javier started off in the beginning being a pretty honorable member of the gang always looking to help out, a good friend with everyone and kept in high spirits but at the end he became sour and angry and all he cared about was himself and the word of dutch and by the first game he's a complete asshole who does anything he can to get out of a bad situation and he throws fits when he doesn't get his way like when John hog ties him he tries to plea with John to let him go and when he doesn't he starts saying nasty things about his family And more on the subject it's mentioned that Javier was something of a revolutionary before he joined the gang implying that he cared about other people and genuinely hated corruption but in rdr1 he ends up siding with the corrupt Mexican army just to save his own ass another example of how he himself fell to greed and corruption
I understand why Javier acted the way that he did, every moment in Beavers Hollow you can feel the dread and the sense that everything is going to come crashing down, Lenny, Kieran, Hosea, were all dead and now Micah brings his friends along. You can tell that everything was unraveling and so did Javier
saddest part is that charles sees Javier’s downfall as well. if you walk in front on him after that last dialogue then he’ll say “he’s changed” and Arthur responds “should’ve left him to die on Guarma, little shit”
I mean, he is a gentle and forgiving character with low temper. Imagine if he has a temper of Micah. The moment Javier said "Oh,you wanna die?" Is the same moment that Charles break his skulls using the hammer...
@@bmambajr99 I mean, they're disrespectful of his cultural native and the Bison is a respective animal to them like Indian. So, killing Bison for them is like burning a bible or breaking cross. I too would mad af.
@@justanordinaryguy._.7399 He wouldn’t of had a problem with them killing them and them using the bison. He was pissed because they were killing them just for the fun of it
It's sad considering that in most ways, Javier stayed loyal to Dutch due to Dutch and his gang being really the only ones who showed compassion to Javier. Think about it, Javier made a bad name for himself in Mexico, and he had to leave because of it, and I'm sure he gained a bad reputation there not because of greed or pride, but I'd like to bet it was out of Mexico, the land where he was born not being there for him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Javier had left Mexico when it was, well... when it was bad there. Probably as bad as it was as we saw in the first Redemption game. So in short, Javier felt betrayed by his own country, left to go find meaning, and the only person that decided to show him that he could be something more than a bandito, was Dutch. And due to Dutch's compassion in Javier's time of vulnerability, is why he stayed loyal to Dutch till the very end of the gang. That's why I believe the road in which we see Javier in 1899 and in 1911 is just sad... sad in ways of just love towards the one who decided to give a shit about him, much how a dog stays loyal to an abusive owner.
YoursTruly 2729 Then again Dutch is revealed to be quite a radical manipulator so now I see him as kind of a cult leader bringing in vulnerable and desperate people and training and brainwashing them to suit his ideals.
He wasn't "gone", he didn't "go bad/crazy", he was terrified, he was scared, he haven't yet recovered from yet ANOTHER trauma in his life of being tortured for days back on Guarma. He can't even turn to his music anymore, he can't even sleep like have you ever saw him sleep in chapter6? rarely, and there's a bottles of alcohol laying around his bed. He just turns to drinking, he doesn't play his music anymore. He trust Arthur and John so much that it broke him to know that those two "betrayed" him, that they are destroying the only home he'd ever have. He have nowhere to go, no way out, no back-up plan, can't escape, can't do anything. He was a friendly and calm person, now he's just a panicking mess. it's so fucked up.
Maybe all of this prob sure looks too heavy for Javier too...think of it, they used to have shit problem many many times and they can overcome with family hood...then they all give up, gang's broke up and Javier the only left that have enthusiasm...I respect him
@@JoeMartinez18 "Escuella was always a torn man, a cynic who desperately wanted to be a romantic. Javier would die fightin' for what he believed in. He had a lot of passion, but no love."-John Marston.
Javier was going through Denial. I think shortly after Arthur's passing he left Dutch, when he was forced to put his gun on John and Arthur he took the longest to do it, like he was waking up. Right towards the end Javier was starting to see but it was too late.
No dutch left bill and Javier when he walked away from arthur dutch exiled himself. So Javier had to deal with realizing he'd been used and had betrayed his true friends and then dutch abandoned them all
When you think about it, when Arthur and John stood unshaken against micah, dutch n bill n javier, Hosea,Lenny,Kieran, all the ladies, jack, uncle, and basically everyone would be on Arthurs side.
It’s so cool watching what people will do when things start going bad. Arthur, John, and Charles start to question Dutch, while Javier, Bill, and Micah Get fanatically more loyal to Dutch.
Javier was just trying his best to keep the gang together. I believe the gang means a lot to him since he has been with them for a long time, and they all treated each other like family. And what it seems that Javier thinks that it's Arthur's side which was causing the gang to fall apart
Is like John said: "When Dutch started fallin' apart, it hit Javier harder than any of us. He went crazy. It was like the only one thing he'd ever believed in turned out to be a fraud." And that's exactly what happened: Javier felt he owed everything to Dutch and thought that the world was like one of his Mexican folk tales, where the noble hero has to die valiantly for a lost, yet noble cause and would be shameful if the opposite happened. He genuinely admired Dutch, even moreso than the other gang members, looking up to him as a fellow revolutionary.
He still never pointed his gun at Arthur and John when the gang split in 2 at the stand off before the pinkertons turned up. He was late in hearing Arthur expose micahs betrayal unfortunately...
What I love is that Javier might be siding with Dutch, but during the standoff between Arthur and John vs the rest of the gang, Javier doesn't point his gun at the two, but instead aims it at the sky.
He just wanted the gang to stay together. In other dialogue Javier says that Dutch took him in at a young age, not unlike John and Arthur. I guess he considered Dutch like a father, so just wanted his family to be happy, and decided the best way to do that was to follow Dutch to the end
WeGoBoom He wasn't so young as Arthur and John tough, Arthur and John where 12 when they where found by Dutch and Hosea. Javier was between 20 and 21, since Arthur says that Javier is with the gang for 5 years, while he has 26 years during RDR 2.
@@SSC0002 What the hell are you on about, Dutch picked up Arthur in 1878, Javier was found by Dutch in 1895 and Arthur is quite a few years older than Javier, you clearly know nothing about this series.
1:36 Seriously Javier had the balls to confront Charles like that. It is said that Charles is the best melee fighter in the gang, so he'd probably pummel Javier into next week
its sad when you think about before the bar fight mission javier and charles were having a fun time there, they saved sean together, and then you watch this thing
Guerilla Gaming. Money matters too. You can make more money but your life is the only one you have though. But you need money to sustain and improve that life.
Charles is the best character in that game. He’s always been loyal when it mattered and he doesn’t let himself get pushed around. I just wish he was around when Arthur died.
Javier owed alot to Dutch... But even further... I don't think Dutch did anything to harm him or the gang in Javier's eyes... Its not his fault someone snitched, or a boat crashed, or anything like that... Why shouldn't he still be loyal?
Sankofa NYC Yep, Javier didn't even know that it was Micah who betrayed the gang in the end, since when Arthur told everyone he was out scouting the Pinkertons. That's what shows how confuse it was to him when he Saw Arthur pointing a gun at Dutch.
I love Javier I really do. It’s so sad how everyone treats him. He was poisoned by Micah like Dutch. Possibly the most loyal man there and I include Arthur
No... It's because Javier had a horrible past... His family murdered, falling in love with a woman and then killing a powerfull man forcing him to leave his homeland and by the verge of death until Dutch. Dutch treated him like a human being... And Javier owed him and truly believed in Dutch's words. Here you see him frustrated that his new family is falling apart...
I don't think Micah was the one filling Javier's head with anything. Micah was a racist scumbag. Now, Dutch on the other hand, was able to influence Javier to stay loyal to him.
I like how Javier somehow thinks he can judge Arthur for not being loyal enough at Horseshoe. Like Arthur is as close to a son to Dutch and Hosea as you can get.
@Shadowlit001 I think him and arthur are the strongest, but my money is on pre TB arthur, he beat up a bigger man than charles who was mopping the floor with javier
@WinterFell _ John is the best H2H fighter in RDR, Charles wouldn't stand a chance. The only thing he has over John is size. Charles would put up a decent fight but John would crush him.
Hamza Khaliq Don't know, for me Arthur was far stronger than John in Hand to hand combat. John was never a real fighter if you go look on rdr and even rdr 2. He was a Gunslinger and sharpshooter, but not a fighter. He could beat Javier o i think, even Bill, but not Charles or Arthur who where clearly fighters, and also both where strong as bulls.
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Charles is a true man of honor
Moritz Tabor Ya and he buried Arthur
Rdr2 is the best game🎮🎮🎮🎮
He was not like the other cowboys who just wanted to kill and take money
@@johncarter6620 That was real respectful of Him I used to greet him all the time.
That he is and the most loyal friend
“Oh, you wanna die?”
Charles is literally holding a hammer and has a tomahawk at his side..
Charles can use a bow and arrow on horseback while riding or fling a knife with lethal force as if it was a poker card. I wouldn't mess with him.
But admit it, that delivery was pretty funny.
Johnny GoodMeme And hes deadly with a double barre sawed off
Odd Freaks Yeah but his draw time is kinda off, like when you go on that side mission where you hunt the bison and track down the poachers, he loses his temper and kills one of them, but it took a good second for him to get the shotgun out.
supahhotnoodled apx
The shotgun isn’t even at play here. He’s holding a hammer, which is already in his hands. Knowing Charles, he’ll swing it pretty quickly and likely kill Javier before he has time to draw. But yeah, Charles isn’t a great gunslinger.
When Charles said "Are there sides now?" it made me so sad...
he was always the neutral, kind spirit and voice of reason, just like Hosea
Im my playthrough he didnt say that, but to Arthur that Javier has changed
@@anonymesarschgesicht1715 I also had this dialogue, I think it happens it ou antagonize Javier a lot since right after, Arthur says to Charles he should have left Javier to die in Guarma
Quit being a pussy
And a sawed off
You want to know a super secret dialogue? After Lenny dies and after you get back from Guarma, if you go to Valentine and get pissed drunk, Arthur will say "Lenny!..wait...nevermind" then he will take a deep breathe and sigh.
Lenny's death was the hardest besides arthur
The Impartial Savage you’re kidding
@@uhcowlick nope it happened to me and I got drunk by accident drinking too much moonshine for health and he said it randomly I was like wow
You can do that anytime you get drunk, I’m on my second play through and every time I get drunk he will say Lenny
@@kingqunt8567 yeah but it's only after Lenny dies that he says the rest.
The actor that plays Javier said he feels Javier wouldn't have acted this way if red dead 2 came out first he thinks he would join Arthur's side
Brian Koskinen LOL things have to be consistent
I agree. The way they wrote Javier in 2 was inconsistent, I know they had to 'bridge' the path to 1 but there's a lot of time between rdr2 and rdr1 for him to develop the way he eventually did.
The way he is most of the time doesn't add up to the person he turns into by this point. I think for it to maintain continuity Javier should not have chosen a side and kept trying to keep things together but ultimately he gets impaled on the fence, like being caught in the crossfire trying to defuse a situation, I'd say Micah would probably shoot him. The fact that'd happen and Micah would get 'away' with it (as well as shooting Susan) would prove to Javier that the whole thing was doomed for failure and then he'd question everything he believed in and he'd unravel to the point where he gets to in Rdr1.
Explains why he’s so likable in the beginning chapters
I think they could have done it more subtle and had him snap at the end. Like he sides with Arthur but is still trying to keep things together like a kid who hates seeing his parents fight and once all the shooting starts he snaps and goes off on his own clearly changed. I'm just saying there is a total 14 year gap between the games if you could just get that point where you see the start of that fall it would be better than making him have already fallen by the end of 2.
Yeah. I didn't notice any sort of struggle within the Gang until Guarma and even then I was still feeling loyal to Dutch, hoping we still might pull it off. Then Javier just started insulting me out of the blue, then I noticed how horrible shit had gotten
Arthur: *Throws every possible insult at fellow camp member**
Arthur: A L L R I G H T D E N I L L C A T C H Y A L A T E R D E N
STUNTS 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’ll LeAvE YoU tOo It
okay i’lel catch you later thenn
aNYwaY i Won'T dIsTUrB YOu
I suppose I should be getting on.
Javier was smart to walk away from Charles. I could almost sense a right hook coming in the next few seconds.
I hope he understood that if he kept prodding him Charles would've rocked his shit into another dimension- Javier is deadly, yeah, but Charles would've wolloped him before anybody could move to stop it.
Yeah the tone of voice. You can actually hear violence in a guys voice. The actor nailed it.
@Jaegar Ultima true, no matter how much we hate Micah we all can agree that he was the best gunman in the gang after Arthur.
@Jaegar Ultima John was better than him only in rdr.
@Jaegar Ultima or probably after killing him. Because he took on the gang. We can't really argue since Micah and Arthur took on a town all by themselves .
Bill was an idiot, but Javier was naïve. Javier is probably just as tragic a character as Dutch.
Bill really isn't that big of a idiot though.
@@SCR34M1NGMIDG3T yeah, the gang always gets on his case when hes drunk but the reason hes always drunk is because no one respects him and his contributions to the gang lol
@@mrs_chin The only bank job that didn't go wrong
@@mrs_chin Bill Did the most for the camp without destroying shit and actually getting money but Arthur,Dutch Hosea didnt respect him and treated him like a joke
Yeah, the real tragic character is Bill. Dutch is way overrated.
Not gonna lie Javier has one of the best voice acting
D1A6 B4N9 yeah nah
Everybody did a mind-blowing job almost all characters felt real
Weird they changed the actor between games, got everyone else back
Tyler Evan abigail and uncle also had new voice actors
Nah
Can we talk about how Charles, one of the kindest and gentlest characters in the game, was incredibly terrifying when Javier threatened him?
Beware the nice ones indeed. Charles is a kind and honorable man, but also someone you shouldn't mess with.
Charles was planning a kill shot the moment he stood up from the wheel, for the moment Javier made a move
"You're making a dumb choice man"
"I made no choices"
@Preston Hunt dude, look deeper, Charles was extremely calm and quiet, using that deep and low voice he has, yh that might seem friendly, but it was not, Charles was just being respectful as he always is, but that doesnt means he was not standing his ground against Javier... The ppl u shall know not to mess with, are the ones that in any situation/confrontation, where most ppl would loose it, get extremely angry, loud or get scared, these kind of guys would remain quiet and quite relax, that means u should not mess w him, cause that person knows very well what he can do and how little he feels threatened about whatever or whoever is threatening him... Just like in this scene Charles remains extremely calm while Javier tries to act all tough, I like Javier (especially the one of RDR2) but Charles would straight up stump him lol
Charles? Scared? what are you on? If fear was a person Charles would kill it. I know I am over exaggerating but come on guys.
"I made no choice"
"are there sides now?"
Charles, all humble and wise... didn't even flinch at Javier spitting near his feet
Javier is my favorite character, but I was hoping Charles would beat his ass for that
@@loganburnette5485 the camp couldn’t take a Charles beating the shit out of Javier. That probably would’ve caused a huge fight in the camp.
"It's by staying together... that we live." Hosea, Lenny, Sean, and Kieran would all like a word with you.
Well, technically, all of them died when away from the main group.
-Lenny died when the bank team was split up from the distraction team.
-Hosea was part of the latter team himself, and he was shot after being away from them.
-Sean was killed when only four of them decided it’d be a good idea to trust the Grays.
-Kieran wandered away and was kidnapped, tortured, and killed
@@justin2308 Hello, fellow Justin.
That's wrong. Saying they were away when they were still a part of the gang, the mission, and within a few feet's distance from someone else is disingenuous. The whole of the gang decided to try to play the Grays "like a fiddle", and they were just the ones there. If anything, Bill was at fault, so Sean's death would be because they were together. You don't know Kieran wandered. Don't do my boy Kieran like that. The player wanders. Unity of the Van der Linde gang wasn't strength.
Justin Fung That’s...not what I meant at ALL when I said that.
@@justin2308 Sorry, what'd you mean then?
Justin Williams Four of them?
Arthur was the one that wasn’t sure, the rest was sure money was gonna be their prize, but nope, all they got was a dead corpse and a detour down to the (Leamonye?) Hideout to stay, they could’ve just basically have another option, like the grays mansion.
Unlike Bill and Micha, Javier was truely loyal to Dutch out of heart
not micah
hesam yousefzadeh that’s what he said
@@gettheleadoutaerosmith He said "unlike" meaning that he's saying Micha wasn't loyal... not hard to understand.
Bill was always loyal
Bill was truly loyal too, he was just dumb as rocks
Javier: Too Loyal
Bill: Wants attention
Micah: Wants to be the leader
Dutch: *M O N E H*
Arthur: M U N E H
Dutch: Goddamn P L A N
Hosea: Fishing
Dutch: PLANS
Arthur: CaTcHiNg PeOpLe LaTeR tHeN...
@@thesiselchannel lol
Nigel: GAVIN!
No, Dutch: T A H I T I
Also there comes a point at Beaver Hollow where Javier and Bill start hating you out of nowhere. I hate Beaver Hallow it was the worst camp in the entire game. It was littered with bad energy because of the Murfrees that used it for their murder and torture camp. Also it was the place where the gang starts turning on each other and everyone is depressed. Horseshoe Overlook was by far the best because everyone was in great spirits and there were always parties there. Shady Belle is a strong second
I’d say Horseshoe Overlook has the prettiest camp, but Clemens Point (the one in Lemoyne) is the best. Everyone seems to be in high spirits and have gotten over the Blackwater mess
@@ek7404 yeah I forgot about that one. Clemens Point was great. The fishing trip you have with Dutch and Hosea put a smile on my face.
The Impartial Savage
That fishing trip was bitter sweet to me because I saw the brotherhood amongst them, but knowing how badly everything would end just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah but idk about shady belle. That’s where Kieran dies.
Yeah beaver hollow is probably where the gang started to fall apart. The gang was desperate to find a safe location, but unfortunately that didn't take long
Hot damn they fixed Javier's character a lot in this game. Antagonistic in the end but still a respectable man and a bro for most of the story.
Ehm... he was that in the first game too. He tried to flee and only shot you, when you followed him.
@@balabanasireti haha yeah didnt he told john to go back hone to his farm or somthin
Besides, Javier wasn't even a bad guy at the end of the day, just a torn man and a cynic who wanted to be a romantic.
@Olli Koskiniemi that's because John tied him up and was about to turn him in. Anyone would be cursing in that situation
@@serbonkers4130 he said he hoped him and his whole family would rot in hell.
Javier felt like he owed everything to Dutch. He was young, he'd been betrayed before (heavily implied in ambient dialogue), and he genuinely believed in what Dutch preached. Everyone else was kind of clear-eyed about the whole "helping people and reclaiming the west" stuff, but Javier genuinely believed it. He was a revolutionary, he loved his country, loved his people, loved the gang. He tried to bring concerns to Dutch before (again, in ambient dialogue), and Dutch pulled the same gaslighting and psychological manipulation that he did on everyone else: don't question, if you do you're part of the problem, have faith, be strong, never doubt me.
I think Javier took that to heart, and when things started to get bad it became a crutch, a compulsion. And I think the reason he's so broken in RDR1 is because when he realized how Dutch used him, it broke him. He'd betrayed Arthur and John, betrayed everything he felt was right and good, for nothing.
It's completely unsurprising to me that Javier fall so far. He lost everything. He was as traumatized as the rest of them, and he doesn't even get the dignity of dying as himself.
Te quiero, Javier. Está mi hermano, ahora y siempre.
La Brujita If that's all it took to break him, then he didn't have much resolve anyways. He's a cool character, sure. But not in RDR1.
@@dogestranding5047 Hardly a case of "If that's all it took".
He was witness to incredible suffering and violence as a child (he specifically mentions being forced to watch several men, including his uncle, be castrated and fed to pigs as a child).
He killed a powerful man at a young age for a woman heavily implied to have betrayed him.
He had to abandon his family to ensure their safety, crossing the desert with no supplies, alone.
He nearly died in America due to the indifference of the people around him.
He was taken in by a psychologically abusive narcissist who manipulated him into never questioning his decisions and to whom he felt indebted to for literally everything he had in America.
He watches the people he considers his new family either die violently or flee for their lives one by one, all while having Micah constantly whispering in his ear and Dutch ranting about how everyone's out to get him.
Arthur's not only dying but also apparently betraying everything they considered important and meaningful.
Arthur and Miss Grimshaw are both murdered by Micah; John, Abigail, Jack and Tilly disappear, leaving him with Micah and Bill (the two most racist and hostile members of the gang and the ones he's had the most overt issues with) and an incredibly unstable Dutch.
Dutch then apparently completely snaps, which John even says is the final nail in Javier's coffin.
I dunno, man; seems like he's been through some shit and having a mental breakdown is pretty understandable, considering the circumstances.
He doesn't die at all actually. The last ones left alive after Johns death was Charles, Sadie, Tilly, Mary Beth, and Javier.
@@ladyofrillwater idk what ending you got but Micahs bitch ass didn't kill my Arthur. My Arthur beat the brakes off Micah and sent him running while he died watching the sunset. If it weren't for Dutch, Arthur would've grabbed the gun and shot Micah dead despite Micah saying "you'll never reach that gun" and Arthur does just that only for Dutch to stand on it. Your Arthur probably was a fuckwit and got shot in the head by Micah because you made Micah decisions and your honor was Micah honor.
@@MrBlack252 Actually no, I just worded it poorly. I think they died as a RESULT of Micah's actions. My bad. My Arthur was actually very high honor and I agree; low honor Arthur is indeed a fuckwit.
I never picked up on this dialogue and i never played RDR1 so seeing this vid really shocked me as Javier seemed like a real bro until he betrayed Arthur and joined dutch
well in Javier mind Dutch didnt betray Arthur, Arthur betrayed them all
You kinda see he is frustrated that the gang is falling apart, yet not seeing that dutch is in the wrong
Bro you need to get your life together . You should really get red dead 1 with the undead nightmare bundle . This is a really a game each person should play at least once in their life
Jack Curtis if you played rdr1 Javier was a major ass when rdr2 came out I was surprised at how nice Javier was towards the beginning
He only stayed with dutch because dutch saved him when Javier came to the united states and out of loyalty he made a choice to stay with him because without dutch javier couldve died by himself
javier: *disrespects entire gang several times*
Arthur: anyways, I’ll catch you later
Considering the political state Mexico was in while Javier lived there he never developed a better nose for when revolutionaries are going bad? You really do have to pity him in a way.
John was right about Javier. All passion but no love. So wound up in Dutch's words that he can't even see the gang falling apart around him. Think's the whole damn world is like one of his corridas, where the hero must die for a noble but lost cause, and that to do anything less is to be a coward. Can't see how selfish that thinking is for people with families to take care of, for people who aren't actually looking to die but for a better life.
I spared his life in Mexico, but not out of respect. More like out of pity and disgust.
@@garcalej man that was on point
Ye, you should feel pity for that line of code.
@@garcalej You didn't spare him, he gets hanged if you hand him over instead of killing him
@@Joe-so6ob That so? Where'd you hear that?
*Uncle:* "Hell of a time Arthur 😃"
*Javier:* GoD dAmN ThE lOt a YoU!!!
*Uncle:* 😥
The L U M B A G O damned him first.
out of all the comments this one made me laugh the hardest LMAO
Sad thing is Javier would have sided with Arthur in the end but he wasn’t there to see the whole argument
nah he wouldn’t of
@@destano2951 Probably would
@@wasiur531 He was way to loyal to Dutch,if anything he’s going to be on Dutch’s side despite whoever is on his side
One of the best hints for that was that when they were aiming guns at each other, Javier can be seen pointing his up instead of at Arthur and John. That was apperently a detail his voice actor demanded to be added to the game
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 doesn't matter anyway he turned into a snake in rdr1 so I believe he sided with dutch in the end
1:54 The iconic Javier spit.
I can’t help but to imagine Charles swinging that hammer at him and bashing his brains in right after he does that.
He spits like he dress, all fem
@@destormmystery6490 i understood that reference
John spits on Javier after he kills him in the first game.
Javier (5'7, 150 lbs.) "Oh you wanna die?"
Charles (5'11, 220 lbs., absolute unit) *Has two fists, two boots, a hard damn forehead, a massive hammer, a combat knife, a tomahawk, and a shotgun*
Mitchell Hart oh my bad I read that weong
Javier would have gotten murdered.
To be realistic height doesn’t mean nothing.
Papi Champú Absolutely false, gives incredible advantage because of reach, distance, and intimidation factor.
Alexander Lazowski it’s all about strategy. Take Arthur for example beating Tommy & Tommy was twice as big as Arthur 🤦🏽♂️
In chapter three there‘s a dialogue where Javier punches Micah. Feels like the old Javier we liked was somehow injured or something in guarma, feels like something happened there that changed him..
Leg Got Shot And Tortured By Fussar
I think that maybe after going through that trauma and being saved by Dutch for about a second time it made his mind completely up
Ben Dover you‘re right, kinda sad because I liked him
@Space Roamer and Dutch and Dutch was genuinely more charismatic so maybe that's what made feel more loyal even though he came after earning that the pinkertins which means he doesn't understand the context
•T0mb0hn3n _sA1At_ no, he hated bill and Micah just as much as anyone else. They were extremely racist and definitely didn’t like Javier. Javier just grew up in a horrible place and he only had Dutch to believe in, and it doesn’t help that Dutch was manipulative and brainwashed him to the max.
Poor Javier, if only you could see dutch for what he truly was
"Escuella was always a torn man, a cynic who desperately wanted to be a romantic. Javier would die fightin' for what he believed in. He had a lot of passion but no love. Although he admired Dutch, of course, but then we all did. When Dutch started fallin' apart, it hit Javier harder than any of us. He went crazy. It was like the one thing he'd ever believed in turned out to be a fraud."- John Marston, RDR.
@@jorgebersabe293 Heart breaking.
Charles is probably the calmest person in the game
And that's what makes him the most dangerous. He had strength in areas most of the other members of the gang didn't. Physically, dude was tall and beefy and probably capable of beating the living piss out of anyone he wants to, but he didn't. He's extremely skilled with a variety of weaponry, yet only killed when he absolutely had to. Even on most missions that involved violence/robberies, he would almost always opt to incapacitate and avoid taking innocent lives solely for the purpose of liability and really only killed people who would've otherwise killed him or a fellow gang member and there was no other option. He was a very hard man to provoke, which decreases his chances of overreacting or reacting on emotion and doing something stupid because he was too intelligent to fall victim to that. The only time you really see him lose his cool was from those bison hunters that were being paid to wipe out the bison herds in the heartlands in order to blame the Native American communities and cause turmoil.
i know of two poachers who would strongly disagree
@Wiegraf No ur wrong, it's usually the calm, gentle people with kind hearts that are more scary and dangerous. They have a cool controllable temper so you have to push them so insanely far to the point where they lose it which makes them very scary. and Charles is one of those people
The poachers say otherwise. And he had a right to be mad.
Sucks that it turned out that way for him. I loved doing the optional fishing mission with Javier, he and Arthur got along well...
Javier could of been a good guy if he opened his eyes
could’ve*
I want a Javier DLC about his return to Mexico
Edit: actually I'd like this more: DLC about Javier in Mexico before he joined the gang
Edit 2: damn bruh looks like we aren't getting any story dlc ever lol
Okay that would be dope to have and a dlc on how Bill Williamson started his gang
@@fatassdogs8617 or dlc whit williamsin in the american civil war
Javier Escuella he wasn’t in the civil war he was fighting the war against the Indians
I'd prefer a Charles Smith DLC
I have never considered that as a potential DLC but that would be really cool.
I like javier but Charles isn't the guy too talking shit too. He was about too get lit up 😂
That too
Wrong “too”s
???
I like how Javier is a compete parallel to John in terms of character development in the beginning John was a antagonistic and wild vagabond who was said to care more about himself than anyone else but at the end he learned to put his family first and not care so much about himself meanwhile Javier started off in the beginning being a pretty honorable member of the gang always looking to help out, a good friend with everyone and kept in high spirits but at the end he became sour and angry and all he cared about was himself and the word of dutch and by the first game he's a complete asshole who does anything he can to get out of a bad situation and he throws fits when he doesn't get his way like when John hog ties him he tries to plea with John to let him go and when he doesn't he starts saying nasty things about his family
And more on the subject it's mentioned that Javier was something of a revolutionary before he joined the gang implying that he cared about other people and genuinely hated corruption but in rdr1 he ends up siding with the corrupt Mexican army just to save his own ass another example of how he himself fell to greed and corruption
Really hope we get a DLC based on Javier's return to Mexico. What an amazing character! A far cry from his depiction in RDR.
Me too.
dundschannel I think a dlc where Arthur lived would be cool but that would probably be a lot of work
That would be cool. There should also be scenes when Javier realize he picked the wrong side. And then he gets his redemption.
@@leev9406 Agree with him realizing he picked the wrong side but he seemed too far gone in Red Dead 1.
I prefer him in RDR1
Javier: antagonizes OrtHur
OrtHur: antagonizes back
Javier: *surprised Pikachus face*
Damn Javier had a lot of nerve confronting Charles like that, he would’ve got beaten like a drum if he went any further.
"It's by staying together... that we live"
Tell that to Hosea, Lenny, Mac, Davey and Sean.
And Jenny too, who was his friend.
"You're as dumb as bill is"
He knew, trust me, he knew
I understand why Javier acted the way that he did, every moment in Beavers Hollow you can feel the dread and the sense that everything is going to come crashing down, Lenny, Kieran, Hosea, were all dead and now Micah brings his friends along. You can tell that everything was unraveling and so did Javier
“You’re making a dumb choice man.”
Javier has no grounds, or rights to pass judgement on other people’s decisions here.
saddest part is that charles sees Javier’s downfall as well. if you walk in front on him after that last dialogue then he’ll say “he’s changed” and Arthur responds “should’ve left him to die on Guarma, little shit”
“If money was the issue, I’d be heading down the lipany and collecting all the gold bars.” -Arthur Morgan
I was so pissed off and heartbroken throughout the whole of chapter 6, my heart was pounding towards the end.
The moment Charles talks with Javier and Arthur,Damn! He is so calm and wise man!
Love how even for a moment, from the back your Arthur had a striking resemblance to Josea.
Charles is the best! :)
YES
He’s ok of a character not the best imo
@@Jonin_Kazumi its called an opinion dude
When he got shoot at the final mission i paused the game because i thougth he is dead...
I’m surprised Charles didn’t beat Javier with the hammer
Well he’s big as a native named Connor Kenway he would rek Javiers shit!
I mean, he is a gentle and forgiving character with low temper. Imagine if he has a temper of Micah. The moment Javier said "Oh,you wanna die?" Is the same moment that Charles break his skulls using the hammer...
@@justanordinaryguy._.7399 Yeah, he has a low temper. The only time where he lost it was the bison mission
@@bmambajr99 I mean, they're disrespectful of his cultural native and the Bison is a respective animal to them like Indian. So, killing Bison for them is like burning a bible or breaking cross.
I too would mad af.
@@justanordinaryguy._.7399 He wouldn’t of had a problem with them killing them and them using the bison. He was pissed because they were killing them just for the fun of it
It honestly surprised me to see Javier choose dutchs side. Thought exactly what Arthur thought. "Thought you were smarter, Your as dumb as bill is"
Then you failed to see how blindly loyal Javier and Bill were to Dutch
Javier was awesome chapter 1-4 he was such a cool guy, but Dutch and micah changed him badly
It's sad considering that in most ways, Javier stayed loyal to Dutch due to Dutch and his gang being really the only ones who showed compassion to Javier. Think about it, Javier made a bad name for himself in Mexico, and he had to leave because of it, and I'm sure he gained a bad reputation there not because of greed or pride, but I'd like to bet it was out of Mexico, the land where he was born not being there for him.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Javier had left Mexico when it was, well... when it was bad there. Probably as bad as it was as we saw in the first Redemption game. So in short, Javier felt betrayed by his own country, left to go find meaning, and the only person that decided to show him that he could be something more than a bandito, was Dutch. And due to Dutch's compassion in Javier's time of vulnerability, is why he stayed loyal to Dutch till the very end of the gang.
That's why I believe the road in which we see Javier in 1899 and in 1911 is just sad... sad in ways of just love towards the one who decided to give a shit about him, much how a dog stays loyal to an abusive owner.
*Javier left Mexico because he killed a man over a woman, even tells John why he left*
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Thanks for the conformant
@@YoursTruIy_ Your welcome
I'll subscribe to your channel.
YoursTruly 2729 Then again Dutch is revealed to be quite a radical manipulator so now I see him as kind of a cult leader bringing in vulnerable and desperate people and training and brainwashing them to suit his ideals.
Who would win in a fist fight,
Like: Charles
Comment: Javier
Stop begging for likes
No problem Astora
He wasn't "gone", he didn't "go bad/crazy", he was terrified, he was scared, he haven't yet recovered from yet ANOTHER trauma in his life of being tortured for days back on Guarma. He can't even turn to his music anymore, he can't even sleep like have you ever saw him sleep in chapter6? rarely, and there's a bottles of alcohol laying around his bed. He just turns to drinking, he doesn't play his music anymore. He trust Arthur and John so much that it broke him to know that those two "betrayed" him, that they are destroying the only home he'd ever have. He have nowhere to go, no way out, no back-up plan, can't escape, can't do anything. He was a friendly and calm person, now he's just a panicking mess. it's so fucked up.
Maybe all of this prob sure looks too heavy for Javier too...think of it, they used to have shit problem many many times and they can overcome with family hood...then they all give up, gang's broke up and Javier the only left that have enthusiasm...I respect him
I think he is getting more and more frustrated,yet keeping an idealistic vision of the gang
I had an aneurysm trying to read your comment
@@JoeMartinez18 "Escuella was always a torn man, a cynic who desperately wanted to be a romantic. Javier would die fightin' for what he believed in. He had a lot of passion, but no love."-John Marston.
So basically anyone who was friendly with Arthur is an enemy in Javier, Bill, Micah, and Dutch’s eyes.
Javier was going through Denial. I think shortly after Arthur's passing he left Dutch, when he was forced to put his gun on John and Arthur he took the longest to do it, like he was waking up. Right towards the end Javier was starting to see but it was too late.
No dutch left bill and Javier when he walked away from arthur dutch exiled himself. So Javier had to deal with realizing he'd been used and had betrayed his true friends and then dutch abandoned them all
Looks like Dutch wasn’t the only one going crazy
When you think about it, when Arthur and John stood unshaken against micah, dutch n bill n javier,
Hosea,Lenny,Kieran, all the ladies, jack, uncle, and basically everyone would be on Arthurs side.
1:11 Them’s fighting words right there lmao
It’s so cool watching what people will do when things start going bad.
Arthur, John, and Charles start to question Dutch, while Javier, Bill, and Micah Get fanatically more loyal to Dutch.
Micah was never loyal but yeah for the other 2
Regardless of everything, i love how Javier saying “Arthur”..
Javier:Insults Arthur
Arthur:Stands up for himself
Javier:What did I do to you
that must be the first time i’ve ever seen abigail and javier interact and as much as i liked it ... i really didn’t
"It's by staying together that we live."
Tell that to Sean, Kieran, Hosea, and Lenny
Javier was just trying his best to keep the gang together. I believe the gang means a lot to him since he has been with them for a long time, and they all treated each other like family. And what it seems that Javier thinks that it's Arthur's side which was causing the gang to fall apart
Yeah I actually liked Javier he just changed
Is like John said: "When Dutch started fallin' apart, it hit Javier harder than any of us. He went crazy. It was like the only one thing he'd ever believed in turned out to be a fraud."
And that's exactly what happened: Javier felt he owed everything to Dutch and thought that the world was like one of his Mexican folk tales, where the noble hero has to die valiantly for a lost, yet noble cause and would be shameful if the opposite happened. He genuinely admired Dutch, even moreso than the other gang members, looking up to him as a fellow revolutionary.
He still never pointed his gun at Arthur and John when the gang split in 2 at the stand off before the pinkertons turned up. He was late in hearing Arthur expose micahs betrayal unfortunately...
Javier did point his gun at arthur and john
Yeah, after the announcement regarding the Pinkertons.
“Anyway, I should be getting on...”
Javier was stressed by the situation and be afraid to be killed
What I love is that Javier might be siding with Dutch, but during the standoff between Arthur and John vs the rest of the gang, Javier doesn't point his gun at the two, but instead aims it at the sky.
After the first shot by the Pinkertons, he slowly aimed at A and J. He took the slowest time to do that.
I love these videos, it shows who’s against who when it isnt always clear
Damn Javier was an argumental person I didn’t think of him that way I thought he was calmer
Darren 0613 he wasn’t arguing he was doing his best to keep the gang together see how it was only in chapter 6
Like John said in RDR1, when Dutch went crazy it hit Javier harder than anyone else. I'm happy they incorporated that
He just wanted the gang to stay together. In other dialogue Javier says that Dutch took him in at a young age, not unlike John and Arthur. I guess he considered Dutch like a father, so just wanted his family to be happy, and decided the best way to do that was to follow Dutch to the end
WeGoBoom He wasn't so young as Arthur and John tough, Arthur and John where 12 when they where found by Dutch and Hosea. Javier was between 20 and 21, since Arthur says that Javier is with the gang for 5 years, while he has 26 years during RDR 2.
@@SSC0002 What the hell are you on about, Dutch picked up Arthur in 1878, Javier was found by Dutch in 1895 and Arthur is quite a few years older than Javier, you clearly know nothing about this series.
If Charles' honor was visible, it would make you blind
1:36 Seriously Javier had the balls to confront Charles like that. It is said that Charles is the best melee fighter in the gang, so he'd probably pummel Javier into next week
Everyone: *having a serious convercation*
Arthur: O K G O O D T A L K
C A T C H Y O U L A T E R T H E N
Charles reminds me of Connor from assassins creed, calm but deadly
Saaaame!
Don’t insult Charles by comparing him to that whiney turd.
Yep, calm but deadly, stoic but friendly.
the only reason Javier had a dramatic character change was because he's a villain in rdr1 lol.
Javier: What’s wrong with all of you, huh?
Me: I miss Hosea😢
And I miss strauss his missions were fun
@@shodan2002 lmao
Javier completely changed in chapter 6
Yeah he became a bitch
I loVE CHArlES' VOIcE HOLy crAP
Javier was a good man, that picked a wrong side.
R.I.P. Javier Escuella
John: Abigail would have killed you already she always thought you were a creep
its sad when you think about before the bar fight mission javier and charles were having a fun time there, they saved sean together, and then you watch this thing
I can see javier has a point .dont risk money for your lives because your lives are more important money means nothing.
Guerilla Gaming. Money matters too. You can make more money but your life is the only one you have though. But you need money to sustain and improve that life.
Javier: It's by staying together...that we live!
Arthur: COUGH COUGH
The wall just got ten feet taller
Ah, so it was Javier’s fault...
ECKDIFU0310 You deserve a like.
John and Charles spent like three chapters hammering at that cart's wheel, you'd think they couldve fixed it by now
Charles is the best character in that game. He’s always been loyal when it mattered and he doesn’t let himself get pushed around. I just wish he was around when Arthur died.
The way Charles talks back to Javier is so satisfying
i got really sad when javier started being mean, he was one of my favourites before :(
Charles is the only person who is level headed and neutral about it all
Would’ve been interesting to see Javid and Charles fight. My money would be on lone wolf again
Well Javiers trying to keep the gang together. He obviously doesn’t have the social skills and obviously doesn’t know what he’s doing but he’s trying.
Javier owed alot to Dutch... But even further... I don't think Dutch did anything to harm him or the gang in Javier's eyes... Its not his fault someone snitched, or a boat crashed, or anything like that... Why shouldn't he still be loyal?
Sankofa NYC Yep, Javier didn't even know that it was Micah who betrayed the gang in the end, since when Arthur told everyone he was out scouting the Pinkertons. That's what shows how confuse it was to him when he Saw Arthur pointing a gun at Dutch.
I love Javier I really do. It’s so sad how everyone treats him. He was poisoned by Micah like Dutch. Possibly the most loyal man there and I include Arthur
I feel like this was just Micah and Dutch getting to Javier’s head well more of Micah
No... It's because Javier had a horrible past... His family murdered, falling in love with a woman and then killing a powerfull man forcing him to leave his homeland and by the verge of death until Dutch.
Dutch treated him like a human being... And Javier owed him and truly believed in Dutch's words. Here you see him frustrated that his new family is falling apart...
Marsupilami Oh Ok I was talking about him taking sides with Dutch instead of Arthur
@@user-mr2ef8id5t That' the reason he chose Dutch... He owed Dutch his life and he was like a Messiah for Javier, a Prophet.
I don't think Micah was the one filling Javier's head with anything. Micah was a racist scumbag. Now, Dutch on the other hand, was able to influence Javier to stay loyal to him.
@@JoeMartinez18 Like John said, when Dutch went insane, Javier took it the hardest, because it was like the one thing he believed in was a lie.
I like how Javier somehow thinks he can judge Arthur for not being loyal enough at Horseshoe. Like Arthur is as close to a son to Dutch and Hosea as you can get.
Next game is gonna be the story of Lyle Morgan probably
I hope so
I think that would be an interesting one, just to see why Arthur despised him so much.
honestly I love all the characters. Every character is likable, the villains in this game were done so well
Charles could hit Javier, he would win a fight
But it's Charles. He just wins.
@Shadowlit001 I think him and arthur are the strongest, but my money is on pre TB arthur, he beat up a bigger man than charles who was mopping the floor with javier
@Shadowlit001 John would destroy him.
@WinterFell _ John is the best H2H fighter in RDR, Charles wouldn't stand a chance. The only thing he has over John is size. Charles would put up a decent fight but John would crush him.
Hamza Khaliq Don't know, for me Arthur was far stronger than John in Hand to hand combat.
John was never a real fighter if you go look on rdr and even rdr 2. He was a Gunslinger and sharpshooter, but not a fighter.
He could beat Javier o i think, even Bill, but not Charles or Arthur who where clearly fighters, and also both where strong as bulls.
I love how Charles is cool and collected, all stoic like, but he's literally just like, "dude what are you talking about?"
javier makes me so sad. he’s a good man, really, he’s just so scared of a life with no one to follow.
Charles is wise as hell