The Secret History of the Internet

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  • Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
  • In this prequel to the 'ICANN and the 7 Keys to the Internet' podcast, David talks Marques and Andrew through the wildly interesting history of the internet. There's plenty of information out there about the beginning of the World Wide Web in 1989, but what was happening before that? How did the internet start? How long did it take to turn on? And why does it always start with Sputnik? David answers all those questions and more while explaining how everything came to be. Special thanks to everyone that took the time to talk with us to make this episode. We hope you enjoy!
    Watch the full 7 Keys to the Internet video: bit.ly/wvfrmep148
    Music licensed from Epidemic Sound:
    www.epidemicsound.com/campaig...
    Chapters
    00:00 Intro
    01:10 How did it all start?
    06:30 What is DARPA?
    12:20 Packet switching
    19:59 Ad break
    20:03 A bunch of networks being set up
    27:30 The networking problem
    36:40 Turning on the internet
    39:10 Ad break
    39:12 The Internet scales
    49:58 Personal computing starts blowing up
    56:48 World Wide Web is invented
    01:04:10 What comes next?
    01:19:50 Outro
    Audio/Video Sources:
    David Hochfelder Interview with Vint: ethw.org/Oral-History:Vinton_...
    AT&T Life of a tech operator: • The Life of a Telephon...
    DARPA 50 Year video: • DARPA's 50 years on video
    DARPA Formative years: • DARPA: The Formative Y...
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  • @momothetraveler
    @momothetraveler Рік тому +317

    I'm very disappointed Vint Cerf's title at Google is not Internet Zaddy, so I registered that domain and pointed it at his Wikipedia page.
    I won't link to it to avoid getting my comment removed again.

  • @charlesdamien5849
    @charlesdamien5849 Рік тому +674

    This is now part of the Waveform Cinematic Universe

    • @PhewChurz
      @PhewChurz Рік тому +16

      Into The Waveyverse ™️

    • @edwinujevwe
      @edwinujevwe Рік тому +2

      Nice...I'm sure it would be an extended universe..

    • @charlesdamien5849
      @charlesdamien5849 Рік тому +4

      @@edwinujevwe long form*

    • @blipmachine
      @blipmachine Рік тому +6

      David is the Nick Fury of the WCU. Phase 1 off to a great start.

    • @kieran9882
      @kieran9882 Рік тому +1

      In an alternate universe, Marques plays Jack in the hit movie Titanic

  • @MrBarneyDinosaur
    @MrBarneyDinosaur Рік тому +297

    David is obscenely talented when it comes to researching/presenting these things. This and the ICANN episode are both fantastic.
    I’d love to see him cover User Interfaces and the development of operating systems - especially the work by Douglas Engelbart and Xerox PARC.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Рік тому +9

      yes, that would be the prequel to this and the prequel to that is: how chips get invented and the prequel to that is: how computing got invented

    • @SurajCdry
      @SurajCdry Рік тому +4

      Absolutely!

    • @RohinNair
      @RohinNair Рік тому +3

      ​​​@@autohmae inb4 David eventually pulls a Bill Wurtz and eventually covers the history of everything

    • @NineteenEightyFive
      @NineteenEightyFive Рік тому +5

      Hiring the right people can be very difficult and marques has done an amazing job in that regard. Not only are the staff intelligent and talented but seem like genuinely good people too. That's hard to find.

    • @neoqueto
      @neoqueto 25 днів тому

      Get Ivan Sutherland on the show!

  • @kylefrank5593
    @kylefrank5593 Рік тому +158

    Crazy that I was just thinking about the ICANN episode earlier today and then the prequel drops today?!? This story just keeps getting better and more interesting. Thanks for another absolutely incredible episode!

  • @PhewChurz
    @PhewChurz Рік тому +67

    I think Ellis is the greatest addition to the podcast. He knows when to interject at the right moment with added knowledge.
    I also love David's Deep Dive Episodes (TripleDDD) more than any other!

  • @bansheebacklash3730
    @bansheebacklash3730 Рік тому +204

    An hour and a half waveform podcast on the history of the internet all through the Cold War?
    And it's Friday night and I'm working the warehouse alone? By the time I get this done, Linus should be live.
    Thanks so much guys, this was a really fascinating documentary.

    • @AkshayHarith
      @AkshayHarith Рік тому +6

      Lol. The second sentence is epic!

  • @mrpratster
    @mrpratster Рік тому +62

    As a former Network engineer between 1997+. I worked at BBN Planet when the ARPANet (Internet) became commercialized. We had AS1 designation. Also worked at Cisco for 15. We used to pride ourself that Cisco equipment runs the backbone of the Internet. Great story telling. Great episode.

    • @rodgerbright3764
      @rodgerbright3764 9 місяців тому

      Cisco was the largest software manufacturer for decades. Because of ios running on their routers. Before iOS of course.

  • @Lisa_McGuire
    @Lisa_McGuire Рік тому +74

    This is now my most favorite podcast of all time!! TY Marques for supporting/ backing all this research and everyone at Waveform for making it so easy to understand!💙💙💙💙💙

    • @vesper7750
      @vesper7750 Рік тому +5

      Yess I agree, love that they aren't afraid to do these kinds of episode too!! 🎉

  • @chihabetthamry9434
    @chihabetthamry9434 Рік тому +91

    i love this type of episodes would love to see it becoming a monthly thing

  • @Arun_Jayanthi
    @Arun_Jayanthi Рік тому +24

    I just love David. He just is too much interested in this complicated stuff and explains them with such a breeeeezzzzeeee.

  • @rickywinterborn
    @rickywinterborn Рік тому +28

    these are the BEST waveform eps. i'd listen to a whole separate podcast about this stuff

  • @XINN1X
    @XINN1X Рік тому +77

    love these highly researched episodes on interesting topics. hopefully more soon!

  • @_monolithic_
    @_monolithic_ Рік тому +76

    I've noticed David does some really solid impressions.

  • @bezdusznyi
    @bezdusznyi Рік тому +16

    I loved every second of this. David is amazing at researching such things, and both him and Ellis were so good at telling it

  • @HunterGlod
    @HunterGlod Рік тому +5

    As someone who works in IT, this episode and the 7 keys episode are the best Waveform episodes available.

  • @tanjiehjia
    @tanjiehjia Рік тому +6

    Now I’m craving a regularly scheduled docu-series about all things tech from the past, present, and future.

  • @davidkeithcanete2152
    @davidkeithcanete2152 Рік тому +9

    One of the most informative pieces I've ever listened to. Man, I'm surprised I haven't heard anything remotely close to this ever about the Internet. Wonderful job guys!

  • @MessiFCBisseM
    @MessiFCBisseM Рік тому +5

    “some ppl think older ppl don’t know how to use the internet! I have news for you, we invented it”.
    Crazy stuff, thanks guys!

  • @harshithmonu1092
    @harshithmonu1092 Рік тому +2

    "Welcome to David's Stomping Ground, absolute geeking out!"

  • @AsymmetricThrust
    @AsymmetricThrust Рік тому +10

    More David episodes, more space tech tangents, and more deep dives into backstory of _____ !

  • @chillinJohnny
    @chillinJohnny Рік тому +19

    I love that David is now the lead chair guy

  • @spinyoblock2024
    @spinyoblock2024 Рік тому +11

    I love these storytelling videos David is so good at it please do more of these

  • @GoStormPlays
    @GoStormPlays Рік тому +22

    You guys should call these special episodes the Longform Podcast

  • @n4thanstewart
    @n4thanstewart Рік тому +4

    I came over from Apple Podcasts just to say I really appreciate this video and this kind of content in general, it was really fun and I’d to see more like this, so thank you David in particular and everyone who made this episode possible!

  • @Ontrek9
    @Ontrek9 Рік тому +2

    A lot of this information I knew but I didn't know it tied together. Thanks.

  • @pavana8905
    @pavana8905 Рік тому +3

    It's super cool and very useful knowledge and history. Thanks David

  • @JG3outANDabout
    @JG3outANDabout Рік тому +1

    A full David show... this is my JAM!

  • @waleedshadani
    @waleedshadani Рік тому +9

    David: This one is a long time Coming
    Us: Indeed

    • @DevinPoux
      @DevinPoux Рік тому +2

      LMAO at least he acknowledged it immediately loll

  • @mehaupadhyay117
    @mehaupadhyay117 Рік тому +4

    Notice the spark in David’s eyes!!

  • @dizsun7428
    @dizsun7428 Рік тому +2

    I always get mesmerized whenever David is speaking

  • @iMikeTech811
    @iMikeTech811 Рік тому +5

    Not gonna lie, I LOVE episodes like this! So so sooooo informative and interesting! And I love seeing the responses on everyone when they learn something new! Awesome stuff as always guys!

  • @Jwdude123
    @Jwdude123 5 місяців тому +1

    What I think I enjoy most other than dialogue is the respectfulness toward each other.

  • @itschrishuerta
    @itschrishuerta Рік тому +3

    I usually don’t listen to story time podcasts but David does it so well! It’s like I’m hanging out with you guys lol

  • @JamesOKeefe-US
    @JamesOKeefe-US Рік тому +2

    Loved this! Awesome episode from start to finish. So much interesting information that we take for granted. Thank you for this!

  • @mehranbolhasani-se
    @mehranbolhasani-se Рік тому +3

    The best podcast of the Intergalacticnet.

  • @AndreTrigueros
    @AndreTrigueros Рік тому +4

    Love how you guys switched places... like switching packets.

  • @MobileBytesTV
    @MobileBytesTV Рік тому +6

    Oh, thank goodness, I watched all your old podcasts at work, and now I crave more.

  • @avinashlp713
    @avinashlp713 Рік тому +4

    David just killed it on this one!! really love these long researched podcasts!

  • @dopeYThandle
    @dopeYThandle Рік тому +3

    I could legit listen to David all day 😍😍

  • @letiziasparks2902
    @letiziasparks2902 Рік тому +1

    Oh my God this channel just leveled up and I appreciate it so much. Tech channels often skip out on the history that brought tech we take for granted in the 21st century. I appreciate it immensely. Access to information and history is valuable and whether people in the U.S. want to admit it or not our free access is being challenged and no android or iphone discussion is going to help us wake up and recognize that we take the ease of the internet for granted. Anyway, thanks for the awesome video!!!!

  • @randxalthor
    @randxalthor Рік тому +3

    Can't believe you got to interview Vint Cerf for this. What a power move.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Рік тому

      I was surprised they didn't when they did the DNS episode before, but now it makes sense, they already were in contact with him 🙂

  • @chiru9867
    @chiru9867 Рік тому +5

    David the 🐐

  • @mrafeek.personal
    @mrafeek.personal Рік тому +5

    It's a Friday night and I never thought I would enjoy this podcast over a TV show or a movie! Amazing entertainment, keep bringing more of this
    Marques & Andrew - Please feel free to ask more dumb questions when it gets too nerdy :)

  • @Hphotography
    @Hphotography Рік тому +12

    Love y’all’s long form content!

  • @702johnny
    @702johnny Рік тому +2

    No exaggeration... this episode and the 7 keys to the internet episode are the coolest information explained. Information I should know but didn't. Really love this type of content. Keep up the great work.

  • @aftabsk
    @aftabsk Рік тому +4

    I remember when Marques said he wants to be the Neil de grasse Tyson of tech .....now it feels like the whole wvfrm channel is going to that direction 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻keep it up....

  • @aykhanislamzade
    @aykhanislamzade Рік тому +4

    This channel is such a peaceful and safe place for me to rest on the weekend. Like hanging out with some homies 😂

  • @redshirt256
    @redshirt256 Рік тому +3

    Amazing episode, i only knew bits & pieces of this story but this really brought everything together for me. Looking forward to the next longform episode!

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Рік тому

      Great to see this icon here. 🙂Let me know if you have any Internet questions

  • @phyllishauser3887
    @phyllishauser3887 Рік тому +2

    This was a great episode! Very informative and it kept my interest the entire time. I’m going to watch the ICANN episode later.

  • @ashvinnihalani8821
    @ashvinnihalani8821 Рік тому +1

    So a slight point of correction:
    Store and forwarding is still used in packet switching. The main idea of packet switching is like you said you divide the data stream into packets and sent it across the network and it arrives at the destination as different times and the client reconstructs it. However most of the time you don’t send the data directly to the destination rather you have to route it through multiple clients that store and forward the packets along. In this sense, packet switching is built upon store and forward. The key point is the fact that the data is chunked before sending it through the mesh networking.
    The interplanetary intent reverts to a more rudimentary idea of store and forward. Because there is such a time delay and relatively limited routes between the client, you shouldn’t chunk your data in packets. Rather you send all data at once, it waits at a node often combing multiple nodes. The key point here is that the intermediate station holds and combines the data.

  • @albertoguadalupe3988
    @albertoguadalupe3988 Рік тому +2

    Im a computerized information systems major and this is SUPER interesting. Ive learned most of these in my networks classes, but I love the added facts.

  • @revantadlakha
    @revantadlakha Рік тому +3

    Really like the fun editing on the pod.

  • @indian_doc
    @indian_doc Рік тому +1

    This was so cool. Didn't notice the time passing. Thank you, and please make more of these.

  • @deepakbhatti155
    @deepakbhatti155 Рік тому +1

    i love these story time podcasts. soooo sick!

  • @nasseralsharif
    @nasseralsharif Рік тому +2

    I’m really enjoying these episodes about history. This is like computer science history class

  • @trackboy311
    @trackboy311 Рік тому +4

    David is the WAVEFORM GOD. My boy is smart!

  • @omotayotim
    @omotayotim Рік тому +3

    For this series Waveform remains forever GOATED. 🤞🏽

  • @piercecohen
    @piercecohen Рік тому +2

    These episodes are incredible 🤯
    More David explaining science/tech please!

  • @GeorgeArroyoMusic
    @GeorgeArroyoMusic Рік тому +2

    “How much Reddit karma does he have?”
    Not going to lie, that caught me off guard Andrew 😂

  • @erikmcgregor
    @erikmcgregor Рік тому +2

    Feels like "reply all" is back. Keep doing these please

  • @belmo_
    @belmo_ Рік тому +2

    You should do this more often. This is so fun to watch and listen.

  • @awribhu
    @awribhu Рік тому +1

    I absolutely love these episodes, and I make time and mental space to watch these. Not cleaning, not driving, not doing anything, but, just absorbing/soaking in all the info.

  • @casual_sky2
    @casual_sky2 Рік тому +1

    I love these videos where David goes ham on the research! Absolutely fantastic! Thanks for the work team...

  • @ragsbigfella
    @ragsbigfella 11 місяців тому

    This is the best waveform podcast so far. Entire "computer networking" course summary in one video. Thanks a lot MKBHD team

  • @bobettejoyner
    @bobettejoyner Рік тому +1

    This was so fun to listen to but I noticed right away when he said www was started in ‘99 (that it was wrong) because I lived thru that era. I am 71 yo and have worked in the IT field since 1990. I am still working and support Healthcare EMR, Epic. Thank you for the great exciting Podcast!!!

  • @kylevandeusen
    @kylevandeusen Рік тому +2

    David deep dives are THE BEST

  • @chester_ville_4066
    @chester_ville_4066 Рік тому +1

    This is one off my favorite episodes

  • @andysemper7556
    @andysemper7556 Рік тому +1

    Super awesome podcast, learned a ton. Thanks!

  • @munawwarmerchant713
    @munawwarmerchant713 Рік тому +2

    You guys have an amazing team now. This episode was fantastic.

  • @SkyFalllast
    @SkyFalllast Рік тому +2

    David doing the Lord's work! Great job WVFRM. I was enthralled the entire cast!

  • @BradMeyerlive
    @BradMeyerlive Рік тому +3

    David is a gifted storyteller.

  • @cherylchild
    @cherylchild Рік тому +1

    Not just university's had advanced computer science. DeAnza College in Cupertino, CA had a computer lab that was frequented by Steve Wozniak. He had to vie for computer time with students in the Physics department. When I went in to do an assignment for homework, he was always in the middle of "working on simulations" so he just knocked out my homework in about 5-seconds to get my time. My contribution to computer science.

  • @vivekathawale5615
    @vivekathawale5615 Рік тому +1

    Love these long form episodes! Do more!

  • @cagdasekinzohra300
    @cagdasekinzohra300 Рік тому +1

    Please make more episodes in this format, It was very informing and fun

  • @labmeeting
    @labmeeting Рік тому +2

    David is furiously taking notes for the 2035 episode on the birth of AI

  • @user-ng5wo3yx3o
    @user-ng5wo3yx3o Рік тому +1

    I love these episodes they feel like early Reply All episodes. Keep it alive Waveform!!

  • @jordanebert3313
    @jordanebert3313 Рік тому +2

    David's putting up a trilogy for the internet hall of fame yeah? 🤝

  • @01_aadityabansal34
    @01_aadityabansal34 Рік тому +1

    You have no Idea how interesting this is for a IT student and I just gave my UNIX OS final exam - so I am glad I found this episode today - I would love to listen to more episodes like this

  • @markusx06
    @markusx06 Рік тому +1

    This is my favorite episode ever. Keep up the great work

  • @amit_up
    @amit_up Рік тому +1

    I really wish this becomes a trend and you guys become the next "Reply All" podcast

  • @jaivirsingh9801
    @jaivirsingh9801 Рік тому +1

    Brilliant episode, also the best possible revision for my data communication exam tomorrow

  • @rudolf895
    @rudolf895 Рік тому +2

    Very engaging podcast couldn't turn away for a minute

  • @vesper7750
    @vesper7750 Рік тому +1

    I love that you do different kinds of stuff sometimes so that we get absolute gems like this episode 💎

  • @cherylchild
    @cherylchild Рік тому +2

    David. David, David, David. Do you know what a heartwarming experience it is to listen to an adorable young man speak in such well researched detail about the history of...me? Of course not literally me, but the much maligned Boomer generation that succeeded so magnificently in tearing the world apart, so-so at reassembling it, and a total failure at changing the fundamental nature of it, as no generation can.
    What that shift to a total Science based, parental approved dogma for the only serious pursuit of happiness available to our generation, came at at great cost to our personal development as any child of a Boomer will readily attest. Working class Boomers didn't have the luxury of being hippies, we just got high on the sidelines. Drugs were our drug.
    That I would live to see the day that my life becomes your history lesson, and such a positive one at that. I am so grateful that your generation somewhat forgives me, and pretties up the story to boot! You are rockin' it. Thank you, David, from the bottom of my heart, as well has your co-hosts. You are all doing the young people's magic of making something out of nothing.

  • @imjamiekroll
    @imjamiekroll Рік тому +1

    AMAZING I love this format! I learned sooo much and how david even interviewed this guy is incredible! Thank you guys!!! We need more of this!

  • @chasingdogs
    @chasingdogs Рік тому +3

    Can't thank you enough, David... for the fucking great stories. too good !

    • @chasingdogs
      @chasingdogs Рік тому +2

      Kudos to the entire team for backing him up too.

  • @usernextclick2482
    @usernextclick2482 Рік тому +3

    How come was the upload later than usual?

  • @mitulbhatnagar983
    @mitulbhatnagar983 Рік тому +2

    I absolutely love the details on the topic of the internet. Would love to understand more on models behind Dall.E and ChatGPT.

  • @exyled99
    @exyled99 Рік тому +6

    Love this kind of episode, great job on the research!

  • @jerkytoo8184
    @jerkytoo8184 8 місяців тому

    It's easy to take for granted that technological innovations can take a long time to overcome the early hurdles but then progress after that moves very quickly.
    Very informative and entertaining.

  • @tiberiusbaxter7595
    @tiberiusbaxter7595 Рік тому +2

    Awesome episode! More like this🤟🤟🤟🤟

  • @nai7468
    @nai7468 Рік тому +1

    Amazing episode! Always love learning about the internet. Learned a lot about it in uni but this was was way more detailed and entertaining. Honestly I’m surprised there aren’t documentaries or movies about internet history yet.

  • @charlesdamien5849
    @charlesdamien5849 Рік тому +17

    Out of curiosity what did everyone do since it was released later in the day? How did it effect your schedule?

    • @oliverwilson6904
      @oliverwilson6904 Рік тому +1

      It’s released at this time a lot of the time
      Edit: Not considering time zones

    • @charlesdamien5849
      @charlesdamien5849 Рік тому +1

      @@oliverwilson6904 No it's typically released around 8 sometimes 9 at the latest

    • @comdnoive
      @comdnoive Рік тому +1

      @@charlesdamien5849 Yeah it's two hours later than normal

    • @charlesdamien5849
      @charlesdamien5849 Рік тому

      @@oliverwilson6904 not how time zones work 😬

    • @tiarastevens6278
      @tiarastevens6278 Рік тому

      I was sooo bored at work! I just listened to music and kept refreshing

  • @alexcleland4411
    @alexcleland4411 10 місяців тому

    These few episodes are basically storytime with David and Im all for it. An episode like this with others in the storytime seat would be great :D

  • @AlekVS
    @AlekVS 8 місяців тому +1

    I want more episodes like this because it's easier to relisten because it's less about the news

  • @mjams231
    @mjams231 Рік тому +1

    This was amazing! Thanks for the look into the internet’s secret history. 😊 it’s wonderful to have this on record and this subject is really exciting! Absolute awesomeness! It’s blowing my mind.

  • @339Rohit
    @339Rohit Рік тому +1

    Great storytelling and honestly one of the best episode of 2023! Way to go team!

  • @rumenvasilev1172
    @rumenvasilev1172 Рік тому +1

    Pure gold! Those themes are super cool just keep them comin'

  • @orchidmsc
    @orchidmsc Рік тому +1

    Kudos for maintaining my interest for over an hour online.

  • @SrivikasVishnubhotla
    @SrivikasVishnubhotla 5 місяців тому

    I am as amazed by David as David is amazed by Vint Cerf!! Huge thanks to David and the WVFRM team! Excellent content.