Playing Star Wars: X-Wing Second Edition w/ Co-Designer Alex Davy
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2018
- We got our hands on Second Edition in order to show everyone how the new game actually plays on the table! Huge thank you to co-designer Alex Davy for bringing the heat!
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It's good to see that green dice will still betray you in the new edition
Always!
Man, I don't even know how many times I watched it - 50 maybe? It is so much fun to see them playing, relaxed and enjoying every minute of it. Love it!
Every time I watch this I think "That Ywing barrel roll was a terrible idea."
I'm so stoked for this, i've been waiting for a refresh for x wing for quite a long while. This really seems like took a lot of work and planning from ffg.
Same! This finally will get me playing again. I haven't been this excited to play for such a long time.
shawn hughes
*whole* You got a hole alright, in your head!
@shawn hughes whole
Y-Wing is my favorite starfighter from the original trilogy. Nice to see it gets some love in the redesign.
Make the Xwing great again!
Thanks for this. I'm so excited for the new
version
Zach we all saw you bump that u wing
That is just classic X-Wing.
This was great, and the two of you very charming and informative, I'd love to see more games
Thank you Louis!
Team covenant is THE place for all things non-MTG, I am really amazed by the production values and how quick you guys are to report all the new good stuff.
On the 'quick' part... I think FFG might brief them beforehand.
Thank you!
Really sad about the AMG’s announcement cancelling X-Wing. I only got into it in the AMG era during the holidays last year, but I found this video and really loved it. You guys had great energy and really communicated the joy of the game. Just revisiting it now for a rewatch. I hope one day you guys get Alex back for a casual match! 2.0E, 2.5E, whatever!
This was an amazing session and great job Zac for keeping the discussion questions going during the experience. Really good content.
Thank you!
I am so excited for 2.0. I can wait to start playing again. I've still been collecting everything but I have not played since the TIE Silencer came out.
Some interesting things cropping up in this ed, should be fun to get started with it, love the animated profiles of the ships on the sides showing who's got what and what they loose.
Thanks for the video on x-wing miniatures 2.0! It helped me out so much for making strategies in the game and also helped me know what to do in difficult situations. I also got better at maneuvers in this game. Thank you!🙂
Cheers!
"What are you, the X-Wing forums?" Fucking brilliant.
Really stoked about all the changes.
Us too!
Great video, as usual! You've got my 2.0 pre-order!
I don't know why, but I never picked up x-wing but I love armada. Now with the 2nd edition coming I think I'm gonna pick up
So cool to see this, and is definitely a welcome change. Really pleased to see you guys at the forefront of bringing us this news first, with such high quality too!
Thank you Jim! We are glad you are enjoying it!
shawn hughes
* haven't* Keep your wet dreams to yourself plz
Good banter. Like the mid size bases.
Banter here is top quality, super nice to see friendly games like this shot and edited well with lots of room for it. Both of ya
Thanks for the kind words Richard! Cheers.
Guys, thank you - really high quality production and fantastic to watch you both play and I learnt so much! Amazing
Thank you Stephen! Cheers.
Glad this was a proper full point game and not a core set tutorial style one. Nice job, fun to watch.
Thanks Scott!
would love to have this overlay for videos and streams looks great and clean.
I love how that U-wing just spun in circles, was never hit until the end (and that was only shields lost), and just went disco lasers on shooting because of that spinning.
I loved the "TWO BROTHERS" reference from Rick and Morty 😂
Great video guys.
Question: In First Edition a ship cannot take the same action twice in one activation. In Second Edition, some actions are linked. Could a ship with Focus>Boost take their linked Focus action, Boost, then clear stress (as demonstrated in the video), and use their normal Boost action?
I have some 2nd edition stuff and want to get the big rebel transport, but you can only get first edition version. Do I have to buy the whole big conversion pack just for this, or is there an easier way?
U-Wing looks pretty legit now!
I'm really loving the ordnance changes, hopefully Rebels will get a lot more mileage out of that upgrade slot.
"It went from 60 Minutes all the way to Ninja Turtles..."
I have one question to all people complaining about the price to upgrade ALL ships: where is your loyalty? Why do you want to play EVERY faction? The setting of the game is so deep and rich with lore, it always was about choosing your side. Be a proud representative of your faction and stop being unprincipled consumer. Even FFG stimulates that in Second Edition by putting all the upgrades you need in your Faction ships. I always felt sorry for people who play Rebels this week and Imperials the next week - they are missing the whole point and an emotional experience.
The flying together aspect of compressing PS (now Initiative) is an interesting one I hadn't considered. But ultimately I feel like the only Init that will matter will just be the highest and the lowest just like it was before.
PerfectJayDread Where it helps is you will have more ships that are the same PS making flying them together much easier. I used to have a really difficult time making a squad of all 7s or 8s because ships I wanted to fly didn't have pilots of that skill level
Nah. They are giving mid level pilots some great abilities which will keep them relevant.
Which playing mat is this, does anyone know? I like the look of those stars!
Great content! What cameras do you guys use?
So a new damage deck. Does this mean the Force Awakens damage deck is done with after release? Or you think we'll get the option like before between the core and TFA core?
I play a community-made story-based co-op with my friends, instead of the pvp tourny stuff. Much more fun, it's like playing a tabletop RPG. Would be great if this style of play was incorporated into the base game from the maker.
Aturi Cluster?
How do you co-op this game? Is it 1 vs. All? I assume someone has to play the opposition.
SR Forrester I imagine someone plays like a DM, making decisions and squads and encounters with a mind towards what's fun to play against, and not just what wins. Either that, or it's team v. team with an evolving narrative based on who wins each battle.
Grindstone just think, maybe you can even design custom legalities and point costs, then create something that uses it, upload it, and all your players can access it in-app. Wouldn't that be so freakin awesome?
This is what nearly everyone is playing because it is SO DAMN GOOD: Heroes of the Aturi Cluster dockingbay416.com/campaign/
why didn't they make a preorder damage deck for each faction?
So, can someone explain how you'll know what upgrades you can have now, and how many points stuff will cost?
Point costs will be available via the FFG Squadbuilder app, which has yet to be released.
Will still buy 1.0 ships when 2.0 comes out? I am wanting to get into game
How many focus tokens/evade tokens can each ship have at one time? In the starter edition it made it sound like you could have any amount which sounds crazy to me so my friends and I agreed to a maximum of two for each ship. Did I read the rules wrong or....?
This video sold the game to me. I've bought myself 6 ships already, not even ones that could really be a list just some of my favorites. Really liking all of this and looking forward to having this as a hobby as opposed to something like MTG where you always have to stay on top of buying new random crap to keep playing at home you can just buy your favorite ships for a really reasonable price and have fun playing them for ever.
On the optimized prototype do you have to have a focus token in order to spend an eyeball dice?
Nope! Just spend a die that is on the eyeball side.
How are squad points calculated in this version?
@Team Convenant I have a question, I just started to watch this video again and was mentioned that the optimized prototype could be assigned to the TIE Reaper. but that is actually possible in 1.0 but in 2.0 you can't. since the card reads "to another friendly ship". that was confusing...
Thanks for letting us know! We will look into it.
i hope with the realease of 2nd edition you go back to some ship previews
Thank you for the nice video!
Thank you for watching Timo!
Sorry i didnt get it. Do I have to buy the conversion kit to make my x wing set valid, but i only have x wings, y wing, tie fighters and tie advanced. I have to buy BOTH of the conversion kit full of cards and tiles i wont use just for this ships?
you can buy single ship conversion kits on ebay
are saw's renigades considered their own faction or are they part of the rebels? if they are still rebels then can't jek still get the benefit of tubes?
Are the maneuver templates the same size as the old ones or are they larger? They look larger.
We are looking into it and will let you know when we do!
All signs point to the same size.
GerManticore how do you do the banks?
Will you ever come back to X-WIng? Really enjoyed this video :)
What is the score at the end of the game and how count it ?
If you care about score you can count up surviving points. But this is a game to the death.
Is it just my imagination, or did they change up the shield/hull numbers on the X-wings and Y-wings?
in another video zach mentioned that you guys played several games - any chance there will be another video like this? and if so - when might that video come out? anyways, love your content, I watched this video twice already :D
We have one coming out very soon. Keep an eye on the channel!
Since the Y-wing didn’t attack. When do you get to turn a turret in a different direction during gameplay apart from the game setup?
A ship take a 'rotate action' to turn a turret to any other firing arc.
Thanks for clarifying. I figured out the action symbol and primary turret weapon symbols when I watched FFG’s full ‘X-Wing 2.0 - Rebel Alliance Conversion Kit Unboxing’ last night (the last one I watched of the 3 factions and the one with the most turrets incl the Y-wing upgrade lol)
Here’s what I transcribed paraphrasing:
Alex called it a Double Arc Primary Turret Weapon. The ship card symbol represents turrets on top and bottom of a ship and it fires 180 deg mobile coverage so no ship has a 360 deg coverage field of fire anymore (Frank pointed out to me in an email once explaining the Outrider there is no 360 deg ‘arc’ in the game) but basically you can fire right and left or forward and aft ship base quadrant wedge arcs when you turn the turret.
I assume you roll attack dice to fire one direction then the defender rolls then you resolve damage. then repeat for the other direction one right after the other since they’re attacking two different ships?
They show the punch board piece at 23:40 how it points to two opposite quadrants of coverage.
I don’t think they have the big circle arrow on the base anymore(?) they didn’t show a lot of cardboard
Also the proverbial donut hole in which 1.0 couldn’t attack at range 1 on the YT-2400 2.0 it now has a title built in called Sensor Blindspot it effectively has half attack instead of no attack.
They really toned down, drew in, nerfed, streamlined, chained popular actions to stress and weapon capabilities and character abilities and added titles built in to the ship and upgrade cards for a lot of capabilities overall is what I’ve learned from yours and FFG’s videos. I can definitely see how it puts a premium on planning and maneuvering to set up combat ie. destroying ships as a squad better.
Bottom line is they learned from and reined in the competitive meta mayhem they unintentionally I assume created is the upside.
Now let’s see how competitive meta min max players corrupt this 2.0 system. I know they’re up to the task already. I say that half jokingly.
This coming from a person whose collected X-w, not played much, never competitive, no missions yet, no heroes of the atrui cluster, but figured out how to play it solo without charts or rolling dice just play each ship to win that turn, but learned a lot about it from TC and other channels, blogs, flipperoverlord’s X-wing for Beginners PDF on FFG forums, video batreps and yet another squad builder.
unfortunately a double edge sword. learn from, be frustrated, confused, suffocated by the competitive meta and the number of cards in the game. probably because I min-max in D&D when I played it so I would do the same ; )
One thing to note is I think FFG did a fantastic job of capturing the Star Wars movie canon and EU theme & mechanics and not repeating them on any two cards. Time will tell if that translates to 2.0.
Long post. But I do that when I’m interested in figuring something out ;
MTFBWY
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We are really hoping they stick with what they said in the Hyperspace Report, paraphrasing, "Get back to flying, and to make it feel like Star Wars."
Is this game still going?
1:06:40 why didn’t Zach do the linked actions? Barrel roll and red focus?
I must pay 1yellow Energy to attack torpedos or i pay it when i use ability?
Okay I’m making the comment: Alex got his Tubes tied... apart from that I love the new edition tweaks!
What camera do you guys use for the overhead shot?
It is a Canon Camcorder!
So what is Range "0" - is that touching?
We believe so!
Change is scary but once everyone gets their kits and starts playing I think the games new direction will become loved.
Thank you Sean, so do we!
Why would I pay $50 for a kit that does not include any ships? As far as I can tell they are holding their customers that want new X-Wing hostage for a re-buy.
does pre oredering the core set on your site get us the new damage deck
We are looking into that today, but needless to say we are pursuing it pretty fervently.
Where is the Edrio two tubes before you activate mine says after
How do you know which upgrades you can equip to a ship? You have upgrades on your ships but there's nothing on the pilot cards that shows what upgrades they can take.
The upgrade slots and point costs for each ship are listed in the app/website when building a list. The reason for doing so is to allow upgrade slots and point costs to be updated in the future without reprinting cardboard / issuing errata.
I love how Benthic took a red coordinate to give Jek a focus, when he could have taken two focuses and given one to Jek with no stress and less risk at 1:47:30
But that is just not how the Tube brothers roll!
Exactly, it wouldn't have been "tubular" to use his brotherly trick so soon after his brother's death.
Oh god, watching that Y-Wing get deleted made me feel all sorts of good tingles...
Let me start by saying that i am super stoked for x-wing second Edition. It looks superb, the designers and everyone involved obviously did a fantastic job. The only thing I am slightly worried about is the s-foils - it kinda looks like you have to press really hard to make them change position on the renegade x-wing. On the classic x-wing on the other hand it seems like you need to only barely touch the wings to change them instantly (Alex even changes them by accident at one point). Do wave 14 x-wings have a different sculpt from the core Set x-wings maybe? Or are all those ships in the video prototypes anyways? But those are minor details of course, overall 2.0 is like all my dreams come true.
Thanks for commenting Thomas. With X2, select ships are getting new sculpts, In our blog there is a picture of the old and new Y-Wing sculpt side-by-side and it is much better looking! See the pic here: goo.gl/iwsXyg
After watching the playthrough, I'm excited for this change for X-wing. I am, however, not a fan of the extra cardboard Fantasy Flight is throwing at us.
In the engagement beginning at 01:25:30 why didn't captain feroph ever engage edrio right in front of him? Seems like a wasted turn but I'm new so maybe I'm not understanding something?
I dont understand the move in the last round from Davie. Why not give double focus to the U Wing and spend one token to the X-Wing?
Next time we see him we will ask.
Hey was I missing something, shouldnt benthic have been able to pass those focuses to jek too? I assumed he didnt because the other 2 tubes gets the bonus, but then he did a coordinate and took a stress when he could have ended up unstressed with a focus, right?
Having 2 focus tokens counters Ferophs ability if he needs to spend one on attack. It might have been a calculated measure not to pass a token.
he's talking about the time when he coordinated one which is counter to your argument. if he'd focused and passed one to porkins then porkins could have done a focus and had 2 tokens one to spend and one to cancel the ability and the u wing would have also had a focus instead of a stress. he just forgot man.
I only have ONE question for 2nd edition. Why did a bunch of ships that where oversized for their base get moved to medium, yet the ONE ship that is UNDERSIZED for its base size not get moverd to medium? Why is the Aggresor still on a large base?
memnarch129 The Tir Aggressor is on a small base and should be on a small base.
"Jek! Always thinks he can hold it. Can never hold it." bwahahaha...
Will the version 1 game still out there or is it going to be retired?
Still technically out there, but no longer printed and no official support.
So...are Australians and Kiwis going to get the short end of the stick, when this is released?
Can you still shoot the turret out the primary and the mobile arc or just the mobile
Great question, Sam! If you want to hit your opponents with an Ion Cannon, you will need to have them in whichever arc you have turned your mobile firing arc towards. We will also be covering turrets more fully in an upcoming video with co-designer Alex Davy!
How exactly is barrel rolling different now? It was talked about in a roundabout way but not directly. Is it just from the center of the base and straight across? I thought that was the case but looked like he adjusted the Y-Wing on the far side of it's barrel roll before it got blown to smithereens.
When doing the first part of the barrel roll, you must align the line on the side of the ship with the line down the middle of the template. When doing the second part, you have three choices - align the line on the side of the ship with the middle of the template, align the back of the ship with the back of the template, or align the front of the ship with the front of the template.
Basically, it is a much more rigid structure for executing the maneuver - rather than being able to put the template anywhere within the boundaries of the ship's side.
Thanks!
Guys the conversion kits contain all upgrades, Pilots, new stuff for every faction. It's cheap because u don't have to buy expansions to get singular upgrade cards anymore. It's your opinion if it expensive, i think its reasonable for all you get for every faction.
I don't see $50 value in these kits. Just seems like they are trying to make players re-buy all of their old material to get some new art and cards that use different words. I am done.
Are the templates the same size as in 1.0? The line down the middle makes them look a bit wider.
We will try and double-check this.
Team Covenant Thanks! It might just be a forced perspective kind of thing with the line being there, but I’d love to know if all of my acrylic templates are obsolete now.
As far as anything is confirmed right now, it does appear that the templates are the same size! The only difference being the line down the center.
I hope to god they are, I have two sets of your awakened templates and range rulers, I don't want to have to repurchase those on top of everything else.
How do you "pre-order" ANY of this?
What do you mean? We are taking pre-orders.
teamcovenant.com/product-category/star-wars-x-wing-ffg-miniatures-game
That Y-Wing move at the start .... Zack got hustled and didn't even know it. My wallet is going to hate 2.0 but this is a much much better game now. Speaking of wallet hate, when you guys going to make the new movement templates with the line down the middle, since I need to get new one of those too?
I mught hae missed it. Is there going to be an upgrade pack for all the ships we have with the 1st edition, or do I need to buy all new ships
theyre called "Conversion Kits" and they'll be about $50 ea...
Rebel Alliance Conversion Kit
3 - A-wing
2 - ARC-170
2 - Auzituck Gunship
2 - B-wing
2 - E-wing
2 - Ghost
2 - HWK-290
2 - K-wing
2 - Millennium Falcon
2 - Phantom I
2 - Phantom II
2 - Sabine’s TIE Fighter
2 - U-wing
2 - X-wing
2 - Y-wing
2 - YT-2400
4 - Z-95 Headhunter
Galactic Empire Conversion Kit
2 - Alpha-class Star Wing
3 - Inquisitor’s TIE
2 - Lambda-class Shuttle
2 - TIE Advanced
3 - TIE Aggressor
3 - TIE Bomber
2 - TIE Defender
4 - TIE Fighter
3 - TIE Interceptor
2 - TIE Phantom
2 - TIE Punisher
3 - TIE Striker
3 - VT-49 Decimator
Scum and Villainy Conversion Kit
2 - Hound’s Tooth
2 - HWK-290
2 - IG-2000
3 - Kihraxz Fighter
2 - Kimogila Fighter
4 - M3-A Interceptor
2 - Mist Hunter
3 - Protectorate Starfighter
2 - Punishing One
3 - Quadjumper
2 - Scurrg H-6 Bomber
2 - Shadow Caster
2 - Slave I
2 - StarViper
2 - Y-wing
4 - Z-95 Headhunter
Yes there is conversion kits
Isn't it great? If you ran 7 TIEs, you get to dish out around 140 bucks just to keep them flying (2 kits + the new starter set for the damage deck and templates)... but at least you have enough cards to run that 6 Decimators I'm sure you have in a single list... no... wait...
Sorry, whoever designed the contents of those boxes is a complete bastard. Shrewd financial thinking, but deserving a kick in the gonads nonetheless.
Oh.. I felt the pain when Stele got pwned.. 1:09:42
Play area is the same? 90x90cm (36x36)?
It appears to be the same!
Best part of the new direct hit: Effects which deal damage under shields can't one-shot any 2 hull ships anymore! Didn't have any myself... (pure scum player), but nice for the A/E-Wings and Tie A Prototypes of the world :P
I heard FFG was making 2.0 and was like "I'm out!" Then I saw it was backwards compatible and was like "Okay, I'm back in"
At $50 a faction- Keeps me OUT!
That Y-Wing barrel roll at 33 minutes ... I thought that the new barrel roll has to be aligned with the white stripe on ship and template? Was that a mistake?
It looks to us like he corrected it and ended up going stripe to stripe, it is a rough camera angle to be that precise though. Either way, you are correct. The new barrel roll rule is center stripe to center stripe.
After knowing a bit more now I think it was correct. The barrel roll HAS to be center stripe to center stripe when putting the tool next to the ship, but when placing the ship on the other side of the tool, you have more than 1 option. (stripe to stripe again, stripe to front of ship, stripe to back of ship if I got it right?)
I'm very surprised by the announcement, but feel that this is a good move and I REALLY like what I'm seeing so far. Granted, my wallet can't repel firepower of this magnitude so I know I'm in for at least a conversion kit for each faction, likely more. Worthy investment for a game I've been enjoying for years.
Query: Alex where did you get that jacket I must have one?
when Jek Porkins is your star pilot, you know you are in for a bad time !! :)
I’ll be so thankful when the squad builder app comes out so you don’t have components all over the place
It is exciting! We are looking forward to seeing how squad builder can be used in OP!
shawn hughes
*full* Learn to spell, dude!
App doesn’t replace any components, you still have to put all the upgrade cards and tokens on the table, you will be disappointed.
Your website no longer has X-Wing
How does rebel list get 200 points? When i build it in builder, i get 206. Anybody can explain that???
This was filmed prior to the official release, before points were finalized.
Anyone know about that playmat they're using? Awesome size and texture (not too much unnecessaryfuzz with stardust and planets and such)...
It is the official FFG Starfield!
Team Covenant Oh waw, didn't see it on their website but must've overlooked it ☺️ Thanks so much!!!
It is the special one they usually take to conventions - a big, sculpted thing. Incredibly fun to play on, but unfortunately not for sale.
Team Covenant Aaaaaaaaaaah! That explains a lot 👍🏼 The size seemed bigger than their regular playmats so yeah, the reason I couldn't find it 😏 Appreciated!
I have a fix for complaints of Upgrade pack cost. Give copies or coupons as store prizes. And perhaps give some away to winners of pilot/trivia test or best design idea Suggestions.
Have I got this right? Krennick 2.0, his ship must have a target lock to make optimised prototype bonuses? Then put him on reaper that has no target lock in 2.0 card?
Krennic adds the Target Lock action
only playing EU characters from now on. selling or giving away any Disney canon material.
oh legitimate question: When you play a 75 minute game at a tournament, does the time start before you set down obstacles, or do you start the timer when you first pick up your dials?
So no focus token passing at 1:36:34 , not even to Jek? Why's that? It's not Two Tubes brothers exclusive, right?
Am I right in thinking that the Reaper couldn't take a lock, so how do you use Krennick on it?
Daniel B look to the right on the upgrade cards. New actions for the ship granted by upgrades are shown there
Eric Green thanks, will do
Eric Green Ah yes I can see now, thanks